Hi Allan, I have just heard from a contact in Breightmet that the developers have withdrawn the planning application relating to the Old H&H and they will be re-submitting another one for just the housing behind it. Not sure what the fate of the pub is now - it has been vacant for some time and is in a bit of a state. Lets hope that the campaign to save it results in listed-building status or at the very least that someone is prepared to take it on and make a go of it. Stuart --------------------------------------- Stuart Phethean Hampshire, UK http://www.phethean.org.uk --------------------------------------- On 10/02/2011 12:27, "Allan Halstead" <allanhalstead@talktalk.net> wrote: > I have fond memories of "The Hare & Hounds". > > As a schoolboy I sometimes got off the Breightmet bus there, thereby > saving the odd penny or two which I immediately spent (and then some) up > the steps at the corner sweet shop just across the road. They must have > been magic sweets because by the time I had walked the extra mile or so > home they had all disappeared. > > Later on when I was "courting" I often missed the last Breightmet bus > home (I'm sure she made me do that on purpose just to excersise her > control over me). Sometimes I was lucky enough to be able to run round > from the terminus in Gt Moor St and catch the slightly later No. 9 > Ainsworth bus either on Bradshawgate or in Bridgeman Place. I would then > jump off that bus at the "The Hare & Hounds" as it turned the corner of > Bury Rd & Stephens St. I was always thankful to arrive there and to have > saved a mile and a half or so off my walk home - especially on a cold > and wet winter evening. > > I must say that, having seen the "The Hare & Hounds" in Google Street > View it looks far better there than the last time I saw it in the 1960s. > > Allan Halstead > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have fond memories of "The Hare & Hounds". As a schoolboy I sometimes got off the Breightmet bus there, thereby saving the odd penny or two which I immediately spent (and then some) up the steps at the corner sweet shop just across the road. They must have been magic sweets because by the time I had walked the extra mile or so home they had all disappeared. Later on when I was "courting" I often missed the last Breightmet bus home (I'm sure she made me do that on purpose just to excersise her control over me). Sometimes I was lucky enough to be able to run round from the terminus in Gt Moor St and catch the slightly later No. 9 Ainsworth bus either on Bradshawgate or in Bridgeman Place. I would then jump off that bus at the "The Hare & Hounds" as it turned the corner of Bury Rd & Stephens St. I was always thankful to arrive there and to have saved a mile and a half or so off my walk home - especially on a cold and wet winter evening. I must say that, having seen the "The Hare & Hounds" in Google Street View it looks far better there than the last time I saw it in the 1960s. Allan Halstead

The latest from Lancashire BMD - 7 February 2011 Added 6,148 Births for Bury RD comprising: Elton (1882-1884); Prestwich (1898-1900); Radcliffe (1872-1883) 2 February 2011 Added 29,943 Births for Bolton RD comprising: Eastern Bolton (1870-1877); Halliwell (1837-1876); Little Bolton (1854-1856); Lever (1837-1853); Little Hulton (1884-1890); Turton (1879-1894) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cumbria, Yorkshire and Cheshire BMD have also been updated. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hello Listers, Todays visit to the OPC website found a large selection of records have been added to their website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 8 February 2011 Marriages 1901 to 1904 from the church of St Laurence in the Parish of Chorley The completion of the Register of Marriages for 1880 to 1904 Marriages 1783 to 1806 from the Parish of Cockerham Banns 1772 to 1844 from the Parish of Eccleston Marriages 1710 to 1753 from the Parish of Formby Marriages 1933 to 1944 from the Church of St John in the Parish of Hindley Burials 1853 to 1873 from Holy Trinity Church, Horwich Baptisms 1739 to 1787 from the Church of St Thomas, Melling near Skelmersdale Marriages 1794 to 1812 from the Parish of Penwortham Marriages 1726 to 1752 from St John in the Town of Preston Marriages 1783 to 1792 from the Parish of Ribchester Burials 1813 to 1825 from the Parish of Ringley The beginning of the Register of Burials for 1813 to 1838 Baptisms 1851 to 1868 from the Parish of Skelmersdale Baptisms 1834 to 1861 and Marriages 1866 to 1900 from the Church of St Luke, Skerton in the City of Lancaster Burials 1828 to 1835 from St Mary in the Parish of Ulverston Marriages 1839 to 1848 from the Parish of Walton le Dale Regards, Sally

