Thanks Anne, the mystery deepens then! There is some variability in his age but it seems centred around the dates you've looked at so I don't know what is happening! I think I mentioned earlier that his marriage certificate to Elizabeth Kay says it was a catholic church (St. Maries Chapel), though I assume this was because of her religion, there's no other catholic in my family as far as I have found. I suppose it's possible he was a catholic though? I still don't have any link to Brindle or Butterworth. I think I've found the parents of Mary Butterworth, who married George Brindle, her mother was Alice, which fits with the mother in law in the census records you found. Her father was Abraham. As far as I can find Mary was their only child, which blows my theory that James Hulme might have been her sister's son. I'm struggling with George Brindle, as there seem to be a few who would fit, so I can't hunt for sisters who became Hulmes. I'll keep on working at this. Thanks again for all the help you've been and the effort you are putting in to help me out. Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: 22 May 2006 12:06 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] James Hulme c. 1835 Hi Pete, First of all F.S. is Female Servant. I have been back to the library to carry on looking for the baptism of James Hulme at St. Peter's. I have now done all of 1834 and up to the end of January, 1837. There were no James' with a father James, born Halliwell, and there were no James' with a single mother, who would fit yours. I also looked at Deane Church records, as Halliwell was in the parish of Deane. There was a Mary Ann Hulme baptised on the 19.4.1835, the daughter of Joseph and Jane Hulme, Halliwell, weaver. I wonder if Joseph Hulme is related to the parent/parents of James? I have just looked at my Bolton Library handbook and they were doing baptisms at All Saints' Church, Little Bolton at the time your James was born, so I will have a look at these records the next time I go to town. When I looked at a fairly old Bolton A-Z there was only a Cross Street in Turton showing. I have now looked at a 1908 Ordnance Survey Map of Bolton North, which is not indexed, but I have managed to find Cross Street in Little Bolton. It crosses Hulme Street. My grandmother was born a Brindle. My Brindles originated in the Lostock area of Bolton, moving to Chorley, Preston, Halliwell and ending up in Farnworth. It is a pity the Brindle that James Hulme is living with in 1841 and 1851 is not related to me. I will get back to you when I have looked at the All Saints' records. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] James Hulme c. 1835 > Hi Anne, I've been looking at the James Hulme information you gave me, and > I've looked it up in the 1851 census (I don't have an 1841). I still don't > really know what to think about this. > > Firstly Cross Street really is Little Bolton and not Turton, it runs (or > ran) off Kay Street, parallel to Turton Street and so is a more reasonable > fit with James' birth in Halliwell. The age bothers me, as it's a bit too > old, but of course his age does vary with the other records I have found. > This James is definitely a possible. > > I'm going to see if I can make any connection with the Butterworth or > Brindle names (mostly the former) as guess he MUST be connected to the > family he's living with. > > By the way, you had the letters F.S next to Alice Butterworth in 1841, > what does that mean? > > Cheers, Pete Hulme > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx