Dear Val, thanks for the info about Commission Street, yes this is my family but I am now at the stage of trying to get beyond William, as I said I can go back 5 ways, all the names are the same , and they all go back to a John Heap which states Middleton parish, which I have been told was Great Lever, also Ainsworth, and of course Middleton by Oldham, ( which is where my Alexander comes from ) my grandfather was called John Alexander.. regards, margaret Calderbank. ( Heap)