Hi Martin, And you have Egerton as a district of Bolton, Egerton Hall and Egerton Dye Works as well :-) The Egerton families owned Tatton Park in Cheshire and one later took the title of Viscount Salford. They were descended from the Duke of Bridgewater, so I guess they owned a lot of land and had considerable influence in Lancashire. This could be the reason for so many Egertons - Egerton village takes its name from the former landlord of the area, Sir Thomas Egerton.  It was developed in the 1830s when John and Edmund Ashworth (who resided in Egerton Hall) set up their cotton mills. They were the proprietors of ..... Egerton Mill(s). So yes, I guess there is a connection! If my Phethean mill history is similar, then the first mills were established round the periphery of central Bolton very early in the 19thC - and they then ran out of space as the machinery got bigger and demand went up. Probably they got the equivalent of Business Development grants to re-locate - and Moses Gate comprised just one mill surrounded by green fields in 1850. I have yet to find the exact location of John Phethean & Co's original mill in Bolton, but there is (to this day) a Phethean Street in Bolton between Bury Old Road and Bury New Road which appears (with no name) as early as the 1824 map of Bolton so the mill must have been located around there. There are plenty of likely candidates on the old OS maps but alas, no names once again. It must have been demolished or subsumed into another company's estate as there are no records in Williams and Farnie. By 1891 the mill had moved to Moses Gate and between 1893 and 1909 another Phethean Street had been constructed. Regards, Stuart --------------------------------------- Stuart Phethean Hampshire, UK http://www.phethean.org.uk --------------------------------------- On 08/02/2011 10:05, "Martin Briscoe" <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> wrote: > Why were there so many "Egerton Mill"? > > There is the one in Bolton, this one at Moses Gate and another at Salford. > Are they related? > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS / Gwynedd FHS >

Why were there so many "Egerton Mill"? There is the one in Bolton, this one at Moses Gate and another at Salford. Are they related? Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS / Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Phethean Sent: 08 February 2011 09:41 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Egerton Mill, Moses Gate Hi, Seeking someone with local historical knowledge of the cotton mills in Farnworth. Does anyone know the history of Egerton Mill at Moses Gate? I know that in

Hi, Seeking someone with local historical knowledge of the cotton mills in Farnworth. Does anyone know the history of Egerton Mill at Moses Gate? I know that in 1891 it was occupied by Philp & Thomas Bateman It seems to have been rebuilt on a slightly different site some time between 1893 and 1909 according to various Ordnance Survey maps, as by 1909, Phethean Street and Thorne Street now occupy the place on the earlier maps where most of the mill was depicted. I have some current anecdotal evidence that at some time after 1891 Egerton Mill became part of John Phethean & Co Ltd, who were of course the next mill in Cawdor Street at what became known as ³Cawdor Mill². I¹m having trouble proving this though. BTW, I have tried Williams & Farnie ³Cotton Mills in Greater Manchester² which is generally a good resource on these matters. Regards, Stuart --------------------------------------- Stuart Phethean Hampshire, UK http://www.phethean.org.uk ----------------------------------------

