Hi Anne, just poking around in the IGI, looking at your Anne Hulme idea and found an Anne Holme who died in 1837 buried 23 Feb 1837. Her husband was James Holme. Now a couple of questions, if a mother is listed on a birth with no father, does that always mean a bastard, or could it be a married woman whose husband was away (or dead) at the time of baptism? Could this be the mother of the 1830 James, with the father dying or leaving and then the mother dying in 1837 and the son being "fostered" by the Brindles. Does this idea make any sense? Pete

Oh Boy, there's an interesting one. Lets see what this tells us;- If James aged 25 is the head and Elizabeth, aged 35 is his wife and Joseph (3) and Elizabeth (2) are their children ,as seems likely, then the others are in his household either permanently or temporarily, otherwise you'd expect William (60) to be the head. Be interesting to know why they were with James Assuming William and Alice (60) to be the parents of James (25) then we might assume that the others (Alice (30) and Ann (25)) are their children and siblings of James (25). Samuel (15) is odd because he's a bit young to be William's son and a bit old to be his grandson. Looking at Anne, if she were the mother of the 1830 James, she'd have been about 14 at his birth, not impossible but not very likely either. Assuming Anne was the mother, I would expect James to be with her in 1841, but he could have been visiting the Brindles, it's hard to come up with a scenario that describes why James would be at the Brindles in both 1841 and 1851 unless he was fostered (or similar) by them, or was the son of the wife, though we think she was Butterworth. I would have thought it more likely that there was another Anne, mother of James, who died but who had some connection to the Brindles or Butterworths? Of course it could be that Anne is the mother and gave her baby over to the Brindle / Butterworth family for some reason (maybe George Brindle was the father???) Hard to know what to think, really, I'll keep looking and trying to fit the pieces together. Thanks for the ideas, it all helps to paint a picture. Confused! Pete -----Original Message----- From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: 25 May 2006 17:05 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME Hi Pete, I have been trying to find a baptism for Anne Hulme, the mother of James christened in 1830, to try to eliminate them. There was an Ann Holme c. 14.1.1816 Bolton le Moors to William Holme and Alice Wright. I think this is the family on the 1841 Census in Dawson Lane, Little Bolton. James Hulme 25 Comb Manufacturer Born in County Elizabeth Hulme 35 Born in County Joseph Hulme 5 Born in County Elizabth Hulme 2 Born in County William Hulme 60 Mop maker Born in County Alice Hulme 60 Born in County Alice Hulme 30 Born in County Ann Hulme 25 25 Cotton Tenter Born in County Samuel Hulme 15 Ap. Comb maker Born in County If Ann aged 25 is the Anne Hulme, mother of James christened in 1830, where is James. I know it is a long shot and the age is a bit out, but could he be the one lodging with the Brindles in 1841 and 1851. What do you think?

Hi Pete, I have been trying to find a baptism for Anne Hulme, the mother of James christened in 1830, to try to eliminate them. There was an Ann Holme c. 14.1.1816 Bolton le Moors to William Holme and Alice Wright. I think this is the family on the 1841 Census in Dawson Lane, Little Bolton. James Hulme 25 Comb Manufacturer Born in County Elizabeth Hulme 35 Born in County Joseph Hulme 5 Born in County Elizabth Hulme 2 Born in County William Hulme 60 Mop maker Born in County Alice Hulme 60 Born in County Alice Hulme 30 Born in County Ann Hulme 25 25 Cotton Tenter Born in County Samuel Hulme 15 Ap. Comb maker Born in County If Ann aged 25 is the Anne Hulme, mother of James christened in 1830, where is James. I know it is a long shot and the age is a bit out, but could he be the one lodging with the Brindles in 1841 and 1851. What do you think? Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Catholics in Bolton 19th Century > Hello again, Anne. I really cannot thank you enough for the amount of > effort you've put into this to try to help me. I really do appreciate > the work you've put into checking all these records. > > I'm at a bit of a loss to know what to do now, I have James back to the > 1861 census, claiming to have been born in Halliwell / Bolton but not > appearing in the 1851 or 1841 census, nor apparently having any record > of his birth / baptism. I could understand one missing record, but not > three. > > I guess I'll have to go off and have a BIG think about this! > > Cheers, Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 24 May 2006 17:28 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Catholics in Bolton 19th Century > > Hi Pete, > > I have now checked the baptisms for St. Peter's, Bolton, at the > archives, > for 1832 and 1833, but could not find a James Hulme. I have gone > through > hundreds of names from 1832 to 1837 inclusive, so there is a possibility > I > have missed him. > > I have also checked the baptisms at All Saints and St. George's, without > > success. > > The only Catholic Church in Bolton performing baptisms in the 1830's was > St. > Peter and St. Paul. I have checked the records from 1831 to 1837 > inclusive > and there were no Hulmes. The writing was hard to read, but I don't > think I > missed any. > > I checked the baptism record for James Hulme c. 31.1.1830, mother Anne, > but > the place was Great Bolton and not Halliwell. > > Kind regards, > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 24/05/2006 > >

Hello again, Anne. I really cannot thank you enough for the amount of effort you've put into this to try to help me. I really do appreciate the work you've put into checking all these records. I'm at a bit of a loss to know what to do now, I have James back to the 1861 census, claiming to have been born in Halliwell / Bolton but not appearing in the 1851 or 1841 census, nor apparently having any record of his birth / baptism. I could understand one missing record, but not three. I guess I'll have to go off and have a BIG think about this! Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: 24 May 2006 17:28 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Catholics in Bolton 19th Century Hi Pete, I have now checked the baptisms for St. Peter's, Bolton, at the archives, for 1832 and 1833, but could not find a James Hulme. I have gone through hundreds of names from 1832 to 1837 inclusive, so there is a possibility I have missed him. I have also checked the baptisms at All Saints and St. George's, without success. The only Catholic Church in Bolton performing baptisms in the 1830's was St. Peter and St. Paul. I have checked the records from 1831 to 1837 inclusive and there were no Hulmes. The writing was hard to read, but I don't think I missed any. I checked the baptism record for James Hulme c. 31.1.1830, mother Anne, but the place was Great Bolton and not Halliwell. Kind regards,

I have found the names Hulme and Holme are often switched in records, so it's worth considering the possibility. I've found about half are one way and half the other in my records. I'm still not sure which is correct, but I'm leaning toward the birth records being the most accurate. Good luck, Linda

Thanks Barb, those dates will certainly help. Pauline >From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCHOFIELD, Hannah and Mr. & Mrs. R. >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:41:52 -0400 > >I just realized that I didn't give any dates of births etc. > >Edward McIntyre b. July 1889, Mawdesley, Lancashire >Sarah (Hutchinson) McIntyre b. 1879, Penrith, Cumberland >Marriage April 11, 1911, Wigan, Lancashire > >Children >Arthur, b. Sept 1911, Wigan >John, b. Oct 1912, Wigan >Nora b. Jan 1915, Wigan [my Mom] >Edward b. May 1916 [known as Teddy],Wigan >Alexander b. July 1926, Ontario, Canada. > >I have taken a guess that the photos are circa 1920s; some of the sheet >music are of that era as well. > >Some day, when the story of Hannah Schofield is solved, I will tackle a >photo of "Nora Darlington and her husband" ???? >Another mystery . > >Barb. > > > > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then >subscribe to the other. > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Play Music Trivia for your chance to win 2 VIP tickets to the 2006 Splendour in the Grass festival at Byron Bay. Go now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=690&referral=hotmailtagline&URL=http://competitions.ninemsn.com.au/treasurehunt/hunt15.asp

> I have noticed on the 1901 Census that Dan's wife is Hannah born Oldham > and > they have a son Frederick aged 22. > > On the 1881 Census there is a John Bentley with a wife Hannah born Oldham > and a son Frederick aged 2. It states all the family were born in Oldham. > Is there any chance that this is Dan and they have written him down as > John. Hello Anne. Thanks for your email. I don't think this can be the case as I have Hannah & children with her parents, William & Sarah LEES on the 1881 census. I can find Dan with his parents on the 1861 & 1871 census, then again with Hannah & children in 1891 & 1901, he is just missing from the 1881 census. Again thanks for taking the time to look for him. Regards. Perle Brooking. Younghusband. South Australia.

