Hi Sue, I think you have the birth certificate for Thomas Burchall Hart, father Thomas Hart, mother Theresa Hart, nee Burchall on 15.1.1884. I came across the church record for the baptism at SS Peter and Paul's and there is a note at the bottom of the entry which states that Thomas married Amelia Heyes 1910 U.S.A. I wonder who gave the information to the church and why it says U.S.A. and not Canada? Best Wishes, Anne in Bolton.

Hi again Joyce, I found the baptism at SS Peter and Paul's for James Grier, born 15.11.1883, father William Grier and Anna Grier nee Healy. Godparents Joannes Reddy and Margaret Healy, 14 Ormerod Street. St. Patricks. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Lennard" <joycelennard@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCOTT BAPTISMS - ST. PETER AND PAUL'S > Hi Anne, > > Yes, I have Patrick living with Stephen Darcy in 1871, also in 1881 > living at 56 Reservoir St with Charles Darcy and his sisters. The other > Scott family ie James Scott, I am sure are somehow related. In 1891 they > are living at Bk Soho St where most of my family lived. > > I did send for the birth record of the other Patrick Scott but of course > he had the wrong parents. > > The other person whose birth record I have never been able to find is my > grandmother Mary Alice Scott b. 1883, mother Mary Gryer (Grier). I wonder > if she could also be registered at St Peter and Paul's? Patrick and Mary > were married at St Patrick's Church. Any help with this brick wall is > greatly appreciated. > > Joyce > > > On Saturday, May 6, 2006, at 05:09 PM, pneanne wrote: > >> Hi again Joyce, >> >> I have just been going through my notes, and I realise that the Patrick >> Scott, whose birth I found on the GRO Index, is probably the one whose >> baptism record I sent to you - Parents James Scott and Ann Daghery. >> >> Anne >> ----- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >>>> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >>>> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >>>> the >>>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >>> Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk >>> >>> ============================== >>> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >>> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >>> Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/ >>> tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, >> Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Joyce, I have had a look at SS. Peter and Paul's records for the baptism of Mary Alice in 1883. The only one I could find was Maria Gryer born 26.5.1882 c. 4.6.1882, mother Margaret Gryer, 38 Bk. Andrew Street. Godparent Helena Pattinon? I checked 1882 to 1884. The record showed that she married Robert Ingham on 4.7.1908. I found the marriage in St. Patrick's records. 4.7.1908 Robert Ingham, 25 Ormerod Street, father James Ingham and Mariam Grier, 16 Bk. Ormerod Street, father Michael Swift. The witnesses were William Grier and Margaret Ellen Crook. When I was looking at the GRO Index for Patrick Scott, I found some death records. I checked at SS. Peter and Paul's to see if they were there. 18th September, Patrick Scott, parish, 16 months Scarlet Fever. 19th June, 1876 Patrick Scott aged 2, buried 21st June, Cemetery. There was another death for a Patrick Scott in the GRO Index, who died in the September Quarter 1884 Bolton, born 1820. I tried to find this burial, but the records for SS. Peter and Paul's only seemed to go up to 1880. Best Wishes, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Lennard" <joycelennard@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCOTT BAPTISMS - ST. PETER AND PAUL'S > Hi Anne, > > Yes, I have Patrick living with Stephen Darcy in 1871, also in 1881 > living at 56 Reservoir St with Charles Darcy and his sisters. The other > Scott family ie James Scott, I am sure are somehow related. In 1891 they > are living at Bk Soho St where most of my family lived. > > I did send for the birth record of the other Patrick Scott but of course > he had the wrong parents. > > The other person whose birth record I have never been able to find is my > grandmother Mary Alice Scott b. 1883, mother Mary Gryer (Grier). I wonder > if she could also be registered at St Peter and Paul's? Patrick and Mary > were married at St Patrick's Church. Any help with this brick wall is > greatly appreciated. > > Joyce > > > On Saturday, May 6, 2006, at 05:09 PM, pneanne wrote: > >> Hi again Joyce, >> >> I have just been going through my notes, and I realise that the Patrick >> Scott, whose birth I found on the GRO Index, is probably the one whose >> baptism record I sent to you - Parents James Scott and Ann Daghery. >> >> Anne >> ----- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >>>> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >>>> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >>>> the >>>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >>> Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk >>> >>> ============================== >>> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >>> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >>> Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/ >>> tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, >> Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hello Jenny, Thank you for that look up in the 1861 Census. As far as I know Haslington is in Cheshire and none of my family are in that area. I will look into it more thoroughly. Kind regards Joyce

