Hi Anne, 'Twas ever thus. It'll be interesting to see if Ancestry adds to those on your list or omits any from it. We don't know yet how well indexed it is. I can say that at first sight the scans are better quality than those on the S&N Cds, as they are for the later censuses. Best wishes, Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > Hi Bob, > I don't believe it. I have just through all the 1841 Census in Bolton > looking for a surname for someone on the list, from the references I got > at the library today. > Anne in Bolton.

Hi Bob, I don't believe it. I have just through all the 1841 Census in Bolton looking for a surname for someone on the list, from the references I got at the library today. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Thornley" <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1841 Now on Ancestry > Hi, > The 1841 Census is now available on Ancestry.com > > It's not on the main list where you might expect to find it (yet), it's > under 'recent' databases. > > Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hi, The 1841 Census is now available on Ancestry.com It's not on the main list where you might expect to find it (yet), it's under 'recent' databases. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton

Hiya Bob, Try: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-LIVERPOOL.html OR even: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MERSEYSIDE.html Hope these help, Lainee At 06:09 PM 4/20/2006, you wrote: >Hi >I have a query for the Liverpool area. As I am in Australia I am >not familiar with what areas are covered by what "LAN" lists in >Rootsweb, could sks point me in the right direction and tell me the >correct list to subscribe. >Regards >Bob

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!!! IT IS THEM FOR SURE. You had given me the info: re Michael. Now we know that he is the Michael Thomas that was married to Margaret Berry. It fits together! I wonder why Thomas (1855) didn't name his father on his marriage certificate? Thank you for all your work! I now have SEVERAL more relatives to look for from this new extended family! Let me know what you can find out about the marriage of Thomas and Amelia 1910. Keep in touch! Thank you!!!! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] THOMAS HART - EUREKA > Hi Sue, > > I have just gone through all the Harts in Bolton in 1841 and have just got > the message from Bob that the 1841 Census is on Ancestry. > > I have found your Harts in Yorkshire. > > Princes Street, Thoraby. Registration District Stockton > > Thomas Hart 50 Blacksmith Not born in County. None of the family are born > in the county > Margaret Hart 45 > Michael 15 Blacksmiths App. > Monica 4 > William Robinson 20 Hammerman to Blacksmith > Mary Robinson 20 > Sarah Robinson 15 > Robert Robinson 10 > Margaret Robinson 9 > > Are Michael and your Thomas the same person? > > Kind regards, > > Anne in Bolton. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

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Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan The 1911 Census will not be available in this country until 2011 Tony Anthony Anderson (BA Hons) Manchester, Lancashire, England ~~~~~~~ Jan The olny obit I could find for Thomas Manley Hesketh is the following England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record (javascript:showPop('infoPopup')) about Thomas Manley Hesketh Name: Thomas Manley Manley Birth Date: abt abt Year of Registration: 1898 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 85 District: Bolton County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: _292_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=freebmddeath&ti=0&f6=292&f7=1898&f8=Jan-Feb-Mar&f5=8c) ~~~~~~~~~ Tony Anthony Anderson (BA Hons) Manchester, Lancashire, England

Hi I am looking for a first cousin once removed ALICE JACKSON. She was born in 1896 in Bolton, but I looked on the freebmd list and there are 5 ALICE JACKSON'S listed on there in 1896. She is on the 1901 census with her family John JACKSON and Ellen (nee COLLINGE) JACKSONand a younger brother, Randall.. Her age was 4 in the census, but then I don't know when the census was taken. I am wondering if the family was listed in the 1911 census. Alice would be my first cousin once removed, and I am told she lived an interesting life, so I would like to follow up on her. Hopefully, someone will be able to help me out. Maybe someone knows of a marriage, etc. I think she might have married late, as I think she had a college education. Thanks Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan

Please could someone tell me where I could find an obituary for a Thomas Manley Hesketh who died in Bolton Jan-March 1898 aged 85.He was a Cotton Spinner and Grocer according to the Census so hopefully there might be an obituary for him. Does anybody know anything more about this family ? I think that my Great Great Grandmother Jane Hesketh ,who married a William Higson,was his sister Their parents were Thomas Hesketh and Betty Manley. This information has come from the BMD Index and the IGI so hasn't been checked. Thanks for any help. Jan

Hi Peter, It could be the surname of the mother - Yates for instance. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wood" <st.peter@paradise.net.nz> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Sam GRIFFITHS coal mining death >I am hoping to find the full name of Samuel Clarence Y. Griffiths, born > 1900 in Bolton and killed in Chanters Colliery, Atherton on 13 Sep 1919. > What does Y. stand for? > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/316 - Release Date: 17/04/2006

Starting to delve into my wife's family history and have come up against a name that doesn't seem too common at first glance. My mother-in-law's father, Louis Ashton, married a Mary VANSTON b1903. She had a brother called Gilbert and their parents were Robert George VANSTON b1876 and Margaret Alice (surname unknown). Just wondering whether there is anyone else reseraching the VANSTON surname and who might have some useful links. Kind regards... David Allan.