Thanks for that Stuart. I found it most interesting, and lets hope the Hare and Hounds gets a last minute reprieve. Chris (Worsley nr Bolton) -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-request@rootsweb.com To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 8:01 Subject: ENG-LAN-BOLTON Digest, Vol 6, Issue 27 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ To post to the list, send your message to ENG-LAN-BOLTON@RootsWeb.com. Be sure mail to the list is in plain text. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Plees use a subject line that is pertinent to your message and that you snip out any text not relevant to your post. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Today's Topics: 1. "Old Hare and Hounds Inn" Breightmet to be demolished? (Stuart Phethean) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:32:18 +0000 From: Stuart Phethean <genealogy07@phethean.co.uk> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] "Old Hare and Hounds Inn" Breightmet to be demolished? To: "ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com" <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C975CF12.4B8A%genealogy07@phethean.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I understand that there has been a planning application made to demolish the ?Old Hare and Hounds? pub in Breightmet, Bolton. Local residents have been campaigning to save it but it has been empty since 2008 so it does not seem to have much of a chance for survival. The ?Old H & H? has been a key focal point in Breightmet since the 1700s and two generations of my family were landlords from about 1770. It is strange in this day and age to see that the sale of spirits was of course expressly forbidden : ? Twelfth Day of September; in the Year of our Lord, one Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty six. We His Majesty?s Justices of the Peace for the said county acting in and for the said Division (whereof one is of the Quorum) do at this General Meeting, under our Hands and Seals, allow and licence Josiah Phethean at the Hare and Hounds, Brightmet, in the said Division or Hundred, and County, to keep a common Ale-house ..... ... to utter and sell Bread and other Victuals, Beer, Ale, and other excisable Liquors, by Retail; except Brandy, Rum, Arrack, Usquebaugh, Geneva, Aqua-Vitae, and all other Distill?d Spirituous Liquors, and Strong Waters, unmixed or mixed with themselves or any other Ingredients, and by whatsoever name or names they are or may be called. ? In addition to being an ?ale house? proprietor and licensed victualler , Josiah Phethean was also a papermaker; local magistrate/JP; Overseer of the Poor and and reputedly proprietor of the Toothill Bridge bleachworks - which is enterprising to say the least ! Some of these duties were also carried out by Josiah?s eldest son Joseph. Joseph succeeded, on the death of his mother, Alice Phethean (1806), as tenant of the Old Hare and Hounds: ?To the Worshipful the magistrates of Bolton.- We, whose names are hereunto subscribed, being respectable and substantial House Holders in the Township of Brightmet, in the County of Lancaster, do hereby certify unto his Majesty?s Justices of the Peace, acting in and for the Division of Bolton, in the said county, that Joseph Phethean, at the Hare and Hounds, in Brightmet aforesaid, is a person of good fame, sober life and conversation, and very fit to keep a Public House.- Brightmet, Sep. 12th, 1807.? This seemed to start a tradition of publicans in my family ? at The Old H & H; The Blue Boar in Deansgate; The Church Hotel, Crook St; The Boat House (Little Lever); The Fleece, Bradshawgate; The Boar?s Head, Churchgate (by marriage) and an unknown establishment in Ainsworth to name but a few. Sadly the tradition in my direct line of the family died out in 1907! If the ?Old H & H? does get demolished, as seems likely, it will be a sad day. From those early times Joseph and his brother John Phethean became involved in the counterpane weaving business. Subsequently the family became cotton millers and spinners first in Bolton and then later in the 19thC at Moses Gate, managing to keep John Phethean & Co Ltd running until 1932 against all odds. BTW - I have 29 Josiah Phethean and 37 Joseph Phethean names in my tree. A genealogical nightmare! 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I understand that there has been a planning application made to demolish the ³Old Hare and Hounds² pub in Breightmet, Bolton. Local residents have been campaigning to save it but it has been empty since 2008 so it does not seem to have much of a chance for survival. The ³Old H & H² has been a key focal point in Breightmet since the 1700s and two generations of my family were landlords from about 1770. It is strange in this day and age to see that the sale of spirits was of course expressly forbidden : ³ Twelfth Day of September; in the Year of our Lord, one Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty six. We His Majesty²s Justices of the Peace for the said county acting in and for the said Division (whereof one is of the Quorum) do at this General Meeting, under our Hands and Seals, allow and licence Josiah Phethean at the Hare and Hounds, Brightmet, in the said Division or Hundred, and County, to keep a common Ale-house ..... ... to utter and sell Bread and other Victuals, Beer, Ale, and other excisable Liquors, by Retail; except Brandy, Rum, Arrack, Usquebaugh, Geneva, Aqua-Vitae, and all other Distill²d Spirituous Liquors, and Strong Waters, unmixed or mixed with themselves or any other Ingredients, and by whatsoever name or names they are or may be called. ³ In addition to being an ³ale house² proprietor and licensed victualler , Josiah Phethean was also a papermaker; local magistrate/JP; Overseer of the Poor and and reputedly proprietor of the Toothill Bridge bleachworks - which is enterprising to say the least ! Some of these duties were also carried out by Josiah¹s eldest son Joseph. Joseph succeeded, on the death of his mother, Alice Phethean (1806), as tenant of the Old Hare and Hounds: ³To the Worshipful the magistrates of Bolton.- We, whose names are hereunto subscribed, being respectable and substantial House Holders in the Township of Brightmet, in the County of Lancaster, do hereby certify unto his Majesty¹s Justices of the Peace, acting in and for the Division of Bolton, in the said county, that Joseph Phethean, at the Hare and Hounds, in Brightmet aforesaid, is a person of good fame, sober life and conversation, and very fit to keep a Public House.- Brightmet, Sep. 12th, 1807.² This seemed to start a tradition of publicans in my family ­ at The Old H & H; The Blue Boar in Deansgate; The Church Hotel, Crook St; The Boat House (Little Lever); The Fleece, Bradshawgate; The Boar¹s Head, Churchgate (by marriage) and an unknown establishment in Ainsworth to name but a few. Sadly the tradition in my direct line of the family died out in 1907! If the ³Old H & H² does get demolished, as seems likely, it will be a sad day. From those early times Joseph and his brother John Phethean became involved in the counterpane weaving business. Subsequently the family became cotton millers and spinners first in Bolton and then later in the 19thC at Moses Gate, managing to keep John Phethean & Co Ltd running until 1932 against all odds. BTW - I have 29 Josiah Phethean and 37 Joseph Phethean names in my tree. A genealogical nightmare! Stuart --------------------------------------- Stuart Phethean Hampshire, UK http://www.phethean.org.uk ----------------------------------------

