I am looking for Alfred (Alford) BRADY, age abt 20, born 1840 or 1841. He may be married with a son named Edwin. Thanks for your help. Nan

Hello Listers, Could someone please do a look up in the 1871 census for Bolton? John Hargreaves, born 10 June 1827 wife Esther, born c.1836 Their children were: Greaves born 1863 Emily, born 1864 William, born 1865 John, born 1866 Margaret Alice born 1870 Ephrain born 1875 Thank you so much. Maxine Capezza

I have just checked Ancestry death indexes for 2005, and although they do seem to have about 6 months death records available for 2005, (and a couple I noticed in September), they do not include the name of my cousin. In 2006 new year I was informed he had died, but not given a date. I assume this was probably within the last 6 months, and possibly could be just before Christmas. Is it possible that the burial records for that time could be available in Bolton Archives? As I am unable to get into Bolton I wonder if there is SKS who could check, and do a lookup to find my cousin please? Or any other suggestions? Any help much appreciated, Thanks, Anouska

Thank you Anne for that gem of information. I shall get in touch with Bolton Archives and Local Studies and check out their resources. Robin in Australia

Thanks very much for that information, Andrea. Thats wonderful. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Andreafinney@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1871 Lookup > Hi Sylvia > > This family was living at 123 St Georges Road, Bolton in the Parish of St > George. in 1871 > > John Gerrard classed as Iron Monger (Employer of 2 boys) > Couple of additions to your list in 1871- William A Gerrard (aged 17 or 7) > and Thomas Gerrard aged 10. > > Dont know if you have them in 1881 - but they had moved to Rivington and > John Gerrard (Head) was the Inn Keeper of the Black o'moor Head Public > House in > Rivington Villiage. > > Hope this helps > Regards > Andrea > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

This is our family. Great! Although the census says Daniel was born in Scotland, not Ireland, the 1851 census says Ireland which is correct. I would appreciate the image. Thank you so much, I really appreciate it. Nan _bragene@aol.com_ (mailto:bragene@aol.com) In a message dated 6/21/06 4:46:45 PM Central Daylight Time, mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk writes: How about this family, I think the address is Dean Road but I can send you the image if you want. He was a Joiner. Name: Daniel Braidy Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1793 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Deane Hundred: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/541/4 Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Halliwell ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 40 Page: 8 (click to see others on page) Line number: 23 GSU Number: 306925 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Alfred Braidy abt 1840 Lancashire, England Deane Lancashire View Record Daniel Braidy abt 1793 Scotland Deane Lancashire View Record Daniel Braidy abt 1831 Scotland Deane Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Braidy abt 1801 Lancashire, England Deane Lancashire View Record Emma Braidy abt 1833 Lancashire, England Deane Lancashire View Record James Braidy abt 1836 Lancashire, England Deane Lancashire View Record Mary Braidy abt 1829 Scotland Deane Lancashire

Could someone please look for John and Ann GERRARD and family in the 1871 census for Bolton? I'm sorry, I don't know whereabouts in Bolton they were, but the family was somewhere in Bolton at that time. John and Ann's children were: Sarah Ann GERRARD, b. 1863 Bolton Jane GERRARD, b. 1865 Bolton Alice E GERRARD, b. 1868 Alfred GERRARD, b. 1870 Thank you very much, Sylvia

How about this family, I think the address is Dean Road but I can send you the image if you want. He was a Joiner. Name: Daniel Braidy Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1793 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Deane Hundred: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/541/4 Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Halliwell ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 40 Page: 8 (click to see others on page) Line number: 23 GSU Number: 306925 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Alfred Braidy abt 1840 Lancashire, England Deane Lancashire View Record Daniel Braidy abt 1793 Scotland Deane Lancashire View Record Daniel Braidy abt 1831 Scotland Deane Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Braidy abt 1801 Lancashire, England Deane Lancashire View Record Emma Braidy abt 1833 Lancashire, England Deane Lancashire View Record James Braidy abt 1836 Lancashire, England Deane Lancashire View Record Mary Braidy abt 1829 Scotland Deane Lancashire Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Bragene@aol.com [mailto:Bragene@aol.com] Sent: 21 June 2006 21:03 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1841 Census look up BRADY Looking for this family in the 1841 Census Daniel Brady, born abt 1794, age 47, Ireland Betty (Elizabeth) born abt 1801, age 40, Lancashire Edwin, born abt 1825, age 16, Lancashire Emma, born abt.1834, age 7, Lancashire James born abt 1836, age 5, Lancashire Possibly Daniel, born abt 1829, age 12, Lancashire and others. This family was listed in the 1851 census under Dennis Brady which was not correct. Many thanks, Nan ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====

