On _http://pmsa.cch.kcl.ac.uk/MR/MR-BOL23.htm_ (http://pmsa.cch.kcl.ac.uk/MR/MR-BOL23.htm) it mentions the memorial fund chaired by a T CROMPTON, the former chairman of the Operative Spinners' Association. Can anyone tell me who he was? This is to do with the statue to John FIELDING in 1896. By JWilliam BOWDEN. Secretaries were A HALL and councillor TOOTILL Derek Crompton crompton@one-name.org London South- East

Thanks Martin but where is the excel file located? Karen -----Original Message----- From: Martin Briscoe [mailto:mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006 8:53 AM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Population of Bolten le moors 1831 1841 1851 If you open the EXCEL file, there is a breakdown of 1831 by number of families, dwellings and occupations. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Thanks Valerie. I didn't realise the population was so large. Karen > Does anyone know the population of Bolton Le Moor in 1841? Or the census > years either side of this? > > TIA > > Karen Hi Karen, The closest I have been able to get is 1843 when the population of Great Bolton was 33,609, an increase of 5,310 from 1831. > Valerie

Thanks Martin; it was quiet a huge city for these times. Karen This site has some statistical information from the early censuses http://www.staffs.ac.uk/schools/humanities_and_soc_sciences/census/cen1831.h tm POP1811 POP1821 POP1831 POP1841 POP1851 Leigh 20855 24229 26841 28552 32734 Bolton 53625 66510 83369 97529 114712 Bury 39406 47699 62599 77497 88815 I don't know how they define Bolton Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > Does anyone know the population of Bolton Le Moor in 1841? Or the census > years either side of this?

Hi Valerie, Thanks so much for taking the time to look this up for me. It is very much appreciated. In a sad way it shows they had a life together and he was a caring husband. Thanks again Tina

Hi Sue, Some of the church records show the date of birth and the date of baptism. There was only one date, 15.1.1884, for Thomas Burchall Hart, so I would think it is the baptism date. His godparents were Joannes Thornley and Lilia Thornley. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "slongfield" <slongfield@execulink.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] THOMAS BURCHALL HART > Hi Anne, > Thomas Burchall Hart is my Grandfather. I did not have any info re. his > birth or Baptism. Is this his Baptism record or his birth record? I have > now found the marriage info. and it definitely was West Toronto, Canada. > I will visit the Catholic Archives and check the information when I can > get to Toronto! I wondered who changed or added the information in Bolton? > Interesting!!! > Again, thank you for sending it to me! > Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:12 AM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] THOMAS BURCHALL HART > > >> Hi Sue, >> >> I think you have the birth certificate for Thomas Burchall Hart, father >> Thomas Hart, mother Theresa Hart, nee Burchall on 15.1.1884. I came >> across the church record for the baptism at SS Peter and Paul's and there >> is a note at the bottom of the entry which states that Thomas married >> Amelia Heyes 1910 U.S.A. >> >> I wonder who gave the information to the church and why it says U.S.A. >> and not Canada? >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Anne in Bolton. >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, >> Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 > >

If you open the EXCEL file, there is a breakdown of 1831 by number of families, dwellings and occupations. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Mark & Karen Hodges [mailto:hodgs@bigpond.com] Sent: 09 May 2006 23:40 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Population of Bolten le moors 1831 1841 1851 Thanks Martin; it was quiet a huge city for these times.