Hello Listers, I just visited the OPC website, and found they'd snuck in an update of databases since this morning! (God bless their cotton socks!) - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ 6 February 2011 Marriages 1886 to 1922 from Fletcher Street Methodist, Bolton Baptisms 1872 to 1895 from the Church of St Cuthbert in the Parish of Over Darwen Baptisms 1665 to 1694 and 1851 to 1861 and Marriages 1667 to 1694 from the Parish of Prescot Also included are events listed separately as having been performed in some of the chapelries to the mother church Regards, Sally

Nothing attached. :-( -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of djmflag Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 3:38 PM To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Fwd: Manchester Cathedral :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not being familiar with Manchester Cathedral would SKS help me out? I am looking about the marriage of John Collings and Anne Hampson Dec. 14, 1821. I think they were not of the area and I think it was less expensive to get married there than somewhere else. Did you have to be a member of the Cathedral to get married there, or could you come from somewhere else, and establish a residence of 6 weeks while the banns were read? In other words did you have to live in Mancheser 6 weeks before the wedding? John and Anne moved to Radcliffe but when he died or was buried Dec27th, 1835 at St. Thomas Church, Radclife age 35. In 1836 St Thomas sent settlement papers to Cheatham. Can someone explain this situation to me. Thank You Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon,Mi. DJMFLAG@aol.com

Hello all, More databases have been added to the OPC website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 3 February 2011 Marriages 1895 to 1900 from the Church of St James, Accrington Baptisms 1899 to 1905 and Marriages 1901 from St John the Baptist in the Parish of Atherton The Marriages complete the Register of Marriages for 1891 to 1901 Burials 1889 to 1900 from the Parish of Barrowford Banns 1893 to 1900 from the Church of St John, Blackpool Marriages 1900 to 1921 from Stamford Rd Wesleyan Methodist in the Parish of Mossley Baptisms 1903 to 1928 and 1937 to 1947 and Marriages 1910 to 1927 from St Matthew, Highfield, Pemberton Baptisms 1885 to 1895 from Emmanuel in the Town of Preston Baptisms 1824 to 1839 from Christ Church in the Town of Southport Marriages 1698 to 1743 from St Elphin in the Parish of Warrington Marriages 1733 to 1754 from St Oswald in the Parish of Winwick Regards, Sally

