Hi Marian, you mentioned that you had the Dent parish registers? I wonder if I could be cheeky and ask you to please check something that has been troubling me? On 24th December 1814, Thoma Middleton married Jane / Jennet Allen in Dent. Could you lease check and give me any more information on Thomas, like his age or father's name? There are a few people researching this line and there is a debate as to whether this is the sone of Thomas Middleton and Elizabeth Nelson born in 1793 or the illegitimate son of Alice Middleton born in 1784. I'd appreciate anything that would shed light on this, please Thanks, Pete Hulme ________________________________ From: youngm@iimetro.com.au [mailto:youngm@iimetro.com.au] Sent: Fri 26/05/2006 20:05 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BAINES-BANTON Hi Bob Just out of interest, I have the Dent parish registers, and there are the following entries: Edmund, son of Elizabeth and John Baines of Dikehall. Baptised on August 29 1788. Edmund Baines, Bach. and Jane Bentham, Spin. BOTP. Married by Banns on April 18 1808 by James Dawson. Witnesses: Thomas Metcalf, James Parker. John Baines and Elizabeth Hodgson, BOTP. Married by Banns on June 24 1777 by R Sedgwick. Witnesses: Margaret Alderson, James Hodgson. [Edmund Baines parents marriage].

Hi, Hoping you all can help! I've been lurking on the group for quite a while, mainly because my McINNES line lived in Bolton between about 1890 and 1895 en route between Glasgow and Oldham. In the 1891 census they lived at 66 Union Road, Tongue with Haulgh, and my Gt Grandfather George McINNES was a brass foundry worker. I have a big brick wall in the shape of my Gt Grandmother Emily Ann SHEPHERD, who married George McINNES on 16 May 1892 at Bolton Register Office. I have the marriage cert, which shows her father as James SHEPHERD, and her age as 21 which gives a birth year of approx. 1871. In the 1891 census she is living at 4 Robert Street, Little Bolton with her mother Rosa SHEPHERD (status S = spinster? single?) and younger sister Gertrude. Her birthplace is given as Blackley, Northampton, as is Rosa's. (There is no Blackley in Northamptonshire, although there is a Brackley and a Blakesley) However, Gertrude was born Bolton, and in later census returns Emily's birthplace is given as Bolton. I can't find Emily in the 1881 census, or any marriage record of Rose SHEPHERD, or any clear link to a James SHEPHERD. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I go from here? (NB There is another Rose SHEPHERD who seems to have been born in Northants and later moved to Lancashire, but in later censuses she has the wrong children and husband, which all goes to make it the more confusing.) Sandie

I have seen both spellings in different censuses and sources, I have always presumed that it refers to the same place. There is also one in Little Lever but can't remember whether with an "e" or "i"! Most of that area has been cleared or redeveloped but the one group of terraced houses is obviously original. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Pete Hulme [mailto:phulme@glasshouse.com] Sent: 26 May 2006 16:09 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME HI Martin, I'm glad you asked that, I thought I remembered a Gaskell Street (between Chorley old Road and Halliwell Road, sort of around Brownlow Way?) From when I lived in Bolton in the 60's and 70's. It's definitely Gaskill in the 1871, you can clearly see the dot over the I and it's Gaskill in the transcribed Street Index. I'm pretty sure it's Gaskill in the 1861, though you could convince me it was Gaskell. I've always assumed that my memory of the spelling was wrong but you've prompted me to check. I'll look at the census itself and try to work out where it was, based on the streets around it. Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: Martin Briscoe [mailto:mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk] Sent: 26 May 2006 15:36 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME There is a group of houses surviving in Gaskill Street (I presume Gaskell Street and Gaskill Street are just alternate spellings?). They look as if they original ones from the 19th Century (I hope they are listed as not many around from that period). ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

HI Martin, I'm glad you asked that, I thought I remembered a Gaskell Street (between Chorley old Road and Halliwell Road, sort of around Brownlow Way?) From when I lived in Bolton in the 60's and 70's. It's definitely Gaskill in the 1871, you can clearly see the dot over the I and it's Gaskill in the transcribed Street Index. I'm pretty sure it's Gaskill in the 1861, though you could convince me it was Gaskell. I've always assumed that my memory of the spelling was wrong but you've prompted me to check. I'll look at the census itself and try to work out where it was, based on the streets around it. Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: Martin Briscoe [mailto:mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk] Sent: 26 May 2006 15:36 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME There is a group of houses surviving in Gaskill Street (I presume Gaskell Street and Gaskill Street are just alternate spellings?). They look as if they original ones from the 19th Century (I hope they are listed as not many around from that period).

Hi Anne, you mentioned this couple in your original note about the 1830 James Hulme and, like you I've not spotted any obvious connection other that they live near the Brindles. IGI shows Thomas Hulme married Ann Horrocks 20 Feb 1837 at St Peter's. Given the Horrocks visitors in 1851, this is almost certainly the right marriage. This means that Ann was not a Hulme in 183 and was only 14 years old. It could be that James is Thomas' son from an earlier marriage, but Thomas would only have been 15 at the time of James' birth. Alternatively Thomas and James may be children of the same parents, who are dead by 1841, but then I'd have expected James to be living with his older brother rather than a neighbour? I guess you could have common parents who died, both boys lived with the Brindles and then Thomas left and got married? Trouble is you can always make a story to fit the facts, it's trying to prove / disprove them that's hard :-( I'll see if I can connect James and Thomas in any way. Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: 26 May 2006 13:38 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] HULME AND BRINDLE CROSS STREET Hi Pete, I have been having a look at the 1841 and 1851 Censuses for Cross Street, Little Bolton and on both Censuses there is a Hulme family living next door but two from George Brindle, who has James Hulme as a visitor. I have seen this Hulme family before, but I discounted them because the head, Thomas Hulme, was born in Chorley. I wonder if James Hulme is connected to this family? 1841 Cross Street, Little Bolton Thomas Hulme 25 Cotton Spinner Y Ann Hulme 25 Y Margaret Hulme 3 Y Catherine Hulme 6 months Y 1851 Cross Street, Little Bolton Thomas Hulme head marr. 36 Spinner Chorley Ann wife 35 Sharples Margaret d. 13 Bolton Catherine d. 11 Bolton Arthur Howarth Hulme 8 Bolton William 5 Bolton Ann 2 Bolton Mary Horrocks visitor 32 Bolton William Horrocks visitor 27 Spinner Bolton In 1861 This family have 3 more children and are living in Southern Terrace, Halliwell. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

A very good point, I can't get away from picturing our ancestors as just like us, whereas its obviously not true, and this gets in the way of rational analysis and research. Pete -----Original Message----- From: BARBARA WINDER [mailto:barbara@wonderwinder.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 26 May 2006 09:49 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Children Elsewhere I think sometimes we keep our modern notions of child-rearing when we look at census returns. For a start children of 11/12 were often working (my father was sent to the pit aged 12 in 1911). I have found in genealogy researches the following, all by no means uncommon:- children sent to grandparents or other relatives, children as lodgers near where they worked, children as female servants to a household, children as lodgers for the purposes of schooling. In most cases the parents were still alive. I have a family who lost both parents in their early 40s when the children were in some cases very small. The little ones were taken by various members of the family, one per household. In some cases the surname was different so if the record of relationship wasn't accurate, you would have struggled to understand why they were there. Finally one reason why this happened might be illustrated by another of father's memories. They had three bedrooms in their small terraced house and nine children. One went to father and mother. One went to a lodger (usually also a relative) and the children shared the other- boys at the bottom of the bed and girls at the top. Next door had 13 children, and one night father was in there playing, and got washed and undressed and put in their bed by mistake. His parents thought he'd been abducted but he thought one bed was much like another and it wouldn't matter! Best Wishes, Barbara ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

There is a group of houses surviving in Gaskill Street (I presume Gaskell Street and Gaskill Street are just alternate spellings?). They look as if they original ones from the 19th Century (I hope they are listed as not many around from that period). Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Pete Hulme [mailto:phulme@glasshouse.com] Sent: 26 May 2006 15:24 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME HI Anne, certainly does look like you're onto something here! I've found another 'coincidence' that links these two as well. I was looking for the Brindles in 1861 census and found them in Gaskill Street (26). James isn't with them (which is good as I've already found him I Barn Street, in the same lodging house as Elizabeth Kay, who he married in 1862). In 1866 James and Elizabeth have a son, Thomas and his birth certificate gives their address as Gaskill Street(31). The 1871 census shows both families still there. In 1881 the Hulmes have moved to Vallets Buildings and George Brindle is a widower living as a boarder with the Laycock's in Waterloo Street. Again, this doesn't prove anything, but it's one more "coincidence" between these two.

HI Anne, certainly does look like you're onto something here! I've found another 'coincidence' that links these two as well. I was looking for the Brindles in 1861 census and found them in Gaskill Street (26). James isn't with them (which is good as I've already found him I Barn Street, in the same lodging house as Elizabeth Kay, who he married in 1862). In 1866 James and Elizabeth have a son, Thomas and his birth certificate gives their address as Gaskill Street(31). The 1871 census shows both families still there. In 1881 the Hulmes have moved to Vallets Buildings and George Brindle is a widower living as a boarder with the Laycock's in Waterloo Street. Again, this doesn't prove anything, but it's one more "coincidence" between these two. Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: 25 May 2006 20:35 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME Hi Pete, I thought I was on to something. I have been trying to find information about the witness at George Brindle and Mary Butterworth's wedding in 1835.. He is Thomas Thompson. I have checked the 1841 Census, and the first Thomas Thompson, born about 1811, that I looked at lived in Dawson Lane. This is the street where the Hulme family lived in 1841. He had been transcribed on Ancestry as Thos Thompson, but when I looked at the census image, the name looks like Thomason, so I am not sure if it is him, but it is certainly a coincidence.

There is a website for a Society of Brushmakers Descendants. http://www.brushmakers.com/ I have no idea if any useful information can be got through them, I have some brushmakers in my tree but never followed it up. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Colin & Margaret [mailto:marlin.2817@ntlworld.com] Sent: 26 May 2006 14:20 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Brushmakers Help; my family were members of the brushmakers and I was wondering if anyone out there knows of the origin of this trade.... My gt gt grandfather Joseph Heap, Tippings St. in 1871 was a brushmaker also his son, my gt grandfather William Henry Heap... to the best of my knowledge they were both born in Bolton , Jos in 1841, Wm Henry in 1862., anyone got any ideas ? regards, M. Calderbank ( Heap)

My Spellman family lived at 3 Cunliffe Street, Great Bolton at the time of the 1871 census. (Municipal ward of Church and Ecclesiastical district of Holy Family). Because my grandfather was an infant and because I have not found his Baptism in Stockport, where he was born, I am wondering if he was baptized in Bolton. Is there anyone on this list who might know which Roman Catholic parish this family might have belonged to if they lived on Cunliffe Street? Thank you, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 6:00 AM Subject: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D Digest V06 #163

Help; my family were members of the brushmakers and I was wondering if anyone out there knows of the origin of this trade.... My gt gt grandfather Joseph Heap, Tippings St. in 1871 was a brushmaker also his son, my gt grandfather William Henry Heap... to the best of my knowledge they were both born in Bolton , Jos in 1841, Wm Henry in 1862., anyone got any ideas ? regards, M. Calderbank ( Heap)

Hi Pete, I have been having a look at the 1841 and 1851 Censuses for Cross Street, Little Bolton and on both Censuses there is a Hulme family living next door but two from George Brindle, who has James Hulme as a visitor. I have seen this Hulme family before, but I discounted them because the head, Thomas Hulme, was born in Chorley. I wonder if James Hulme is connected to this family? 1841 Cross Street, Little Bolton Thomas Hulme 25 Cotton Spinner Y Ann Hulme 25 Y Margaret Hulme 3 Y Catherine Hulme 6 months Y 1851 Cross Street, Little Bolton Thomas Hulme head marr. 36 Spinner Chorley Ann wife 35 Sharples Margaret d. 13 Bolton Catherine d. 11 Bolton Arthur Howarth Hulme 8 Bolton William 5 Bolton Ann 2 Bolton Mary Horrocks visitor 32 Bolton William Horrocks visitor 27 Spinner Bolton In 1861 This family have 3 more children and are living in Southern Terrace, Halliwell. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton.

Kenneth, Your William LEFLEY is not in the LDS IGI File, but in the LDS Pedigree Resource Files at the same LDS FamilySearch website in data submitted by a patron (possibly a cousin). =============================== Individual Record FamilySearch™ Pedigree Resource File William LEFLEY Compact Disc #7 Pin #715180 Birth: 24 Mar 1828 Place: Bolton, , England Death: 6 Jun 1907 Place: Duchesne, , Pennsylvania Burial: Place: Petrolia, Butler, Pennsylvania Father: Robert LEFLEY Disc #7 Pin #715214 Mother: Amy Evans Disc #7 Pin #715215 Spouse: Elizabeth Ann Morgan Disc #7 Pin #715181 Marriage: 22 Jun 1847 Place: Erie, Erie, Pennsylvania Submitter: David L. Johnson 390 Quail Run Drive, Moscow, Idaho 83843 =============================== Have you visited your local LDS Family History Center and rented the microfilms for that era in Bolton? =============================== Baptismal register, 1785-1837 / Duke's Alley Chapel (Bolton : Independent) Baptismal register, 1822-1843 / Moor Lane Meeting House (Bolton : Unitarian) Baptismal register, 1828-1837 / New Jerusalem Chapel (Bolton, Lancashire) Birth records, 1803-1836 / Baptist Chapel (Bolton, Lancashire) Church records, 1782-1837 / Ridgway Gates Chapel (Bolton : Wesleyan Methodist) Church records, 1785-1926 / St. George's Road Congregational Church (Bolton, Lancashire) Church records, 1789-1928 / Bridge Street Chapel (Bolton, Lancashire : Wesleyan Methodist) Church records, 1800-1837 / Ebenezer Chapel (Bolton, Lancashire : Methodist New Connexion) Church records, 1810-1837 / Bridge Street Chapel (Bolton, Lancashire : Wesleyan Methodist) Church records, 1821-1924 / Claremont Baptist Church (Bolton, Lancashire) =============================== I would start with the New Jerusalem Chapel (assumed to be CoE), unless he was known to be otherwise. At 05:00 AM 5/26/2006, you wrote: >From: "KENNETH GOODRICH" <goodrich@775.net> >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: baptisms in Bolton > >I am still trying to find my ancestors from >Bolton. Robert lefley married to Amy Evans (from >Wales). Their son William Lefley must have been >baptized but they were not Catholic. William was >born in 1828 (April 28). I read they were all >on the Mormon IGI..when I type in >Familysearch.org I can't find any of my people >on the IGI...Could you please give me some >suggestions? Robert and Amy died when Wm. was >just a baby...did they have funerals listed or >burials? Would love some advice. martha goodrich

I think sometimes we keep our modern notions of child-rearing when we look at census returns. For a start children of 11/12 were often working (my father was sent to the pit aged 12 in 1911). I have found in genealogy researches the following, all by no means uncommon:- children sent to grandparents or other relatives, children as lodgers near where they worked, children as female servants to a household, children as lodgers for the purposes of schooling. In most cases the parents were still alive. I have a family who lost both parents in their early 40s when the children were in some cases very small. The little ones were taken by various members of the family, one per household. In some cases the surname was different so if the record of relationship wasn't accurate, you would have struggled to understand why they were there. Finally one reason why this happened might be illustrated by another of father's memories. They had three bedrooms in their small terraced house and nine children. One went to father and mother. One went to a lodger (usually also a relative) and the children shared the other- boys at the bottom of the bed and girls at the top. Next door had 13 children, and one night father was in there playing, and got washed and undressed and put in their bed by mistake. His parents thought he'd been abducted but he thought one bed was much like another and it wouldn't matter! Best Wishes, Barbara

I am trying to find the parents of John Ramsden, my maternal gggrandfather. The earliest record of him is in the 1841 census age 24 born in Bolton, living in Side of Moor, Harwood, married to Sarah Hamer. I know there were numerous John Ramsdens around at that time, but wondered if anybody had access to earlier records, which may give any clues. It is possible that his father was also called John (a collier) married to Ann Hoping somebody can be of help. Regards, Michael Walker

Hi Pete, I think the father would be shown on the baptism record, even if he was deceased. On the baptism record I sent to the list yesterday, both the parents were shown as deceased when the son was baptised, although he was 9 when he was baptised. I have always assumed that on a baptism record, where only the mother is shown, the child is illegitimate. Other people may know differently. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME > > Hi Anne, just poking around in the IGI, looking at your Anne Hulme idea > and found an Anne Holme who died in 1837 buried 23 Feb 1837. Her husband > was James Holme. > > Now a couple of questions, if a mother is listed on a birth with no > father, does that always mean a bastard, or could it be a married woman > whose husband was away (or dead) at the time of baptism? > > Could this be the mother of the 1830 James, with the father dying or > leaving and then the mother dying in 1837 and the son being "fostered" > by the Brindles. > > Does this idea make any sense? > > Pete > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 24/05/2006 > >

Hi Bob, I have managed to find your elusive Bantons in 1841 but 1851 is proving more difficult. Derby Street, Macclesfield, Civil Parish Prestbury Henry Banton 30 Baker N Jane 35 N. Edward 8 N. Ann 6 N. Margaret 3 N. Ellen 1 N Henry 3 months Y. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Thornley" <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BANTON BAPTISM > Hi Anne, > Thanks for passing this on, I didn't have it. > > I wonder if the father was Henry b.1810, brother of my 3G-grandmother Mary > Ann BANTON? I haven't yet been able to find a Henry BANTON or an Edward > BANTON on the 1841 or 1851 census. More research needed. > > As it happens, I went to Mere Hall this afternoon and bought her son > Anthony PRATT's 1876 death certificate, and found that she's the > informant, but now called Ann GOODRAM. Another mystery. > > Thanks again, and all the best. > Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> >> I made a note today of the following Banton baptism. You probably >> already have it. >> St. Peter's, Bolton >> c. 7.4.1833 Edward son of Henry and Jane Banton, baker, Great Bolton. >> Kind regard, Anne in Bolton. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/346 - Release Date: 23/05/2006 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "KENNETH GOODRICH" <goodrich@775.net> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] baptisms in Bolton >I am still trying to find my ancestors from Bolton. Robert lefley married >to Amy Evans (from Wales). Their son William Lefley must have been >baptized but they were not Catholic. William was born in 1828 (April 28). >I read they were all on the Mormon IGI..when I type in Familysearch.org I >can't find any of my people on the IGI...Could you please give me some >suggestions? Robert and Amy died when Wm. was just a baby...did they have >funerals listed or burials? Would love some advice. martha goodrich > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/313 - Release Date: 4/15/2006 > >

Hi Pete, I thought I was on to something. I have been trying to find information about the witness at George Brindle and Mary Butterworth's wedding in 1835.. He is Thomas Thompson. I have checked the 1841 Census, and the first Thomas Thompson, born about 1811, that I looked at lived in Dawson Lane. This is the street where the Hulme family lived in 1841. He had been transcribed on Ancestry as Thos Thompson, but when I looked at the census image, the name looks like Thomason, so I am not sure if it is him, but it is certainly a coincidence. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME > > Oh Boy, there's an interesting one. Lets see what this tells us;- > > If James aged 25 is the head and Elizabeth, aged 35 is his wife and > Joseph (3) and Elizabeth (2) are their children ,as seems likely, then > the others are in his household either permanently or temporarily, > otherwise you'd expect William (60) to be the head. Be interesting to > know why they were with James > > Assuming William and Alice (60) to be the parents of James (25) then we > might assume that the others (Alice (30) and Ann (25)) are their > children and siblings of James (25). Samuel (15) is odd because he's a > bit young to be William's son and a bit old to be his grandson. > > Looking at Anne, if she were the mother of the 1830 James, she'd have > been about 14 at his birth, not impossible but not very likely either. > Assuming Anne was the mother, I would expect James to be with her in > 1841, but he could have been visiting the Brindles, it's hard to come up > with a scenario that describes why James would be at the Brindles in > both 1841 and 1851 unless he was fostered (or similar) by them, or was > the son of the wife, though we think she was Butterworth. I would have > thought it more likely that there was another Anne, mother of James, who > died but who had some connection to the Brindles or Butterworths? Of > course it could be that Anne is the mother and gave her baby over to the > Brindle / Butterworth family for some reason (maybe George Brindle was > the father???) > > Hard to know what to think, really, I'll keep looking and trying to fit > the pieces together. Thanks for the ideas, it all helps to paint a > picture. > > Confused! Pete > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 25 May 2006 17:05 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME > > Hi Pete, > > I have been trying to find a baptism for Anne Hulme, the mother of James > > christened in 1830, to try to eliminate them. > > There was an Ann Holme c. 14.1.1816 Bolton le Moors to William Holme and > > Alice Wright. > > I think this is the family on the 1841 Census in Dawson Lane, Little > Bolton. > > James Hulme 25 Comb Manufacturer Born in County > Elizabeth Hulme 35 Born in County > Joseph Hulme 5 Born in County > Elizabth Hulme 2 Born in County > William Hulme 60 Mop maker Born in County > Alice Hulme 60 Born in County > Alice Hulme 30 Born in County > Ann Hulme 25 25 Cotton Tenter Born in County > Samuel Hulme 15 Ap. Comb maker Born in County > > If Ann aged 25 is the Anne Hulme, mother of James christened in 1830, > where > is James. I know it is a long shot and the age is a bit out, but could > he > be the one lodging with the Brindles in 1841 and 1851. What do you > think? > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 24/05/2006 >

I am still trying to find my ancestors from Bolton. Robert lefley married to Amy Evans (from Wales). Their son William Lefley must have been baptized but they were not Catholic. William was born in 1828 (April 28). I read they were all on the Mormon IGI..when I type in Familysearch.org I can't find any of my people on the IGI...Could you please give me some suggestions? Robert and Amy died when Wm. was just a baby...did they have funerals listed or burials? Would love some advice. martha goodrich