I am hoping to find the full name of Samuel Clarence Y. Griffiths, born 1900 in Bolton and killed in Chanters Colliery, Atherton on 13 Sep 1919. What does Y. stand for? In 1900 he (as Saml. C.Y.) is at 47 Wightman Road, Bolton, and the head is his widowed mother Martha aged 37, along with 4 much older siblings. I was wondering if the Y was a Welsh name because Martha's husband Benjamin was Welsh (from 1891 census where they are at Over Hulton). Peter Woo

Leisha, > Does anyone know if Bolton has any inclinations of updating their processing > to allow for overseas payment? Tameside has a wonderful online service and > I was wondering if we might hope for the same at some future point for > Bolton. After speaking with one of the Superindendent Registrars at Mere Hall I can say that they will accept debit cards but not credit cards. The SR is keen to move with the times but the Finance Department in Bolton MBC have come up with a problem concerning credit cards which he hopes they will resolve in the near future. Until then it's debit cards only. Cheers, Bob

Hi I too am reasearching Walsh's, my elusive Walsh was born approx 1820 called Roger, his son was called James. I have never been able to locate a birth cert for James in either Bury or Bolton and have only ever found Roger on the 1851 census in Halliwell but I am not sure that this is mine. Just out of curiosity have you come across any Roger's either Walsh or Walch as my James has appeared on census' as both. Leanne ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

Linda Maybe Richard Walsh was dead before the 1861 census? There is a GRO Index for Richard Walsh March Q 1861 Bolton 8c p265. There is an Ellen Walsh, married, aged 30, born Westhoughton, boarding with a Partington family in Wellington St., Farnworth in 1861. Could be her? Boarders and lodgers are notorious for having dodgy details recorded. Rumworth/Westhoughton are much of a muchness and I've seen a few incorrect Married/Unmarried in censuses. Peter Wood