Hello all, Today's visit to the Lancashire OPC website found the following updates - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 2 February 2011 Baptisms 1844 to 1865 and Marriages 1742 to 1753 from the Church of St Thomas, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester Marriages 1754 to 1773 from the Church of St Mary Magdalene in the Parish of Clitheroe Marriages 1848 to 1853 from the Church of St Bartholomew, Colne Baptisms 1844 to 1846 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Marriages 1882 to 1893 from the Church of St George, in the district of Everton, Liverpool Baptisms 1813 to 1836 from the Church of St James, in the District of Gorton, Manchester Baptisms 1887 to 1891 from the Church of St Stephen, in the District of Hulme, Manchester Baptisms 1804 and Burials 1799 to 1801 from the Church of St Nicholas, Liverpool Marriages 1795 and Burials 1818 from the Collegiate Church, in the City of Manchester The Marriages for 1795 cover only the months January to April Marriages 1891 to 1898 from St Clement, Ordsall Marriages 1888 to 1934 from the Church of St Barnabas, Pendleton Baptisms 1860 to 1866 and Marriages 1888 to 1891 from the Church of St Bartholomew, Salford Burials 1841 to 1858 from the Church of St Helen, in the district of Sefton, Liverpool Baptisms 1869 to 1889 and 1894 to 1898 from the Stowell Memorial Church, Weaste (Here's hoping that the world's crazy weather system gives our overseas listers a break sometime soon. May your recoveries be swift). Regards, Sally

The latest from Lancashire BMD - 28 January 2011 Added 14,393 Births for Hyndburn RD comprising: Newchurch (1857-1872) Added 2,051 Births for Bury RD comprising: Elton (1884-1888); Radcliffe (1873-1874) Amended 6,733 Births for Blackburn RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Blackburn Southern (1886-1890) 31 January 2011 Added 18,467 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Oldham Below Town (1837-1860) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cumbria, Yorkshire and Cheshire BMD have also been updated. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

We have in the house the following invitation letter to attend funeral of Serina Minnie Hunter of 28 Church St, dated 27th March 1936. Also Memorial cards for MARY ANN CROSS DIED AUGUST 23RD 1911 AGED 65, BURIED HEATON CEMETERY.BOLTON. JAMES CHAMBERS AGED 54 DIED MAY 27TH 1901 BURIED ST JAMES CHURCH BREIGHTMET.BOLTON. Is there anyone out there that have these people in their trees? We are willing to pass these on to a family member who is interested in family tree,as there will be no one to take them when we have gone! Would hate to see them consigned to a skip! Jean.

Thank you to Val for your reply regarding the Bolton Iron Foundry of Rigby in the 1836 Directory, this is about the right date for the family I have in the Howarth family history. Kindest regards Pam Clarke

Morning all, Today's visit to the OPC website found the following databases have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 26 January 2011 Confirmations 1851 to 1900 from the Church of St James. Briercliffe Confirmations 1899 to 1901 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Habergham Eaves Baptisms 1841 to 1860 from Holy Trinity Church, Horwich Burials 1888 to 1916 from the Parish of Hurst Marriages 1828 to 1831, 1837 to 1837 and 1840 to 1843 from the Church of St Mary, Oldham Marriages 1885 to 1900 from the Church of St Paul, Oswaldtwistle Baptisms 1870 to 1893 from St Peter in the Town of Preston Burials 1822 to 1839 from Christ Church in the Town of Southport Regards, Sally

Tried the 1911census again He and his wife are visiting over in Harrogate, North Yorkshire. Census reference RG14PN25908 RG78PN1500 RD489 SD2 ED3 SN201 Derek Crompton London south-east Any information on CROMPTON, John(1863-?) born Farnworth, and family welcomed. Son of Sarah and William C. 1871census RG10.3965_090 page 46 1881census RG11.3815_082 page 03 1891census RG12.3094_038 page 69 living with his widowed mother. married SarahEllen DENT in Blackburn 1893 1901census RG13.3653_146 page 34 They had two children. HenryDent(1895-1916) killed in action Royal Flying Corp. LilianBickerston(1897- ) daughter of J C. mentioned in an 1930.05.03 Manchester Evening News as Mrs BRYERS. 1911census not found. both children at boarding schools in Wales. 1927 received the OBE for services to the Textile Industry.