Hi Val, I am not very familiar with the Radcliffe/Prestwich area, but they are next door to each other. There could be other children, who are not shown on the IGI. I have found this with some of my families. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "val and dave" <mountain.side@earthlink.net> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Hampson line > Anne, you are amazing but now I'm confused. On LDS it has Dan Hampson ch. > 8 July 1804 Stand Lane New Jerusalemite, Pilkington. I was > told Radcliffe Bridge? Now you have it as Prestwich, can it be the same > place? The dates are right on for Dan and his sister Mary but I didn't > know about a Nathan in 1791. I saw a marriage of a Noah Hampson to a > Betty Horrox, 26 Apr. 1801 Prestwich but dismissed that because > the birth entry was for a Mary. Now in 1841 a Noah Hampson age 65 is > living with a John Hampson which would be about 1806. John has > a son Noah also and I thought perhaps the elder Noah was his father. Dan > Hampson also has a son Noah. That son Noah also has a son Noah. > This Noah married in 1789 can't be the same Noah that is on the census or > they have his age too young. > > I have been in contact with other Hampson researchers and they seem to be > stuck in the late 1700's also. I'm sure somehow we are > connected but for now, can't go back any further. They are William > Hampson 1796, crofter, a Charles in 1781, a Richard in 1782. All > from Bolton. > Thank you for this information and I'll get right on it. Do you think > there are more children between Nathan and Dan?? Val Chadwick > > pneanne wrote: > >> Hello again Val, >> >> I have found a marriage for Noah Hampson to Mary Mather on the 4.1.1789 >> Prestwich. >> >> I did a Family Search on the IGI and the children of Noah Hampson and >> Mary are as follows: >> >> Nathan born about 1791 Prestwich >> Dan c. 8.7.1804 Stand Lane New Jerusalem Prestwich >> Mary c. 2.11.1806 Stand Lane New Jerusalem Prestwich. >> >> Anne in Bolton. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "val and dave" >> <mountain.side@earthlink.net> >> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:50 PM >> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Hampson line >> >> >>> Hello list, I think I have found my Noah Hampson on the 1841 census. He >>> is on the genealogist for 1841 but omitted from ancestry's 1841. >>> The genealogist listed a John Hampson also 65 but it should have read >>> age 35 according to the actual page. John was a block printer. >>> I believe Noah is John's father. They are at Castleton Moor, Salford. I >>> have been searching in vain for a Noah Hampson married to a Mary >>> who are the parents of my Dan Hampson 1804. I have only found a sister >>> for Dan in 1806. I have checked all the usual places but are now at a >>> stand still. Does anyone have any ideas of where to look now. Val >>> Chadwick USA >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >>> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then >>> subscribe to the other. >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: >>> 09/05/2006 >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 > >

Hi Joyce I have found the following census details for 1861, although not the one you are looking for, could this be the Patrick Scott son of James & Mary: RG09/3061, Folio 54, pg 10 Pleasant Street, Haslingden James Scott, Head, Married, 40, Labourer, Ireland Mary Scott, Wife, Married, 30, Ireland Patrick Scott, Son, 8, Haslingden Edward Scott, Son, 3, Haslingden Hugh Scott, Son, 1, Haslingden Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCOTT BAPTISMS - ST. PETER AND PAUL'S > Hi Joyce, > > I had the year written on the paper I took to the library. It was > September Quarter 1855, so I didn't make a note of it when I wrote the > baptism down. Like you say, it is probably the Patrick Scott who was the > son of James. > > Best Wishes, > > Anne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Lennard" <joycelennard@shaw.ca> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:53 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCOTT BAPTISMS - ST. PETER AND PAUL'S > > >> Hi Anne, >> >> Thanks for all those look ups. I have found where the baby, Maria Gryer >> fits into the family tree. It's interesting that she gives a fathers >> name, Micheal Swift, on the marriage record. I wonder if he was also the >> father of Margaret's other children William and James? >> >> The Patrick Scott death you found in 1884 is my great great grandfather. >> He died in the Bolton Union Workhouse. Interestingly that record gives >> his place of birth as Foxford, Ireland. The best record I have of where >> the Irish Scotts came from. I visited his grave in Tonge while I was in >> Bolton. >> >> Was there a year date with the baby Patrick Scott who died Sept. 18 of >> Scarlet Fever? He may be the Patrick Scott who was born in 1854, son of >> James Scott. >> >> Thanks again for your help Anne. I'll sort these Scotts out yet. >> >> Joyce >> On Tuesday, May 9, 2006, at 08:00 AM, pneanne wrote: >> >>> Hi Joyce, >>> >>> I have had a look at SS. Peter and Paul's records for the baptism of >>> Mary Alice in 1883. The only one I could find was Maria Gryer born >>> 26.5.1882 c. 4.6.1882, mother Margaret Gryer, 38 Bk. Andrew Street. >>> Godparent Helena Pattinon? I checked 1882 to 1884. >>> >>> The record showed that she married Robert Ingham on 4.7.1908. >>> >>> I found the marriage in St. Patrick's records. >>> >>> 4.7.1908 Robert Ingham, 25 Ormerod Street, father James Ingham and >>> Mariam Grier, 16 Bk. Ormerod Street, father Michael Swift. The >>> witnesses were William Grier and Margaret Ellen Crook. >>> >>> When I was looking at the GRO Index for Patrick Scott, I found some >>> death records. I checked at SS. Peter and Paul's to see if they were >>> there. >>> >>> 18th September, Patrick Scott, parish, 16 months Scarlet Fever. >>> >>> 19th June, 1876 Patrick Scott aged 2, buried 21st June, Cemetery. >>> >>> There was another death for a Patrick Scott in the GRO Index, who died >>> in the September Quarter 1884 Bolton, born 1820. I tried to find this >>> burial, but the records for SS. Peter and Paul's only seemed to go up to >>> 1880. >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> Anne in Bolton. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Lennard" >>> <joycelennard@shaw.ca> >>> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:32 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCOTT BAPTISMS - ST. PETER AND PAUL'S >>> >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 >> >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hello again Val, I have found a marriage for Noah Hampson to Mary Mather on the 4.1.1789 Prestwich. I did a Family Search on the IGI and the children of Noah Hampson and Mary are as follows: Nathan born about 1791 Prestwich Dan c. 8.7.1804 Stand Lane New Jerusalem Prestwich Mary c. 2.11.1806 Stand Lane New Jerusalem Prestwich. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "val and dave" <mountain.side@earthlink.net> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Hampson line > Hello list, I think I have found my Noah Hampson on the 1841 census. He is > on the genealogist for 1841 but omitted from ancestry's 1841. > The genealogist listed a John Hampson also 65 but it should have read age > 35 according to the actual page. John was a block printer. > I believe Noah is John's father. They are at Castleton Moor, Salford. I > have been searching in vain for a Noah Hampson married to a Mary > who are the parents of my Dan Hampson 1804. I have only found a sister for > Dan in 1806. I have checked all the usual places but are now at a > stand still. Does anyone have any ideas of where to look now. Val > Chadwick USA > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 > >

Hello Val, The Hampson family are on Ancestry at Castleton Moor 8n 1841. They were transcribed as Hamper. I have enlarged the age and it is 35 with a thick line through it. Ancestry have also transcribed his age as 65. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "val and dave" <mountain.side@earthlink.net> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Hampson line > Hello list, I think I have found my Noah Hampson on the 1841 census. He is > on the genealogist for 1841 but omitted from ancestry's 1841. > The genealogist listed a John Hampson also 65 but it should have read age > 35 according to the actual page. John was a block printer. > I believe Noah is John's father. They are at Castleton Moor, Salford. I > have been searching in vain for a Noah Hampson married to a Mary > who are the parents of my Dan Hampson 1804. I have only found a sister for > Dan in 1806. I have checked all the usual places but are now at a > stand still. Does anyone have any ideas of where to look now. Val > Chadwick USA > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 > >

Hi Joyce, I had the year written on the paper I took to the library. It was September Quarter 1855, so I didn't make a note of it when I wrote the baptism down. Like you say, it is probably the Patrick Scott who was the son of James. Best Wishes, Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Lennard" <joycelennard@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCOTT BAPTISMS - ST. PETER AND PAUL'S > Hi Anne, > > Thanks for all those look ups. I have found where the baby, Maria Gryer > fits into the family tree. It's interesting that she gives a fathers name, > Micheal Swift, on the marriage record. I wonder if he was also the father > of Margaret's other children William and James? > > The Patrick Scott death you found in 1884 is my great great grandfather. > He died in the Bolton Union Workhouse. Interestingly that record gives his > place of birth as Foxford, Ireland. The best record I have of where the > Irish Scotts came from. I visited his grave in Tonge while I was in > Bolton. > > Was there a year date with the baby Patrick Scott who died Sept. 18 of > Scarlet Fever? He may be the Patrick Scott who was born in 1854, son of > James Scott. > > Thanks again for your help Anne. I'll sort these Scotts out yet. > > Joyce > On Tuesday, May 9, 2006, at 08:00 AM, pneanne wrote: > >> Hi Joyce, >> >> I have had a look at SS. Peter and Paul's records for the baptism of Mary >> Alice in 1883. The only one I could find was Maria Gryer born 26.5.1882 >> c. 4.6.1882, mother Margaret Gryer, 38 Bk. Andrew Street. Godparent >> Helena Pattinon? I checked 1882 to 1884. >> >> The record showed that she married Robert Ingham on 4.7.1908. >> >> I found the marriage in St. Patrick's records. >> >> 4.7.1908 Robert Ingham, 25 Ormerod Street, father James Ingham and Mariam >> Grier, 16 Bk. Ormerod Street, father Michael Swift. The witnesses were >> William Grier and Margaret Ellen Crook. >> >> When I was looking at the GRO Index for Patrick Scott, I found some death >> records. I checked at SS. Peter and Paul's to see if they were there. >> >> 18th September, Patrick Scott, parish, 16 months Scarlet Fever. >> >> 19th June, 1876 Patrick Scott aged 2, buried 21st June, Cemetery. >> >> There was another death for a Patrick Scott in the GRO Index, who died in >> the September Quarter 1884 Bolton, born 1820. I tried to find this >> burial, but the records for SS. Peter and Paul's only seemed to go up to >> 1880. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Anne in Bolton. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Lennard" <joycelennard@shaw.ca> >> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCOTT BAPTISMS - ST. PETER AND PAUL'S >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 > >

Thank you! I haven't come across those names before. I'll see what I can find! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] THOMAS BURCHALL HART > Hi Sue, > > Some of the church records show the date of birth and the date of baptism. > > There was only one date, 15.1.1884, for Thomas Burchall Hart, so I would > think it is the baptism date. His godparents were Joannes Thornley and > Lilia Thornley. > > Anne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "slongfield" <slongfield@execulink.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] THOMAS BURCHALL HART > > >> Hi Anne, >> Thomas Burchall Hart is my Grandfather. I did not have any info re. his >> birth or Baptism. Is this his Baptism record or his birth record? I >> have now found the marriage info. and it definitely was West Toronto, >> Canada. I will visit the Catholic Archives and check the information when >> I can get to Toronto! I wondered who changed or added the information in >> Bolton? Interesting!!! >> Again, thank you for sending it to me! >> Sue >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> >> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:12 AM >> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] THOMAS BURCHALL HART >> >> >>> Hi Sue, >>> >>> I think you have the birth certificate for Thomas Burchall Hart, father >>> Thomas Hart, mother Theresa Hart, nee Burchall on 15.1.1884. I came >>> across the church record for the baptism at SS Peter and Paul's and >>> there is a note at the bottom of the entry which states that Thomas >>> married Amelia Heyes 1910 U.S.A. >>> >>> I wonder who gave the information to the church and why it says U.S.A. >>> and not Canada? >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> Anne in Bolton. >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >>> For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, >>> Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then >> subscribe to the other. >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 09/05/2006 >> >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

This site has some statistical information from the early censuses http://www.staffs.ac.uk/schools/humanities_and_soc_sciences/census/cen1831.h tm POP1811 POP1821 POP1831 POP1841 POP1851 Leigh 20855 24229 26841 28552 32734 Bolton 53625 66510 83369 97529 114712 Bury 39406 47699 62599 77497 88815 I don't know how they define Bolton Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Valerie Lirakis [mailto:v.lirakis@ntlworld.com] Sent: 09 May 2006 17:45 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Population of Bolten le moors 1831 1841 1851 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark & Karen Hodges" <hodgs@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Population of Bolton le Moors 1831 1841 1851 > Does anyone know the population of Bolton Le Moor in 1841? Or the census > years either side of this?

Hi Anne, Thomas Burchall Hart is my Grandfather. I did not have any info re. his birth or Baptism. Is this his Baptism record or his birth record? I have now found the marriage info. and it definitely was West Toronto, Canada. I will visit the Catholic Archives and check the information when I can get to Toronto! I wondered who changed or added the information in Bolton? Interesting!!! Again, thank you for sending it to me! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] THOMAS BURCHALL HART > Hi Sue, > > I think you have the birth certificate for Thomas Burchall Hart, father > Thomas Hart, mother Theresa Hart, nee Burchall on 15.1.1884. I came > across the church record for the baptism at SS Peter and Paul's and there > is a note at the bottom of the entry which states that Thomas married > Amelia Heyes 1910 U.S.A. > > I wonder who gave the information to the church and why it says U.S.A. and > not Canada? > > Best Wishes, > > Anne in Bolton. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Is there any guilds or trade unions for painters in Bolton in the 1800's? I'd like to see if there is a listing for a Henry Wilson or a Henry Green for around 1860 onwards. My Henry Wilson b. abt. 1834 is always listed as a housepainter, journeyman. He is not with his family in 1871 but I believe he is with a William Hampson also a painter. Henry married a Hampson in 1861. In 1861 a Henry Green b. 1834 is a housepainter living with Noah Hampson B. 1829 a housepainter and also the older brother of Ellen Hampson Wilson. Trying to find information on Henry. He claims his father is Thomas Wilson but I haven't had any luck finding Henry's family. Thanks for any help./ Val chadwick USA

Oops, Sorry Viv, forget that last post, I am only out by a century. LOL Karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark & Karen Hodges" <hodgs@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Population of Bolton le Moors 1831 1841 1851 > Does anyone know the population of Bolton Le Moor in 1841? Or the census > years either side of this? > > TIA > > Karen Hi Karen, The closest I have been able to get is 1843 when the population of Great Bolton was 33,609, an increase of 5,310 from 1831. > Valerie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 08/05/2006

> > I am interested in an Inquest held on the 5th October 1936 for a Margaret > Alice WOODBURN. > > Thanks for any help. > > Tina Hi Tina, Found this today in the BEN dated 5th October 1936: "Ill in Street Wife Dies after Collapse in Town. A verdict of death from natural causes was reached on Margaret Alice Woodburn, 61, of 47 Harold Street, Bolton. Samuel Woodburn, retired spinner, said he and his wife had gone into town about 7 oclock on Saturday. Half an hour later, whilst they were in Bradshawgate, the deceased complained of feeling ill. He took her into a shop where she was given tea and brandy, and afterwards took her home in a taxi. About two hours later she collapsed and was dead when a doctor arrived. Medical evidence showed that death was due to cardiac failure, as a result of fatty degeneration of the heart". Valerie > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 08/05/2006

Anne, you are amazing but now I'm confused. On LDS it has Dan Hampson ch. 8 July 1804 Stand Lane New Jerusalemite, Pilkington. I was told Radcliffe Bridge? Now you have it as Prestwich, can it be the same place? The dates are right on for Dan and his sister Mary but I didn't know about a Nathan in 1791. I saw a marriage of a Noah Hampson to a Betty Horrox, 26 Apr. 1801 Prestwich but dismissed that because the birth entry was for a Mary. Now in 1841 a Noah Hampson age 65 is living with a John Hampson which would be about 1806. John has a son Noah also and I thought perhaps the elder Noah was his father. Dan Hampson also has a son Noah. That son Noah also has a son Noah. This Noah married in 1789 can't be the same Noah that is on the census or they have his age too young. I have been in contact with other Hampson researchers and they seem to be stuck in the late 1700's also. I'm sure somehow we are connected but for now, can't go back any further. They are William Hampson 1796, crofter, a Charles in 1781, a Richard in 1782. All from Bolton. Thank you for this information and I'll get right on it. Do you think there are more children between Nathan and Dan?? Val Chadwick pneanne wrote: > Hello again Val, > > I have found a marriage for Noah Hampson to Mary Mather on the > 4.1.1789 Prestwich. > > I did a Family Search on the IGI and the children of Noah Hampson and > Mary are as follows: > > Nathan born about 1791 Prestwich > Dan c. 8.7.1804 Stand Lane New Jerusalem Prestwich > Mary c. 2.11.1806 Stand Lane New Jerusalem Prestwich. > > Anne in Bolton. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "val and dave" > <mountain.side@earthlink.net> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:50 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Hampson line > > >> Hello list, I think I have found my Noah Hampson on the 1841 census. >> He is on the genealogist for 1841 but omitted from ancestry's 1841. >> The genealogist listed a John Hampson also 65 but it should have read >> age 35 according to the actual page. John was a block printer. >> I believe Noah is John's father. They are at Castleton Moor, >> Salford. I have been searching in vain for a Noah Hampson married to >> a Mary >> who are the parents of my Dan Hampson 1804. I have only found a >> sister for Dan in 1806. I have checked all the usual places but are >> now at a >> stand still. Does anyone have any ideas of where to look now. Val >> Chadwick USA >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then >> subscribe to the other. >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: >> 09/05/2006 >> >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >