I suppose strictly speaking Bolton has two parish churches with Deane being the other one. I wonder whether there might be some towns where the parish church is not in the town centre but one large church in the centre of the town has become the location for any major occasions even though it is not the parish church or a cathedral? http://www.tongefamily.info/images/bolton_parishes.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_church Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Bob Thornley [mailto:bob@thornleysystems.co.uk] Sent: 25 June 2006 07:08 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PARISH CHURCH OF TONGE MOOR Hi Valerie, You raised a topic here that I've wondered about for some time, so this feels like a good time to try to tap the knowledge of listers for a bit of enlightenment. In Bolton we all seem to call St Peter's on Church "The Parish Church". Suggesting that in Bolton we have just one parish church and it's that one. But what is a 'parish church'? The Bolton usage suggest that a parish church is to a town as a cathedral would be to a city. Or is that just the case with a very big town like Bolton. In which case what about Blackburn - a smaller town than Bolton, but complete with a cathedral? Does it also have a parish church or are the two conflated? To the dictionary (Chambers) ... parish church - the church of the establishment for a parish. Ok then ... parish - (noun) a district having its own church and its own minister or priest. Now that seems a bit circular definition to me so it doesn't necessarily help. But it does imply that if Tonge Moor is a parish (I'm not sure if it is) it should have a parish church. And of course it doesn't address the issue of the Bolton parish church, because my understanding is that Bolton consists of a number of parishes rather than consisting in being one of them. Maybe I got out of bed too early this morning? Can anyone enlighten me? In hope Reds, Bob Thornley, Bolton

Could I ask what Holy Trinity is in Bolton? I had thought that was the Parish Church. Since we don't have Parish Churches in this country, the whole subject is a bit confusing. Thanks. Linda in the US

Good Morning Listers In the photo on Valerie's website which shows a group at the 1911 coronation celebrations, the wagon belongs to Middleton & Wood. On Googling, Middleton & Wood are currently funeral directors. Does anyone know whether M & W were Bolton funeral directors in 1911 and the wagon is a hearse on loan, or were M & W an entirely different business at that time? Brian T

Hi Valerie, You raised a topic here that I've wondered about for some time, so this feels like a good time to try to tap the knowledge of listers for a bit of enlightenment. In Bolton we all seem to call St Peter's on Church "The Parish Church". Suggesting that in Bolton we have just one parish church and it's that one. But what is a 'parish church'? The Bolton usage suggest that a parish church is to a town as a cathedral would be to a city. Or is that just the case with a very big town like Bolton. In which case what about Blackburn - a smaller town than Bolton, but complete with a cathedral? Does it also have a parish church or are the two conflated? To the dictionary (Chambers) ... parish church - the church of the establishment for a parish. Ok then ... parish - (noun) a district having its own church and its own minister or priest. Now that seems a bit circular definition to me so it doesn't necessarily help. But it does imply that if Tonge Moor is a parish (I'm not sure if it is) it should have a parish church. And of course it doesn't address the issue of the Bolton parish church, because my understanding is that Bolton consists of a number of parishes rather than consisting in being one of them. Maybe I got out of bed too early this morning? Can anyone enlighten me? In hope Reds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Valerie" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> <snip> > There isn't a parish church of Tonge Moor as such. <snip> > Valerie

Hi Barbara, There isn't a parish church of Tonge Moor as such. St. Augustine's, Thicketford Road would be the likeliest contender. In 1905 the Vicar was the Revd. Arthur W Meggison. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Pritchard [mailto:bepritchard@xtra.co.nz] Sent: 24 June 2006 05:46 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] PARISH CHURCH OF TONGE MOOR Hello List Could some-one please tell me the name of the Parish Church of Tonge Moor. On the marriage certificate for 1907 it only states the Parish Church of Tonge Moor. Thank you in advance Barbara Pritchard ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hello everyone, I've received the following message today appealing for helpers for the Look Up Exchange. If anyone would like to offer their services please reply OFF LIST to Ailsa [ailsa@barnes.net] Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Ailsa Barnes [mailto:ailsa@barnes.net] Sent: 24 June 2006 22:13 ************ TO FOLLOW: MESSAGE TO BE POSTED TO LISTS - THANK YOU! ****************** Hello Everyone, I am setting up a new Lancashire Look Up Exchange (the last one being abandoned some years ago) and would appreciate comments, suggestions and - most importantly - VOLUNTEERS! For those of you not familiar with the Look Up Exchange, it works like this... Those of us with access to Lancashire records (census returns, trade directories, parish records etc) and who are willing to help others, volunteer to do look ups within a specified arena. For example, you might be happy to look for someone in a trade directory, but not in the census returns. The new web page will show a list of volunteers together with the details of what records they are prepared to search. Those without access or who need help for some other reason, can contact the appropriate person and ask for a look up. There is no cost involved, however if a volunteer incurs a cost (i.e.. obtaining a copy of a parish record entry) then the person requesting the information would be expected to reimburse them. The Look Up Exchange has the potential to help everyone. Very few of us have access to all of the records, and all of us have needed some help with look ups at one time or another. If you are that lucky person who has everything at your disposal, then you would get a warm glow inside knowing that you have helped others! There are rules governing what a volunteer will undertake and what they can refuse to stop those kind enough to help with the project being inundated with vague requests, which would take too much time to look up. For a good example of a Look Up Exchange website, have a look at the one for Gloucestershire http://aztecrose.tripod.com/gloucestershire/index.html The Lancashire one will be very similar to this. So why use a look up exchange website when we have our lists, I hear you ask? The idea of the look up exchange is that it casts its net wider than the lists are able to do. The scope of the Look Up Exchange will cover about 25 Rootsweb lists and is also open to anyone with internet access not just list members. The look up exchange is a complement to, not a distraction from, our friendly, helpful lists. Any comments or questions would be very welcome, but OFF LIST please. The Look Up Exchange covers 25 mailing lists and I don't subscribe to them all! If you would like to volunteer your services, please drop me a line - again off list - and let me know what resources you would be prepared to use for look ups. (mailto://ailsa@barnes.net) Thanks to Lynne Klein, Paul Dixon, Colin Pratt and Phil Stringer for their help and support in setting up this project. Ailsa

CORRECTION!! The photograph of the family of Ellen and John Collinge is not correct. It is the photograph of Ellen (nee Collinge) and John Jackson and children Alice, c 1896. Randall c. 1898 and John Arnold c. 1901. The girl is a picture of Alice Jackson. Randall married Phyllis Brooks and their daughters are Barbara b. 1832 and Norma b. 1827. The children named Stanley, Edith, Fred, and John do not belong to this family!!!!!!!!!!!! Also the other couple is of a daughter of Matthew and Jane (Sharples) Collinge, but I don't know which daughter. I have no idea how this information got in there. I might have made these mistakes. It might have been before I knew about Barbara and Norma Sorry!!! I hope you will correct this. Thank you Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon, Michigan

Hello List Could some-one please tell me the name of the Parish Church of Tonge Moor. On the marriage certificate for 1907 it only states the Parish Church of Tonge Moor. Thank you in advance Barbara Pritchard

Yes, I would appreciate the image. Also, the grandchildren give me another Surname to work with. Thank you so much. Nan In a message dated 6/23/06 5:00:18 PM Central Daylight Time, mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk writes: There is this one in 1861 Daniel - joiner Alfred - joiner Jane - Cotton Card Worker Let me know if you want the image

In a message dated 6/23/06 5:13:11 PM Central Daylight Time, mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk writes: I can't see a Edwin Brady born between 1861 (when Alfred was single) and 1864. Did he refer to the son as "Edwin Brady" or just "Edwin" i.e. could it be an illegitimate son? In settling Alford's estate in Texas he signed his name Edwin Brady. He may have been illegitimate but he took his father's name, Brady. I have a copy of a letter he wrote to a cousin in Texas and he was living in Merseyside. I will look at it again. It was in the early 1900s. Nan

Barbara, the parish church in Tonge Moor is St. Aidan's. If you look on the "streetmap" website you will find it where Crompton way meets Hall I' Th' Wood lane. Graham Dickinson in Bury

Hello everyone, More pix to view on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery_3.htm refs:3F & 3G. Please do keep the photos coming in. Valerie

I think the parish church is more likely to be St Augustine. St Aidan is a small church and is a daughter church in the parish of St Augustine. Go to:- http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Bolton-le-Moors/Tonge-Moor/ Where you will see both churches listed with streetmap links to show the location of each. I do have a photograph of St Augustine's which I took when I was in Bolton earlier this year. I just haven't had time to put it on the site yet! I can send you a copy if you want. Regards, Paul Dixon Carrollton, Texas Co-ordinator, Lancashire OnLine Parish Clerks --- GrayDickinson@aol.com wrote: > Barbara, the parish church in Tonge Moor is St. Aidan's. If you look on the > "streetmap" website you will find it where Crompton way meets Hall I' Th' > Wood lane. > Graham Dickinson in Bury > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Anouska, You could try e-mailing the Archives archives.library@bolton.gov.uk to see if they can help. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: M.A.Reynolds [mailto:anouska.reynolds@ntlworld.com] Sent: 24 June 2006 00:31 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Re: WW1 Query - THOMAS HOLDEN, HALLIWELL, BOLTON Hi, My Grandfather Thomas Holden was a Cook in France during WW1, but after extensive searches over a few years, by myself and a Professional, his records are not to be found at the PRO. Therefore he must be in the burnt records. It has been suggested that there may be a name index in Bolton Library Archives, for the newspapers during WW1 period, which listed soldiers going, or coming back from the War. Anouska

Hi, My Grandfather Thomas Holden was a Cook in France during WW1, but after extensive searches over a few years, by myself and a Professional, his records are not to be found at the PRO. Therefore he must be in the burnt records. He did return from the War, and lived into his 70's, so not on any other lists for those killed that are available online. There are far too many medal records for Thomas Holden, to determine which may be him, as I have no idea of his Army number, or which Regiment he was in. I think it was 1919 when only his wife, (my Grandmother Eleanor Holden) was listed on the electoral roll. I have a locket with his picture wearing army uniform. It has been suggested that there may be a name index in Bolton Library Archives, for the newspapers during WW1 period, which listed soldiers going, or coming back from the War. As I am unable to get there myself, I wonder if there is SKS who might be going, and able to help, by checking the newspaper indexes for my Grandfather between 1914 - 1920. I can provide other details about him and his family etc.in order to recognise him should he show up in the newspaper. I would be very grateful for any help, which will be very much appreciated. Thanks, Anouska

I can't see a Edwin Brady born between 1861 (when Alfred was single) and 1864. Did he refer to the son as "Edwin Brady" or just "Edwin" i.e. could it be an illegitimate son? Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Bragene@aol.com [mailto:Bragene@aol.com] Sent: 23 June 2006 22:29 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1861 Census Look up/ Alfred Brady In a message dated 6/23/06 12:34:10 PM Central Daylight Time, mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk writes: What census years do you have him in? Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS I have Alfred Brady in the 1841 and 1851 Census with his parents, Daniel and Elizabeth (Betty) Brady. In about 1864 he emigrated to the United States. He had a son left in England named Edwin. Alfred was killed in the 1900 Galveston, Texas hurricane and his brother, Daniel, was settling his estate. He wrote to England trying to find the son, Edwin, which he did. I have no idea when Edwin was born. I was hoping to find Alfred in 1861 with a wife and son, Edwin. Nan ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

There is this one in 1861 Daniel - joiner Alfred - joiner Jane - Cotton Card Worker Let me know if you want the image Name: Alfred Broady Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Little Bolton Ecclesiastical parish: St George Town: Bolton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 304 Bark Street Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Source information: RG9/2824 Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Little Bolton ED, institution, or vessel: 19e Folio: 29 Page: 14 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 78 GSU Number: 543034 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Alfred Broady abt 1841 Bolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Bolton Lancashire View Record Daniel Broady abt 1797 Ireland Head Little Bolton Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Broady abt 1801 Heywood, Lancashire, England Wife Little Bolton Lancashire View Record Jane Broady abt 1845 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Bolton Lancashire View Record Jane Rosthorn abt 1854 Bolton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Little Bolton Lancashire View Record William Rosthorn abt 1856 Bolton, Lancashire, England Grandson Little Bolton Lancashire View Record Sarah A Williams abt 1837 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Boarder Little Bolton Lancashire Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Bragene@aol.com [mailto:Bragene@aol.com] Sent: 23 June 2006 22:29 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1861 Census Look up/ Alfred Brady In a message dated 6/23/06 12:34:10 PM Central Daylight Time, mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk writes: What census years do you have him in? Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS I have Alfred Brady in the 1841 and 1851 Census with his parents, Daniel and Elizabeth (Betty) Brady. In about 1864 he emigrated to the United States. He had a son left in England named Edwin. Alfred was killed in the 1900 Galveston, Texas hurricane and his brother, Daniel, was settling his estate. He wrote to England trying to find the son, Edwin, which he did. I have no idea when Edwin was born. I was hoping to find Alfred in 1861 with a wife and son, Edwin. Nan ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

What census years do you have him in? Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Bragene@aol.com [mailto:Bragene@aol.com] Sent: 23 June 2006 16:40 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1861 Census Look up/ Alfred Brady I am looking for Alfred (Alford) BRADY, age abt 20, born 1840 or 1841.

In a message dated 6/23/06 12:34:10 PM Central Daylight Time, mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk writes: What census years do you have him in? Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS I have Alfred Brady in the 1841 and 1851 Census with his parents, Daniel and Elizabeth (Betty) Brady. In about 1864 he emigrated to the United States. He had a son left in England named Edwin. Alfred was killed in the 1900 Galveston, Texas hurricane and his brother, Daniel, was settling his estate. He wrote to England trying to find the son, Edwin, which he did. I have no idea when Edwin was born. I was hoping to find Alfred in 1861 with a wife and son, Edwin. Nan

Let me know if you want the image of the page sending. Head was a joiner Name: Esther Hargreaves Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Wife Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Great Harwood, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Little Bolton Ecclesiastical parish: St George Town: Bolton le Moors County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Source information: RG10/3935 Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Little Bolton ED, institution, or vessel: 20 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Ann Elizth Hargreaves abt 1860 Sherington, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Bolton Lancashire View Record Emily Hargreaves abt 1864 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Bolton Lancashire View Record Esther Hargreaves abt 1837 Great Harwood, Lancashire, England Wife Little Bolton Lancashire View Record Gervase Hargreaves abt 1863 Bolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Bolton Lancashire View Record John Hargreaves abt 1827 Sherington, Lancashire, England Head Little Bolton Lancashire View Record John Hargreaves abt 1860 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Son Little Bolton Lancashire View Record Margaret Alice Hargreaves abt 1870 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Bolton Lancashire View Record William Hargreaves abt 1865 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Son Little Bolton Lancashire Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Maxine Capezza [mailto:mcapezza@earthlink.net] Sent: 22 June 2006 20:25 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1871 census look up for Hargreaves Hello Listers, Could someone please do a look up in the 1871 census for Bolton? John Hargreaves, born 10 June 1827 wife Esther, born c.1836 Their children were: Greaves born 1863 Emily, born 1864 William, born 1865 John, born 1866 Margaret Alice born 1870 Ephrain born 1875 Thank you so much. Maxine Capezza ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====