Thanks Peter I did look at the BMD but only 1970s onward because the 1871 census did said Ellen was married. You are right though and it does seem the most likely answer. I will send off for the death cert and see if it is a match. If it does match then the Ellen lodging in Farnworth nearer her children also makes sense. Kind regards Linda Hindley -------Original Message------- From: Peter Wood Date: 04/15/06 23:33:59 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Richard Walsh & Ellen Bullough Linda Maybe Richard Walsh was dead before the 1861 census? There is a GRO Index for Richard Walsh March Q 1861 Bolton 8c p265. There is an Ellen Walsh, married, aged 30, born Westhoughton, boarding with a Partington family in Wellington St., Farnworth in 1861. Could be her? Boarders and lodgers are notorious for having dodgy details recorded. Rumworth/Westhoughton are much of a muchness and I've seen a few incorrect Married/Unmarried in censuses. Peter Wood ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Thanks Anne. I appreciate it - at least I know i have not missed it. I did think about prison but from what you say if someone is in prison they would still appear on the census. I will try and check out the Scotland idea. It maybe the answer to where they both were in 1861 but 1871 is very strange with Ellen still married but living with her parents in Lostock and her children with her missing husband's parents in Farnworth. Like you say another mystery' -------Original Message------- From: pneanne Date: 04/15/06 23:17:06 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Richard Walsh & Ellen Bullough Hi Linda, I have had a good look for Richard and Ellen in 1861, but I have been unable to find them. I recently did some research for someone, and the woman and her children were living with her parents on two censuses, but I found the husband in prison. If Richard was in prison in England, he would have shown up somewhere. This does not explain where Ellen was. As I have been unable to find them in England and Wales in 1861, I wonder if they were in Scotland, for some reason. This is another mystery. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hindley" <linda.hindley7@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Richard Walsh & Ellen Bullough > > Sorry about my first email. I am not totally sure what caused it to > corrupt > but it may have been the plain text format. I'll try again and keep my > fingers crossed > > I wonder if anyone can help or make any suggestions as to how I can solve > one of my brick walls? Details as follows > Richard Walsh and Ellen Bullough are my 2 x gt grand parents. > Richard was born about 1832 and was with his parents [William Mary] in > Lostock on the 1851 census, though their surname was spelt WALCH. > Ellen was with her parents [Peter and Betty] in Rumworth in 1851. > Richard and Ellen married on 2 Jan 1854 at Deane Parish Church and this > time > their name is spelt WELCH. > I have a copy of their son / my gt grandfather Peter's birth certificate. > He was born on 5/9/1856 in Chew Moor, Rumworth and on his birth the name > in > now WALSH. > > It is after this that it all goes wrong. I cannot find Richard or Ellen on > the 1861 with any of the spelling variations. Their children William, > Peter > and Mary are staying with their grand parents William and Mary -now WALSH > who have now moved from Lostock to Brackley St Farnworth. > > In 1871 the 3 children are still living with their grand parents in > Brackley St, Farnworth and I can still find no trace of Richard. I have > however found Ellen who is back living with her parents in Chew Moor > Lostock > and is shown as Ellen WALSH and is married > > In 1881 again I can find no trace of Richard but Ellen Walsh is now living > in Rumworth on Bella St and is shown as widowed. She is the head of the > house and has a couple of people boarding with her.Their son / my Gt > grandfather Peter has now married and is living with his wife Mary Louise, > my gt grandmother, on Morris Green Lane. I cannot find a reasonable match > for the other 2 siblings William and Mary on any of the 1881 and later > census and will still keep looking. > > However it is the fact that I can't find either Richard or Ellen on the > 1861 > and only Ellen on the1871 and on both census all their children are with > their grandparents that seems very strange. It's as though the children > were > brought up by the grandparents as I have never found anything to show them > living with the parents > I wonder where Richard and Ellen were? > I have found Ellen on the 1891 and the1901 census where again she has > boarders living with her. I have never found Richard on a census other > that > the 1851 with his parents. Has anyone any ideas on the best areas for me > to > research that would help fill the gaps. > > Kind regards > Linda Hindley > > researching Walsh, Roscoe, Lobb, Bullough, Ramwell Whitworth, Heywood, > Smith, Bolton,Vose , Raby, Ormrod, Makinson and Calderley > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi Linda, I have had a good look for Richard and Ellen in 1861, but I have been unable to find them. I recently did some research for someone, and the woman and her children were living with her parents on two censuses, but I found the husband in prison. If Richard was in prison in England, he would have shown up somewhere. This does not explain where Ellen was. As I have been unable to find them in England and Wales in 1861, I wonder if they were in Scotland, for some reason. This is another mystery. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hindley" <linda.hindley7@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Richard Walsh & Ellen Bullough > > Sorry about my first email. I am not totally sure what caused it to > corrupt > but it may have been the plain text format. I'll try again and keep my > fingers crossed > > I wonder if anyone can help or make any suggestions as to how I can solve > one of my brick walls? Details as follows > Richard Walsh and Ellen Bullough are my 2 x gt grand parents. > Richard was born about 1832 and was with his parents [William Mary] in > Lostock on the 1851 census, though their surname was spelt WALCH. > Ellen was with her parents [Peter and Betty] in Rumworth in 1851. > Richard and Ellen married on 2 Jan 1854 at Deane Parish Church and this > time > their name is spelt WELCH. > I have a copy of their son / my gt grandfather Peter's birth certificate. > He was born on 5/9/1856 in Chew Moor, Rumworth and on his birth the name > in > now WALSH. > > It is after this that it all goes wrong. I cannot find Richard or Ellen on > the 1861 with any of the spelling variations. Their children William, > Peter > and Mary are staying with their grand parents William and Mary -now WALSH > who have now moved from Lostock to Brackley St Farnworth. > > In 1871 the 3 children are still living with their grand parents in > Brackley St, Farnworth and I can still find no trace of Richard. I have > however found Ellen who is back living with her parents in Chew Moor > Lostock > and is shown as Ellen WALSH and is married > > In 1881 again I can find no trace of Richard but Ellen Walsh is now living > in Rumworth on Bella St and is shown as widowed. She is the head of the > house and has a couple of people boarding with her.Their son / my Gt > grandfather Peter has now married and is living with his wife Mary Louise, > my gt grandmother, on Morris Green Lane. I cannot find a reasonable match > for the other 2 siblings William and Mary on any of the 1881 and later > census and will still keep looking. > > However it is the fact that I can't find either Richard or Ellen on the > 1861 > and only Ellen on the1871 and on both census all their children are with > their grandparents that seems very strange. It's as though the children > were > brought up by the grandparents as I have never found anything to show them > living with the parents > I wonder where Richard and Ellen were? > I have found Ellen on the 1891 and the1901 census where again she has > boarders living with her. I have never found Richard on a census other > that > the 1851 with his parents. Has anyone any ideas on the best areas for me > to > research that would help fill the gaps. > > Kind regards > Linda Hindley > > researching Walsh, Roscoe, Lobb, Bullough, Ramwell Whitworth, Heywood, > Smith, Bolton,Vose , Raby, Ormrod, Makinson and Calderley > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Sorry about my first email. I am not totally sure what caused it to corrupt but it may have been the plain text format. I'll try again and keep my fingers crossed I wonder if anyone can help or make any suggestions as to how I can solve one of my brick walls? Details as follows Richard Walsh and Ellen Bullough are my 2 x gt grand parents. Richard was born about 1832 and was with his parents [William Mary] in Lostock on the 1851 census, though their surname was spelt WALCH. Ellen was with her parents [Peter and Betty] in Rumworth in 1851. Richard and Ellen married on 2 Jan 1854 at Deane Parish Church and this time their name is spelt WELCH. I have a copy of their son / my gt grandfather Peter's birth certificate. He was born on 5/9/1856 in Chew Moor, Rumworth and on his birth the name in now WALSH. It is after this that it all goes wrong. I cannot find Richard or Ellen on the 1861 with any of the spelling variations. Their children William, Peter and Mary are staying with their grand parents William and Mary -now WALSH who have now moved from Lostock to Brackley St Farnworth. In 1871 the 3 children are still living with their grand parents in Brackley St, Farnworth and I can still find no trace of Richard. I have however found Ellen who is back living with her parents in Chew Moor Lostock and is shown as Ellen WALSH and is married In 1881 again I can find no trace of Richard but Ellen Walsh is now living in Rumworth on Bella St and is shown as widowed. She is the head of the house and has a couple of people boarding with her.Their son / my Gt grandfather Peter has now married and is living with his wife Mary Louise, my gt grandmother, on Morris Green Lane. I cannot find a reasonable match for the other 2 siblings William and Mary on any of the 1881 and later census and will still keep looking. However it is the fact that I can't find either Richard or Ellen on the 1861 and only Ellen on the1871 and on both census all their children are with their grandparents that seems very strange. It's as though the children were brought up by the grandparents as I have never found anything to show them living with the parents I wonder where Richard and Ellen were? I have found Ellen on the 1891 and the1901 census where again she has boarders living with her. I have never found Richard on a census other that the 1851 with his parents. Has anyone any ideas on the best areas for me to research that would help fill the gaps. Kind regards Linda Hindley researching Walsh, Roscoe, Lobb, Bullough, Ramwell Whitworth, Heywood, Smith, Bolton,Vose , Raby, Ormrod, Makinson and Calderley