Hi all, I just got a will back, (John Markland d1860 on the off chance anyone is interested) and I've got a few questions: 1. Where is Salt Pie Row? I can't see it on a map, though James Riding said this in the list: "Salt Pie Yard, located behind the Gypsy's Tent pub on Red Lion Brow" - if so where's Red Lion Brow? White Lion Brow I know - my grandfather was born there - but not Red Lion Brow. 2. He leaves a ruck of houses on Salt Pie Row - 4 "double" houses, plus a place in Spring Gardens and 220 quid to his kids, yet the estate is still valued at less than £600. Rooting around on the gimpnet reveals that £600 is worth £37K now with inflation - that doesn't tie in with 5-9 houses. Am I missing something? I tried to find a site with historical house price data but I couldn't, does anyone know of anything? Thanks a lot, Paul. ------------ "Beer - it's not just a breakfast drink!"

Hello list, I think I have found my Noah Hampson on the 1841 census. He is on the genealogist for 1841 but omitted from ancestry's 1841. The genealogist listed a John Hampson also 65 but it should have read age 35 according to the actual page. John was a block printer. I believe Noah is John's father. They are at Castleton Moor, Salford. I have been searching in vain for a Noah Hampson married to a Mary who are the parents of my Dan Hampson 1804. I have only found a sister for Dan in 1806. I have checked all the usual places but are now at a stand still. Does anyone have any ideas of where to look now. Val Chadwick USA

Looking for any information on (and family) JohnW CROMPTON of Rivington Hall. Bolton Evening News March 24, 1905 THE well-known and respected occupant of Rivington Hall, Mr J. W. Crompton JP, passed away suddenly last night, death being attributable to heart failure. In private circles, and as a Justice of the Peace, he was noted for his kindly disposition, with a marked tendency to leniency. A Liberal in politics, he was ever staunch to the programme of progress and reform and was president of the Westhoughton Division Liberal Association for the years 1891 and 1892. His business interests included ownership of property at Little Lever, a part of which is now occupied by Messrs Potter's chemical works. Derek Crompton crompton@one-name.org London South- East

I was able to get to my local library today and view this. It is not the great holdings you might expect from the title. I will just go back to my library when I want to check things. The coverage is spotty. Michele -----Original Message----- From: Michele Bender [mailto:mishbender@insightbb.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:32 PM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: source question I just found out that my local library has this set in their genealogy department. When I get a chance I will check it out and let you know how it is. Michele From: "Roslyn Macgregor" <tigerrs@ca.inter.net> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] source question Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:26:38 -0400 References: <00da01c66d54$87554270$6500a8c0@michele> I'd like to know the answer, please. Ros in Montreal -----Original Message----- From: Michele Bender [mailto:mishbender@insightbb.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:22 PM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: source question Has anyone used the National Burial Index on CD-Rom - Second Edition 2004? If so, is it worth the money? What percentage of England is covered? Thank you. Michele Bender ______________________________

