No problem Joan. Good luck in your search. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Bridges" <jbridges@magma.ca> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:35 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] AINSWORTH 1841& 1861 > Hi Debbie, > > The Margaret AINSWORTH I am looking for gave her age as 23 when she > married > in 1862 so she must have been born about 1839. I am trying to find her in > 1841. > > Sorry, no connection that I can see. > > Regards from Ottawa > > Joan > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Debbie, The Margaret AINSWORTH I am looking for gave her age as 23 when she married in 1862 so she must have been born about 1839. I am trying to find her in 1841. Sorry, no connection that I can see. Regards from Ottawa Joan

Hi There is a Private N Ashworth 241435, !st/6th Bn Royal Lancashire Fusiliers, who died 24 February 1917. He is buried at Hamburg Cemetery. It dosnt give his age or where he was born. Regards Jacqui

Hi Joan, Re: "The World Cup is not that big in Canada...." You should see what is happening in Toronto! We are glued to the T.V. The restaurants and pubs were packed yesterday as people viewed the games. We have all become very patriotic and have our various country flags hooked to our cars at this time. Of course I am dutifully carrying on with my volunteer job of transcribing the Bolton marriages. The fact that our T.V. is in the same room as my computer has it's advantages though. Good luck with your research. Pat

Hi Michele, Most of the records of British servicemen in the first world war were destroyed during the air raids on London in WW2, some records were saved but badly burned or waterlogged, a attempt to salvage them is ongoing but it would seem that this is a long drawn out process. James Riding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Bender" <mishbender@insightbb.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:42 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] military records...searchable? > I am wondering if there is any index or online database for the British > Military who served in WWI. I am trying to find a needle in a haystack! I > am looking for a fairly young man who was killed in action sometime between > 1917-1918 whose first name was possibly Neville. I figure him to be born > between 1895-1900 and to be from the Bolton area. Any suggestions? > > > > Michele > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 14/02/2005

Hi Joan, England won 2 - 0, but they only scored near the end. Anouska ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Bridges" <jbridges@magma.ca> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Re: AINSWORTH 1841& 1861 > Hello Anne, > > Thank you very much for 1851 information. I missed that. > > This does not seem to be a good time to request look ups:>) > The World Cup is not that big in Canada....so tend to forget.... > I will wait for a while before I ask for any more look ups. > > We had a power outage this afternoon, and the one match I was interested > in was on. > England V Trinidad and Tobago. For 10 years we spent the month of April in > Tobago. > So had an extra interest, but missed it:>) > > Regards from Ottawa > > Joan > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Bob, it was still in my mail box. I had not copied it onto my Spellman page. Work gets in the way and distracts me from my first love, family history. If I could only win the lottery...... Thank you for the reminder.... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Thornley" <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] What Roman Catholic parish would these streets have been in? > Jan, > Have you overlooked the fact that you asked this same question two weeks > ago, received an answer and acknowledged it? > > Best wishes, > Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > > From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> >> >From 1870-1876 my Spellmans (from the address on birth records and from >> >the >> 1871 Census) lived on Cunliffe Street and on Thomas Street. >> Does anyone know what Roman Catholic parish these streets would have been >> in? >> Thank you, >> Jan >

I am wondering if there is any index or online database for the British Military who served in WWI. I am trying to find a needle in a haystack! I am looking for a fairly young man who was killed in action sometime between 1917-1918 whose first name was possibly Neville. I figure him to be born between 1895-1900 and to be from the Bolton area. Any suggestions? Michele

Hi Joan, I am glad you had a wonderful holiday. I am winding down my research etc. at the moment. I am watching the World Cup and then we are preparing for our big holiday. I have had a look for Margaret Ainsworth in 1841 and 1851. There are only two Margarets shown as born in Bolton around the time of your Margaret. The only likely one in 1851 is living at 28 Nelson Street, Great Bolton. She is 11 years of age, born Bolton, and is the niece of Thomas and Ann Ainsworth. The others don't seem to fit with the details you have given. Best Wishes, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Bridges" <jbridges@magma.ca> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] AINSWORTH 1841& 1861 > Hello List, > > After a wonderful holiday, I am back to the list with more requests. > > I would be grateful if SKS could find Margaret AINSWORTH in 1841 & 1861. > > Margaret married William CALDERLEY in Aug 1862, Holy Trinity, Bolton. > She gave her age as 23, Spinster of Bull Lane, Bolton. NO father's name > recorded. > On the 1871 census she gave her age as 31, PoB: Bolton > > From FreeBMD there was a Margaret AINSWORTH born June Qtr. 1838 and > another > Mar Qtr. 1840. There was a Baptism 26 Apr. 1840 St. Peters mother > Elizabeth AINSWORTH > > William CALDERLEY died in April 1879. > Margaret remarried in 1881 but this time gave a father's name: Seth > FLITCROFT, Brewer. > > I have gone through the 1851 census but the only Margaret AINSWORTH, age > 12, I found was with > her parents, John & Mary at 62 Crook St. I did find a Seth FLITCROFT age > 35, a Brewer, living > with his brother on Andrew St. On Bk. Andrew St. was a lodger, Mary > AINSWORTH age 16. > Perhaps just a coincidence? > > Your thoughts and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards from Ottawa, Canada > > Joan > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 13/06/2006 > >

In my family, I have a Margaret Ainsworth born in April of 1851 in Mellor. Her father was born in Salesbury and died in Riston. Her siblings were born in either Haslingden, Mellor, and/or Rishton. Just thought I would throw it out there - you never know, it might mean something to Anne or Joan (or am I just HOPING - lol). Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] AINSWORTH 1841& 1861 > Hi Joan, > > I am glad you had a wonderful holiday. I am winding down my research etc. > at the moment. I am watching the World Cup and then we are preparing for > our big holiday. > > I have had a look for Margaret Ainsworth in 1841 and 1851. There are only > two Margarets shown as born in Bolton around the time of your Margaret. > > The only likely one in 1851 is living at 28 Nelson Street, Great Bolton. > She is 11 years of age, born Bolton, and is the niece of Thomas and Ann > Ainsworth. The others don't seem to fit with the details you have given. > > Best Wishes, > > Anne in Bolton. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Bridges" <jbridges@magma.ca> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:13 PM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] AINSWORTH 1841& 1861 > > >> Hello List, >> >> After a wonderful holiday, I am back to the list with more requests. >> >> I would be grateful if SKS could find Margaret AINSWORTH in 1841 & 1861. >> >> Margaret married William CALDERLEY in Aug 1862, Holy Trinity, Bolton. >> She gave her age as 23, Spinster of Bull Lane, Bolton. NO father's name >> recorded. >> On the 1871 census she gave her age as 31, PoB: Bolton >> >> From FreeBMD there was a Margaret AINSWORTH born June Qtr. 1838 and >> another >> Mar Qtr. 1840. There was a Baptism 26 Apr. 1840 St. Peters mother >> Elizabeth AINSWORTH >> >> William CALDERLEY died in April 1879. >> Margaret remarried in 1881 but this time gave a father's name: Seth >> FLITCROFT, Brewer. >> >> I have gone through the 1851 census but the only Margaret AINSWORTH, age >> 12, I found was with >> her parents, John & Mary at 62 Crook St. I did find a Seth FLITCROFT age >> 35, a Brewer, living >> with his brother on Andrew St. On Bk. Andrew St. was a lodger, Mary >> AINSWORTH age 16. >> Perhaps just a coincidence? >> >> Your thoughts and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Regards from Ottawa, Canada >> >> Joan >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, >> Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 13/06/2006 >> >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then > subscribe to the other. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hello Anne, Thank you very much for 1851 information. I missed that. This does not seem to be a good time to request look ups:>) The World Cup is not that big in Canada....so tend to forget.... I will wait for a while before I ask for any more look ups. We had a power outage this afternoon, and the one match I was interested in was on. England V Trinidad and Tobago. For 10 years we spent the month of April in Tobago. So had an extra interest, but missed it:>) Regards from Ottawa Joan

