Hi All: Seeking birth information of RICHARD CUNLIFFE, the son of JAMES CUNLIFFE and ANN. Richard was born in Bolton or Little Bolton. He married CATHERINE who was born about 1780, based on her age at death. She died 18 August 1828 in Charleston, South Carolina. Richard and Catherine had two daughters that we know of. Jane Matilda Cunliffe born about 1810 in Little Bolton and died 8 March 1877 in Charleston, South Carolina. The other daughter was mentioned without name in his obituary. Jane Matilda Cunliffe married James Thompson, middle name possible Ira. No date of marriage but their first child was born in Charleston, South Carolina about 1836. We assume they were married in Bolton, but that is speculation. I have searched the Lancashire website, but cannot locate without surnames or dates. Comments and suggestions appreciated, John L. Whitney

New data at Lancashire BMD: 11 August 2011 Added 2,836 Births for Bury RD comprising: Bury South (1884-1884); Radcliffe (1897-1900); Ramsbottom (1899-1900) Added 42,625 Births for Oldham RD comprising: Boundary Park A (1963-1970); Boundary Park B (1961-1970); Crompton & Royton (1961-1969); Middleton (1961-1970); Oldham First (1961-1967); Oldham Second (1961-1967); Oldham Third (1961-1967); Oldham A (1961-1970); Oldham B (1963-1970); Saddleworth (1961-1970) Amended 4,113 Births for Blackburn RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Blackburn Northern (1915-1919); Darwen (1918-1920) Added 15,690 Deaths for Burnley RD comprising: Colne (1936-1957); Barnoldswick (1954-1974); Colne and Padiham (1957-1968); Nelson (1954-1957) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne PS Have a wonderful holiday, Sally! Without your Lancashire Online Parish Clerks updates, the lists may be awfully quiet while you're away!

Hello everyone, The marvellous people of the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks have been busy again, and here are the latest set of databases to be added to the site: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 10 August 2011 Banns 1893 to 1900 from Christ Church in the Parish of Blackpool Burials 1813 to 1850 from the Church of St Clement, in the District of Chorlton-cum-Hardy, Manchester Baptisms 1823 to 1837 and Burials 1825 to 1837 from Wheatley Lane Methodist Chapel, Fence in Pendle Marriages 1879 to 1900 from Immanuel, in the district of Feniscowles, Blackburn Marriages 1754 to 1812 from the Parish of Formby Banns 1846 to 1900 and Burials 1813 to 1914 from the Parish of Hambleton Baptisms 1695 to 1711 and 1737 to 1753 from the Church of the Holy Trinity, Horwich Banns 1849 to 1880 from the Parish of Hurst Marriages 1711 to 1737 from the Church of St Andrew in the Parish of Leyland Baptisms 1792 and Burials 1809 from the Collegiate Church, in the City of Manchester Banns 1824 to 1861 and 1876 to 1901 from the Church of St Thomas, Melling near Skelmersdale Marriages 1835 to 1837 from the Parish of Penwortham A continuation of the Register of Marriages for 1827 to 1837 Baptisms 1899 to 1900 from the Church of St Oswald, Preesall in the Parish of Stalmine Burials 1876 to 1893 from the Parish of Skelmersdale Baptisms 1864 to 1887 from Church of St James in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally PS. I will be away for a couple of weeks as from Saturday, so remember to check the website regularly in my absence :O)

Thanks to our friends at Lancashire BMD, these have become available: 19 July 2011 Amended 9,250 Births for Blackburn RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Blackburn Northern (1915-1915); Blackburn South Eastern (1909-1913); Blackburn South Western (1909-1915) Added 6,586 Deaths for Blackburn RD comprising: Darwen (1951-1974) Added 11,000 Deaths for Burnley RD comprising: Colne (1908-1935) 22 July 2011 Added 2,577 Births for Trafford RD comprising: Stretford (1935-1938) Amended 2,576 Births for Blackburn RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Blackburn South Eastern (1913-1915); Darwen (1916-1918) 3 August 2011 Added 24,061 Births for Bolton RD comprising: Edgworth (1880-1887); Farnworth (1861-1868); Great Bolton (1887-1892); Horwich (1860-1870); Turton (1894-1896); Western Bolton (1840-1852); Westhoughton (1865-1871) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cheshire BMD has also been updated. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hi Linda That's my point it says a grandchild can be the informant although at 6 it seems unlikely. but I have been unable to find an alliterative person with the same name and I have been researching the family for over 25 years. keith On 10 August 2011 12:38, keith.hurst e-mail <keith.hurst@virgin.net> wrote: > h > > > On 10 August 2011 11:55, Linda Pauwels <linsfam@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > >> Is it possible the child was the only one with him when he died? He >> could have run to get help. I don't know the technicalities of English >> law but it's just a thought. >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >> Other people can learn from them! >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

h On 10 August 2011 11:55, Linda Pauwels <linsfam@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > Is it possible the child was the only one with him when he died? He > could have run to get help. I don't know the technicalities of English > law but it's just a thought. > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I wouldn't have thought so, but am not certain about that! I presume you've looked at the Death Certificates section of Barbara Dixon's Certificate Information website which I previously mentioned? http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm#COL9 Janet C. > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:13:39 +0100 > From: keith.hurst@virgin.net > To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Death certs > > The recent item on Birth certs which I found to be both interesting and > informative has prompted me to raise the following question which has > puzzled me for many years. > > I have a family member who died in1867the informant appears to be his 6 year > old grandson and after more than 20 years of researching I cannot find any > other explanation > Could a 6 year old the informant or is this not possible. > > > > Keith Hurst > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The recent item on Birth certs which I found to be both interesting and informative has prompted me to raise the following question which has puzzled me for many years. I have a family member who died in1867the informant appears to be his 6 year old grandson and after more than 20 years of researching I cannot find any other explanation Could a 6 year old the informant or is this not possible. Keith Hurst

Is it possible the child was the only one with him when he died? He could have run to get help. I don't know the technicalities of English law but it's just a thought.

There was the first Adoption Act in about 1922 which may be the explanation. Before that Act children were just accepted by the 'new' parent[s] without any legal interference or control. Graham On 09/08/2011 17:06, Ian wrote: > I recently received a copy of a birth certificate from the GRO for my ggf living in Bolton. Column 4 (father’s name) states “John Morris”, Column 5 (mother’s name) states “Esther Morris formerly Rollinson”. In the right-hand margin it states: > > “Col 4 for “Morris” read “Morris otherwise Ashton” and in col 5 for “Esther Morris formerly Rollinson” read “Esther Ann Morris otherwise Ashton formerly Rawlinson”. Corrected on the 16th January 1923 by me ... Superintendent Registrar on production of a statutory declaration made by John Morris Ashton and Esther Ann Morris Ashton”. > > This looks like some sort of name change but exactly what/how/why I have no idea. I find it especially puzzling because (as it states) this change was made in 1923 but the certificate is for a birth registered August 1895. I have never come across this name Ashton before and my gm and mother were always known as Morris. > > Can anyone suggest what is going on here and possibly how I can find more details? I would be especially interested to hear from anyone who may be related to these people. > > Many thanks > Ian > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure that I can offer a great deal of help, but it's always worth checking out this site:- http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm#COL10 for anything related to certificates. If you look under the 'Mother's Name' heading, some of it may be relevant. hth Janet C > From: ianbrooke@hotmail.com > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:06:00 -0600 > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Birth Certificate, MORRIS/ASHTON > > I recently received a copy of a birth certificate from the GRO for my ggf living in Bolton. Column 4 (father’s name) states “John Morris”, Column 5 (mother’s name) states “Esther Morris formerly Rollinson”. In the right-hand margin it states: > > “Col 4 for “Morris” read “Morris otherwise Ashton” and in col 5 for “Esther Morris formerly Rollinson” read “Esther Ann Morris otherwise Ashton formerly Rawlinson”. Corrected on the 16th January 1923 by me ... Superintendent Registrar on production of a statutory declaration made by John Morris Ashton and Esther Ann Morris Ashton”. > > This looks like some sort of name change but exactly what/how/why I have no idea. I find it especially puzzling because (as it states) this change was made in 1923 but the certificate is for a birth registered August 1895. I have never come across this name Ashton before and my gm and mother were always known as Morris. > > Can anyone suggest what is going on here and possibly how I can find more details? I would be especially interested to hear from anyone who may be related to these people. > > Many thanks > Ian > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know in your specific case what the reason might be but one possibility I found in my family was...... A child was born illegitimately to the mother and baptised under her name. A year later she married the father and from then on the child always used the father's name. Even though he always used the father's name from the age of one on, he married with his baptism name (his mother's maiden name) and had all the children christened with the baptism name. It took a long time to find the records as we only knew the name they went by, not the original baptism name. Some later used the baptism name as a middle name. Perhaps Morris was illegitimate and baptised as Ashton or the other way around.

I recently received a copy of a birth certificate from the GRO for my ggf living in Bolton. Column 4 (father’s name) states “John Morris”, Column 5 (mother’s name) states “Esther Morris formerly Rollinson”. In the right-hand margin it states: “Col 4 for “Morris” read “Morris otherwise Ashton” and in col 5 for “Esther Morris formerly Rollinson” read “Esther Ann Morris otherwise Ashton formerly Rawlinson”. Corrected on the 16th January 1923 by me ... Superintendent Registrar on production of a statutory declaration made by John Morris Ashton and Esther Ann Morris Ashton”. This looks like some sort of name change but exactly what/how/why I have no idea. I find it especially puzzling because (as it states) this change was made in 1923 but the certificate is for a birth registered August 1895. I have never come across this name Ashton before and my gm and mother were always known as Morris. Can anyone suggest what is going on here and possibly how I can find more details? I would be especially interested to hear from anyone who may be related to these people. Many thanks Ian

Morning all, Here are the latest databases to be added to the OPC website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 8 August 2011 Marriages 1874 to 1876 from the Church of St Michael-in-the-Hamlet, in the district of Aigburth, Liverpool Baptisms 1839 to 1869 from the Church of St James in the Parish of Clitheroe Baptisms 1653 to 1756, Banns 1763 to 1768, Marriages 11599 to 1791 and 1834 to 1837 and Burials 1599 to 1755 from the Church of St Bartholomew, Colne Burials 1703 to 1728 from the Parish of Croston Marriages 1889 to 1901 from the Church of St Ambrose (later with All Saints), in the district of Everton, Liverpool Marriages 1875 to 1892 from St David, Haigh Marriages 1599 to 1690 from the Church of St Mary in the Parish of Lancaster Burials 1790 to 1801 from the Church of St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool Baptisms 1838 to 1871 from the Church of St Mark, Witton in the Parish of Blackburn Regards, Sally

Donna A google enquiry is likely to answer questions like this:- http://bolton.enquira.co.uk/government-community/places-of-worship/st-michael-with-st-bartholomew-church-l2900.html Michael On 8 August 2011 06:46, djmflag <djmflag@aol.com> wrote: > I am looking for a couple buried in St. Michael's Church. Are those > churches above still active? If they are would someone have the e-mail > address so I might write them? > > Hopefully someone on the list has some information on this church that they > might send me. Thanks!!!! > > Donna Collinge Martens Muskegon, Michigan DJMFLAG@aol.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am looking for a couple buried in St. Michael's Church. Are those churches above still active? If they are would someone have the e-mail address so I might write them? Hopefully someone on the list has some information on this church that they might send me. Thanks!!!! Donna Collinge Martens Muskegon, Michigan DJMFLAG@aol.com

Morning all, Today's visit to the OPC site found lots more databases have been added in! http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 4 August 2011 Marriages 1892 to 1896 from the Church of St Michael-in-the-Hamlet, in the district of Aigburth, Liverpool Baptisms 1784 to 1821 from the Church of St Peter, in the District of Blackley, Manchester Baptisms 1844 to 1872 from Fletcher Street Methodist, Bolton Baptisms 1892 to 1926 and Marriages 1910 to 1920 from Deane Methodist, in the District of Deane, Bolton Marriages 1878 to 1900 from the Parish of Croston Baptisms 1876 to 1886 from the Church of St Ambrose (later with All Saints), in the district of Everton, Liverpool Burials 1831 to 1833 from Low Hill Cemetery, in the district of Everton, Liverpool Baptisms 1835 to 1841 from the Church of St George, in the District of Hulme, Manchester Burials 1826 to 1878 from Christ Church, Hunter St, Liverpool Baptisms 1906 to 1935 from Wesleyan Central Chapel, Liverpool Baptisms 1927 to 1939 from the Church of St Matthias, Liverpool Marriages 1754 to 1763 and Burials 1723 to 1756 and 1848 to 1860 from the Church of St Nicholas, Newchurch in Rossendale Marriages 1754 to 1763 and Burials 1723 to 1756, previously extracted from the Bishop's Transcripts These are replaced by the contents of the Parish Register and include entries missing from the BTs Baptisms 1901 to 1909 and Marriages 1923 to 1933 from St Mark, Newtown, Pemberton Baptisms 1806 to 1812 and Burials 1795 to 1806 from St John in the Town of Preston Marriages 1878 to 1904 from the Church of St Chrysostom, Rusholme, Manchester Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1786 to 1790 from the Church of St James, Toxteth, Liverpool Happy hunting :o) Regards, Sally

Someone in another list has put together a bit of an "Idiots' Guide" Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk Ok, I've put some instructions together, fairly straightforward... If you browse to http://www.khamai.co.uk/downloads/instructions.pdf You can download the pdf file detailing each step with screenshots etc All the best Nigel

May I just say "Thank You", Martin !!! If one takes one's time, there is a wealth of information there. Barb, Ontario, Canada.

Many thanks Martin, the following document is also extremely useful as it shows old maps from 1947 - 1959 for the whole country. F 30 Forestry Commission: Censuses of Woodlands: Microfilm of Maps<http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=scope%3df%2030&catid=32&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=*> Siix-inch Ordnance Survey County Series maps showing woodland which was assessed in the 1947-1949 and 1952-1959 surveys of private woodland undertaken by the Forestry Commission. Lancashire is 1947 - 1949 Best regards, Stuart