Hi I was wondering if anyone knows any thing about the Fitton Houses in Lever Street. They keep cropping up in my family. Thanks Tina

Hi Pete, I will check All Saints' Church baptisms from 1832 onwards. They will not have as many as St. Peter's, Bolton. I did find a James Hulme on the IGI c. 31.1.1830 at Bolton le Moors, mother Anne. Although this is a bit early, I will check it to see if it says 'of Halliwell'. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] James Hulme c. 1835 > Hi Anne, I've been re-collating my records about James to try to find more > clues and a thought struck me;- > > In the census' of 1871 and 1881 he gives his age as 35 and 45, which is > why I believed his birth to be 1835/6 > > In the Census of 1861 and on his marriage in 1862 he gives his age as 29 > (both times) which points more to 1832/3 > > Given that you've looked in the baptisms for 1834 to early 1837 and he's > not there, it seems that it would make sense to look earlier (1832/3) > rather than continue on going later? > > Cheers, Pete > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > >

Hi Perle, I have noticed on the 1901 Census that Dan's wife is Hannah born Oldham and they have a son Frederick aged 22. On the 1881 Census there is a John Bentley with a wife Hannah born Oldham and a son Frederick aged 2. It states all the family were born in Oldham. Is there any chance that this is Dan and they have written him down as John. Just a thought. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perle" <benbrook@lm.net.au> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1881 census > >> Can you give us some idea of his age? Jane > > Hello Jane. > > Thanks for your reply. > > On his birth certificate he was born December 5th 1853 in the district of > Pilkington. > > Regards. > > Perle Brooking. > Younghusband. South Australia. > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > >

Hi Anne, I've been re-collating my records about James to try to find more clues and a thought struck me;- In the census' of 1871 and 1881 he gives his age as 35 and 45, which is why I believed his birth to be 1835/6 In the Census of 1861 and on his marriage in 1862 he gives his age as 29 (both times) which points more to 1832/3 Given that you've looked in the baptisms for 1834 to early 1837 and he's not there, it seems that it would make sense to look earlier (1832/3) rather than continue on going later? Cheers, Pete

Hello Perle, I think I have looked for Dan before in 1881, without success. I have just had another good look and the only Daniel Bentley in the country, born about the same time as yours, was one living in Manchester in 1881. He was a Police Constable, born 1854 Stalybridge, Cheshire. Could your Dan have been away in the army? Best Wishes, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perle" <benbrook@lm.net.au> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1881 census > >> Can you give us some idea of his age? Jane > > Hello Jane. > > Thanks for your reply. > > On his birth certificate he was born December 5th 1853 in the district of > Pilkington. > > Regards. > > Perle Brooking. > Younghusband. South Australia. > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > >

Thank you so much Jacqui - This looks to be right - Off to do more research. Kind regards Angie -----Original Message----- From: KILCOYELS@aol.com [mailto:KILCOYELS@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 7:30 p.m. To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON]GREENHALGH Grocer In a message dated 16/05/2006 01:11:12 GMT Daylight Time, spenbrooklee@msn.com writes: who was a grocer in 1888 I don't know if it was his shop or not, but it was listed as his occupation at the time of the death of his father Thomas Greenhalgh. I don't know his wife's name yet but he has two children I understand - Jenny born 1889 and A Hi Angie This may be of some use to you:- 151 Chorley Old Road Bolton. James Greenhalgh 49 Grocer Alice 47 Florrie 23 Dressmaker Mary Ellen 16 Cotton Thread Maker George Peter 8 Scholar. Regards Jacqui ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hello BOOTH Charles (aged 57yrs in 1841 Preston) BOOTH Alice nee FIELDING (aged 50 yrs in 1841 Preston) Married : 1807 St Peter's Church, Bolton-Le-Moors. Witnesses: ORRELL James ORRELL William. BOOTH William (aged 60 yrs in 1841 Preston) BOOTH Alice (aged 55 yrs in 1841 Preston) nee RAWLINSON. Married : 1810 Preston Witnesses : BOOTH Charles RAWLINSON James. BOOTH James b. 1807 Turton (s.o. Charles BOOTH). BOOTH Mary formerly ROTHWELL nee RAWLINSON - born 1796 Preston. Married : 1830 at Preston. Witnesses : BOOTH William. RAWLINSON Ellen. I'm trying to tie together Charles & William BOOTH - although the Bolton connection might be through Alice FIELDING. If anyone could help, I'd be very grateful. Kind regards Annie (Thailand)

Thanks Anne, the mystery deepens then! There is some variability in his age but it seems centred around the dates you've looked at so I don't know what is happening! I think I mentioned earlier that his marriage certificate to Elizabeth Kay says it was a catholic church (St. Maries Chapel), though I assume this was because of her religion, there's no other catholic in my family as far as I have found. I suppose it's possible he was a catholic though? I still don't have any link to Brindle or Butterworth. I think I've found the parents of Mary Butterworth, who married George Brindle, her mother was Alice, which fits with the mother in law in the census records you found. Her father was Abraham. As far as I can find Mary was their only child, which blows my theory that James Hulme might have been her sister's son. I'm struggling with George Brindle, as there seem to be a few who would fit, so I can't hunt for sisters who became Hulmes. I'll keep on working at this. Thanks again for all the help you've been and the effort you are putting in to help me out. Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: 22 May 2006 12:06 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] James Hulme c. 1835 Hi Pete, First of all F.S. is Female Servant. I have been back to the library to carry on looking for the baptism of James Hulme at St. Peter's. I have now done all of 1834 and up to the end of January, 1837. There were no James' with a father James, born Halliwell, and there were no James' with a single mother, who would fit yours. I also looked at Deane Church records, as Halliwell was in the parish of Deane. There was a Mary Ann Hulme baptised on the 19.4.1835, the daughter of Joseph and Jane Hulme, Halliwell, weaver. I wonder if Joseph Hulme is related to the parent/parents of James? I have just looked at my Bolton Library handbook and they were doing baptisms at All Saints' Church, Little Bolton at the time your James was born, so I will have a look at these records the next time I go to town. When I looked at a fairly old Bolton A-Z there was only a Cross Street in Turton showing. I have now looked at a 1908 Ordnance Survey Map of Bolton North, which is not indexed, but I have managed to find Cross Street in Little Bolton. It crosses Hulme Street. My grandmother was born a Brindle. My Brindles originated in the Lostock area of Bolton, moving to Chorley, Preston, Halliwell and ending up in Farnworth. It is a pity the Brindle that James Hulme is living with in 1841 and 1851 is not related to me. I will get back to you when I have looked at the All Saints' records. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] James Hulme c. 1835 > Hi Anne, I've been looking at the James Hulme information you gave me, and > I've looked it up in the 1851 census (I don't have an 1841). I still don't > really know what to think about this. > > Firstly Cross Street really is Little Bolton and not Turton, it runs (or > ran) off Kay Street, parallel to Turton Street and so is a more reasonable > fit with James' birth in Halliwell. The age bothers me, as it's a bit too > old, but of course his age does vary with the other records I have found. > This James is definitely a possible. > > I'm going to see if I can make any connection with the Butterworth or > Brindle names (mostly the former) as guess he MUST be connected to the > family he's living with. > > By the way, you had the letters F.S next to Alice Butterworth in 1841, > what does that mean? > > Cheers, Pete Hulme > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

To "Maureen Marsh" <maureen@heymar.fsnet.co.uk> Thanks for the note regarding the book by Raymond Hargreaves. I did enjoy it. Was that the name of the book or the chapter? VICTORIAN YEARS, > BOLTON 1850-1860. > >Bolton Chronicle 11 June 1853 >Thanks again. Maxine

Thank you Valerie for the photograph of Harry Thornley. Sorry but it isn't the one I worked with . Pamela -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006

thanks anyway Ken > From: marlin.2817@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] info if possible> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:29:36 +0100> To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Ken, I am afraid we have no Esther on our family tree.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ken walker" <kwalker17@msn.com>> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:28 PM> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] info if possible> > > > For C & M Calderbank> >> > I am the Grandson of Joe and Gertie Walker, formerly of Broad'oth Lane, > > Harold St and Windermere St.> > Gertie had a friend called Ester Calderbank, does this ring any bells with > > you?> > I Think Ester [or Esther or Hester] had a daughter called Lesley.> >> > Ken Walker> > _________________________________________________________________> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!> > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> >> >> > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====> > For Fam! ily/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming.> >> > ==============================> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months.> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other.> > ==============================> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more:> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hi Annie I am very interested in your Booth's. I am trying to get my husband's Booth line further back and the ancestor we have with definitive information is John Booth, b. 11 Dec 1742 in Edgeworth, Gloucestershire, England, d. Bet. 1764 - 1826 in England m. 17 Apr 1759, Lancashire, England Alice Viccars, b. Bet. 1715 - 1742, Bolton le Moors Parish, Lancashire, England, d. Bet. 1764 - 1832 in England Children: Thomas Richard Alice Betty Margaret John S., b. 1773, Bolton le Moors Parish, Lancashire, England, d. 09 Sep 1838, Lee County, Iowa (our line) m. 04 Jan 1802, Bolton, Lancashire, England Sarah Scowcroft, b. 12 Nov 1782, Lancashire, England, d. 02 Sep 1847, Farmington, Van Buren, Iowa Children: Mary, John, Alice I, Sarah I, Sarah II, Richard, Elizabeth, Luke, Robert, Alice II, Esquire (all born in Harwood Lea, Bolton, Lancashire, England) If anyone has information on this family and collateral lines it would be greatly appreciated. I believe there were Scowcrofts still in Harwood in the 1960's and Booth's around the 1920's. Thank you, Jan Buker Castle Rock, Washington, USA -----Original Message----- From: Rosie [mailto:rosie1@cscoms.com] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:47 AM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BOOTH - FIELDING - ORRELL Hello BOOTH Charles (aged 57yrs in 1841 Preston) BOOTH Alice nee FIELDING (aged 50 yrs in 1841 Preston) Married : 1807 St Peter's Church, Bolton-Le-Moors. Witnesses: ORRELL James ORRELL William. BOOTH William (aged 60 yrs in 1841 Preston) BOOTH Alice (aged 55 yrs in 1841 Preston) nee RAWLINSON. Married : 1810 Preston Witnesses : BOOTH Charles RAWLINSON James. BOOTH James b. 1807 Turton (s.o. Charles BOOTH). BOOTH Mary formerly ROTHWELL nee RAWLINSON - born 1796 Preston. Married : 1830 at Preston. Witnesses : BOOTH William. RAWLINSON Ellen. I'm trying to tie together Charles & William BOOTH - although the Bolton connection might be through Alice FIELDING. If anyone could help, I'd be very grateful. Kind regards Annie (Thailand) ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi Pete, I forgot to mention that I made a note of some Hulme baptisms at St. Peter's. You may want to keep them on file. Ellen d. Mary Hulme, spinster, Little Bolton 5.20.1836. Abraham Hulme s. William and Betty Hulme, collier, Little Bolton. This is Abraham Brindle's baptism - Abraham Butterworth Brindle son of George and Mary Brindle, spinner, Little Bolton 21.2.1836. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] James Hulme c. 1835 > Hi Anne, I've been looking at the James Hulme information you gave me, and > I've looked it up in the 1851 census (I don't have an 1841). I still don't > really know what to think about this. > > Firstly Cross Street really is Little Bolton and not Turton, it runs (or > ran) off Kay Street, parallel to Turton Street and so is a more reasonable > fit with James' birth in Halliwell. The age bothers me, as it's a bit too > old, but of course his age does vary with the other records I have found. > This James is definitely a possible. > > I'm going to see if I can make any connection with the Butterworth or > Brindle names (mostly the former) as guess he MUST be connected to the > family he's living with. > > By the way, you had the letters F.S next to Alice Butterworth in 1841, > what does that mean? > > Cheers, Pete Hulme > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > >

Hi Pete, First of all F.S. is Female Servant. I have been back to the library to carry on looking for the baptism of James Hulme at St. Peter's. I have now done all of 1834 and up to the end of January, 1837. There were no James' with a father James, born Halliwell, and there were no James' with a single mother, who would fit yours. I also looked at Deane Church records, as Halliwell was in the parish of Deane. There was a Mary Ann Hulme baptised on the 19.4.1835, the daughter of Joseph and Jane Hulme, Halliwell, weaver. I wonder if Joseph Hulme is related to the parent/parents of James? I have just looked at my Bolton Library handbook and they were doing baptisms at All Saints' Church, Little Bolton at the time your James was born, so I will have a look at these records the next time I go to town. When I looked at a fairly old Bolton A-Z there was only a Cross Street in Turton showing. I have now looked at a 1908 Ordnance Survey Map of Bolton North, which is not indexed, but I have managed to find Cross Street in Little Bolton. It crosses Hulme Street. My grandmother was born a Brindle. My Brindles originated in the Lostock area of Bolton, moving to Chorley, Preston, Halliwell and ending up in Farnworth. It is a pity the Brindle that James Hulme is living with in 1841 and 1851 is not related to me. I will get back to you when I have looked at the All Saints' records. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] James Hulme c. 1835 > Hi Anne, I've been looking at the James Hulme information you gave me, and > I've looked it up in the 1851 census (I don't have an 1841). I still don't > really know what to think about this. > > Firstly Cross Street really is Little Bolton and not Turton, it runs (or > ran) off Kay Street, parallel to Turton Street and so is a more reasonable > fit with James' birth in Halliwell. The age bothers me, as it's a bit too > old, but of course his age does vary with the other records I have found. > This James is definitely a possible. > > I'm going to see if I can make any connection with the Butterworth or > Brindle names (mostly the former) as guess he MUST be connected to the > family he's living with. > > By the way, you had the letters F.S next to Alice Butterworth in 1841, > what does that mean? > > Cheers, Pete Hulme > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > >

Hi: I am looking for the children of John and Ellen (nee Collinge) Jackson. Their first child was Alice c 1896, Randall c. 1898, John Arnold c. 1901. Randall married Phyllis Brooks in 1925 and they died in 1992 and 1993 respectively. Their children were Stanley c 1926 and deceased, Edith b 1927, Fred b 1929 and John b. 1931. I have been to the Bolton area 5 times and have never found any living Collinge's I would like to get acquainted with them if any are still living and maybe we could share information. Thanks Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan

> Can you give us some idea of his age? Jane Hello Jane. Thanks for your reply. On his birth certificate he was born December 5th 1853 in the district of Pilkington. Regards. Perle Brooking. Younghusband. South Australia.

I didn't see the original post so this may not be of any use at all. The age & location may be wrong, but it may help someone. 1851 Preston Street, Chorley HO107/2263 James Hulme / Head / M / 34 / Warper / Chorley Lancashire Ellen do / Wife / 32 / Power Loom Weaver / do do Eliza Fenton / Niece / 8 / Scholar / do do Robert Cliffe / Lodger / M / 22 / Stripper? in a Factory / Heapy do 1861 Victoria Buildings, Chorley James Hulme / Head /M / 46 / Beer Seller & .....? / Chorley Lancahsire Ellen do / Wife / M / 42 / Cotton Factory Worker / do do Elizabeth Wilkinson / Mother in Law / Wid / 69 / Servant (general) / do do Eliza Fenton / Niece / U / 19 / Cotton Factory Weaver / do do By 1871 the above niece has a son, James Hulme Fenton age 7.

Jonathan, had a look on rootsweb and found a John Ball getting married to a Mary Alice Barlow.Vol 8c page 702 2nd quarter 1898 Bolton. Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonathan ball" <itsbally@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] long shot...Maiden name req'd > Hi > > I'm trying to find the maiden name of Mary, wife of John Ball and mother > of Gilbert (aged 1)who appears in the census of 1901 residing at 150, > Okenbottom road, Bolton. The only information i can offer is that mary was > born in Bolton around 1875. > > Of course i appreciate this is not much information but If anyone can help > thus saving me the fee for a copy of Gilbert's birth certificate i would > be eternally grateful. > > Regards > > Jonathan Ball. > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi all. Well five of you replied with the maiden name i am (or should i say was ?) looking for!. I'm chuffed to bits. Many,many thanks. Jonathan.

Hi Jonathan, I've a BALL family who lived in Golborne, many of the children moved to Bolton, do you much about your John's parents? cheers, Cassie On 22/05/2006, at 6:17 AM, jonathan ball wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to find the maiden name of Mary, wife of John Ball and > mother of Gilbert (aged 1)who appears in the census of 1901 > residing at 150, Okenbottom road, Bolton. The only information i > can offer is that mary was born in Bolton around 1875. > > Of course i appreciate this is not much information but If anyone > can help thus saving me the fee for a copy of Gilbert's birth > certificate i would be eternally grateful. > > Regards > > Jonathan Ball. > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, > Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >