ps I'm in Livonia, just across the State from you. Joyce -----Original Message----- From: DJMFLAG@aol.com [mailto:DJMFLAG@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:06 PM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Re: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D Digest V06 #132 Hi: My g-g-g- grandfather was Charles Hampson of Radcliffe. His daughter Ann was married to my g-g-grandfather John Collinge in 1821 at Manchester Cathedral. When I visited Radcliffe a couple of years back I visited St. Mary's C.of E, the parish church of Radcliffe. The grave yard was full of Hampsons. Apparently, the Hampsons were very influential in the community and in the church. Maybe some of your family might have been one of them. My Charles Hampson was born in 1772. I doubt that he was related to your Hampsons as I don't think my relatives were very prosperous. My Grandfather John Collinge and his wife Ann (nee Hampson) were buried in St. Thomas's cemetery, Radcliffe. Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi, would it be possible for someone to look up the marriages for this area pre 1837 for the name Kennerdell/Kennerdale? I am looking for James amd Ralph in particular. Many thanks Judith

Hello Martin If it isn't asking too much could you look for Clitheroe/Clitherow in the censuses. In the 1841 census they lived at Claremont Great Bolton Thank you Pamela -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006

Actually, my James Hampson was dirt poor, worked in the cotton mills in and around Bolton and was in and out of the poor house. James, born c. 1850 = I have a photo. I'd be happy to share it with you. One of the characteristics I've inherited is extremely white hair, found my first one at age 17. Regards, Joyce -----Original Message----- From: DJMFLAG@aol.com [mailto:DJMFLAG@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:06 PM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Re: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D Digest V06 #132 Hi: My g-g-g- grandfather was Charles Hampson of Radcliffe. His daughter Ann was married to my g-g-grandfather John Collinge in 1821 at Manchester Cathedral. When I visited Radcliffe a couple of years back I visited St. Mary's C.of E, the parish church of Radcliffe. The grave yard was full of Hampsons. Apparently, the Hampsons were very influential in the community and in the church. Maybe some of your family might have been one of them. My Charles Hampson was born in 1772. I doubt that he was related to your Hampsons as I don't think my relatives were very prosperous. My Grandfather John Collinge and his wife Ann (nee Hampson) were buried in St. Thomas's cemetery, Radcliffe. Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi, my great grandfather was born in Bolton April 1828...they wre not Catholics...would there be records of him..William Lefley born to Robert and Amy Evans Lefley...Does anyone know of a Bernard Lefley...the name Bernard was given one of his children in Pennsylvania...thank you. martha goodrich ----- Original Message ----- From: "jk hats" <jkhats@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1811,21,31 census lookup?? > > Could anyone owning the fiche be kind enough to do a look up on the above > censuses? The names I am interested in are John > Kennerdell/Kennerdale/Kendale born c1825 and James of the same name born > c1780's. Any mention of the name would be very much appreciated. Many > thanks > Judith Kennerdale > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/313 - Release Date: 4/15/2006 > >

Hi: My g-g-g- grandfather was Charles Hampson of Radcliffe. His daughter Ann was married to my g-g-grandfather John Collinge in 1821 at Manchester Cathedral. When I visited Radcliffe a couple of years back I visited St. Mary's C.of E, the parish church of Radcliffe. The grave yard was full of Hampsons. Apparently, the Hampsons were very influential in the community and in the church. Maybe some of your family might have been one of them. My Charles Hampson was born in 1772. I doubt that he was related to your Hampsons as I don't think my relatives were very prosperous. My Grandfather John Collinge and his wife Ann (nee Hampson) were buried in St. Thomas's cemetery, Radcliffe. Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan

Hi Jan, You'll find a definition of Bolton-le-Moors at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Bolton/ You should normally think of it as an archaic name for what we would now simply refer to as Bolton. Gt Bolton was a township within Bolton-le-Moors. The first census to provide comprehensive coverage was the 1841 census. The 1841 census did not give the relationships of house occupants, it rounded the ages of over-15s to the nearest 5 years below, and it only indicated whether individuals were or were not born in the county. Censuses were taken every 10 years and from 1851 they have provided additional information including theoretically exact ages, relationship to the head of the household and parish of birth. I hope that's some help Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Jan Buker" <jcbuker@bukerfamily.org> > What would Bolton Le Moors be considered? I am new to the list and > searching for Scowcroft and Booth. Some of them immigrated to the US ca. > 1842. Thank you, Jan Buker Castle Rock, WA, USA

Hi Kath, I'm not sure what the rules are, or if there are any but I can give you a couple of examples of custom and practice. St Paul's Church, on Halliwell Rd, Bolton had a graveyard a few hundred yards away on Cloister St. This has been grassed over with the graves intact, and is now a children's recreation ground. Some of the headstones, which have been laid flat are still partially showing through the grass. The children use some of these as bases for bonfires. Also in Halliwell is St Peter's Church. This is a different church from St Peter's, Bolton Parish Church where it has already been said that the headstones have been stacked against the boundary wall. My grandfather was buried in the churchyard at St Peter's, Halliwell in 1925. When my grandmother died in 1951 she was buried in the same grave. When I became interested in family research and discovered where they were buried, I visited the graveyard and discovered that their headstone had been "cleared away to make maintenance easier". The headstone has vanished. No one remembers what they did with it. A number of others have been used to build a dustbin storage area. You can see bits of some of the inscriptions. My grandfather was The Rev. Henry Wright Thornley. All around his grave are graves with headstones because they got fed up with the clearance project shortly after they started. Visit almost any graveyard, with the exception of CWGC graveyards, and you have to conclude that the only people interested in the graves are we whose ancestors are interred in them. I make no judgement of this situation, I simply observe it as a fact. Whether it's the Church, the Council, or property developers what matters is now and the future. Respect for the dead will be given token consideration, then ignored. The fact that families would not have expected their graves to be disturbed, and that they would have paid probably a significant part of their savings towards the interment and family memorials will receive not even token consideration. So, would they do it? Certainly if no one stopped them. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Kathryn Hale" <kathhale23@yahoo.co.uk> <snip> Surely they would not just build on a grave yard without first taking note of who was buried there...........would they ? <snip>

Hello. My great-grandfather, Thomas Hamer had a sister, Alice Hamer, born Breightmet about 1853. In a photo in the 1890's recently discovered, she is with my grandfather as a little boy. She was, by then, it seems Lady Groves. They might have married somewhere other than Bolton, of course. I can't figure how to find the marriage. I have ancestry.com - and have tried the IGI, without luck. Can anyone suggest another way to check marriages without going through 1837online one 1/4 at a time? It's a longtime since I've worked on Lancashire genealogy - now there are so many lists. I'm sure there was another way to find marriages - but am having trouble remembering hos I did it in thepast. Thank you so much for any help. I'm coming to UK in August - including the Bolton area. I still have some family in Merseyside and a few in Bolton. Roslyn Macgregor in Montreal

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Hale" <kathhale23@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Moor Lane Baptist Chapel > Hi Everyone,Thank you for everyones imput .I contacted Tongue cemetery and > they have no records of the graves.I believe that some years after Moor > Lane Chapel closed a Methodist church or school was built on the grounds, > but there was no mention of what happened to the graves.I also have > contacted Manchester archives and as Bob said,they only have records for > Baptisms.Surely they would not just build on a grave yard without first > taking note of who was buried there...........would they ? > regards Kath > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > --------------------------------- > Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup > tickets. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

They are not ages, they are district numbers. There is a map dividing the area up into districts with numbers. Only the head of the household would be recorded. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: jk hats [mailto:jkhats@hotmail.com] > Sent: 28 April 2006 18:38 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1811,21,31 census lookup?? > > Thanks a million for that Martin, amazing stuff!!! One > question; have you any idea if the ages are rounded up or down? > > Thank you again very very much > Judith > > > > >From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> > >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1811,21,31 census lookup?? > >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:23:06 +0100 > > > >1811 > > District > >KENNERDELL, Thomas Back Queen Street 21 > >KENWORTHY, John Rose Hill 1 > > > >1821 > >KENNERDALE, Ra Walker Fold 1 > >KENNERDELL, John B G Sq 6 > >KENNERDELL, Thos Middle St 6 > >KENWORTHY, Wm Taylor Brow 10 > > > > > >1831 > >KENNERDALE, Ralph 9 Walker Fold 17 > >KENWORTHY, Wm 20 Taylor Brow 25 > > > > > > > >Those are just Great Bolton > > > > > >Martin Briscoe > >Fort William > >M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jk hats [mailto:jkhats@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: 28 April 2006 18:09 > > > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1811,21,31 census lookup?? > > > > > > > > > Could anyone owning the fiche be kind enough to do a look > up on the > > > above censuses? The names I am interested in are John > > > Kennerdell/Kennerdale/Kendale born c1825 and James of the > same name > > > born c1780's. Any mention of the name would be very much > > > appreciated. Many thanks Judith Kennerdale > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one > mode to the > > > other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. > > > > > > ============================== > > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, > > > find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > >Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > > >============================== > >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > >New content added every business day. Learn more: > >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records > added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

1811 District KENNERDELL, Thomas Back Queen Street 21 KENWORTHY, John Rose Hill 1 1821 KENNERDALE, Ra Walker Fold 1 KENNERDELL, John B G Sq 6 KENNERDELL, Thos Middle St 6 KENWORTHY, Wm Taylor Brow 10 1831 KENNERDALE, Ralph 9 Walker Fold 17 KENWORTHY, Wm 20 Taylor Brow 25 Those are just Great Bolton Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: jk hats [mailto:jkhats@hotmail.com] > Sent: 28 April 2006 18:09 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1811,21,31 census lookup?? > > > Could anyone owning the fiche be kind enough to do a look up > on the above censuses? The names I am interested in are John > Kennerdell/Kennerdale/Kendale born c1825 and James of the > same name born c1780's. Any mention of the name would be very > much appreciated. Many thanks Judith Kennerdale > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one > and then subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your > ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hi Everyone,Thank you for everyones imput .I contacted Tongue cemetery and they have no records of the graves.I believe that some years after Moor Lane Chapel closed a Methodist church or school was built on the grounds, but there was no mention of what happened to the graves.I also have contacted Manchester archives and as Bob said,they only have records for Baptisms.Surely they would not just build on a grave yard without first taking note of who was buried there...........would they ? regards Kath ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets.

Hi I have a map from 1930 showing the Primitive Methodist Church on the corner of Gas Street and a Chapel on the corner of Hanover Street. But I cant see any graveyard. I know that one of the churches changed its name to the Elim Church. I can remember going there as a child. One night they had a visiting evangelist. He and his family were all dressed in white cowboy clothes and it was a really jolly night. Regards Jacqui Kilcoyne

Thanks a million for that Martin, amazing stuff!!! One question; have you any idea if the ages are rounded up or down? Thank you again very very much Judith >From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1811,21,31 census lookup?? >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:23:06 +0100 > >1811 > District >KENNERDELL, Thomas Back Queen Street 21 >KENWORTHY, John Rose Hill 1 > >1821 >KENNERDALE, Ra Walker Fold 1 >KENNERDELL, John B G Sq 6 >KENNERDELL, Thos Middle St 6 >KENWORTHY, Wm Taylor Brow 10 > > >1831 >KENNERDALE, Ralph 9 Walker Fold 17 >KENWORTHY, Wm 20 Taylor Brow 25 > > > >Those are just Great Bolton > > >Martin Briscoe >Fort William >M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jk hats [mailto:jkhats@hotmail.com] > > Sent: 28 April 2006 18:09 > > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1811,21,31 census lookup?? > > > > > > Could anyone owning the fiche be kind enough to do a look up > > on the above censuses? The names I am interested in are John > > Kennerdell/Kennerdale/Kendale born c1825 and James of the > > same name born c1780's. Any mention of the name would be very > > much appreciated. Many thanks Judith Kennerdale > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one > > and then subscribe to the other. > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your > > ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Could anyone owning the fiche be kind enough to do a look up on the above censuses? The names I am interested in are John Kennerdell/Kennerdale/Kendale born c1825 and James of the same name born c1780's. Any mention of the name would be very much appreciated. Many thanks Judith Kennerdale

I don't know Martin, but perhaps someone does! Barbara

Was a record kept of where they were reburied? I presume they were not put in individual graves but would be nice to know where my Great Great Grandparent's remains are located. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: BARBARA WINDER [mailto:barbara@wonderwinder.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 28 April 2006 15:25 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Moor Lane Baptist Chapel > > I'm sure someone will have more detailed knowledge of this > church but a number of the churches in central Bolton closed > their graveyards mid-1800s. I believe many of the bodies were > moved to the municipal cemeteries at Heaton and Tongue and > re-buried. In many cases however the gravestones remained. > For example the gravestones in the old graveyard at the > Parish church were left along a wall piled on top of each > other. However, I do know a number of the M.I.s were noted > before they moved to their present position and the booklets > on these are indexed in books and microfilm at Bolton Local > Studies Library. > Barbara

I'm sure someone will have more detailed knowledge of this church but a number of the churches in central Bolton closed their graveyards mid-1800s. I believe many of the bodies were moved to the municipal cemeteries at Heaton and Tongue and re-buried. In many cases however the gravestones remained. For example the gravestones in the old graveyard at the Parish church were left along a wall piled on top of each other. However, I do know a number of the M.I.s were noted before they moved to their present position and the booklets on these are indexed in books and microfilm at Bolton Local Studies Library. Barbara

----- Original Message ----- From: "ken walker" <kwalker17@msn.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] inquest report Joseph Walker > Could SKS check BEN archives or other local paper for report on above > Dod 16/08/1954 Address would be c/o hospital or Broad'oth Lane > > Ken W > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >