Hi, My Abraham Hart Heap married Emily Lewis around 1900 I have found they had three children Henry b)1911, Hilda b) 1914 & Ernest b)1915... I have not done much reseach on this line as my direct line came from Abrahams older brother William Henry... but their parents were Joseph and Sarah Heap married 1861. This has now given me another family to look into... regards, Margaret Calderbank. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA WINDER" <barbara@wonderwinder.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] New Member > Margaret, > I have a Lewis connection to my Emma Basnett in Bolton. The Lewis > concerned was Russell Lewis from Wales. In the 1901 census the family are > at Back Chorley Street and he is a shoemaker. They had other LEWIS > children including JOSEPH born 1904. > Where was your grandfather born? > Best Wishes, > Barbara > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

There may be some connection. My gggrandfather Jonathan's sister was Margaret, christened in Blackrod in 1815. He had a son Thomas, born in US about 1855, and a daughter Margaret b. 1857. As names tend to be reused in families, there may be some link, but can't say what. Margaret

Hello Margaret, I am looking for information about THOMAS HORROCKS. b abt 1871, Bolton. Grandson of JAMES FLETCHER b abt 1819. He is in James household on 1881 census. Do you have anything about him Regards Joy W. New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Horrocks" <mags70@tesco.net> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Horrocks > > I have a lot of information on the Horrocks name, but there were so many > in Lancashire, my line comes from a Margaret Horrocks who had an > illigitimate son John Ainsworth Horrocks )Ainsworth being the fathers name. > he was baptised at New Chapel - Horwich in 1762 - if I can be of any help > please let me know, Mag----- Original Message ----- > From: "margaret dodge" <mdodge@frontiernet.net> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:42 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Horrocks > > > >I am looking for Horrocks, and do not have info on them after 1839. > > John and Jonathan are some names in my line, so it could be we are > > talking about the same line. Do you have any info prior to 1881? > > Margaret in US > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/06 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/06

Hi Anne, Thanks for taking the time to search for this frustrating family. I have the Scottish 1881 on disk, so I have had a look but no go. I have to conclude that they simply weren't counted in the 1881 census, and I'm beginning to think they appeared in Bolton in 1891 having been deposited by a passing UFO! Thanks though, Kind regards Sandie In a message dated 27/05/06 16:28:16 GMT Daylight Time, pne.anne@ntlworld.com writes: Hi Sandie, I have had a good look for Rosa, Emily and Gertrude in 1881 in England and Wales, but I can't find them. Do you think they could be in Scotland. If Rosa was a lace maker, she may have travelled to sell her wares. Anne in Bolton

Thanks Margaret- given how common the name is I doubt there's a connection. Have you looked into the possibility that he was moved by the Poor Law Commissioners in the 1830s- several thousands were because the factories of the north west needed labour and couldn't get it. Most were moved from the south, but it's possible the midlands did it to. They were typically given travel costs, often by canal to Manchester or Bolton, and a job offer. Some of these transactions survive. Best Wishes, Barbara

Re the Scowcroft name, In the mid 1950s to 80s there was a Richard Scowcorft co director at Markland Scowcrofts steel tube stockholders in Bromley Cross. I think the partenership when further back to pre 1940s. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Buker" <jcbuker@bukerfamily.org> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BOOTH - FIELDING - ORRELL > Hi Valerie, > > First I want to thank you for that wonderful information. I know very > little about the Scowcroft's but since it is not a very common name I would > have to say that any Scowcroft's in the Harwood area would have to be > related in some way. > > I do know that my Sarah Scowcroft's parents were Richard Scowcroft and Sarah > Hamer but I have no other information on them. I do not know who Sarah's > siblings were and would like to learn that information and any other > information available. > > John & Sarah Scowcroft Booth left England and this is the information passed > down: > > "It was said that John S. Booth was a manufacturer in his native country, of > England. He brought the family to America, leaving at 4:00 Thursday 9 of > Sept.1830 and settled in Westchester county, N. Y" > > Thank you again, > Jan Buker > > -----Original Message----- > From: Valerie Lirakis [mailto:v.lirakis@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:54 AM > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BOOTH - FIELDING - ORRELL > > Jan Buker writes <If anyone has information on this family and collateral > lines it would be > > greatly appreciated. I believe there were Scowcrofts still in Harwood in > > the 1960's and Booth's around the 1920's.> > > > Hi Jan, > > Turton Local History published a book last year entitled Samuel Scowcroft, A > > Bradshaw Man 1838-1914, who was a diarist. This is what it says: > > Quote ... there have been many Scowcrofts in Bradshaw and Harwood over the > centuries, a number of them being notable figures in local society, > including farmers, publicans, colliery owners and managers. > > Samuel was descended from John Scowcroft, his grandfather, who was born at > Ruins, Harwood on the 21st December 1777 and baptized at Bolton Parish > Church on the 15th February 1778. He was described as a weaver when he > married Martha Haslam on the 20th July 1800 at Bolton Parish Church. They > had eleven children and lived as tenant farmers at Springside Farm, Harwood > in 1841, later moving to Scowcroft Houses, Ruins Lane, Harwood in 1851. By > 1861 they lived at Middle of the Moor Harwood. > > John was a trustee of Harwood Wesleyan School when teetotalism came to > Harwood on the 29th May 1835. The first meeting of the Harwood Temperance > Society was held at Harwood Wesleyan School and John was the first person to > > sign the pledge, becoming a founder member of the Society. In 1837 John was > > the first elected Guardian of the Poor for Bradshaw Township. He was a very > > strict and religious person all his life and when he appeared in the Harwood > > Wesleyan School and thumped his stick on the floor there was an immediate > silence and complete order. > > John's eldest son Samuel was the father of Samuel the diarist. Samuel > married Jane Bolton of Harwood at Bolton Parish Church on the 18th July 1817 > > when they were 20 and 17 respectively. Samuel and Jane had six children, > John born 1818, Sophia 1822, Richard 1827, Sarah 1831, Martha 1834 who died > as a young child, and Samuel Junior born 15th September 1838. The youngest > son became the author of the diaries which he kept for nearly 50 years. > unquote > > Could it be that your Sarah was a member of this family? > > Valerie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Buker" <jcbuker@bukerfamily.org> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:04 PM > Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BOOTH - FIELDING - ORRELL > > > > > > Hi Annie > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. 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Thank you for this additional information. -----Original Message----- From: James Riding [mailto:james@seamus132.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 1:42 AM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BOOTH - FIELDING - ORRELL Re the Scowcroft name, In the mid 1950s to 80s there was a Richard Scowcorft co director at Markland Scowcrofts steel tube stockholders in Bromley Cross. I think the partenership when further back to pre 1940s. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Buker" <jcbuker@bukerfamily.org> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BOOTH - FIELDING - ORRELL > Hi Valerie, > > First I want to thank you for that wonderful information. I know very > little about the Scowcroft's but since it is not a very common name I would > have to say that any Scowcroft's in the Harwood area would have to be > related in some way. > > I do know that my Sarah Scowcroft's parents were Richard Scowcroft and Sarah > Hamer but I have no other information on them. I do not know who Sarah's > siblings were and would like to learn that information and any other > information available. > > John & Sarah Scowcroft Booth left England and this is the information passed > down: > > "It was said that John S. Booth was a manufacturer in his native country, of > England. He brought the family to America, leaving at 4:00 Thursday 9 of > Sept.1830 and settled in Westchester county, N. Y" > > Thank you again, > Jan Buker > > -----Original Message----- > From: Valerie Lirakis [mailto:v.lirakis@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:54 AM > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BOOTH - FIELDING - ORRELL > > Jan Buker writes <If anyone has information on this family and collateral > lines it would be > > greatly appreciated. I believe there were Scowcrofts still in Harwood in > > the 1960's and Booth's around the 1920's.> > > > Hi Jan, > > Turton Local History published a book last year entitled Samuel Scowcroft, A > > Bradshaw Man 1838-1914, who was a diarist. This is what it says: > > Quote ... there have been many Scowcrofts in Bradshaw and Harwood over the > centuries, a number of them being notable figures in local society, > including farmers, publicans, colliery owners and managers. > > Samuel was descended from John Scowcroft, his grandfather, who was born at > Ruins, Harwood on the 21st December 1777 and baptized at Bolton Parish > Church on the 15th February 1778. He was described as a weaver when he > married Martha Haslam on the 20th July 1800 at Bolton Parish Church. They > had eleven children and lived as tenant farmers at Springside Farm, Harwood > in 1841, later moving to Scowcroft Houses, Ruins Lane, Harwood in 1851. By > 1861 they lived at Middle of the Moor Harwood. > > John was a trustee of Harwood Wesleyan School when teetotalism came to > Harwood on the 29th May 1835. The first meeting of the Harwood Temperance > Society was held at Harwood Wesleyan School and John was the first person to > > sign the pledge, becoming a founder member of the Society. In 1837 John was > > the first elected Guardian of the Poor for Bradshaw Township. He was a very > > strict and religious person all his life and when he appeared in the Harwood > > Wesleyan School and thumped his stick on the floor there was an immediate > silence and complete order. > > John's eldest son Samuel was the father of Samuel the diarist. Samuel > married Jane Bolton of Harwood at Bolton Parish Church on the 18th July 1817 > > when they were 20 and 17 respectively. Samuel and Jane had six children, > John born 1818, Sophia 1822, Richard 1827, Sarah 1831, Martha 1834 who died > as a young child, and Samuel Junior born 15th September 1838. The youngest > son became the author of the diaries which he kept for nearly 50 years. > unquote > > Could it be that your Sarah was a member of this family? > > Valerie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Buker" <jcbuker@bukerfamily.org> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:04 PM > Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BOOTH - FIELDING - ORRELL > > > > > > Hi Annie > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. 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Hi Bob, I came across another Banton baptism in the Bolton Parish Church Records today. Robert son of Henry and Jane Banton, bread baker, Great Bolton 9.10.1831. Robert is not with the family in Macclesfield in 1841, so he could have died. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Thornley" <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] BANTON BAPTISM > Hi Anne, > Sorry to be slow replying, I'm burning a bit of midnight oil at work at > the moment. > > I really appreciate your efforts in finding these for me, and for Edward > BANTON in your previous message. They look very plausible and I think > they're going to be the right ones. > > As always, you are a star. > Best wishes, > Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> >> I have found a marriage for Edmond Baines on the IGI. He married a Jane. >> Their eldest daughter was Betty born 1809 Dent. >> There is a marriage for an Elizabeth Baines to Robert Banton on 30.9.1827 >> at St. Peter's, Bolton. The Edward Banton living with Edmond Baines in >> 1861 must be their son. > Anne > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006 > >

Hi Anne, Sorry to be slow replying, I'm burning a bit of midnight oil at work at the moment. I really appreciate your efforts in finding these for me, and for Edward BANTON in your previous message. They look very plausible and I think they're going to be the right ones. As always, you are a star. Best wishes, Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > I have found a marriage for Edmond Baines on the IGI. He married a Jane. > Their eldest daughter was Betty born 1809 Dent. > There is a marriage for an Elizabeth Baines to Robert Banton on 30.9.1827 > at St. Peter's, Bolton. The Edward Banton living with Edmond Baines in > 1861 must be their son. > Anne

Hi! I too have a Horrocks line from Bolton. Sarah Heyes (transcribed as HEYEN) married Thomas Horrocks in 1910 in Bolton. My Grandmother, Amelia Heyes witnessed the married. Sarah (Sally) had two children, according to my father, Sissy and Lillian. Any connections??? Sue > >

My grandfather was born in Birmingham in 1881. Cornelius John Lewis father - James Lewis born 1820- I have only found one brother Willis born 1795 he married Hannah ,,,,,,,, in 1823-they had 6 children, perhaps Willis went to Manchester to work. I have wondered why my grandfathers family went to Manchester before coming to the Railway Works at Horwich. Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA WINDER" <barbara@wonderwinder.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] New Member > Margaret, > I have a Lewis connection to my Emma Basnett in Bolton. The Lewis concerned was Russell Lewis from Wales. In the 1901 census the family are at Back Chorley Street and he is a shoemaker. They had other LEWIS children including JOSEPH born 1904. > Where was your grandfather born? > Best Wishes, > Barbara > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Thanks, James at least my memory isn't totally shot! Pete ________________________________ From: James Riding [mailto:james@seamus132.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Sat 27/05/2006 16:59 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME Hi Pete, Re Gaskell Street, according to Bolton Post Office directory 1876 /87, Gaskell St is the correct spelling. At the time it boasted a cotton mill namely The Nelson Mills. Hope this might help. Regards JR

Not that I can find, I'm afraid. The only Mar Middleton I have is a generation too late. According to IGI your Mary is the daughter of John Middleton and Barbary (sic), John could potentially be the brother of one of my ancestors but it's in a line that's still under research. Of course my ancestor may have been the coachman that brought your ancestors to Bolton :-) Cheers, Pete ________________________________ From: Colin & Margaret [mailto:marlin.2817@ntlworld.com] Sent: Sat 27/05/2006 14:48 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Re:Dent Registers Back on the Dent trail.... our research in the name of Burrow have produced 1] William Burrow married Mary Middleton 30.6.1838 and their son Thomas married Barbara Middleton in Sept 1867 any connection ? probably travelled by coach ! regards C & M

Margaret, I have a Lewis connection to my Emma Basnett in Bolton. The Lewis concerned was Russell Lewis from Wales. In the 1901 census the family are at Back Chorley Street and he is a shoemaker. They had other LEWIS children including JOSEPH born 1904. Where was your grandfather born? Best Wishes, Barbara

