I'm attending a funeral on Monday of a 101-year-old aunt, with the service held at St Bartholomew's, Westhoughton, but I've been told that the interment will take place not in any part of the churchyard but at a separate cemetery off Market Street, where her mother is buried. I was not aware of any other cemetery near the church, and I thought I knew the area reasonably well. Does anyone know if this other burial ground exists and, if it does, where it is? Thanks for any help, Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton

Hi Sylvia, I've found the following on the 1841 for Lancashire, HO107/0523/F17 Morris's Row, Wigan James Rogers, 40, weaver, born Ireland Mary, 45, born Ireland Elizabeth, 25, born in Co,. Mary, 20, born in Co. Ann, 10, born in Co. I didn't find anyone with the surname spelled Rodgers. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm and Sylvia" <nsatstanwelltops@smartchat.net.au> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 4:39 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] census 1831 and 1841 lookup please > Could someone please check the 1831 and 1841 censuses for James Rodgers, > b. 1801 Ireland and his wife Mary, born 1799 Ireland? > In the 1851 census, they were living at 9 Velvet Walk, off Bradshawgate. > Thanks very much, > Sylvia Wilcox > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 04/05/2006

thanks a lot martin, i recognise a couple of these marjorie >From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 >Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:26:46 +0100 > > >1811 >HUNT, Elice Noble Street >District 7 > > >1821 >HUNT, Ellis Noble St >3 >HUNT, Ann Stothill St >25 >HUNT, Isaac Pike Lane >2 >HUNT, John Pike Lane >2 >HUNT, Jos. John St >3 >HUNT, Richd. Bridgman St >26 > > >1831 >HUNT, Elizabeth Pikes Lane >19 >HUNT, Isaac 51 Taylor Brow >25 >HUNT, Jno Duncan Street >19 >HUNT, Mitchel 50, Bradshawgate >2 >HUNT, Rich.d. 25, Derby Street >17 >HUNT, Rich.d. Derby Street >17 >HUNT, S. Wigan Lane >1 > > >Martin Briscoe >Fort William >M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: marjorie featherstone [mailto:mfeathers63@hotmail.com] >Sent: 05 May 2006 17:19 >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 > >hi martin, >just jumping in here!!!! >can you see if there are any HUNTs listed ,,thats if you dont mind,? >PLEASE > regards maggi > > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Hi Joyce, I found these Scotts in the St. Peter and Paul's Baptism Records. Could they belong to you? Born 4th February, 1854 christened 26th February, Mary Scott, Father Patrick, Mother Alice Darcy. Godparents Patrick Darcy and Mary McEvoy. Born 3rd March, 1854, christened 29th March, Patrick Scott, Father James, Mother Ann Dagherty. Godparents James Kelly and Catherine Queen. Best Wishes, Anne in Bolton.

Many thanks thats great. This is now where I come to a grinding halt. I cant get any further back without actually going to Bolton, which unfortunatly is impossible. Maggie ======================================== Message Received: May 05 2006, 10:39 AM From: "Valerie Lirakis" To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Re: James Brownlow Hi Maggie, Found this on the 1841 as follows: Ormrod Street, Great Bolton, HO107/0534/F.10 James Brownlow, 30, Cotton Spinner Mary, 29 Ellen, 2 Rachel, 10m All born in the County. 1851, HO107/2209/F.468 145 Kay St, Horwich Rachel Hardman, Head, Widow, 60, Green grocer, born Rochdale James Hardman, Son, 19, Mechanic, born Bolton James Brownlow, Son-in-law, 40, Driller Manager, born Horwich Mary, daughter, 38, Cotton doubler, born Bolton Ellen, granddaughter, 13 Rachel, granddaughter, 11 Joseph, grandson, 3. Hope this helps, Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Thomas" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:25 PM >I was just wondering if some kind person could have a look on some of the >earlier census for me. > Im looking for James Brownlow, his wife Mary, and a possible daughter > Ellen. The earlier the better for the census information. > I have the family from 1861 onwards. As to an address Im not too sure. > There could also be the mother in law living with them, she is called > Rachel Hardman. > Thanks, Maggie > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 03/05/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 03/05/2006 ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

