James: If you are talking about Elizabeth and George's siblings - I don't know them. I've eliminated Margaret & Henry Howarth for the parents of Betty. Talked to a lady from Mass. and she ruled that family out. George & Elizabeth Howarth's children were: George b. 1804 was a miner in England. George Howarth b. 1831 in England (my gr. grandfather) James Howarth b. 1832 England Jammia Howarth b. 1835 (haven't found a birth record yet) Kezia Howarth b. 1837 Chew Moor Henry Howarth b. 1841 England (too many Henry born that year) Kerenhappuch Howarth b. 1843 Westhoughton Also I've check the 1851 census and cannot find them. George Jr. answered a question in his civil war papers that said he came to the U.S. in June 1852. He could have been mistaken. I haven't able to find the ship or names on a list for the year of 1852. Thanks to everyone that has tried to help me. These Howarth's have been confusing enough in the U.S. let alone England. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)