Hi, Hoping you all can help! I've been lurking on the group for quite a while, mainly because my McINNES line lived in Bolton between about 1890 and 1895 en route between Glasgow and Oldham. In the 1891 census they lived at 66 Union Road, Tongue with Haulgh, and my Gt Grandfather George McINNES was a brass foundry worker. I have a big brick wall in the shape of my Gt Grandmother Emily Ann SHEPHERD, who married George McINNES on 16 May 1892 at Bolton Register Office. I have the marriage cert, which shows her father as James SHEPHERD, and her age as 21 which gives a birth year of approx. 1871. In the 1891 census she is living at 4 Robert Street, Little Bolton with her mother Rosa SHEPHERD (status S = spinster? single?) and younger sister Gertrude. Her birthplace is given as Blackley, Northampton, as is Rosa's. (There is no Blackley in Northamptonshire, although there is a Brackley and a Blakesley) However, Gertrude was born Bolton, and in later census returns Emily's birthplace is given as Bolton. I can't find Emily in the 1881 census, or any marriage record of Rose SHEPHERD, or any clear link to a James SHEPHERD. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I go from here? (NB There is another Rose SHEPHERD who seems to have been born in Northants and later moved to Lancashire, but in later censuses she has the wrong children and husband, which all goes to make it the more confusing.) Sandie

Hi Sandie, I have found the following on the Free BMD's Emily Shepherd born March Qtr. 1872 Bolton Gertrude Shepherd born June Quarter 1880 Bolton. You could apply to the Register Office at Mere Hall, Bolton for the birth certificates and ask them to send them if the mother's name is shown as Rosa. This will probably explain who the father was. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RevSandie@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:45 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Emily Ann SHEPHERD > Hi, > > Hoping you all can help! > > I've been lurking on the group for quite a while, mainly because my > McINNES > line lived in Bolton between about 1890 and 1895 en route between Glasgow > and > Oldham. In the 1891 census they lived at 66 Union Road, Tongue with > Haulgh, > and my Gt Grandfather George McINNES was a brass foundry worker. > > I have a big brick wall in the shape of my Gt Grandmother Emily Ann > SHEPHERD, who married George McINNES on 16 May 1892 at Bolton Register > Office. I > have the marriage cert, which shows her father as James SHEPHERD, and her > age as > 21 which gives a birth year of approx. 1871. In the 1891 census she is > living at 4 Robert Street, Little Bolton with her mother Rosa SHEPHERD > (status S > = spinster? single?) and younger sister Gertrude. Her birthplace is > given as > Blackley, Northampton, as is Rosa's. (There is no Blackley in > Northamptonshire, although there is a Brackley and a Blakesley) However, > Gertrude was born > Bolton, and in later census returns Emily's birthplace is given as > Bolton. > I can't find Emily in the 1881 census, or any marriage record of Rose > SHEPHERD, or any clear link to a James SHEPHERD. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I go from here? (NB There > is > another Rose SHEPHERD who seems to have been born in Northants and later > moved > to Lancashire, but in later censuses she has the wrong children and > husband, > which all goes to make it the more confusing.) > > Sandie > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/348 - Release Date: 25/05/2006 > >

Hi Sandie, I have been looking for Rosa Shepherd on the Censuses and I think this is her on the 1861 Census. The place is Brackley, Northamptonshire. Malls? Lane, Parish of St. Jame,s Brackley Ann Shepherd head Wid. 35 Wid. Lace Maker Syresham, Northants Sarah d. Un. 17 Lace Maker Brackley, Northants Rosetta d. Un. 13 Brackley, Northants John White lodger Un. 48 Gen Lab. N.K. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RevSandie@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:45 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Emily Ann SHEPHERD > Hi, > > Hoping you all can help! > > I've been lurking on the group for quite a while, mainly because my > McINNES > line lived in Bolton between about 1890 and 1895 en route between Glasgow > and > Oldham. In the 1891 census they lived at 66 Union Road, Tongue with > Haulgh, > and my Gt Grandfather George McINNES was a brass foundry worker. > > I have a big brick wall in the shape of my Gt Grandmother Emily Ann > SHEPHERD, who married George McINNES on 16 May 1892 at Bolton Register > Office. I > have the marriage cert, which shows her father as James SHEPHERD, and her > age as > 21 which gives a birth year of approx. 1871. In the 1891 census she is > living at 4 Robert Street, Little Bolton with her mother Rosa SHEPHERD > (status S > = spinster? single?) and younger sister Gertrude. Her birthplace is > given as > Blackley, Northampton, as is Rosa's. (There is no Blackley in > Northamptonshire, although there is a Brackley and a Blakesley) However, > Gertrude was born > Bolton, and in later census returns Emily's birthplace is given as > Bolton. > I can't find Emily in the 1881 census, or any marriage record of Rose > SHEPHERD, or any clear link to a James SHEPHERD. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I go from here? (NB There > is > another Rose SHEPHERD who seems to have been born in Northants and later > moved > to Lancashire, but in later censuses she has the wrong children and > husband, > which all goes to make it the more confusing.) > > Sandie > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/348 - Release Date: 25/05/2006 > >

Hello Sandie I don't have much to add, just a query about some of your information. You said that in 1891 Emily Shepherd is in Bolton and her birthplace is given as Blackley, Northampton. Then you say that in later census returns Emily's birthplace is given as Bolton. The only later available census is 1901 by which time she is Emily McInnes married to George. Is she not with her family in Oldham at that time as follows (I don't have access to Ancestry, so the following people are on the same census page, but admittedly not necessarily the same family)? George McI 29 b.Scotland Carter Emily McI 29 born Northampton Blackley Gertrude McI 10 bBolton Sarah McI 8 bBolton George 6 bOldham Emily 5 bOldham Agnes 3 bOldham This would fit with the couple being married in Bolton in 1892, possibly with their ages fudged up to 21. Anne mentioned a Gertrude born in Bolton 1880 - I'd guess she was the one born in Sharples with parents Joseph & Mary J. in the 1881 census, living in Manchester. Peter Wood

Hello Sandie These are the details of the McInnes family in 1901, which Peter found. 16 Pleasant Street, Oldham George McInnes head marr. 29 Carter Carrier Scotland Emily McInnes wife 29 Blackley, Northampton Gertrude McInnes dau. 10 Bolton Sarah McInnes dau. 8 Bolton George McInnes son 6 Oldham Emily McInnes dau. 5 Oldham Agnes McInnes d. 3 Oldham Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wood" <st.peter@paradise.net.nz> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Emily Ann SHEPHERD > Hello Sandie > > I don't have much to add, just a query about some of your information. You > said that in 1891 Emily Shepherd is in Bolton and her birthplace is given > as Blackley, Northampton. Then you say that in later census returns > Emily's > birthplace is given as Bolton. The only later available census is 1901 by > which time she is Emily McInnes married to George. > > Is she not with her family in Oldham at that time as follows (I don't have > access to Ancestry, so the following people are on the same census page, > but admittedly not necessarily the same family)? > George McI 29 b.Scotland Carter > Emily McI 29 born Northampton Blackley > Gertrude McI 10 bBolton > Sarah McI 8 bBolton > George 6 bOldham > Emily 5 bOldham > Agnes 3 bOldham > > This would fit with the couple being married in Bolton in 1892, possibly > with their ages fudged up to 21. > > Anne mentioned a Gertrude born in Bolton 1880 - I'd guess she was the one > born in Sharples with parents Joseph & Mary J. in the 1881 census, living > in Manchester. > > Peter Wood > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/348 - Release Date: 25/05/2006 > >