Hi, All, I have been searching all morning for the above. The only 'clues' I have are that James GARTHSIDE's children with Jane ISHERWOOD were Elizabeth/Betty (probably (?) after Jane's mother Elizabeth) and John. Elizabeth m. Arthur KAY in 1750 at St Peter's, Bolton and they had 12 children. No James (unless unrecorded on the IGI), a Jane after her mother (?), an Arthur after his father and him, no Elizabeth after her or Arthur's mother, but a John (after her brother?), a Thomas and a William. Seeing that Michael has told me that Jane ISHERWOOD's parents were Christopher and Elizabeth, m. abt 1681, BLM, is it reasonable to 'assume' that James GARTHSIDE's parents would have been m. around the same time ? From their son, John GARTHSIDE's 2 marriages between about 1753 and 1778 there were at least the ff. children: Thomas, Jane, James, John, William, Adam, Margaret, Nancy and Joseph. Maybe an Alice ? There are James GARTHSIDEs chr. 1698, St Mary, Oldham / Henry 1696, Rochdale /John 1705, St Mary, Oldham / John 1709, St Mary, Oldham / James. Trouble is that James GARTHSIDE was a Weaver of Turton and I have no idea whether the family would have come from there. Does anyone have any ideas as to where I should look ? Best wishes, Carolyn. Australia.