Hi Anne, Thanks for all those look ups. I have found where the baby, Maria Gryer fits into the family tree. It's interesting that she gives a fathers name, Micheal Swift, on the marriage record. I wonder if he was also the father of Margaret's other children William and James? The Patrick Scott death you found in 1884 is my great great grandfather. He died in the Bolton Union Workhouse. Interestingly that record gives his place of birth as Foxford, Ireland. The best record I have of where the Irish Scotts came from. I visited his grave in Tonge while I was in Bolton. Was there a year date with the baby Patrick Scott who died Sept. 18 of Scarlet Fever? He may be the Patrick Scott who was born in 1854, son of James Scott. Thanks again for your help Anne. I'll sort these Scotts out yet. Joyce On Tuesday, May 9, 2006, at 08:00 AM, pneanne wrote: > Hi Joyce, > > I have had a look at SS. Peter and Paul's records for the baptism of > Mary Alice in 1883. The only one I could find was Maria Gryer born > 26.5.1882 c. 4.6.1882, mother Margaret Gryer, 38 Bk. Andrew Street. > Godparent Helena Pattinon? I checked 1882 to 1884. > > The record showed that she married Robert Ingham on 4.7.1908. > > I found the marriage in St. Patrick's records. > > 4.7.1908 Robert Ingham, 25 Ormerod Street, father James Ingham and > Mariam Grier, 16 Bk. Ormerod Street, father Michael Swift. The > witnesses were William Grier and Margaret Ellen Crook. > > When I was looking at the GRO Index for Patrick Scott, I found some > death records. I checked at SS. Peter and Paul's to see if they were > there. > > 18th September, Patrick Scott, parish, 16 months Scarlet Fever. > > 19th June, 1876 Patrick Scott aged 2, buried 21st June, Cemetery. > > There was another death for a Patrick Scott in the GRO Index, who died > in the September Quarter 1884 Bolton, born 1820. I tried to find this > burial, but the records for SS. Peter and Paul's only seemed to go up > to 1880. > > Best Wishes, > > Anne in Bolton. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Lennard" > <joycelennard@shaw.ca> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCOTT BAPTISMS - ST. PETER AND PAUL'S >

I think this message would have been better directed to an 'old pals' list rather than one dealing with family history. You are obviously not familiar with list etiquette or you would have sought the approval of the list owner before sending this kind of message. If, in the unlikely event of anyone responding to your request, could I please ask you to conduct any future correspondence offlist. Thank-you. List Owner -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006

Can you please contact me, part of my family is the Norris family. My grandfathers brother came from Ireland to Bolton. Fred/Frederick is very much a family name. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <GfPryc@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:58 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Fred Norris > Can anyone tell me about my father's cousin Fred Norris, from Bolton? I > believe he was an Olympic miler. What year did he do this? How old was > he > then? What happened to him? > > Thanks > > Mary > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hello List People I have a relative (Valentine Fidler) who married a Nancy Davidson in the early 1800's, I'm not sure exactly when. Probably after 1806 and before 1814 in Bolton. I know Fidler is a Lancashire name but is anyone able to comment on Davidson? Could it be Irish? Brian Fidler

Hello Martin I'm not too sure of the protocol on this list, but I'm astonished to see that the census for '11 and '21 still exist for Bolton. I see others asking for your help, so I'd be deeply obliged if you could add my FIDLER / FIDDLER surname to your list for searching next time you are able. Brian Fidler Sydney Australia

Thanks so much Anne for your kind and early reply!!! Donna Collinge Martens

Hello Christine Please email me at _GfPry@aol.com_ (mailto:GfPry@aol.com) & I will email back Mary

Hello List, If you recognise the name Torpenhow Open Air School which used to be located on Montgomery Hill in Frankby Wirral from around 1945 to around 1995, then perhaps you were there as a pupil or staff member? If not then perhaps you have a relative, friend or neighbour who was at this school? Anyone who attended Torpenhow as a pupil or staff member is invited to a reunion to be held in June, so if you or anyone you know was there and would be interested in attending this reunion please get in touch with me as soon as possible for more details. Eric Dodman Ottawa Canada

Ooops That should read TYLDESLEY Pamela -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006

Hi I believe Fred Norris was from Tyledesley but was a member of the Bolton Harriers Club. I remember him so it was probably in the 50's.Have you tried Google Pamela -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006

Hello Donna, I eventually found Greenside Lane on the 1901 Census. The street is on the Ashton Under Lyne disc, RG 13/3788 Folio No. 49-61. There was only the Collinge family living at 152 Greenside Lane. As far as I can see there are over 60 houses in Greenside Lane and none of them are shown as farms. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DJMFLAG@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 152 Greenside Lane, Droylsden > My Father Reuben Collinge was born Jan 4, 1901 in Droylesden. At the > time > they lived in a very old big farmhouse. When I was there in 1997 or > 1998, I > had been told that it had just been torn down and a very nice suburb with > brick houses replaced it. > > I think that there might have been other families living in that farm > house. > Would anyone know who the families were? > > Thanking you kindly, Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Excellent - thank you. Mary