1811 HUNT, Elice Noble Street District 7 1821 HUNT, Ellis Noble St 3 HUNT, Ann Stothill St 25 HUNT, Isaac Pike Lane 2 HUNT, John Pike Lane 2 HUNT, Jos. John St 3 HUNT, Richd. Bridgman St 26 1831 HUNT, Elizabeth Pikes Lane 19 HUNT, Isaac 51 Taylor Brow 25 HUNT, Jno Duncan Street 19 HUNT, Mitchel 50, Bradshawgate 2 HUNT, Rich.d. 25, Derby Street 17 HUNT, Rich.d. Derby Street 17 HUNT, S. Wigan Lane 1 Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: marjorie featherstone [mailto:mfeathers63@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 May 2006 17:19 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 hi martin, just jumping in here!!!! can you see if there are any HUNTs listed ,,thats if you dont mind,? PLEASE regards maggi

Martin While you are looking for "Hunts" please can you see if you can find any Dickinson/Dickensons. Thank you Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 >I will take the PC through later and look up the other names. Its easier >to > take the laptop to the fiche reader than try and read my scribblings! > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: marjorie featherstone [mailto:mfeathers63@hotmail.com] > Sent: 05 May 2006 17:19 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 > > hi martin, > just jumping in here!!!! > can you see if there are any HUNTs listed ,,thats if you dont mind,? > PLEASE > regards maggi > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 06/05/2006 00:52:53 GMT Daylight Time, mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk writes: don't know the area but I note that Pevsner says of St Bartholomew's that "the churchyard has been extended West to form the town cemetery". That seems to fit with what is shown There is a small graveyard at the Bethel Independent Church which is just off Market Street on the corner of Park Road and Leigh Road. Could that be the one? Jacqui

hi martin, just jumping in here!!!! can you see if there are any HUNTs listed ,,thats if you dont mind,? PLEASE regards maggi >From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 >Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:12:06 +0100 > > >1811 >ATKINSON Edwd. Deansgate District >14 >GARRARD, George Howell Croft 20 >GERRARD, Noah Crook Street 9 >GERRARD, Samuel Royal Acres >18 >GERRART, I. Bank Street >15 >McKITHRICK, William Ridgeway Gates 13 >PEAT, Betty Wood Street >16 > > >1821 >ATKINSON, Edwd Bradshawgate 14 >ATKINSON, Enoch Churchgate >12 >ATKINSON, Jane Silverwell Street >14 >ATKINSON, Richd. Bradshawgate >14 >ATKINSON, Samson B. G. Sq. >6 >GARRARD, Noah Flash St >23 >GERRARD, Ellen King St 8 >GERRARD, Jas. Front Duncan St 2 > > >1831 >ATKIN, Ann Grime Street >23 >ATKINSON, Chris. 16, Shambles >9 >ATKINSON, E. Churchgate >1 >ATKINSON, Jno. 7 Front Cross Street 7 >ATKINSON, John Ormrod Street 14 >ATKINSON, John Union Buildings 6 >ATKINSON, Robert 4, Sidney Street >4 >GARRARD, John 38, Middle Street >22 >GARRARD, William Old Acres No. 21 >6 >GARRETT, William 20, John Street >18 >GARRATT, Noah 13, Crook Street >16 >GERRARD, Geo. 24, Dawes Street >7 >GERRARD, Jno. Back Spring Gardens 12 >GERRARD, John Top o'th Height or Bridgman Street >4 >GERRARD, Wm 23, Chamber Hall >20 >PEAT, Fanny Top O'th Height or Bridgman >St. 4 >PEAT, John Blackhorse Street >13 >PEET, Josh Churchgate >1 > > > >As I wrote before this is only GREAT BOLTON and these are just heads of the >household. I have copied spelling as on the fiche > > > > > > >Martin Briscoe >Fort William >M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: K Peat [mailto:karenn@blueyonder.co.uk] >Sent: 05 May 2006 07:40 >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 > >If i may ask a question, how could i access the 1811,21,31 census info. Is >it available online? I am researching the following bolton families if >anyone is interested i would be happy to share any info i have. >Peat, Atkinson, Gerrard,McKittrick. > > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

I will take the PC through later and look up the other names. Its easier to take the laptop to the fiche reader than try and read my scribblings! Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: marjorie featherstone [mailto:mfeathers63@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 May 2006 17:19 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 hi martin, just jumping in here!!!! can you see if there are any HUNTs listed ,,thats if you dont mind,? PLEASE regards maggi

Hello Martin, Would you be so kind as to look for the name BANKS in the 1811/21/31 census. First names Ralph and/or William. Thank you Joyce in Victoria

1811 RIDING, John Black Horse Street District 21 RIDINGS, James Middle Street 10 RIDINGS, Jno Deansgate 19 RIDINGS, John Close Pitts 3 RIDINGS, John Middle Street 10 RIDINGS, Wm Middle Street 10 1821 RIDING, Jno Lottery Row 17 RIDINGS, Frank Bridgman St 26 RIDINGS, Hannah Middle St 6 RIDINGS, James Middle St 6 RIDINGS, Jas. Salt Peter Row 3 RIDINGS, John Blackhorse St 22 RIDINGS, John Middle St 6 1831 RIDINEGS, Jno. 9, Willows 17 RIDINGS, Francis 38, Howell Croft 11 RIDINGS, James 4, Middle Street 22 RIDINGS, James 9 Salt Houses 17 As I wrote before this is only GREAT BOLTON and these are just heads of the household. I have copied spelling as on the fiche Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Granhill4@aol.com [mailto:Granhill4@aol.com] Sent: 04 May 2006 21:43 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 I am interested in the Ridings family that left Bolton in about 1840. Any possibility that I might be able to tap into these census records? Janet

1811 ATKINSON Edwd. Deansgate District 14 GARRARD, George Howell Croft 20 GERRARD, Noah Crook Street 9 GERRARD, Samuel Royal Acres 18 GERRART, I. Bank Street 15 McKITHRICK, William Ridgeway Gates 13 PEAT, Betty Wood Street 16 1821 ATKINSON, Edwd Bradshawgate 14 ATKINSON, Enoch Churchgate 12 ATKINSON, Jane Silverwell Street 14 ATKINSON, Richd. Bradshawgate 14 ATKINSON, Samson B. G. Sq. 6 GARRARD, Noah Flash St 23 GERRARD, Ellen King St 8 GERRARD, Jas. Front Duncan St 2 1831 ATKIN, Ann Grime Street 23 ATKINSON, Chris. 16, Shambles 9 ATKINSON, E. Churchgate 1 ATKINSON, Jno. 7 Front Cross Street 7 ATKINSON, John Ormrod Street 14 ATKINSON, John Union Buildings 6 ATKINSON, Robert 4, Sidney Street 4 GARRARD, John 38, Middle Street 22 GARRARD, William Old Acres No. 21 6 GARRETT, William 20, John Street 18 GARRATT, Noah 13, Crook Street 16 GERRARD, Geo. 24, Dawes Street 7 GERRARD, Jno. Back Spring Gardens 12 GERRARD, John Top o'th Height or Bridgman Street 4 GERRARD, Wm 23, Chamber Hall 20 PEAT, Fanny Top O'th Height or Bridgman St. 4 PEAT, John Blackhorse Street 13 PEET, Josh Churchgate 1 As I wrote before this is only GREAT BOLTON and these are just heads of the household. I have copied spelling as on the fiche Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: K Peat [mailto:karenn@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 05 May 2006 07:40 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Censuses 1811,21,31 If i may ask a question, how could i access the 1811,21,31 census info. Is it available online? I am researching the following bolton families if anyone is interested i would be happy to share any info i have. Peat, Atkinson, Gerrard,McKittrick.