Hi James, I haven't noticed a headstone for John and Elizabeth Ellen BYRON, but as you've visited the churchyard you'll be well aware that doesn't prove there isn't one there. Incidentally though, I'm fairly sure that I have seen headstones for RIDING and / or RIDINGS. Have you tried emailing the church as Anne did? There's a link to an email form at http://www.findachurch.co.uk/temp/sd/sd61/stphalliwell/index.html Even though Anne was unlucky and couldn't get a location, they do have maps probably showing where most of the graves are if you can give them specific details. Failing that I'll certainly keep my eyes open for BYRON, and report back if I find them, but don't hold your breath <grin>. Best wishes, Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "James Riding" <james@seamus132.fsnet.co.uk>> > Hi Bob > re your knowledge of St Peters graveyard Halliwell, > I was wondering if in the visits you came across a plot with the names of > John Byron and wife Elizabeth Ellen, they were my grandparents. I have > made > a brief search there but without any idea of where to look. Elizabeth died > 1946, but I doubt if the grave has been tended for a long time. > > Regards James Riding

Hi Leisha, I thought at first that this sounded like High Rid Reservoir, High Rid Lane, Lostock. You can see an aerial view of it at http://maps.google.com/ Enter BL6 4AJ and click Search That gets you to he Bolton Golf Club. Click 'Hybrid' in the top right corner so you get images and road names Drag the image down until High Rid Lane appears at the top of the screen, then drag the image left until the reservoir appears on the right. There's a contemporary drowning report at http://archive.thisislancashire.co.uk/1999/7/28/763550.html However, the 1920 map (I'll send you a copy off list) shows, in addition to High Rid Reservoir, another lodge and two small reservoirs just to the east, on the south side of the road, just after High Rid Lane becomes Old Hall Lane. The lodge is now a roughly rectangular field surrounded by trees. The two small reservoirs still exist, on the aerial view looking almost like shadows of the clumps of trees in the adjacent area enclosed by the road and the trees. Since you have the description 'mill pond', possibly the now-filled in lodge is the most likely location for the drowning. I hope that's some use. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton >>From: "Leisha Johnson-Harvey" <spenbrooklee@msn.com> > I am hoping SKS would be able to find an entry in a Bolton newspaper about > the circumstances > surrounding my great grandfather's death on 9 May 1922. > > George Herbert Knight drowned in a mill pond off High Rid Road in Lostock. > There was an > inquest held the following day, and the family story is that the verdict > was undetermined. No > worries, I'm prepared for anything the article may say, assuming there is > one. > > Thanks in advance, > Leisha > Central Penna, USA

Hello Bob No, there is no indication in their index whereabouts Rachel's grave might be unfortunately! It seems a bit redundant to me for the church to have gone to the trouble of making an index without numbering and locating the graves! As you can imagine I am thrilled that you are familiar with the place and can only tell you I have my fingers crossed very tightly! It has been my experience while searching for the facts about my elusive great grandparents that Rachel has a way of keep turning up! But of course I had a vision of an idyllic pristine church graveyard! >> Anne > > ______________________________

Hi Anne, I take it the church can't give you any clue what part of the churchyard any headstone might be in? The good news is that I walk through St Peter's Halliwell churchyard every few days. The bad news is that I've been doing that for a few years and I still expect to find something new relating to my family on most visits. It's a big graveyard, very overgrown in places, and a fair amount of it is not laid out in a way that makes it easy to make sure you haven't missed anything. Added to that, some of the stones have been cleared away, some have become illegible, many of the flat stones are effectively grassed over, and some erstwhile vertical ones have fallen over or been broken or pushed over by vandals. And like buttered toast they tend to hit the ground the wrong way up. On the other hand, of course, the right stone might be the first one I or another lister sees on the next visit... Keep your fingers crossed Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Anne Ohlgren" <aohlgren@shaw.ca> >I have a copy of her death certificate as Rachel Gaskell. Her husband >Thomas was born Thomas Wilson out of wedlock, but probably grew up thinking >he was Thomas Gaskell because his mother married a Gaskell when he was one >year old! They used both names on different censuses, and my grandfather, >their son, was Richard Gaskell. Her other son, William Gaskell, reported >her death as Gaskell, but I am thinking that if her husband Thomas buried >her he would have called her Wilson! I think it is a bit of a coincidence >that there is a 47 year old Rachel Wilson buried at St. Peter's Halliwell >in the same month that my Rachel died. Now you know why it has taken me >four years to track them down! My hope is there may be some clue inscribed >on the monument. > Ever hopeful that someone in Bolton doesn't care about soccer!!! Sorry - > blasphemy I know - I still have soccer daft relatives there! > Anne

Just to follow up on the message below, I have now received the marriage certificate and it does show that Rose Shepherd was a spinster, and her father's name was Wm SHEPHERD, so naming her daughter's father as James SHEPHERD could indeed have been a convenient bit of fiction. I have also received baptism certs for Gertrude SHEPHERD 13 May 1880 (Bolton 8c - ?) and Emily SHEPHERD 9th March 1872 (Bolton 8c 429) but they are not mine - I know there is a site for offering spare certs but thought I'd offer them here first. If anyone would like them or just more details please email me off-list. Thanks again to those who helped me out on this one Sandie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------- Original email What a great bit of lateral thinking. The address is a very big clue, and I will certainly be ordering that marriage cert. I'll let you know when I get it! I'm so grateful for the time you have spent on this, thanks so much Sandie In a message dated 28/05/06 22:41:33 GMT Daylight Time, pne.anne@ntlworld.com writes: I was wondering if Rosa got married after Gertrude was born and after doing some research, I have found something interesting. I have found a marriage between a Rose Ann Shepherd in the June Quarter 1892 Bolton. The men on the same page were Nathanial Green (who I have ruled out) and William Norton. I have looked for William Norton on the 1901 Census. He is a widower living with three children, who could be his from his first marriage. The interesting part is that he is living at 4 Robert Street, which is the address that Rosa, Emily A. and Gertrude were living in 1891. >Following on from my last e-mail, I have found the death of Rose Ann Norton. She died in >the December Quarter, 1897 Bolton, aged 48 years. She is the right age for your Rosa. >If it is your Rosa, who married William Norton, it would be interesting to see if she was a >spinster when she married, therefore, proving that James was a made up name on her >daughter's wedding certificate.

Jan, Have you overlooked the fact that you asked this same question two weeks ago, received an answer and acknowledged it? Best wishes, Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> > >From 1870-1876 my Spellmans (from the address on birth records and from > >the > 1871 Census) lived on Cunliffe Street and on Thomas Street. > Does anyone know what Roman Catholic parish these streets would have been > in? > Thank you, > Jan

Hi all, I am hoping SKS would be able to find an entry in a Bolton newspaper about the circumstances surrounding my great grandfather's death on 9 May 1922. George Herbert Knight drowned in a mill pond off High Rid Road in Lostock. There was an inquest held the following day, and the family story is that the verdict was undetermined. No worries, I'm prepared for anything the article may say, assuming there is one. Thanks in advance, Leisha Central Penna, USA

Hi Jan, The most likely RC church would be SS Peter & Paul (Pilkington Street). It's also possible that your ancestors could have attended St. Patrick's in Great Moor Street, the town centre church. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Jan Fortado [mailto:janfortado@comcast.net] Sent: 14 June 2006 14:01 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] What Roman Catholic parish would these streets have been in? >From 1870-1876 my Spellmans (from the address on birth records and from the 1871 Census) lived on Cunliffe Street and on Thomas Street. Does anyone know what Roman Catholic parish these streets would have been in? Thank you, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D Digest V06 #183 ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hello List, After a wonderful holiday, I am back to the list with more requests. I would be grateful if SKS could find Margaret AINSWORTH in 1841 & 1861. Margaret married William CALDERLEY in Aug 1862, Holy Trinity, Bolton. She gave her age as 23, Spinster of Bull Lane, Bolton. NO father's name recorded. On the 1871 census she gave her age as 31, PoB: Bolton From FreeBMD there was a Margaret AINSWORTH born June Qtr. 1838 and another Mar Qtr. 1840. There was a Baptism 26 Apr. 1840 St. Peters mother Elizabeth AINSWORTH William CALDERLEY died in April 1879. Margaret remarried in 1881 but this time gave a father's name: Seth FLITCROFT, Brewer. I have gone through the 1851 census but the only Margaret AINSWORTH, age 12, I found was with her parents, John & Mary at 62 Crook St. I did find a Seth FLITCROFT age 35, a Brewer, living with his brother on Andrew St. On Bk. Andrew St. was a lodger, Mary AINSWORTH age 16. Perhaps just a coincidence? Your thoughts and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards from Ottawa, Canada Joan