Janice There is one obvious reason why you can't find George in the 1851 census. As a 20 years old male it is quite possible that he was in the army at that time. Unfortunately the British Army, if abroad, is not included in the census returns until 1911. The records of those people that took a pension from the army are available in either of two sets of records at the National Archives in Kew. Either WO96 or WO97. For the period that you are interested in these are stored by regiment and without it it is a longer hard slog through paper records. The good news is that the announcement by the LDS and FindMyPast last week means that both sets will eventually be online however it is a three year project. Regards John Hanson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 20 May 2008 19:58 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] HOWARTH Family James: If you are talking about Elizabeth and George's siblings - I don't know them. I've eliminated Margaret & Henry Howarth for the parents of Betty. Talked to a lady from Mass. and she ruled that family out. George & Elizabeth Howarth's children were: George b. 1804 was a miner in England. George Howarth b. 1831 in England (my gr. grandfather) James Howarth b. 1832 England Jammia Howarth b. 1835 (haven't found a birth record yet) Kezia Howarth b. 1837 Chew Moor Henry Howarth b. 1841 England (too many Henry born that year) Kerenhappuch Howarth b. 1843 Westhoughton Also I've check the 1851 census and cannot find them. George Jr. answered a question in his civil war papers that said he came to the U.S. in June 1852. He could have been mistaken. I haven't able to find the ship or names on a list for the year of 1852. Thanks to everyone that has tried to help me. These Howarth's have been confusing enough in the U.S. let alone England. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email