Thanks Keith, We did have a look for another way but it was fenced off and there was no trace of the old path. We will go back and look again where you suggest. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "keithopenshaw" <ko001b4578@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 REPORT > Anne > > Probably best to aim for the Gore from Par Brow area. If you start at the > junction of Mort Lane and Sale Lane (A577/A5082), head towards Mosley > Common for about 2 to 3 hundred yards you come to a right hand bend with > some relatively new houses built on the left, there use to be a track from > where these houses are built leading to Stone House farm, Turncroft farm > and Strawberry Hill. I know a couple of years ago Turncroft farm was > advertising a barn conversion so it was still there in 2004. > > Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 REPORT > > >> Hello again Peter, >> >> We have had a ride this evening to Mosley Common. Although we did not >> find the Gore, we did find the farms nearby, although we could not get >> near them. >> >> I have just had another look at the newspaper report of Joseph Platt's >> death and it gives the name of the pit owner. I had a thought that >> although Joseph and Alice lived at Tyldesley in 1851, they may have moved >> to Kearsley in 1852. Sometime after Joseph's death, Alice moved back to >> Harwood for a while. >> >> From the Bolton Chronicle and South Lancashire Advertiser on 13th March >> 1852. >> >> Colliery Accident >> >> An inquest was held at the Antelope Inn, Kearsley, on Monday last by Mr >> Rutter on the body of Joseph Platt a collier in the employ of Mr Thomas >> Grundy. It appears that on yesterday week the deceased was in a coal pit >> in Kearsley and had hooked a tub of coal, from which, on ascending the >> shaft, a piece of coal fell upon him and produced an injury which >> terminated his life on the same day. A verdict was returned of accidental >> death. Platt was 23 years of age. >> >> He leaves a widow and two children. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Anne in Bolton. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Wood" <st.peter@paradise.net.nz> >> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 >> >> >>> Hello Anne >>> >>> Gore appears to be in Mosley Common more-or-less, which puts it a lot >>> closer to Kearsley than Bongs CBD was. If Kearlsey had been used rather >>> loosely and the pit was on the SW side of the area, it may have been >>> only >>> 2-3 miles away, which is a more manageable walk across the fields. Even >>> so, >>> there would have been plenty of closer pits. >>> >>> You asked about tunnels between pits. In the 1850s it is unlikely that >>> deep >>> pits were connected underground. There would have to have been a good >>> commercial reason to go to the expense of opening such connections, >>> maintaining them (in a deep mine, the weight of rock above soon closes >>> up >>> any tunnel that is left to its own devices), and providing ventilation. >>> I >>> believe during WWII they deliberately drove tunnels to interconnect >>> collieries in case a head gear was damaged by bombing, though it never >>> happened as far as I know. >>> >>> However, between Mosley Common and Kearsley there was an amazing system >>> of >>> interlinked underground canals and coal workings that extended from >>> Worsley >>> under Walkden and as far as Four Lane Ends (Hulton Lane Ends) in Over >>> Hulton. This was the Duke of Bridgewater's colliery based on a reaching >>> seams by underground canals and inclined planes using specially built >>> narrow boats to ship the coal out of the collieries to the Bridgewater >>> Canal. There were also many surface pits and shafts connected with the >>> operation. >>> >>> Maybe Warm Hole was connected with this system??? I've emailed someone >>> who >>> researches those mines, and I'll report back if I hear from him. >>> >>> Regards >>> Peter Wood >>> >>> >>> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >>> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >>> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Yes. True. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: <Bragene@aol.com> > Is there an 1841 Census for Lancashire? I understand that Ancestry now has > the 1841 Census. True? > Thank you

Hi Sylvia, I'll email you a copy of the entry off-list. Ann Abrams abt 1852 Park Lane, Lancashire, England Servant Little Bolton Lancashire Alfred Gerrard abt 1870 Bolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Bolton Lancashire Alice E Gerrard abt 1869 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Bolton Lancashire Ann Gerrard abt 1841 Chorley, Lancashire, England Wife Little Bolton Lancashire Jane Gerrard abt 1866 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Bolton Lancashire John Gerrard abt 1835 Chorley, Lancashire, England Head Little Bolton Lancashire Sarah A Gerrard abt 1863 Chorley, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Bolton Lancashire Thomas Gerrard abt 1870 Chorley, Lancashire, England Son Little Bolton Lancashire William A Gerrard abt 1864 Chorley, Lancashire, England Son Little Bolton Lancashire HTH, Stuart _____________________________________ Stuart Phethean Hampshire, UK Family web Pages: http://www.phethean.co.uk _____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Norm and Sylvia [mailto:nsatstanwelltops@smartchat.net.au] Sent: 21 June 2006 15:13 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Census Lookup please, Bolton, GERRARD, 1871 Could someone please look for John and Ann GERRARD and family in the 1871 census for Bolton? I'm sorry, I don't know whereabouts in Bolton they were, but the family was somewhere in Bolton at that time. John and Ann's children were: Sarah Ann GERRARD, b. 1863 Bolton Jane GERRARD, b. 1865 Bolton Alice E GERRARD, b. 1868 Alfred GERRARD, b. 1870 Thank you very much, Sylvia ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/2006

Looking for this family in the 1841 Census Daniel Brady, born abt 1794, age 47, Ireland Betty (Elizabeth) born abt 1801, age 40, Lancashire Edwin, born abt 1825, age 16, Lancashire Emma, born abt.1834, age 7, Lancashire James born abt 1836, age 5, Lancashire Possibly Daniel, born abt 1829, age 12, Lancashire and others. This family was listed in the 1851 census under Dennis Brady which was not correct. Many thanks, Nan

Is there an 1841 Census for Lancashire? I understand that Ancestry now has the 1841 Census. True? Thank you

Hi Sylvia This family was living at 123 St Georges Road, Bolton in the Parish of St George. in 1871 John Gerrard classed as Iron Monger (Employer of 2 boys) Couple of additions to your list in 1871- William A Gerrard (aged 17 or 7) and Thomas Gerrard aged 10. Dont know if you have them in 1881 - but they had moved to Rivington and John Gerrard (Head) was the Inn Keeper of the Black o'moor Head Public House in Rivington Villiage. Hope this helps Regards Andrea

Yes I did, thank you. Two helpful people had emailed me directly with the link. Unfortunately, when I do a search for Neville (of which I thought was an uncommon name), I get over 5000 hits alone for 1917-18 and it won't show me any. I have done some Census checking from 1901 and used the FreeBMD (births) also to try and narrow down some, but so far with no luck. So far no names appear on both lists! Michele -----Original Message----- From: Charles & Linda [mailto:cap38@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:01 PM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Military Records Michele, Did you try the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) site? http://www.cwgc.org/

Michele, Did you try the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) site? http://www.cwgc.org/

Anne Probably best to aim for the Gore from Par Brow area. If you start at the junction of Mort Lane and Sale Lane (A577/A5082), head towards Mosley Common for about 2 to 3 hundred yards you come to a right hand bend with some relatively new houses built on the left, there use to be a track from where these houses are built leading to Stone House farm, Turncroft farm and Strawberry Hill. I know a couple of years ago Turncroft farm was advertising a barn conversion so it was still there in 2004. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 REPORT > Hello again Peter, > > We have had a ride this evening to Mosley Common. Although we did not > find the Gore, we did find the farms nearby, although we could not get > near them. > > I have just had another look at the newspaper report of Joseph Platt's > death and it gives the name of the pit owner. I had a thought that > although Joseph and Alice lived at Tyldesley in 1851, they may have moved > to Kearsley in 1852. Sometime after Joseph's death, Alice moved back to > Harwood for a while. > > From the Bolton Chronicle and South Lancashire Advertiser on 13th March > 1852. > > Colliery Accident > > An inquest was held at the Antelope Inn, Kearsley, on Monday last by Mr > Rutter on the body of Joseph Platt a collier in the employ of Mr Thomas > Grundy. It appears that on yesterday week the deceased was in a coal pit > in Kearsley and had hooked a tub of coal, from which, on ascending the > shaft, a piece of coal fell upon him and produced an injury which > terminated his life on the same day. A verdict was returned of accidental > death. Platt was 23 years of age. > > He leaves a widow and two children. > > Kind regards, > > Anne in Bolton. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Wood" <st.peter@paradise.net.nz> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:24 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 > > >> Hello Anne >> >> Gore appears to be in Mosley Common more-or-less, which puts it a lot >> closer to Kearsley than Bongs CBD was. If Kearlsey had been used rather >> loosely and the pit was on the SW side of the area, it may have been only >> 2-3 miles away, which is a more manageable walk across the fields. Even >> so, >> there would have been plenty of closer pits. >> >> You asked about tunnels between pits. In the 1850s it is unlikely that >> deep >> pits were connected underground. There would have to have been a good >> commercial reason to go to the expense of opening such connections, >> maintaining them (in a deep mine, the weight of rock above soon closes up >> any tunnel that is left to its own devices), and providing ventilation. I >> believe during WWII they deliberately drove tunnels to interconnect >> collieries in case a head gear was damaged by bombing, though it never >> happened as far as I know. >> >> However, between Mosley Common and Kearsley there was an amazing system >> of >> interlinked underground canals and coal workings that extended from >> Worsley >> under Walkden and as far as Four Lane Ends (Hulton Lane Ends) in Over >> Hulton. This was the Duke of Bridgewater's colliery based on a reaching >> seams by underground canals and inclined planes using specially built >> narrow boats to ship the coal out of the collieries to the Bridgewater >> Canal. There were also many surface pits and shafts connected with the >> operation. >> >> Maybe Warm Hole was connected with this system??? I've emailed someone >> who >> researches those mines, and I'll report back if I hear from him. >> >> Regards >> Peter Wood >> >> >> ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >> ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 >> >> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I have two families I am trying to find out about - they lived in the Turton/Egerton area and I am hoping someone might have come across one or more of them in some context. Valerie has already helped me with some baptisms. Family 1 Helm(e) Horrocks b 17.6.1788 s of James Horrocks and Margaret Helm bap 22.6.1788 Walmsley Presbyterian Chapel Egerton (siblings Edmund Horrocks b 1783 and Mally Horrocks b 1785) in Turton married first Hannah Crook b 1802 in Turton m 1821 Children Mary Ann Horrocks b 28.6.1822 Dunscar bap 17.8.1822 Walmsley Presbyterian Chapel Egerton James Horrocks b 1824 Dunscar bap 18.3.1824 Walmsley Presbyterian Chapel Egerton Thomas Horrocks b 17.5.1825 Dunscar bap 31.5.1825 Walmsley Presbyterian Chapel Egerton Benjamin Horrocks b 31 3.1833 Stan Rows bap 10.4 1833 Walmsley Presbyterian Chapel Egerton James Horrocks b 1831 Turton nothing known of any of these except Thomas, aged 15, a Clogger and James, aged 10, were living with their father and second wife in 1841 census (in Horrocks Row, Egerton, Turton) . Hannah must have died between 1831 and 1837 Helm Horrocks married secondly Sarah Bythell in 1837, in Liverpool. Sarah came from Liverpool and returned there after the death of Helm Horrocks in 1875 (aged 87) Children Sarah Horrocks b 25.7.1838 Egerton bap Aug 1838 Walmsley Presbyterian Chapel Egerton Ann Horrocks b abt 1840 Turton - living with Sarah and husband Edmund Ratcliffe in 1861 census ??Emmeline Horrocks b abt 1847 Turton Martha Horrocks b abt 1848 Turton - living with parents up to 1871 census Helm Horrocks was a provisions dealer, grocer, licensed victualler and similar all his life. In 1841 they lived in Horrocks Row, Egerton but in 1861 they had moved to Tong with Halgh and Helm had retired although in 1871 they were back in Egerton and Helm was working again. Family 2 John Ratcliffe b abt 1792 (1851 census gives Darwen as birthplace) married Martha (maiden name unknown) b abt 1796 (1851 census gives Westhoughton as birthplace) Children James Ratcliffe b abt 1821 probably Egerton/Turton (Occupation unknown) Alice Ratcliffe b abt 1823 probably Egerton/Turton Margaret Ratcliffe b abt 1825 probably Egerton/Turton Ann Ratcliffe b abt 1827 probably Egerton/Turton Robert Ratcliffe b abt 1829 probably Egerton/Turton (Clogger) Edmund Ratcliffe b 1831 Egerton (Edward bap 5.6.1831 Walmsley Old Chapel - think this is mistranscribed) Annie/Annis/Annas Ratcliffe b abt 1833 Egerton/Turton (Annis bap 8.10.1833 Walmsley Old Chapel) Eliza Ratcliffe b abt 1836 Egerton/Turton John Ratcliffe was a stone mason and they lived in Ratcliffe Row Egerton, Turton in 1841 and 1851. John died between 1851 and 1861, I think in 1853 but haven't got the cert yet. Edmund Ratcliffe married Sarah Horrocks in 1856 Children Emmeline (Emelin/Emeline/Emmaline) Ratcliffe b 1857 Egerton Unknown child (spoken of in the family but not named) Sarah Ratcliffe (Horrocks) died between 1861 and 1865, when Edmund Ratcliffe married Nancy Hindle in Darwen There was a child, Walter Ratcliffe b abt 1858 Egerton/Turton and living with widowed Martha Ratcliffe and two of her daughters Eliza and Annie, as a visitor, possibly the child of Eliza Ratcliffe or of Edmund and Sarah but we can't find any other reference to him. Emmeline Ratcliffe was living with her Horrocks grandparents at this time although he mother was still alive. Here's hoping. Charlotte Ryan ceryan@sapo.pt

Hello again Peter, We have had a ride this evening to Mosley Common. Although we did not find the Gore, we did find the farms nearby, although we could not get near them. I have just had another look at the newspaper report of Joseph Platt's death and it gives the name of the pit owner. I had a thought that although Joseph and Alice lived at Tyldesley in 1851, they may have moved to Kearsley in 1852. Sometime after Joseph's death, Alice moved back to Harwood for a while. From the Bolton Chronicle and South Lancashire Advertiser on 13th March 1852. Colliery Accident An inquest was held at the Antelope Inn, Kearsley, on Monday last by Mr Rutter on the body of Joseph Platt a collier in the employ of Mr Thomas Grundy. It appears that on yesterday week the deceased was in a coal pit in Kearsley and had hooked a tub of coal, from which, on ascending the shaft, a piece of coal fell upon him and produced an injury which terminated his life on the same day. A verdict was returned of accidental death. Platt was 23 years of age. He leaves a widow and two children. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wood" <st.peter@paradise.net.nz> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 > Hello Anne > > Gore appears to be in Mosley Common more-or-less, which puts it a lot > closer to Kearsley than Bongs CBD was. If Kearlsey had been used rather > loosely and the pit was on the SW side of the area, it may have been only > 2-3 miles away, which is a more manageable walk across the fields. Even > so, > there would have been plenty of closer pits. > > You asked about tunnels between pits. In the 1850s it is unlikely that > deep > pits were connected underground. There would have to have been a good > commercial reason to go to the expense of opening such connections, > maintaining them (in a deep mine, the weight of rock above soon closes up > any tunnel that is left to its own devices), and providing ventilation. I > believe during WWII they deliberately drove tunnels to interconnect > collieries in case a head gear was damaged by bombing, though it never > happened as far as I know. > > However, between Mosley Common and Kearsley there was an amazing system of > interlinked underground canals and coal workings that extended from > Worsley > under Walkden and as far as Four Lane Ends (Hulton Lane Ends) in Over > Hulton. This was the Duke of Bridgewater's colliery based on a reaching > seams by underground canals and inclined planes using specially built > narrow boats to ship the coal out of the collieries to the Bridgewater > Canal. There were also many surface pits and shafts connected with the > operation. > > Maybe Warm Hole was connected with this system??? I've emailed someone who > researches those mines, and I'll report back if I hear from him. > > Regards > Peter Wood > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 > >

Hello Peter, Thank you very much for your reply about the pits in the 1850's. I hope the person who is researching the mines has heard of Warm Hole. It will be very interesting to see where it was. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wood" <st.peter@paradise.net.nz> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PIT ACCIDENT 1852 > Hello Anne > > Gore appears to be in Mosley Common more-or-less, which puts it a lot > closer to Kearsley than Bongs CBD was. If Kearlsey had been used rather > loosely and the pit was on the SW side of the area, it may have been only > 2-3 miles away, which is a more manageable walk across the fields. Even > so, > there would have been plenty of closer pits. > > You asked about tunnels between pits. In the 1850s it is unlikely that > deep > pits were connected underground. There would have to have been a good > commercial reason to go to the expense of opening such connections, > maintaining them (in a deep mine, the weight of rock above soon closes up > any tunnel that is left to its own devices), and providing ventilation. I > believe during WWII they deliberately drove tunnels to interconnect > collieries in case a head gear was damaged by bombing, though it never > happened as far as I know. > > However, between Mosley Common and Kearsley there was an amazing system of > interlinked underground canals and coal workings that extended from > Worsley > under Walkden and as far as Four Lane Ends (Hulton Lane Ends) in Over > Hulton. This was the Duke of Bridgewater's colliery based on a reaching > seams by underground canals and inclined planes using specially built > narrow boats to ship the coal out of the collieries to the Bridgewater > Canal. There were also many surface pits and shafts connected with the > operation. > > Maybe Warm Hole was connected with this system??? I've emailed someone who > researches those mines, and I'll report back if I hear from him. > > Regards > Peter Wood > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 > >