I have Ellen Bullough, born about 1850. Same area, same name. Must be something to it. I just mailed my mitochondrial DNA to the Oxford project. Am hoping for information as a result. Sure do wish some others might do the same, and yes, I know it is expensive. Regards, Joyce Stevens -----Original Message----- From: Linda Hindley [mailto:linda.hindley7@ntlworld.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:06 PM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Richard Walsh & Ellen Bullough Thanks Peter I did look at the BMD but only 1970s onward because the 1871 census did said Ellen was married. You are right though and it does seem the most likely answer. I will send off for the death cert and see if it is a match. If it does match then the Ellen lodging in Farnworth nearer her children also makes sense. Kind regards Linda Hindley -------Original Message------- From: Peter Wood Date: 04/15/06 23:33:59 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Richard Walsh & Ellen Bullough Linda Maybe Richard Walsh was dead before the 1861 census? There is a GRO Index for Richard Walsh March Q 1861 Bolton 8c p265. There is an Ellen Walsh, married, aged 30, born Westhoughton, boarding with a Partington family in Wellington St., Farnworth in 1861. Could be her? Boarders and lodgers are notorious for having dodgy details recorded. Rumworth/Westhoughton are much of a muchness and I've seen a few incorrect Married/Unmarried in censuses. Peter Wood ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx