At last, after weeks of working on it, I have at last uploaded my latest web page, which is a list of employees (young persons) at Rumworth Spinning Mill, Daubhill, 1884-1902, url http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/rumworthmill.htm This is a treasure trove of information, as it contains the full names of the children, their date of birth, parents' names, date they commenced working at the mill, the date of their school proficiency certificate, and in some cases, the school they attended. There is a lot of data on this page, and consequently it may take a little time to download - patience required! Please check now to see if any of your ancestors are on it, as there are several surnames that regularly crop up on the list, and at least one (McGowan) that has just recently appeared. Valerie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 15/05/2006

Hi Val: You did say you wanted us to send some old pictures, didn't you? I have a couple of pictures that I wanted to know more about, but I put it on the list and no one answered. I'll try and send them to you. Would I be able to find out any information on the photographer T.C. Cosby EA Putney.S.W. at that web site you posted? Thanks a heap Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan

Hi Angie, I found some information for you! Hope it helps! Sue 1861 James Greenhalgh Head Mar. 29 Iron Moulder Bolton Alice " Wife Mar 27 " Martha Ann Daug 5 " Flora " 3 " 1871 40 Poplar St. Little Bolton James Greenhalgh Head Mar 39 Iron Moulder Bolton Alice Wife Mar 37 " Florry Dau 15 Cotton Weaver " Mary E " 13 Scholar " Maria " 3 " " Sarah " 1 " ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Greenhalgh" <> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON]GREENHALGH Grocer > Thank you so much for that - Do you have a year as it was a census entry? > Many thanks Angie > > -----Original Message----- > From: KILCOYELS@aol.com [mailto:KILCOYELS@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 7:30 p.m. > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON]GREENHALGH Grocer > > > > In a message dated 16/05/2006 01:11:12 GMT Daylight Time, > spenbrooklee@msn.com writes: > > who was a grocer in 1888 I don't know > if it was his shop or not, but it was listed as his occupation at the > time > of the death of his father Thomas Greenhalgh. I don't know his wife's > name > yet but he has two children I understand - Jenny born 1889 and A > > Hi Angie > This may be of some use to you:- > 151 Chorley Old Road > Bolton. > James Greenhalgh 49 Grocer > Alice 47 > Florrie 23 Dressmaker > Mary Ellen 16 Cotton Thread Maker > George Peter 8 Scholar. > > Regards > > Jacqui > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Valerie you wrote that Lefley wasn't a common name. Robert lefley was married to Amy Evans...any news a bout her. They lived in Bolton and died about 1831. martha goodrich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Lirakis" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Harrison & Clarkson Bolton > Hi Andrea, > > The only Sarah Harrison I have found on the 1841 is as follows: > Well Street, Little Bolton (HO107/536/1/F.28) > Mary Harrison, 60 > Ann, 25, Upholsterer > Betsey, 125, Dress Maker > Sarah, 15 (no occupation) > > I haven't been able to find Seth Clarkson, only Seth Clerkson, coal miner, > living in Writington, Lancashire (HO107/0526/4/F.13) > > Valerie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Andreafinney@aol.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:20 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Harrison & Clarkson Bolton > > >> Hi All >> > Looking for Clarkson & Harrison Families on Smith Street, Bolton in >> > 1841 - > >> If anyone can help me out on this one temporarily I would be grateful. >> Thanks & Regards >> Andrea >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/2006 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 15/05/2006 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/313 - Release Date: 4/15/2006 > >

Thanks, Anne, this is really good. I had seen the Thomas born to John and Betty in the IGI, but I had nothing that linked him to "my" Thomas. You finding this cluster of Fielding's, all with ages that tie in with births to that couple makes a much more credible link. I've been looking in the IGI and it looks like there are six children that may be attributable to John and Betty;- Ellen 1812 - who you found likely married Thomas Booth Betty 1814 Thomas 1816 - my ancestor, age consistent with everything else I have Hannah 1819 Alice 1821 John 1822 - The one you found and likely the neighbour in 1841 There is also a marriage of John Fielding to a Betty Openshaw on 2 Jan 1811 I think there is a good likely hood that this is a family connection. Interestingly all the baptisms show as St Peter Bolton Le Moors except for John. He appears 3 times, all on 16 June 1822 and two entries show Turton, whilst the third shows St Peter's. My Thomas shows his birth as Little Lever in the 1861 census, so the family may have been in Little Lever in 1816 but in Turton in 1822. I think this piecing together of the story is what fascinates me in researching the family history! Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- Hi again Pete, I have just looked on the IGI and there is an Ellen Fielding c. 19.1.1812 St. Peter's, Bolton, parents John and Betty Fielding, so it looks as though she is the sister of Thomas and John.

Hi Michael, In the book of Memorial Inscriptions for St. Anne's, Turton, a lady has drawn some family trees. There is one for Dionysius Haworth, Cheetham Arms. It shows two children James and Nancy (although) I think there were more. James is shown with a son John who married Matty Rostron. Their children are listed as James born 1801, Peggy born 1802, James born 1803, Mary born 1805, Nancy born 1808 and Alice born 1809. It shows Nancy married William Wood and she succeeded her father at the Cheetham Arms. Their children are shown as Richard, book-keeper at Peter Rothwells, Delph, Dionysius d. 1844, Robert, Mary and Ambrose. This is the Memorial Inscription, which mentions another Dionysius Haworth. In memory of Henry Haworth who died March 9th, 1875 aged 77 years. Also Betty wife of Henry Haworth of Firwood Fold, who died 3.1.1865 in the 72nd year of her age. Also James their son who died 15th May, 1876, aged 40 years. Also Dionysius their son who died 5th June, 1899 aged 65. Also Susannah Haworth daughter of the above who died 6th August, 1910 aged 80 years. As far as I know none of the above are related to my Richard Haworth, Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael.C. Isherwood" <mci3@tutor.open.ac.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] HOWARTH - TURTON > Anne > > Thank you for the data - a bit more for you:- > > Margaret Nuttall is more likely to have been a sister in law to Catherine. > Both Margaret and Dionysius are noted as widowed when they married by > Licence in Bolton (23Oct1769). The licence would be worth rooting out. > (I note that the marriage to Catherine was also by Licence) > > Additional Baptisms of first marriage:- > > James Jul 1757 (IGI) Bolton > John 3 Jan 1759 Turton as all below and from transcripts or microfilm of > PR at SoG > Betty 3 May 1761 > Sarah 29 Aug 1762 > Robert 4 Dec 1764 > Alice 27 Sep 1767 bur 18 Jul 1768 > Catherine 19 Jul 1769 - seems mother died in/soon after childbirth > > Peggy 17 Jun 1771 > Robert 14 Mar 1779 Carpenter when Married Anne Brown in 1797 > Alice 9 Feb 1781 (according to my notes) > > I have not yet seriously tried to build families for the children above. > I would be interested in the Memorial inscription if it holds genealogical > info or anything else of interest on Dionysius. I have been told that he > was a very large man. > > Michael > > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com writes: >>I have a lot of notes about Howarths of Turton. >>Here are some burials at Turton Chapel. >>16.6.1761 John son of Dionysius and Catherine Haworth of Turton >>19.7.1761 Betty d. of Dyonisius and Catherine Haworth of Turton >>28.2.1766 Robert son of Dyonisius and Catherine Haworth of Turton >>18.7.1769 Catherine wife of Dionysius Haworth Turton. (Dionysius Haworth >>m. >>Catherine Nuttall 1756) >>29.1.1780 Richard son of Dionysius and Margaret Howarth, Innkeeper >>(Dionysius Howarth m. Margaret Nuttall 1769, I think she may be >>Catherine's >>sister) >>1.1.1783 Dionysius Howarth, Innkeeper. >>Baptisms >>2.7.1772 Mary dau. of Dionisius and Margaret Haworth, Turton >>29.5.1774 Dionisius son of Dionisius and Margaret Haworth, Turton >>1.10.1775 Richard son of Dionisius and Margaret Haworth, Turton, Innkeeper >>9.2.1780 Alice dau. Dionysius and Margaret Haworth, Turton, Innkeeper >> >>If I remember correctly, there is a memorial inscription, in a book at >>Bolton Library, for Dionysius Howarth who died on 1.1.1783. If you are >>interested, I will have a look the next time I go to the library. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 14/05/2006 > >

Thank you so much Anne, it is really good of you to help me with this. I'm just researching the other leads you gave me on the Fieldings, as it looks like a very positive connection. I wish I was still living in Bolton, as it's quite hard to do research like this remotely with all the records there. Could be worse, I could be in a different timezone too, a so many of our fellow researchers are! Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: 16 May 2006 19:14 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME Hi Pete, i called in the library today to look at the marriage of George Brindle and Mary Butterworth, to see if it gave any clues as to why James Hulme was living with them in 1841 and 1851, but I don't think it does. St. Peter's, Bolton George Brindle, bachelor of this parish and Mary Butterworth, spinster of this parish, married by Banns 24.5.1835. Wit. Thomas Thompson. I also tried to find the baptism of James Hulme at St. Peter's. I checked all of 1834 and up to August in 1835. This is all I had time to do. I will carry on the next time I go to town. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Pete, i called in the library today to look at the marriage of George Brindle and Mary Butterworth, to see if it gave any clues as to why James Hulme was living with them in 1841 and 1851, but I don't think it does. St. Peter's, Bolton George Brindle, bachelor of this parish and Mary Butterworth, spinster of this parish, married by Banns 24.5.1835. Wit. Thomas Thompson. I also tried to find the baptism of James Hulme at St. Peter's. I checked all of 1834 and up to August in 1835. This is all I had time to do. I will carry on the next time I go to town. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton.

Anne, step children were commonly termed `in law` in censuses. I have two examples in Derbyshire. Best Wishes Barbara

Kudos to you for this wonderful work. of course my names aren't there but that doesn't detract from the overall good you have done. Regards, Joyce Stevens -----Original Message----- From: Valerie Lirakis [mailto:v.lirakis@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:04 PM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Valerie's website At last, after weeks of working on it, I have at last uploaded my latest web page, which is a list of employees (young persons) at Rumworth Spinning Mill, Daubhill, 1884-1902, url http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/rumworthmill.htm This is a treasure trove of information, as it contains the full names of the children, their date of birth, parents' names, date they commenced working at the mill, the date of their school proficiency certificate, and in some cases, the school they attended. There is a lot of data on this page, and consequently it may take a little time to download - patience required! Please check now to see if any of your ancestors are on it, as there are several surnames that regularly crop up on the list, and at least one (McGowan) that has just recently appeared. Valerie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 15/05/2006 ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

To Martin, Bob and Anne Thank you each very much for your kind assistance with my inquiry on the Davidson surname and Fidler in the Bolton census. I found your replies most helpful. I have to say that the Bolton list is just about the best I've been on. If any of the listers have relatives who moved to Australia (like me), particularly Van Dieman's Land, I'm your man. Brian Fidler ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au

Thanks, Pat. That certainly makes more sense. Pete -----Original Message----- From: pihough [mailto:pihough@rogers.com] Sent: 16 May 2006 12:03 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Daughter-in-Law Hi Pete, Re your Betsy who was listed as being a daughter-in-law. I don't know whether this will help you but I have found a couple of my ancestors listed this way when in fact they were the step daughter of the head of household and not their daughter-in-law. Regards Pat ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi again Pete, I have just looked on the IGI and there is an Ellen Fielding c. 19.1.1812 St. Peter's, Bolton, parents John and Betty Fielding, so it looks as though she is the sister of Thomas and John. Anne in Bolton.

Hi Pete, I think I have solved the problem of the other Betsy Fielding. On the IGI there is a Betsy c. 22.1.1837, Turton to Ellen Fielding. Sue sent you the information for the 1851 Census, and by this time Ellen has married Thomas Booth. It shows Betsy Fielding aged 14 as 'daughter-in-law'. I think it should be step-daughter. 1851 Club Houses, Turton Thomas Booth head marr. 48 Ag. Lab. Bury Ellen Booth wife 42 Turton Enoch Booth 20 Dyer of Cloth Turton Thomas Booth 18 Blacksmith Turton Isaac Booth 9 Scholar Turton John Booth 8 Scholar Turton Henry Booth 3 Turton Betsey Fielding daughter-in-law 14 Winder of Thread Turton On th 1841 Census next to Betsy Fielding at Club Houses is Thomas Booth and his children. Thomas Booth 35 Ag. Lab. Y Matthew Booth 15 Y James Booth 14 Y William Booth 12 Y Enoch Booth 10 Y Thomas Booth 9 Y I have found the marriage of Thomas Booth in the Dec. Qtr. 1841 Bolton and on the same page is Ellen Fielding. I have been unable to find Ellen Fielding on the 1841 Census. Thomas Fielding was christened at St. Peter', Bolton, Parents John and Betty. There is also a John Fielding b. 1822 Turton, parents John and Betty. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton

Hi Valerie & Derek, The boy in the photograph on the website looks very much like Harry THORNLEY, the grandfather of Chrissie Brooks (nee Thornley) who was born in Bolton but lives in America. I will attempt to get in touch with her, and I'm sure she will be very keen to follow this up. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Valerie Lirakis" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> > New webpage of pix at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery5.htm > featuring the names Jones, McGowan, Hamilton and Thornley. > Valerie

In a message dated 16/05/2006 15:02:03 GMT Daylight Time, angie.greenhalgh@xtra.co.nz writes: Do you have a year as it was a census entry? Many thanks Angie Hi Sorry, forgot to mention, it was the 1881 census Jacqui

Hi Everyone, New webpage of pix at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery5.htm featuring the names Jones, McGowan, Hamilton and Thornley. Valerie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 14/05/2006

My guess is that they are a symbol of England as in the three lions. I don't think they are Chinese lions (a common choice)but suspect they're Victorian-Lanseer type. I suppose they guard the building being either side the main doors, under the canopy. Best Wishes, Barbara

Hi Pete, Re your Betsy who was listed as being a daughter-in-law. I don't know whether this will help you but I have found a couple of my ancestors listed this way when in fact they were the step daughter of the head of household and not their daughter-in-law. Regards Pat

In a message dated 16/05/2006 01:11:12 GMT Daylight Time, spenbrooklee@msn.com writes: who was a grocer in 1888 I don't know if it was his shop or not, but it was listed as his occupation at the time of the death of his father Thomas Greenhalgh. I don't know his wife's name yet but he has two children I understand - Jenny born 1889 and A Hi Angie This may be of some use to you:- 151 Chorley Old Road Bolton. James Greenhalgh 49 Grocer Alice 47 Florrie 23 Dressmaker Mary Ellen 16 Cotton Thread Maker George Peter 8 Scholar. Regards Jacqui