ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com writes: >I have already checked St Anne's Turton records from 1720 to 1727 and 1770 >to 1812 for Gar*ide (there is a gap in the records I have) Carolyn For the gap years, many of the events are within the Bolton PR. For many years (c1755-70) explicit Turton listings are given for bapt and bur; during this period the marriages would have had to be in the parish church During the period (from memory) 1730-55 (some?) Turton bapt and burials are appended to each month's Bolton listings. You get 1st - 31st listing followed by, typically, 2 or 3 events say 6th 13th 29th (again in order) and these sometimes say "at Turton" but usually don't but are often clearly Turton people. Many Isherwood constructions for Turton people have been completed successfully from the "appended" events. For 1730, it may be that the marriage actually took place at Turton. Of the 1730 Marriage of Jane I to James G, the only likely Jane I would appear to be bp 28 Aug 1709 (in Bolton PR) dau Christopher and Elizabeth I of Edgworth. Edgworth is next door to Quarlton/Turton. Have you noticed the 30 Nov 1774 marriage of Jane Garside to John Isherwood at Bolton? HTH Michael Isherwood

Hi, Michael, Thank you very much for your info. I find it hard to take in all the help listers are giving me ! I joined some Rootsweb lists in SCT for my mother's Ascendants and there was absolutely zilch forthcoming as to help !!! Other lists there were fantastic, though. How does one obtain the Bolton listings ? I live in Australia.(I recollect Valerie said she may be able to help in 3 weeks or so.) I agree that Jane ISHERWOOD's parents were Christopher and Elizabeth. Their children all seem to be "Submitted" Entries on the IGI. Christopher b. abt 1656 of Edgeworth, BLM and m. Elizabeth (no surname given) abt 1681. Possible children: - 1685 John - 1687 Thomas - 1693 Elizabeth - 1697 Abigail - 1709 Jane - 1711 Margaret................................all chr. BLM. Very 'gappy' ? Have you any idea of Elizabeth's surname? Could it also have been ISHERWOOD? Is Jane an ascendant of yours ? I had to obtain the services of a professional researcher about 10 years ago (at heaps cost!) to find out what I now know about my Dad's GARTHSIDE ascendants. He could only find one birth to James G. and Jane I. and that was John , chr 1734 and described as "of Quarlton, Farmer". He died in 1793, testate. He m. 1. Alice (no surname I can find) who d. abt 1764 (I have no burial record for her) and 2. Betty BROOKS of Turton who was buried at Turton, aged 70 in 1805. Then he found a marriage of a Betty G. to an Arthur KAY of Turton in 1750. I am stunned by all the wealth of info. I'm now obtaining. Yes, I do have the m. of Jane GARTHSIDE and John ISHERWOOD in 1774. He is described as "Weaver of Edgeworth". I can only find 2 children for them: Alice (1776) and William (1778), both chr. Turton. They were both very young when married. Jane G. was about 19 and I'm not sure about John, nor who his parents were. Kind regards, Carolyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael.C. Isherwood" <mci3@tutor.open.ac.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] GARTHIDE/GARTSIDE/GARSIDE ET AL.

Carolyn ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com writes: > >How does one obtain the Bolton listings ? The LDS may get them for you providing you live near one of their centres > > >I agree that Jane ISHERWOOD's parents were Christopher and Elizabeth. >Their children all seem to be "Submitted" Entries on the IGI. In which case I'm sure you'll treat with a pinch of salt > > >Christopher b. abt 1656 of Edgeworth, BLM and m. Elizabeth (no surname >given) abt 1681. > >Possible children: >- 1685 John >- 1687 Thomas >- 1693 Elizabeth >- 1697 Abigail >- 1709 Jane >- 1711 Margaret................................all chr. BLM. Very >'gappy' ? > >Have you any idea of Elizabeth's surname? Could it also have been >ISHERWOOD? There is no record in Bolton (or other) PRs that fits Christopher and Elizabeth. Elizabeth surname unknown, therefore. I would suspect the 1697-1709 gap indicates 2 sets of children/parents but no evidence for proposition! > > >Is Jane an ascendant of yours ? No > > >Yes, I do have the m. of Jane GARTHSIDE and John ISHERWOOD in 1774. He is >described as "Weaver of Edgeworth". I can only find 2 children for them: >Alice (1776) and William (1778), both chr. Turton. They were both very >young >when married. Jane G. was about 19 and I'm not sure about John, nor who >his >parents were. It'll probably be difficult to identify the John I bp and parents as so many Johns. I'll try and do some Christopher I tentative reconstructions from my data and see what falls out - I'll come back when I've done this - tiling the bathroom is calling :-) Michael