Hi Anne, Yes indeed you have made a find here. To the best of my knowledge Patrick Scott and Alice Darcy were my gg grandparents. I have yet to prove it beyond doubt. I have never been able to place grandfather Patrick Scott, b.1853, in the same household as the senior Patrick. Patrick Jr does list Patrick Sr as his father on his marriage certificate. What I need more than anything else is Patrick Jr's birth record. He claims to have been born in Newcastle Northumberland. Hours of searching have turned up nothing yet. So far my great grandfather only married, he was never born and did not die! I have a birth certificate for a Mary Ann Scott born, Dec. 12 1863, to Patrick Scott and Alice Darcy. Maybe the first Mary died or or the second one went by the name of Ann. The other birth you found is interesting and I will keep it on file for future reference. Thank you so much for keeping me in mind when you are searching. I have been working on putting an album together of my trip to Bolton. I see that my cousin was re elected yesterday. I'm sure all my ancestors in Tonge are very pleased. Thanks again Anne Joyce in Victoria On Friday, May 5, 2006, at 03:10 PM, pneanne wrote: > Hi Joyce, > > I found these Scotts in the St. Peter and Paul's Baptism Records. > Could they belong to you? > > Born 4th February, 1854 christened 26th February, Mary Scott, Father > Patrick, Mother Alice Darcy. Godparents Patrick Darcy and Mary > McEvoy. > > Born 3rd March, 1854, christened 29th March, Patrick Scott, Father > James, Mother Ann Dagherty. Godparents James Kelly and Catherine > Queen. > > Best Wishes, > > Anne in Bolton. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

your are a real angel martin, thank you so much!!!!!

A member of this list very kindly provided me with the information on three sets of relatives on the indexes of the early censuses of Gt. Bolton. (1811 thos Kennerdell,area 21, 1821 Ralph area 1, John and Thomas Kennerdale, both area 6, 1831 Ralph Kennerdell area17)Is there anyone who could possibly look up the original entries for me? Finding the children of these Kennerdales would solve a big mystery. OR can anyone offer suggestions as to how to find out more? many thanks Judith

Hi Maggie, Found this on the 1841 as follows: Ormrod Street, Great Bolton, HO107/0534/F.10 James Brownlow, 30, Cotton Spinner Mary, 29 Ellen, 2 Rachel, 10m All born in the County. 1851, HO107/2209/F.468 145 Kay St, Horwich Rachel Hardman, Head, Widow, 60, Green grocer, born Rochdale James Hardman, Son, 19, Mechanic, born Bolton James Brownlow, Son-in-law, 40, Driller Manager, born Horwich Mary, daughter, 38, Cotton doubler, born Bolton Ellen, granddaughter, 13 Rachel, granddaughter, 11 Joseph, grandson, 3. Hope this helps, Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Thomas" <member@pagan.wanadoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:25 PM >I was just wondering if some kind person could have a look on some of the >earlier census for me. > Im looking for James Brownlow, his wife Mary, and a possible daughter > Ellen. The earlier the better for the census information. > I have the family from 1861 onwards. As to an address Im not too sure. > There could also be the mother in law living with them, she is called > Rachel Hardman. > Thanks, Maggie > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 03/05/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 03/05/2006

Good morning would it be possible for someone to very kindly look up the indexes/registers for the name Kennerdale. I know they were in the area around 1820 and Im looking for any references to the name around 1825-1840 preferably. many thanks Judith in very sunny Wiltshire

My apologies; the MARRIAGE posting was sent in error. Barb, Ontario, Canada.

Hi Valerie, Thank you very much for the information, have joined that group and hope to be able to sort something out. Thank you Sandra