Hi Pete, Re Gaskell Street, according to Bolton Post Office directory 1876 /87, Gaskell St is the correct spelling. At the time it boasted a cotton mill namely The Nelson Mills. Hope this might help. Regards JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Hulme" <phulme@glasshouse.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME > > HI Martin, I'm glad you asked that, I thought I remembered a Gaskell > Street (between Chorley old Road and Halliwell Road, sort of around > Brownlow Way?) From when I lived in Bolton in the 60's and 70's. > > It's definitely Gaskill in the 1871, you can clearly see the dot over > the I and it's Gaskill in the transcribed Street Index. I'm pretty sure > it's Gaskill in the 1861, though you could convince me it was Gaskell. > I've always assumed that my memory of the spelling was wrong but you've > prompted me to check. I'll look at the census itself and try to work out > where it was, based on the streets around it. > > Cheers, Pete > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Briscoe [mailto:mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk] > Sent: 26 May 2006 15:36 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME > > There is a group of houses surviving in Gaskill Street (I presume > Gaskell > Street and Gaskill Street are just alternate spellings?). They look as > if > they original ones from the 19th Century (I hope they are listed as not > many > around from that period). > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 14/02/2005

I have a lot of information on the Horrocks name, but there were so many in Lancashire, my line comes from a Margaret Horrocks who had an illigitimate son John Ainsworth Horrocks )Ainsworth being the fathers name. he was baptised at New Chapel - Horwich in 1762 - if I can be of any help please let me know, Mag----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret dodge" <mdodge@frontiernet.net> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Horrocks >I am looking for Horrocks, and do not have info on them after 1839. > John and Jonathan are some names in my line, so it could be we are > talking about the same line. Do you have any info prior to 1881? > Margaret in US > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Interesting, I didn't know there was a Quaker connection! I'm pretty sure my ancestors weren't Quakers, the Husband, Joseph Middleton was baptised in the Zion Baptist church in Dent and the marriage was in the Pars Church in Thornton in Lonsdale. Pete ________________________________ From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: Sat 27/05/2006 15:38 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Re:Dent Registers Hi Pete, When I met Margaret in Bolton Archives recently, a man overheard us talking about Dent. He said that a lot of people came to Bolton from Dent because of the Quaker connection. I think my husband's ancestor Robert Burrow(s) may have come to Bolton from Dent, but as far as I know they were not Quakers.

Thank you, Anne. It certainly looks like the James baptised Jan 1830 is the only candidate for 'my' James Hulme and it also looks like the James Hulme living with the Brindles is mine as we find them close together again after his marriage. Assuming that James, the illegitimate son of Anne Hulme is my ancestor I expect there is little chance of working out who the father was but it's not so important as the name, in this case, came from the mother anyway. I wonder if your Dawson Street Anne is the same person, the Thomas Thompson link is certainly interesting. Lots of interesting questions and angles to think about :-) Cheers, Pete ________________________________ From: pneanne [mailto:pne.anne@ntlworld.com] Sent: Sat 27/05/2006 15:50 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] JAMES HULME Hi Pete, I have just got back from the library. I decided to check Bolton Parish Registers for 1830 and 1831 for James Hulme. He was not there, apart from the James born to Anne Hulme in 1830. I think this looks the likely one, unless your James was not baptised. The only problem is that he was born in Great Bolton.

Hi Sandie, I have had a good look for Rosa, Emily and Gertrude in 1881 in England and Wales, but I can't find them. Do you think they could be in Scotland. If Rosa was a lace maker, she may have travelled to sell her wares. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RevSandie@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Emily Ann SHEPHERD > > Hi Anne, > > Thanks for the birth cert and 1861 census suggestion, which I'll follow > up. > I've actually trawled through the BMD records name by name, using all the > variant spellings I can think of, and I can't locate any likely Emily > Shepherd > to have been born in Northamptonshire around 1871, or any marriage cert > for a > James Shepherd to a Rosa. Perhaps James was just a made-up name to cover > up > the fact that Rosa wasn't married. It does seem worth applying for those > two birth certs so thanks again for the suggestion. > > Kind regards > > Sandie > > In a message dated 26/05/06 23:17:29 GMT Daylight Time, > pne.anne@ntlworld.com writes: > > > I have found the following on the Free BMD's > > Emily Shepherd born March Qtr. 1872 Bolton > > Gertrude Shepherd born June Quarter 1880 Bolton. > > > > > >>I have been looking for Rosa Shepherd on the Censuses and I think this is >>her on the 1861 Census. The place is Brackley, Northamptonshire. > >>Malls? Lane, Parish of St. Jame,s Brackley > >>Ann Shepherd head Wid. 35 Wid. Lace Maker Syresham, Northants >>Sarah d. Un. 17 Lace Maker Brackley, Northants >>Rosetta d. Un. 13 Brackley, Northants >>John White lodger Un. 48 Gen Lab. N.K. > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006 > >

Hi Pete, I have just got back from the library. I decided to check Bolton Parish Registers for 1830 and 1831 for James Hulme. He was not there, apart from the James born to Anne Hulme in 1830. I think this looks the likely one, unless your James was not baptised. The only problem is that he was born in Great Bolton. Anne in Bolton.