For C & M Calderbank I am the Grandson of Joe and Gertie Walker, formerly of Broad'oth Lane, Harold St and Windermere St. Gertie had a friend called Ester Calderbank, does this ring any bells with you? I Think Ester [or Esther or Hester] had a daughter called Lesley. Ken Walker _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

In a message dated 20/05/2006 22:57:14 GMT Daylight Time, v.lirakis@ntlworld.com writes: in the hope that someone will be able to explain what Grates are Hi Valerie Grates are like drain grid covers but larger, like over a trench. Regards Jacqui Kilcoyne .

Hi Paul. Reference to Salt Pie Row, Bolton map of 1882, shows it off 79 Blackburn Street, (now Deane Road). present location would be between the present University and Joshua Crook Mill.. Salt Pie Row no longer exists. If you remember Bolton, the Regent Cinema was at the end of the street, on Deane Road. C & M Calderbank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Clough" <ml-genealogy@cloughie.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Wills and Historical House Prices > Hi all, > > I just got a will back, (John Markland d1860 on the off chance anyone is > interested) and I've got a few questions: > > 1. Where is Salt Pie Row? I can't see it on a map, though James Riding > said > this in the list: "Salt Pie Yard, located behind the Gypsy's Tent pub on > Red > Lion Brow" - if so where's Red Lion Brow? White Lion Brow I know - my > grandfather was born there - but not Red Lion Brow. > > 2. He leaves a ruck of houses on Salt Pie Row - 4 "double" houses, plus a > place in Spring Gardens and 220 quid to his kids, yet the estate is still > valued at less than £600. Rooting around on the gimpnet reveals that £600 > is > worth £37K now with inflation - that doesn't tie in with 5-9 houses. Am I > missing something? I tried to find a site with historical house price data > but I couldn't, does anyone know of anything? > > Thanks a lot, > > Paul. > ------------ > "Beer - it's not just a breakfast drink!" > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hello everybody I have had several e mails from various people on the list but unfortunately I was unable to access my e mail . After 4 days (as you can imagine) I have rather a lot but I will answer them individually. Thanks Pamela > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006

Hi Anne, Thanks for these - loved them! Valerie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/343 - Release Date: 18/05/2006

These two snippets are from the Bolton Evening News, 19th May, 2006. Although they don't have a Bolton connection they are funny. 'An order has been issued at Longmoor Camp (Hants) that civilians employed in the camp are to salute the officers. Three workmen lined up a day or two ago, and presented arms with their shovels when an officer approached.' 'A man brought up at St. Albans as an incorrigible rogue was proved to have married his aunt. His children are, therefore, his first cousins and he is his own uncle. His grandmother and his mother-in-law are the same person. This combination was felt to be so embarrassing that he was discharged by the Bench.' Anne in Bolton.

Hi re Stanley Jackson, BT phone directory lists 20 plus S. Jacksons , without a address no chance. regards JR ----- Original Message ----- From: <DJMFLAG@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Stanley Jackson > I wonder if someone could look in the Bolton phone book for a Stanley > Jackson. He would be the son of Randall and Phyllis Jackson and grandson of Ellen > (nee Collinge) and John Jackson. He would have been born in 1926, so I don't > know if he is still living. > > Also, there might be other Stanley Jacksons as he might have had a son or > relative named after him. > > Thanking you kindly, I am Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 14/02/2005

Hello Val, I have it on a map, also a picture of the Chapel ( not very good) copy on its way. Regards Maureen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Lirakis" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Marsh surname again Hi Val, I don't think this chapel still exists, though I don't know exactly when it was demolished. Unfortunately it's not marked on the map I have. There has been a lot of redevelopment in this area in recent years. Bolton Archives only have Burials for this church 1827-1853. I will see what I can find out from the Archives. It's possible they may have a picture of it prior to demolition. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "val and dave" <mountain.side@earthlink.net> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Marsh surname again > Hello Valerie and Listers, with a magnifing glass I notice that my > illusive Marshes were married at Folds Road Independent Methodist > Chapel, Little Bolton. I have yet to find the christening of any of their > children on any bmd site. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006 ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Val and Valerie, A2A http://www.a2a.org.uk/about/contributors/125-list.asp lists Folds Road Independent Methodist Chapel, Bolton [1824-1916] - ref. NMXB Folds Road Independent Methodist Church, Bolton [1861-1986] - ref. ZZ/454 for Bolton Archive and Local Studies Service but there's no indication of what the data relates to. I hope that's some help, Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Valerie Lirakis" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> > Hi Val, > I don't think this chapel still exists, though I don't know exactly when > it was demolished. Unfortunately it's not marked on the map I have. There > has been a lot of redevelopment in this area in recent years. Bolton > Archives only have Burials for this church 1827-1853.

Hi Casse, Would it be possible to scan this map to me for my website, then we can all see what it is you mean. Thanks. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassie Thornley" <cassethor@ozemail.com.au> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Map c.1850 > Hi Listers, Is anyone familiar with reading the city maps of c.1850? > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006

Hi Bob, thank you for this information. I followed the links and have e-mailed the archivist. Perhaps there is help out there. I hope, someday, I will be able to pass on all this help I am being given to other new researchers who don't know where to turn next. Val Chadwick USA Bob Thornley wrote: > Hi Val and Valerie, > > A2A > http://www.a2a.org.uk/about/contributors/125-list.asp > lists > Folds Road Independent Methodist Chapel, Bolton [1824-1916] - ref. NMXB > Folds Road Independent Methodist Church, Bolton [1861-1986] - ref. ZZ/454 > for Bolton Archive and Local Studies Service > but there's no indication of what the data relates to. > > I hope that's some help, > Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > > From: "Valerie Lirakis" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> > >> Hi Val, >> I don't think this chapel still exists, though I don't know exactly >> when it was demolished. Unfortunately it's not marked on the map I >> have. There has been a lot of redevelopment in this area in recent >> years. Bolton Archives only have Burials for this church 1827-1853. > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi Barbara, The name Roocroft's immediately brought back memories of going to Balshaw's shop on Morris green Lane as a lad in the 1940s and buying blocks of ROOCROFT'S nougat. We pronounced it 'Nuggit' then but I suppose now I'd say 'Noo-gaa' - and it would pull all the fillings out of my teeth. A bit of Googling produced these references, which I've quoted in full as I had to extract them from the cached results, so they're on the verge of disappearing. The second one says that the factory was in Halliwell, but I seem to remember the wrappers beingI marked either Shevington or Wrightington, Lancashire. 27 March 1998 Roocrofts closes after 98 years A FAMED Bolton sweet factory closed today with the loss of nine jobs... Thursday 28 August 1997: Lucky escape for lift trap worker A BOLTON sweet firm worker had a lucky escape from serious injury when his foot was trapped in a service lift. Firefighters and paramedics were called to the Halliwell factory of Roocrofts (1923) Ltd on Topping Street yesterday to free 17-year-old Gareth Gillibrand. Fireman Mark Chadwick, a trained trauma technician from Bolton North fire station, administered oxygen while his colleagues used hydraulic cutting equipment to free Gareth. Farnworth sub officer Steve Pattyson, said crews from Bolton North, Bolton Central and Farnworth fire stations and paramedics were on the scene within minutes. Gareth was rushed to the Royal Bolton Hospital but was back at his Breightmet home today. Although no bones were broken, his foot was badly bruised in the accident. I hope that's some help, Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "BARBARA WINDER" > Made liquorice for soldiers in the first world war. I have an ancestor who > worked there in 1914. Could anyone tell me more about it, where it was > situated? I was somewhere between Manchester and Bolton. Even better- does > someone know of a list of employees? > Thanks > Barbara

Hi Barbara, In Kelly's Directory for 1924 Roocroft's was listed as a manufacturing confectioners, office address Merehall Street, Bolton. The Works was in Roocroft St. Of course they may have relocated during this time. Bolton Archives have trade directories around the time you're looking at, which may help. Bolton Archives have just 1 matching title, i.e. Confectionary Companies and Food Products : Local Cuttings 1966 - 1996. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA WINDER" <barbara@wonderwinder.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ROOCROFTS FACTORY > Made liquorice for soldiers in the first world war. I have an ancestor who > worked there in 1914. Could anyone tell me more about it, where it was > situated? I was somewhere between Manchester and Bolton. Even better- does > someone know of a list of employees? > Thanks > Barbara > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006

Hi Val, I don't think this chapel still exists, though I don't know exactly when it was demolished. Unfortunately it's not marked on the map I have. There has been a lot of redevelopment in this area in recent years. Bolton Archives only have Burials for this church 1827-1853. I will see what I can find out from the Archives. It's possible they may have a picture of it prior to demolition. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "val and dave" <mountain.side@earthlink.net> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Marsh surname again > Hello Valerie and Listers, with a magnifing glass I notice that my > illusive Marshes were married at Folds Road Independent Methodist > Chapel, Little Bolton. I have yet to find the christening of any of their > children on any bmd site. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006

I wonder if someone could look in the Bolton phone book for a Stanley Jackson. He would be the son of Randall and Phyllis Jackson and grandson of Ellen (nee Collinge) and John Jackson. He would have been born in 1926, so I don't know if he is still living. Also, there might be other Stanley Jacksons as he might have had a son or relative named after him. Thanking you kindly, I am Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan

Made liquorice for soldiers in the first world war. I have an ancestor who worked there in 1914. Could anyone tell me more about it, where it was situated? I was somewhere between Manchester and Bolton. Even better- does someone know of a list of employees? Thanks Barbara

Dear Valerie and List. Thanks, whatever info you can find would be great. I can't help but wondering if this Marsh family is descended from the Rev. George Marsh the Reformation Martyr. I can only find information on Elizabeth Marsh(Betty) chr. 1 May 1822 Bridge Street Wesleyan, Little Bolton. When I do find the family on a census, the ages of family members are always different from the one before. I never did see them in 1851. I would say they were definitely "non conformists". Off hand does anyone know if information is available on the descendents of the Reverend? Very interesting possibility. Thanks a bunch, Val Chadwick USA Valerie Lirakis wrote: > Hi Val, > > I don't think this chapel still exists, though I don't know exactly > when it was demolished. Unfortunately it's not marked on the map I > have. There has been a lot of redevelopment in this area in recent > years. Bolton Archives only have Burials for this church 1827-1853. > > I will see what I can find out from the Archives. It's possible they > may have a picture of it prior to demolition. > > Valerie > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "val and dave" > <mountain.side@earthlink.net> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:23 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Marsh surname again > > >> Hello Valerie and Listers, with a magnifing glass I notice that my >> illusive Marshes were married at Folds Road Independent Methodist >> Chapel, Little Bolton. I have yet to find the christening of any of >> their children on any bmd site. > > > > >

Sorry, previous reply incomplete - should have been Thanks for this, Anne I will need to spend time building my families. Its some 20 years when I did my initial Howarth work and have simply collected data since then. My GreatGtGrandmother, Martha Howarth was a younger sibling of the children below ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com writes: > >James is shown with a son John who married Matty Rostron. Their children >are listed as James born 1801, Peggy born 1802, James born 1803, Mary >born >1805, Nancy born 1808 and Alice born 1809. > Michael

I am trying to locate info on the following; Harry THORNLEY b1898 m 1932 Alice CONROY b 1913 Bolton, Lancs Harry's father was William b 1869 William had 2 grocers shops in Halliwell Rd and lost an arm in the war. Mother was Mary Alice WALSH b 1870 m 1891 Alice's father was John CONROY b Cork Ireland no date Mother Margaret FARREL b 1887 Cork, Ireland emigrated to UK and lived in St Helens. Alfred CHADWICK b 1913 m 1938 Elizabeth TURNER b 1913 Alfreds father was James CHADWICK b 1869 m 1892 Elizabeth Ellen PARTINGTON b 1876 Elizabeths father was Richard no date She also had a brother James William TURNER b1898 who emigrated to Australia. Elizabeth died in approx 1958 I would be grateful for any information Chrissie Brooks

Hi Listers, Is anyone familiar with reading the city maps of c.1850? I'm looking at a map of part of the industrial housing area of Bolton at this time, and note two lines of fine dots running, usually, down the centre or side of streets. One line has a round spots with 'Pump' marked against them, another line has small squares with 'Grate' marked against them. Am I right in assuming that the line with 'Pump' indicates a 'fresh' water course, while the line with 'Grate' indicates an effluent drain? Also would the small squares attached to the outer wall of many houses be the 'privy'? All suggestions gratefully received. cheers, Cassie