Thankyou very much Barb! What a lovely mystery. As the photo's are relatively recent I can't immediately say they are of anyone in my family, so will need to do some digging. In the meantime it was good of you to post the photo's in a few places, and I hope you get some answers to your mystery Schofields. I will do that digging, and will get back to you regardless of the outcome. Warm regards, Pauline >From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCHOFIELD, Hannah and Mr. & Mrs. R. >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 20:59:49 -0400 > >Hello Pauline Davy in Oz !!! > >Nice to hear from you. Here is my little story about Hannah >Schofield................... > >My Mother, Nora (McIntyre)Sargeant was born in Wigan. Her father was >Edward McIntyre; her mother was Sarah (Hutchinson) McIntyre. Her brothers >were Arthur / Edward (known as Teddy) / John / and Alexander (who was born >in Canada). > >Mom (Nora) and all her family came to Canada in 1926. Nora married Lewis >James Sargeant; my sister Sarah Louise was born 1935, and then I was born >1939. > >When my Mom (Nora) died in 1990, in amongst all the photos and clippings >she had saved, were three photos labelled "H. Schofield" / "Hannah >Schofield / and "Hannah Schofield and parents, Mr. and Mrs. R. Schofield". > >One photo was Hannah sitting in a field with a puppy in her lap / one photo >was Hannah with her parents, Mr. & Mrs. R. Schofield / one photo was >Hannah's wedding photo with Bride / Groom / Best Man / Maid of Honour. > >You can view these photos at > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery2.htm > >I also found a fairly large package of sheet music, three of which were >labelled "H. Schofield / and "Hannah Schofield, 142 Sapling Road, Daubhill, >Bolton". > >I have no idea how Hannah Schofield fits into my family, although I can >remember as a child hearing my Mom saying something about Hannah. Probably >this is when she was talking to my Grandpa, Edward McIntyre. But, that is >all I can recall. > >So, I have posted these photos in numerous places on the web, hoping to >find out about Hannah, and in particular, how she fit into my family in >England. > >If, by chance, Valerie has removed the photos from her web site, let me >know. I have them here, and could easily scan and send to you. > >All the best >Barb, Ontario, Canada. > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton >and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT

Hi Barb, Sorry if I'm butting in, or have spoken to you before, but the Schofield/Scholefields are one of my main tree's, and originate from all around the Eng-Lan-Bolton area. My g.g.grandfather was Richard Scholefield who married an Elizabeth Smith - in fact I have just received their marriage certificate. From your email to Valerie, it appears there is a web site for the Schofield's, which I would love to visit. Hoping to hear from you, Warm regards, Pauiline in Oz >From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SCHOFIELD, Hannah and Mr. & Mrs. R. >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:49:47 -0400 > >Hello Valerie: Thanks so much for posting the Hannah SCHOFIELD photos and >information on your web site. I have had many inquiries, but so far.....no >match. > >Recently I have been contacted [on another list] because of a posting I had >made 3-1/2 yrs. ago. This contact is the Great Grandaughter of the son of >my Great Great Grandfather !! So...as the saying goes "you never know". > >However, if you need the space on your website, please remove what you need >to remove !! If it is possible to leave just one photo on, then I think >the photo of Hannah with her parents Mr. and Mrs. R. SCHOFIELD would be the >best. Would it be too much trouble for you to add Hannah's address, 142 >Sapling Road, Daubhill, Bolton, at the bottom of the description beside her >parents ?? > >What you do for this list is simply amazing; My thanks to you. > >Barb, Ontario, Canada. > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then >subscribe to the other. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT

Hi again Bob, I have found a marriage for Edmond Baines on the IGI. He married a Jane. Their eldest daughter was Betty born 1809 Dent. There is a marriage for an Elizabeth Baines to Robert Banton on 30.9.1827 at St. Peter's, Bolton. The Edward Banton living with Edmond Baines in 1861 must be their son. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BANTON BAPTISM > Hi Bob, > > I have been looking for Henry and Edward in 1841 and 1851, but so far I > can't find them. > > Have you got Edward in 1861? There is an Edward Banton, Un. 32 Servant, > born Bolton. He is living at Dent and is shown as the grandson of Edmond > Baines, 73, born Dent. > > Kind regards, > > Anne in Bolton. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Thornley" <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BANTON BAPTISM > > >> Hi Anne, >> Thanks for passing this on, I didn't have it. >> >> I wonder if the father was Henry b.1810, brother of my 3G-grandmother >> Mary Ann BANTON? I haven't yet been able to find a Henry BANTON or an >> Edward BANTON on the 1841 or 1851 census. More research needed. >> >> As it happens, I went to Mere Hall this afternoon and bought her son >> Anthony PRATT's 1876 death certificate, and found that she's the >> informant, but now called Ann GOODRAM. Another mystery. >> >> Thanks again, and all the best. >> Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton >> >> From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> >>> I made a note today of the following Banton baptism. You probably >>> already have it. >>> St. Peter's, Bolton >>> c. 7.4.1833 Edward son of Henry and Jane Banton, baker, Great Bolton. >>> Kind regard, Anne in Bolton. >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 23/05/2006 >> >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 23/05/2006 > >

Hi Bob, I have been looking for Henry and Edward in 1841 and 1851, but so far I can't find them. Have you got Edward in 1861? There is an Edward Banton, Un. 32 Servant, born Bolton. He is living at Dent and is shown as the grandson of Edmond Baines, 73, born Dent. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Thornley" <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BANTON BAPTISM > Hi Anne, > Thanks for passing this on, I didn't have it. > > I wonder if the father was Henry b.1810, brother of my 3G-grandmother Mary > Ann BANTON? I haven't yet been able to find a Henry BANTON or an Edward > BANTON on the 1841 or 1851 census. More research needed. > > As it happens, I went to Mere Hall this afternoon and bought her son > Anthony PRATT's 1876 death certificate, and found that she's the > informant, but now called Ann GOODRAM. Another mystery. > > Thanks again, and all the best. > Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> >> I made a note today of the following Banton baptism. You probably >> already have it. >> St. Peter's, Bolton >> c. 7.4.1833 Edward son of Henry and Jane Banton, baker, Great Bolton. >> Kind regard, Anne in Bolton. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 23/05/2006 > >

Hi Anne, Thanks for passing this on, I didn't have it. I wonder if the father was Henry b.1810, brother of my 3G-grandmother Mary Ann BANTON? I haven't yet been able to find a Henry BANTON or an Edward BANTON on the 1841 or 1851 census. More research needed. As it happens, I went to Mere Hall this afternoon and bought her son Anthony PRATT's 1876 death certificate, and found that she's the informant, but now called Ann GOODRAM. Another mystery. Thanks again, and all the best. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > I made a note today of the following Banton baptism. You probably already > have it. > St. Peter's, Bolton > c. 7.4.1833 Edward son of Henry and Jane Banton, baker, Great Bolton. > Kind regard, Anne in Bolton.

I just realized that I didn't give any dates of births etc. Edward McIntyre b. July 1889, Mawdesley, Lancashire Sarah (Hutchinson) McIntyre b. 1879, Penrith, Cumberland Marriage April 11, 1911, Wigan, Lancashire Children Arthur, b. Sept 1911, Wigan John, b. Oct 1912, Wigan Nora b. Jan 1915, Wigan [my Mom] Edward b. May 1916 [known as Teddy],Wigan Alexander b. July 1926, Ontario, Canada. I have taken a guess that the photos are circa 1920s; some of the sheet music are of that era as well. Some day, when the story of Hannah Schofield is solved, I will tackle a photo of "Nora Darlington and her husband" ???? Another mystery . Barb.

Hello Pauline Davy in Oz !!! Nice to hear from you. Here is my little story about Hannah Schofield................... My Mother, Nora (McIntyre)Sargeant was born in Wigan. Her father was Edward McIntyre; her mother was Sarah (Hutchinson) McIntyre. Her brothers were Arthur / Edward (known as Teddy) / John / and Alexander (who was born in Canada). Mom (Nora) and all her family came to Canada in 1926. Nora married Lewis James Sargeant; my sister Sarah Louise was born 1935, and then I was born 1939. When my Mom (Nora) died in 1990, in amongst all the photos and clippings she had saved, were three photos labelled "H. Schofield" / "Hannah Schofield / and "Hannah Schofield and parents, Mr. and Mrs. R. Schofield". One photo was Hannah sitting in a field with a puppy in her lap / one photo was Hannah with her parents, Mr. & Mrs. R. Schofield / one photo was Hannah's wedding photo with Bride / Groom / Best Man / Maid of Honour. You can view these photos at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery2.htm I also found a fairly large package of sheet music, three of which were labelled "H. Schofield / and "Hannah Schofield, 142 Sapling Road, Daubhill, Bolton". I have no idea how Hannah Schofield fits into my family, although I can remember as a child hearing my Mom saying something about Hannah. Probably this is when she was talking to my Grandpa, Edward McIntyre. But, that is all I can recall. So, I have posted these photos in numerous places on the web, hoping to find out about Hannah, and in particular, how she fit into my family in England. If, by chance, Valerie has removed the photos from her web site, let me know. I have them here, and could easily scan and send to you. All the best Barb, Ontario, Canada.

Hi Bob, I made a note today of the following Banton baptism. You probably already have it. St. Peter's, Bolton c. 7.4.1833 Edward son of Henry and Jane Banton, baker, Great Bolton. Kind regard, Anne in Bolton.

When I was going throught St. Peter's baptisms today, I came across the following: Sir Sidney baptised 1.1.1832, son of John and Eliza Smith, weaver, Little Bolton. Anyone researching Sir Sidney Smith would probably think they had an aristocrat in the family. There was another unusual one which I found last week, which I have never come across before. 28.2.1835 James, son of James (deceased) and Anne (deceased) Pendlebury, weaver, Great Bolton. I was a bit perplexed until I read the note underneath (said to be 9 years old). Anne in Bolton.

Hi Pete, I have now checked the baptisms for St. Peter's, Bolton, at the archives, for 1832 and 1833, but could not find a James Hulme. I have gone through hundreds of names from 1832 to 1837 inclusive, so there is a possibility I have missed him. I have also checked the baptisms at All Saints and St. George's, without success. The only Catholic Church in Bolton performing baptisms in the 1830's was St. Peter and St. Paul. I have checked the records from 1831 to 1837 inclusive and there were no Hulmes. The writing was hard to read, but I don't think I missed any. I checked the baptism record for James Hulme c. 31.1.1830, mother Anne, but the place was Great Bolton and not Halliwell. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Catholics in Bolton 19th Century > Hi List, I've been searching for a disappearing relative in the 19th > century in Bolton, all the census records say he was born in Bolton > (Halliwell) in the mid 1830's. People on the list have been giving me > enormous help (thanks again, Anne) but we seem to be drawing a blank at > the moment. I'm trying to come up with a new angle of attack and have an > idea, but I don't know how likely my idea is and I was hoping someone on > the list might know, please. > > I've discovered that the missing relative (James Hulme) who married > Elizabeth Kay on 2nd August 1862 was married in a catholic church (St. > Maries (sic) Chapel) and I'm wondering how likely it is that he was a > catholic and whether that would account for why I can't find his birth or > his marriage, or those of his child in the IGI, even though I know the > dates of both marriages and the child's birth? > > Specific questions are;- > > If a couple are married in a catholic church, how likely is it that both > are catholic, or that only the wife was? (I've no idea what the rules are > now or were then) > > If James was born in Halliwell somewhen in the 1830's and was a catholic, > where would he have been baptised? (It can't be St Mary's (Maries) as that > was only built in 1847.) > > Where would catholic records for Bolton for this period be held? Ideally, > does anyone know if copies or transcripts are available on CD or > microfiche, as I'm in the south of England? > > I'm sorry if these are stupid questions, but I know nothing about this > period either what Bolton was like then or what the religious politics > were. I'm very keen to trace this person, as he's my direct ancestor, and > I'm hoping that the catholic marriage might answer some of the nagging > questions as to why I can't find his birth. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Pete Hulme > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 22/05/2006 > >

thanks Valerie.

More pix on view http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery5.htm. Surnames featured are GILLER/LEWIS, and TOMKINSON. Valerie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 23/05/2006

Greetings all, Being new to the list I'd like to ask if anyone is connected to the following lines that I am researching: WILLIAM AND MARY KAY (1841 census lists children as - Elizabeth 20, Alice 15, William 15, Jane 15, Sarahann 12, Margaret 11, George 5, and Nancy 3. I believe that their daughter ELIZABETH KAY is my 2nd great grandmother MARTHA E. KAY who married ISAAC WOOD at St. Peters, Bolton, on 2 January 1842. Isaac is listed on the marriage record as the son of JAMES WOOD, weaver, of Bolton. I am wondering if James is the one married to Catherine HOLT on 4 January 1815 at St Peters? Their children are "William" b 1816, Mary b @ 1818, Samuel b @ 1820, Robert b @ 1822, Ann b @ 1824, Rachel b @ 1826, James b 1827 and Ellen b 1829. My Isaac is in some records with the middle initial "W" and I'm wondering if the "William" born in 1816 could be my Isaac "W"? Or perhaps there is another Isaac born about that time who is working away? Would that have been common in the 1840s for an older son to live apart from the family? The address given on the St. Peters marriage record says they lived on Fletcher Street. After Isaac Wood and Martha E Kay marry in 1842, they have a daughter Mary b 1844 and emigrate to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US in 1848. If anyone is connected to any of the above or can help prove or disprove these ideas, I would be most grateful to hear from you. With kind regards, nancy