MARRIAGE. On the 17th inst., at the parish church, Workington, by the REV. HENRY CURWEN, rector, M.A., MICHAEL, only surviving son of MICHAEL FALCON, of Workington, Esq., to MARY, only daughter of the late JOHN HUDSON, of Ullock Mains, Esq. ...from THE TIMES, September 19, 1857

I'll check those five names tonight when I get home from work. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: K Peat [mailto:karenn@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 05 May 2006 07:40 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 If i may ask a question, how could i access the 1811,21,31 census info. Is it available online? I am researching the following bolton families if anyone is interested i would be happy to share any info i have. Peat, Atkinson, Gerrard,McKittrick. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Granhill4@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 > I am interested in the Ridings family that left Bolton in about 1840. > Any possibility that I might be able to tap into these census records? > Janet

If i may ask a question, how could i access the 1811,21,31 census info. Is it available online? I am researching the following bolton families if anyone is interested i would be happy to share any info i have. Peat, Atkinson, Gerrard,McKittrick. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Granhill4@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 > I am interested in the Ridings family that left Bolton in about 1840. > Any possibility that I might be able to tap into these census records? > Janet > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Dear Valerie, you wrote me once that Lefley wasn't a common name in Bolton. In the 1811, etc. census. are there any Lefley's mentioned at all? thank you so much. martha goodrich

Hi Maggie, Can you tell me how old James Brownlow would be on the 1851. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Thomas" <member@pagan.wanadoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:25 PM >I was just wondering if some kind person could have a look on some of the >earlier census for me. > Im looking for James Brownlow, his wife Mary, and a possible daughter > Ellen. The earlier the better for the census information. > I have the family from 1861 onwards. As to an address Im not too sure. > There could also be the mother in law living with them, she is called > Rachel Hardman. > Thanks, Maggie > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 03/05/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 03/05/2006

I am interested in the Ridings family that left Bolton in about 1840. Any possibility that I might be able to tap into these census records? Janet

Hi Margaret, I've just looked at the 1851 on The Genealogist, and found a William Heap, 48, cotton weaver, living at 48 Commission Street, Bolton, HO107/2211/F166. Is this your William? If so, I would say that it was definitely Bolton, not Halton, that was his birthplace. However, there is a discrepancy of 4 years between his stated age at death and the census. However, it's not unknown for informants, or for census takers, to get it wrong. Have you tried to find a will? Bolton Archives have indexes for these, though the actual wills themselves are held at the LRO. Apart from that I can't think of anything else to suggest. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin & Margaret" <marlin.2817@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Heap > Dear Val, I have the date of the marriage... 16.7.1826 Bolton > Parish... stating both of this parish. but what I am trying to find out > is WHERE AND WHO IS William..... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 02/05/2006

I just found out that my local library has this set in their genealogy department. When I get a chance I will check it out and let you know how it is. Michele

Hi Martin, Thanks for the Blundell records and the clarification below. When I found out there are just a few districts in England that have held on to the early census records, I didn't dare dream one of them was Bolton! How lucky that is. Thanks so much, Leisha Central Penna Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 Censuses were carried out in the years before 1841 but they were just head counts to get population numbers. Some records have survived for some areas and luckily Great Bolton is one of them. http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/N-EarlyCensuses.html<http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/N-EarlyCensuses.html>

Hi Sandra, There has recently been a mailing list set up for the Fylde area as follows : ENG-LAN-FYLDE - A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in the registration district of Fylde, Lancashire, England, > particularly the seaside town of BLACKPOOL and surrounding parishes > and hamlets including Bispham, Carleton, Fleetwood, Hardhorn, Kirkham, > Layton, Lytham, Marton, Poulton le Fylde, Singleton, Thornton, and Weeton. There is also the LancsGEN list, which covers Lancashire as a whole. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Love" <sandy@networksmm.com.au> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Poulton le Fylde > Good morning, > I am trying to find on which list I should be to find people in the above. > Looking for a Richard Bond, daughter Nanny married John Smith in 1847 at > Fylde. >> Thank you > Sandra > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/328 - Release Date: 01/05/2006

Good morning, I am trying to find on which list I should be to find people in the above. Looking for a Richard Bond, daughter Nanny married John Smith in 1847 at Fylde. Marriage certificate only gives father as Richard and with a name like Bond maybe not so easy to find. Would appreciate any help. Thank you Sandra

Hi Valerie, Thanks for your help. Will try and order this film. Regards Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Lirakis" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Cemetery info > Hi Tina, > > There is also a burial ground in Cloister Street for St. Paul's, Halliwell > 1864-1960. > > Valerie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C Port" <cport@bigpond.net.au> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:53 AM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Cemetery info > > >> If family died in or near Halliwell, which cemetery would they most >> likely be buried in. Am talking of the 1900's. >> >> Thanks >> >> Tina >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then >> subscribe to the other. >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Brian, Just for the record, you've been slightly misinformed about Greater Bolton, which is actually the modern area covering all of Bolton and the surrounding villages and townships. You probably have in mind Great Bolton (Gt Bolton) which was not in fact an outlying village but rather the central area including the town centre and the Parish Church of St Peter. Little Bolton, as a matter of interest, comprised three non-contiguous areas. There is some possibly helpful information at http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/towns/bolton1.html The largest parish in the area was Deane so possibly the next check would be on the records of the Parish Church of St Mary's, Deane. There's some general information at http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Deane/home.html The records are available in Bolton Archives and at Manchester Central Library. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: <brfidler@netspace.net.au> > Hello List People > I'm new to the list. My interest is in the surname FIDLER. I have a > marriage For > Valentine Fidler in 1790 at St. Peter's, Bolton, but I know he was not > christened there. He was born in 1769, and according to his death record, > possibly in Greater Bolton. I understand this to be an outlying village of > Bolton although why it would be called greater, I'm blessed if I know. > Can anyone help me with a likely Church for his christening? > Brian Fidler > Sydney > Australia

Having been out of action for 3 months I have re-subscribed. I am still interested in and looking for Calland's in the Bolton, Wigan and Leigh area's and I would love to hear from any other lister seeking the sam. Bob Howard, Hampshire.

Censuses were carried out in the years before 1841 but they were just head counts to get population numbers. Some records have survived for some areas and luckily Great Bolton is one of them. http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/N-EarlyCensuses.html Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: K Peat [mailto:karenn@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 02 May 2006 17:17 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 Hope you dont mind this interruption, but the subject caught my eye....am i to believe there are actually records for bolton for 1811 21, 31? if so could that is great news for me as i came to a dead end at 1841 Karen

Dear Val, I have the date of the marriage... 16.7.1826 Bolton Parish... stating both of this parish. but what I am trying to find out is WHERE AND WHO IS William..... on the census it just states Bolton.... but I have 5 different william born to five different families.... which way do I go.. ? other children in the family are Elizabeth 1826 ( just states will & mgt ) Abraham 1828 (again Will & Mgt) William 1830, Thomas 1833, Cecelia 1838 Jos 1841,Mgt 1847, Edw.1849 my william died 1877 Mill Hill Street age to be 78 witness at death.. Joseph Heap ( my gt grt grandfather) on the early census i.e. 1851 Bolton looks like Halton, could be that I have to move further afield.... five sets of parents are... Abraham & Betty, John & Hannah, George & Esther, Thomas & Jane, Joseph & Ann. all families have all the above names .... could be all cousins.... all have a william from 1795 - 1803. regards, Margaret ( M & LFHS Bolton Branch...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Lirakis" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Heap > Hi Margaret, > > In my index for St. Peter's marriages I came across this marriage, > transcribed Heaps. I will check this out when I next go to the Archives. > However, the records will probably not tell me very much more than this, > apart from occupation, witnesses, and whether of that parish. > > Valerie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin & Margaret" <marlin.2817@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:17 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Heap > > >>I am looking for a William Heap that married a Margaret Hart July 1826.. >>Children ( certificate proof) Joseph b) 1842 (brushmaker) g g grandad >>married Sarah Holden 1861 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 28/04/2006 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hope you dont mind this interruption, but the subject caught my eye....am i to believe there are actually records for bolton for 1811 21, 31? if so could that is great news for me as i came to a dead end at 1841 Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 > 1811 > BLUNDEL Jas. Can Row District 5 > BLUNDELL Jos. Deansgate 12 > BLUNDELL Thos. Deansgate 14 > > > 1821 > BLUNDELL Jas. Cann Row 1 > BLUNDELL Thomas Deansgate 9 > BLUNDLE Jos. Deansgate 7 > > > 1831 > BLUNDELL Jane Bk Ormrod Street 14 > BLUNDELL Jas. Cannon Street 19 > BLUNDELL Jno. 30 Derby Street 17 > BLUNDELL Thomas Newport Place 2 > BLUNDELL Thos. Howell Croft 11 > > > The fiches are available from the M&LFHS, two fiche per year > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leisha Johnson-Harvey [mailto:spenbrooklee@msn.com] > Sent: 02 May 2006 16:29 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 > > Hi Martin, > > I didn't know Bolton had names on these censuses! Thought it was just the > odd district here and there. Even if it is just head of household, that's > much more helpful than I imagined. Sorry to jump in here, but could I > possibly get a list of Blundell? Blundle? They were living on Back > Cannon > Street/Cannon Street from 1841-1871. Henry, James, hoping for a William > too. > > Where are the fiche available? > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi, Valerie. It's possible she married a second time, although I can't find a wedding. Alice Hamer is a common name, so it's difficult. there is Alice Draper Hamer married Grove - in about 1896 after his first wife died. In which case, is it possible they put the Draper before Hamer even though she'd been Draper? It's so tricky... sigh - but lots of fun... Thanks for the ideas and any other thoughts, if something pops up at some point. I suppose I should order some certificates and see... Ros

1811 BLUNDEL Jas. Can Row District 5 BLUNDELL Jos. Deansgate 12 BLUNDELL Thos. Deansgate 14 1821 BLUNDELL Jas. Cann Row 1 BLUNDELL Thomas Deansgate 9 BLUNDLE Jos. Deansgate 7 1831 BLUNDELL Jane Bk Ormrod Street 14 BLUNDELL Jas. Cannon Street 19 BLUNDELL Jno. 30 Derby Street 17 BLUNDELL Thomas Newport Place 2 BLUNDELL Thos. Howell Croft 11 The fiches are available from the M&LFHS, two fiche per year Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Leisha Johnson-Harvey [mailto:spenbrooklee@msn.com] Sent: 02 May 2006 16:29 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 Hi Martin, I didn't know Bolton had names on these censuses! Thought it was just the odd district here and there. Even if it is just head of household, that's much more helpful than I imagined. Sorry to jump in here, but could I possibly get a list of Blundell? Blundle? They were living on Back Cannon Street/Cannon Street from 1841-1871. Henry, James, hoping for a William too. Where are the fiche available?

Martin: I apologize for "piggy-backing" on another listers message, but I am so far unable to get back beyond 1841 with the Springfield family. I know some of them were still in Bolton in 1841 on Derby Street. The adult males had come to the USA prior to the 1841 census. That suggests they may have been in Bolton in 1831, 1821 or even 1811. Could I impose on you to check those censuses for Springfield's? It is possible they were in Manchester sometime during that period. I don't know if census records exist for Manchester prior to 1841. Thank you! Regards, Ron Springfield, Florida, USA rhspri2@aol.com