Hi, I was wondering if anyone can help me push down 2 walls? In Aug 1886 John Morris married Sophia Bulmer in Bolton but I cannot get any further back than this. Their marriage certificate shows John’s father as William Morris, a painter, and I believe his mother’s name was Nancy (from census) but I don’t know her maiden name. There were way too many Morris’s around for me to locate the right one. The certificate gives no information on Sophia’s father and I so far have been unable to locate her on any census prior to 1891 when she was married to John. Any information on either family would be most welcome. Thanks Ian

I would invite my gt gt gt grandfather Joseph NUTTALL who fought in the Peninsular Wars 1808-14. I would ask him who the other Joseph NUTTALL was in the same 6th Foot Regiment at the same time! His first child Ellen was born in France so when did his wife join him and for how long. Did he travel with his regiment to Niagara to fight the Americans after being wounded in The Pyrenees or did he stay in France through injuries. Finally I would ask him why he was listed as a widower in 1851 when his wife Jane was in Boltron with their son Joseph! Question questions..... Chris in snowy Lancashire.

I would invite my g.uncle, Samuel Ashworth, whose place and manner of death has long been a mystery. Rumour has it that he died somewhere in Ireland in 1883, as a result of a pub brawl over someone's pet dog. I do recall my father telling me that he had an uncle who was stabbed to death in 1922 by a member of the IRA as he was boarding the ferry at Holyhead with the Black and Tans. I have never been able to find anything to corroborate this story, nor any uncle who would have been of the right age, and wonder if these two tales have become garbled over time. I would ask him how he came to be teaching in Ireland (as the story goes), when according to the 1881 census he was a cotton piecer in Bolton! I suppose tripe and Lancashire hotpot would be an appropriate dish! Valerie > Lynne > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'd invite SARAH ANN BARROW (b. 1869 Longcauseway, Farnworth; d. 1901 Bentinck Street, Moses Gate) my great grandmother. Was my great grandad really James Mitchell? Why did you not get married to him when you were both young and single? Was he the father of your other two children as well? Are there any photos of you anywhere? Those... and a thousand other questions which keep me going in family history. Paul Barrow -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe Sent: 14 December 2011 14:23 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] December holiday theme - Humphrey BRISCOE or Peter BRISCOE It would be between Humphrey BRISCOE and Peter BRISCOE Just about all that I know of Humphrey is from the Marriage record and is that he married Alice TAYLOR in Bolton in 1773 and was a weaver in Tong. I have no idea where he came from though I think he was from Bolton. I would love to know more about him as my earliest ancestor. Alternatively, Peter BRISCOE was my Great Great Grandfather. He was born in Bolton and married Mary DALEY in 1829. He "cut his own throat in a temporary fit of insanity" in 1848 but I have no idea why. He had eleven children including one newly born that year. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would invite my husband's great-grandfather Hugh Duffy McBURNIE and his "de-facto" wife Mary Jane REA (no marriage ever found) to ask him about a few of the stories that have been passed down through the generations. Were they ever married? Did he really flee from Ireland to Liverpool in the 1870's and change his name to escape capture? His "wife" Mary Jane was in Walton Jail, Liverpool, in 1881 with their two-month old son Charles - just what crime had she committed? And what made them move to Halliwell from Liverpool? Merry Christmas Marian Canberra

It would be between Humphrey BRISCOE and Peter BRISCOE Just about all that I know of Humphrey is from the Marriage record and is that he married Alice TAYLOR in Bolton in 1773 and was a weaver in Tong. I have no idea where he came from though I think he was from Bolton. I would love to know more about him as my earliest ancestor. Alternatively, Peter BRISCOE was my Great Great Grandfather. He was born in Bolton and married Mary DALEY in 1829. He "cut his own throat in a temporary fit of insanity" in 1848 but I have no idea why. He had eleven children including one newly born that year. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk

It is good of you to join us Robert as there are many questions I would like to ask you. The only definate thing I know abour you, was your marriage to Jane WYLDE in St Peters Bolton on the12th Sep 1824 and the fact that a daughter Ann was baptised in the same church on the26th Mar 1826. My ggrandfather John WALLWORK always maintained that he was born in Bolton in 1820 and you are the father. Is this correct or did Jane have a child by another party. I suspect, well its the only relevant baptism that I can find that John's baptism is at St Saviors Ringley on the 19th Nov 1820 with mother Jenny WILDE and no father given. Jenny's residence was stated as Outwood which I know is near Bolton. If you are the father why did you wait four years to marry Jane? If John is not your child do you know who the father was? When and where were you born and who were your parents? Jane remarried in 1834 in Manchester so you must have died before then- I cannot find your death so perhaps you can tell me what happened? John followed your occupation and eventually became a journeyman papermaker, living most of his life at various mills in Derbyshire. His first marriage was childless and he remarried after his wife's death. The second marriage had three children. Jane remarried after your death a Matthew RYON at Manchester cathedral on the 6th Apr 1834. They had three children. Matthew was also a papermaker so were you friends before your death. I cannot tell you what happened to Ann, the 1841 Census has a probable listing for her living on her own in Harperney near Manchester. Matthew and Jane lived there for a while before moving to Derbyshire Christmas wishes to you all Keith in Oz

Henry HARGREAVES born ca 1800 Bolton father John Who was your mum? Why did you put your family onto the path of crime, taking your wife Jane (CROMPTON) and sons John, Howarth and Holden with you to Van Dieman's Land in 1848? Luckily Howarth went onto the straight and narrow and produced some fine children, grandchildren, g/grandchildren (my husband). Come to Christmas dinner in Brisbane Australia where the temperature is likely to be about 30° c. We will have seafood, salads, champagne and beer!! You won't need to rob the drapery store here, you will only need your shorts and thongs (of the feet variety) >From your g grand daughter-in-law On 14/12/2011, at 8:18 AM, Lynne wrote: > Whoops! Forgot to say, be sure to put your ancestor's surname in all caps in the subject line. > > Thanks! > > Lynne > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Whoops! Forgot to say, be sure to put your ancestor's surname in all caps > in the subject line. Hi Lynne. I would invite my GreatGreatGreatGrandfather Daniel BENTLEY who I have been chasing for years. I have him from birth up until his death and on every census in between that period except for the 1881 I would ask him where he had been for that particular census and why.. For the menu I would serve him a typical Aussie theme making sure that one of the courses would be "shrimps on the barbie" Perle Brooking. Younghusband South AUstralia.

My great-grandfather William PHETHEAN 1853-1907. His body was found on second August 1907 in the Leeds and Liverpool Canal at Rufford, Lancs. Cause of Death: ³Found drowned but jury had not sufficient evidence to show how he came to be in the water². Certificate received from Harold Parker, Deputy Coroner for Lancashire. Inquest held 3 August 1907. He was at some time, cotton mill manager (John Phethean & Co, Moses Gate), and later publican/manager of the Church Hotel in Bolton - but his probate document states he was an "insurance agent". What events befell him and what caused him to die in such tragic circumstances miles away from home? I have a family photo taken in about 1887 and it looks like a typical Victorian middle class family. What can he tell me about the cotton industry - the good times and the hard times - and what were the economic or personal circumstances that influenced his life in such a dramatic way? This was a well-kept family secret - the event that was never mentioned by my father or by my grandfather - I only discovered the facts when I came across a copy of the Probate certificate last year. Stuart On 13/12/2011 22:10, "Lynne" <lklein@mindspring.com> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > The theme: > > Your holiday plans are in place but there is one place left to fill at your > table and you would like to invite a Lancashire ancestor to join in the fun. > Who would you invite and what question would you ask him or her? > > Be sure to add your ancestor's surname in all caps in your subject line.

For reasons which you will understand when reading post no surname has been given. I would invite LILY ***** Who is my father?, I bear no malice to you, but the rest of the family have shunned me for something I had no say in. It is not knowing of any health related info that has caused me problems, along with losing one part of my heritage. I think I can understand what went on in your life, & in a way dont blame you ! You gave me life, you left me far too early through death, but I still LOVE YOU. Jean.

Hello everyone, Here are the latest set of records to be added to the OPC website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 13 December 2011 Baptisms 1845 to 1894 from the Church of St Michael, in the District of Flixton, Manchester Baptisms 1765 to 1851 from the Parish of Milnrow Regards, Sally

Would anyone know anything about Edmund Collinge? He was buried at St. Michael's and St. Bartholomew's Church of Great Lever, next to five of my Collinge relatives. My Collinge's relative's grave has fallen over and I wanted to have it put back, but no one could help me when I was over there The graves are right in front of the church. I thought Edmund might be a relation and I might be able to find something off his gravestone. Thanks for your consideration Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Mi. DJMFLAG@aol.com

ELIZA GENT MAYOR, my great grandmother born 1865 in Chorley and died 1924 in Bolton. She was one of 12 children who had 4 children of her own. She & her husband ran the Millstone Pub in Anderton until he died at age 51, and she had to give up the pub which she had run for years while her husband raised and showed his Millstone dogs. She then had a shop on John Taylor Street in Bolton until her death. Question I would ask: Did the death of your 2 yr old daughter have anything to do with your moving from Aspull to Anderton? Was it really because you were a woman that they wouldn't renew your liquor license to run the pub after the death of your husband even though you'd been doing it for years? Was it a difficult adjustment going from the pub to running a shop in Bolton.

Whoops! Forgot to say, be sure to put your ancestor's surname in all caps in the subject line. Thanks! Lynne

Dear Listers, Over on the Liverpool list we're doing a holiday theme. Perhaps you'd like to do it here? Your holiday plans are in place but there is one place left to fill at your table and you would like to invite a Bolton ancestor to join in the fun. Who would you invite and what question would you ask him or her? I look forward to reading your posts! Kind regards, Lynne list admin.

Morning all, Santa's Transcription Elves are still very busy :o) Here are the latest records that I found on this morning's visit to the website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 8 December 2011 Marriages 1804 to 1812 and Burials 1825 to 1835 from the Church of St James, Accrington Baptisms 1788 to 1793 from the Parish of Altham Marriages 1906 to 1918 from the Parish of Astley Marriages 1921 to 1934 from the Church of St Stephen in the Parish of Burnley Burials 1809 to 1812 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Bury Burials 1810 to 1812 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Baptisms 1836 to 1890 from Immanuel, in the district of Feniscowles, Blackburn Burials 1737 to 1808 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Goosnargh Burials 1952 to 1966 from the Church of St Michael, Great Lever Marriages 1928 to 1936 and Burials 1881 to 1902 from St David, Haigh Baptisms 1834 to 1844 from the Church of St James, Haslingden in Rossendale Baptisms 1794 to 1812 from the Parish of Longridge Burials 1907 to 1911 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Pendlebury Burials 1872 to 1903 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Prestwich Marriages 1831 to 1849 and Burials 1850 to 1880 from the Church of St Mary, in the Parish of Radcliffe Burials 1831 to 1897 from Christ Church, Salford Banns 1872 to 1889 from the Church of New St George in the Parish of Stalybridge Burials 1813 to 1865 from the Church of Old St George in the Parish of Stalybridge Marriages 1880 to 1900 from the Parish of Standish Burials 1767 to 1790 from the Church of St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool Marriages 1881 to 1900 from the Church of St Philip, Witton in the Parish of Blackburn Seasonal regards, Sally

Hi all, This is just to let you know that the 1911 census for England, Wales, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands is now available on Ancestry.com. Be warned though, as the site is being a bit flaky - maybe an increase in traffic to the search pages :o) Seasonal regards, Sally

Well now, I knew there was a reason I always liked Twiggy!!! Joyce On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:01 AM, eng-lan-bolton-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > To post to the list, send your message to ENG-LAN-BOLTON@RootsWeb.com. Be sure mail to the list is in plain text. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Plees use a subject line that is pertinent to your message and that you snip out any text not relevant to your post. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Twiggy is half Boltonian (Martin Briscoe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:24:27 -0000 > From: "Martin Briscoe" <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Twiggy is half Boltonian > To: <eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006401ccb36a$5c33b6a0$149b23e0$@me.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Just listening to radio 2, never realised before that Twiggy's father (William Norman Hornby) was from Bolton, so she has some good Bolton blood in her veins! > > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > martin@mbriscoe.me.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-LAN-BOLTON list administrator, send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-LAN-BOLTON mailing list, send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-LAN-BOLTON Digest, Vol 6, Issue 187 > **********************************************

Just listening to radio 2, never realised before that Twiggy's father (William Norman Hornby) was from Bolton, so she has some good Bolton blood in her veins! Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk