Thanks to all those who responded to my message re unknown soldier's uniform. It seems increasingly likely that he served in the Middle East during World War I. All I have to do now is find his surname!! Valerie

I haven't got a dictionary of place names but my dictionary of surnames gives the origin of Bolton as.... 'Place with houses/huts, groups of buildings, centre of a village' OE The Dictionary of British Place Names has ..... Bolton, a common name in the North of England, from OE *bthl-tn 'settlement with a special building'; examples include: Bolton Bolton. Boelton 1185. Bolton by Bowland Lancs. Bodeltone 1086 (DB). The district-name Bowland (Boelanda 1102) probably means 'district within the curved valley (of the River Hodder)', OE boga 'bow, bend' + land. Bolton, Castle N. Yorks. Bodelton 1086 (DB). Affix from the castle built here in 1379. Bolton le Sands Lancs. Bodeltone 1086 (DB). Affix means 'on the sands'. Bolton Percy N. Yorks. Bodeltune 1086 (DB), Bolton Percy 1305. Manorial affix from its possession by the de Percy family (from 1086). Bolton upon Dearne Barns. Bodeltone 1086 (DB). The river-name Dearne is possibly from OE derne 'hidden', but may be of Celtic origin. "Bolton" A Dictionary of British Place-Names. A. D. Mills. Oxford University Press, 2003. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press. Bedfordshire County Council. 17 July 2006 <http://www.oxfordreference.com/views/ENTRY.html?subview=Main&entry=t40.e194 0> (Sorry but the OE does not display in plain text!) Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Valerie [mailto:v.lirakis@ntlworld.com] Sent: 13 July 2006 23:34 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Boltons, various As I understand that the name Bolton means town in a bowl,I assume this is why there are so many places of the same name.

A while ago I remember using a name-searchable database on the Internet for retired railway staff. Does anyone have the site address please. Barry Bain

Thank you Jim for your reply. I know that my Grandfather was in Egypt at sometime in the great war for I once saw a photograph of him and a group of others beside a pyramid. I don't know where that photograph went to unfortunately. My Father always said that his Father suffered an injury and had shrapnel in his leg for the rest of his life. He was alleged to have received this injury in the Dardanelles. I have never known what the link was between the Loyal North Lancashire and the Kings Liverpool Regt. Perhaps like your Grandfather he was transferred after his injury. The only little bit of extra information I have is on his form Certificate of Employment During the war. (Army form Z.18.) signed by a Major commanding 'A' Co.1st G.B.unit. The object of this certificate was to assist the soldier in obtaining employment on his return to civil life. Bob Thornley has sent me a site to investigate and I will try to make sense of all the this information. Many thanks again for your reply. Maureen

Hi Maureen, There's a lot of information on the internet if you Google "Loyal North Lancashire". For example, http://www.1914-1918.net/loyals.htm has the following: ------ 1/12th Battalion (Pioneers) Formed at Lytham St. Annes, April 1915. Attached to 69th Division between 13 May 1916 and 1 June 1916. 1 June 1916 : attached as Pioneer Bn to 60th Division. 16 November 1916 : transferred to 32nd Division. January 1917 : left Division and moved to Salonika, rejoining 60th Division on 23 January 1917. 10 April 1918 : transferred to 74th Division. ----- There's more at http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/047Loyal.htm And a lot more infomation to browse from the same search string. I hope that helps a bit. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: <Cephus28@aol.com> > Would anybody know if it would be possible for me to find out what > happened > to the 1/12 Loyal North Lancs Regiment in the great war.

Hi,Maureen re the Loyal North Lancashire regiment and the link to the Kings Liverpool regiment, my father also enlisted in the Loyals 1914. In the battle of the Somme 1916 he was wounded, later evacuated back to England. After convalesening in late 1917 he was recalled back to service with the 17th battalion Kings Liverpool's. After retraining this unit sailed for Russia with other units of the army , initially to stop the German led force's entering the Kola peninsular around Murmansk and Archangel, but later in 1918 to fight the Bolshevik forces. My father was also demobbed 1919, there might be a link. regads Jim Riding ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cephus28@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1/12 Loyal North Lancashire. > > Hello. > > Would anybody know if it would be possible for me to find out what happened > to the 1/12 Loyal North Lancs Regiment in the great war. > My Grandfather enlisted on 1st September 1915, his Regiment Number was 6708 > and he was a private. He was a Bolton born man living in Darwen at the time he > joined up. > Later in 1917 he was transferred to the 1/6 Kings Regiment and the Regiment > Number was 242980. > He was Demobilised in August 1819. > Many thanks > Maureen > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 14/02/2005

Hi list It may be of interest to know that Bolton Lads in the 42nd East Lancashires embarked for Egypt in September 1914, landing in Alexandria on 25th Sept. They then went to the canal zone to defend the Suez canal against the Turks. It may be that they originally had the uniform shown in the photo although my g.father who was in the RFA connected to the 42nd, was photographed without a hat or cap. In April 1915 they went to Gallipoli and suffered badly there. Details of this are on the "Long Long Trail" website http://www.1914-1918.net/ . This site is v interesting - well worth visiting. Brian T. Hampshire. -----Original Message----- From: James Riding [mailto:james@seamus132.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 14 July 2006 11:08 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: british arny head wear 3k Hi List, 3k, the British army abandoned its scarlet uniform after the disatourous Zulu wars, and replaced it with Khaki uniforms for the Boer war. the headgear shown was used in that conflict, Khaki made soldiers less conspicuous blending with the landscape, and the possibility it might have been used in WW1 in the eastern Mediterranean, Egypt Mesopotamia and Palestine. Jim Riding --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 ______________________________

Hello. Would anybody know if it would be possible for me to find out what happened to the 1/12 Loyal North Lancs Regiment in the great war. My Grandfather enlisted on 1st September 1915, his Regiment Number was 6708 and he was a private. He was a Bolton born man living in Darwen at the time he joined up. Later in 1917 he was transferred to the 1/6 Kings Regiment and the Regiment Number was 242980. He was Demobilised in August 1819. Many thanks Maureen

Probably most of those in Lancashire. You perhaps intended to formulate a meaningful question? Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: <Bragene@aol.com> > In a message dated 7/13/06 6:04:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > v.lirakis@ntlworld.com writes: > > Kelly's 1895 Directory of Lancashire > What towns does this Directory include?

According to Wiki.... "Brigadier Sir Harry Burnett Lumsden began the use of Khaki for British Army regiments serving under him in India in 1848. All British troops in India adopted khaki in 1885 having previously used white as the tropical colour. The Boers used khaki clothing as camouflage in the First Boer War; in the Second Boer War the British did as well." Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: James Riding [mailto:james@seamus132.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 14 July 2006 11:08 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] british arny head wear 3k Hi List, 3k, the British army abandoned its scarlet uniform after the disatourous Zulu wars, and replaced it with Khaki uniforms for the Boer war. the headgear shown was used in that conflict, Khaki made soldiers less conspicuous blending with the landscape, and the possibility it might have been used in WW1 in the eastern Mediterranean, Egypt Mesopotamia and Palestine.

Thanks Valerie for the Fletcher bricks info. My email to the man in charge of the Lancashire brick collection bounced, so no luck there. Regards Peter Wood

In a message dated 7/13/06 6:04:00 PM Central Daylight Time, v.lirakis@ntlworld.com writes: Kelly's 1895 Directory of Lancashire What towns does this Directory include?

Hi List, 3k, the British army abandoned its scarlet uniform after the disatourous Zulu wars, and replaced it with Khaki uniforms for the Boer war. the headgear shown was used in that conflict, Khaki made soldiers less conspicuous blending with the landscape, and the possibility it might have been used in WW1 in the eastern Mediterranean, Egypt Mesopotamia and Palestine. Jim Riding --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 14/02/2005

Taken from Kelly's 1895 Directory of Lancashire: William Fletcher, maker of all kinds of common, patent, fire and peculiar bricks, plastic and semi-dry to architects' designs. Slate and sanitary pipe merchant; sand and gravel; also ballast for concrete. Brookfield Brick Works, Tonge & Victoria Works, Horwich. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wood [mailto:st.peter@paradise.net.nz] Sent: 13 July 2006 01:55 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Fletcher Bricks Does anyone know about a brickworks in the Bolton area that made bricks stamped 'Fletcher Bolton'? Someone asked me about it and I'm wondering if there could be any connection with the Fletcher family who almost ran Atherton as a company town in the "coal age", but came originally from Bolton-Little Lever area. The brick may have come from an old Railway bridge dating back to the mid-late 19th century. Peter Wood ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

As I understand that the name Bolton means town in a bowl,I assume this is why there are so many places of the same name. Valerie

When I was a lad, Bolt-ons were things that you spent money on to kid yourself that they'd make your old banger go faster, but following a message from Martin Briscoe, my list of geographical Boltons has expanded a bit. Martin kindly provided the following link http://www.gazetteer.co.uk which provides a list of Boltons, complete with OS grid references These have been helpful both in disambiguating names and in weeding out duplicates from the combined list. One interesting addition that I hadn't been aware of, even though it's practically on the doorstep, is Little Bolton, a locality in Pendleton, Salford. This is not the same place as the erstwhile township of Little Bolton which in modern times has been subsumed into 'our' Bolton. The revised list, arranged in alphanumeric order by OS grid reference, is as follows: Bolton Muir NT5068 Scotland, east of Musselburgh, East Lothian Bolton NT5070 Scotland, east of Musselburgh, East Lothian Bolton Low Houses NY2344 Cumbria, between Cockermouth & Carlisle Bolton New Houses NY2444 Cumbria, S of Wigton Bolton with Adgarley SD2472 Cumbria, Urswick Bolton Woods NY2544 Cumbria, S of Wigton Boltonfellend NY4768 Cumbria, 10 miles NE of Carlisle Boltongate NY2240 Cumbria, between Workington & Calisle Bolton NU1013 Northumberland, west of Alnwick Bolton NY6323 Cumbria, between Appleby & Penrith Bolton Town End SD4867 Lancashire, N of Morecambe Bolton le Sands SD4868 Lancashire, N of Morecambe Bolton Green SD5517 Lancashire, Charnock Richard ******** Bolton SD7109 Lancashire (balefully, now in Gtr Manchester) Bolton-le-Moors historical name for Bolton or parts of Bolton Great Bolton -do- Little Bolton -do- (not to be confused with LB, Pendleton) ********* Bolton-by-Bowland Bolton-by-Bolland (old name for Bolton-by-Bowland, was Yorkshire) SD7849 Lancashire, Ribble Valley Castle Bolton SE0391 Yorkshire, Wensleydale, SW of Richmond Bolton Bridge SE0653 Yorkshire, between Skipton & Blubberhouses Bolton Abbey SE0753 Yorkshire, between Skipton & Blubberhouses Bolton Woods SE1635 or SE1535 (?) Yorkshire, between Bradford and Shipley Bolton Outlane SE1735 Yorkshire, between Bradford and Shipley Bolton-on-Swale SE2599 Yorkshire, between Catterick & Scorton Bolton Upon Dearne SE4502 Yorkshire, between Barnsley & Doncaster Bolton Percy SE5341 Yorkshire, between Tadcaster & Selby Bolton SE7752 Yorkshire, between York and Driffield Little Bolton SJ7898 Lancashire, Pendleton roughly between Eccles & Trafford Park (not to be confused with LB ancient township, now Bolton as above) Boltonhill SM9211 Pembrokeshire There are five places called simply 'Bolton', plus others with that name included. Some of these might be questioned as to their qualification to appear in the list, but there are no particular rules, so I've erred on the side of inclusion. For example I did wonder about Boltonfellend, but Google turns up many references, including flower deliverers, estate agents, business advisers and transvestites. That's more than cosmopolitan enough for me, so in it goes. In spite of all that, this is probably still an incomplete list, so it's a work in progress, awaiting additions and corrections. Taking up Martin's thought, if Valerie thinks it's worth adding to her website I'll be happy to re-format it to suit. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton

Hi Peter, It might be worth emailing the link on this site http://www.aboutlancs.com/holts.htm relating to the very extensive Henry Holt Brick Collection, to see if any information is available. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Peter Wood" <st.peter@paradise.net.nz> > Does anyone know about a brickworks in the Bolton area that made bricks > stamped 'Fletcher Bolton'?

Hi Barb, There are several places scattered about the UK, with the name Bolton or with Bolton in their name. I've been jotting them down for a little while, as I've spotted them. You'll see there's more than one in what was Cumberland. Here's my list so far: Bolton Lancashire (officially, sadly, now in Gtr Manchester) Bolton-le-Moors historical name for Bolton or parts of Bolton Great Bolton -do- Little Bolton -do- Bolton le Sands Lancashire, north of Morecambe Bolton Green Lancashire, Charnock Richard Bolton-by-Bowland Lancashire, Ribble Valley Bolton-by-Bolland (old name for the above, was Yorkshire) Bolton Yorkshire, between York and Driffield Bolton Upon Dearne Yorkshire, between Barnsley & Doncaster Bolton Abbey Yorkshire, between Skipton & Blubberhouses Bolton Bridge Yorkshire, between Skipton & Blubberhouses Bolton-on-Swale Yorkshire, between Catterick & Scorton Bolton Percy Yorkshire, between Tadcaster & Selby Castle Bolton Yorkshire, Wensleydale, s.w. of Richmond Bolton with Adgarley Cumbria, Urswick Bolton Cumbria, between Appleby & Penrith Bolton Low Houses Cumbria, between Cockermouth & Carlisle Bolton Northumberland, west of Alnwick Bolton Scotland, east of Musselburgh, East Lothian There are probably others, it would be interesting to know. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> > Ah !! I didn't know there was a Cumberland .. Bolton. Apologies.

Does anyone know about a brickworks in the Bolton area that made bricks stamped 'Fletcher Bolton'? Someone asked me about it and I'm wondering if there could be any connection with the Fletcher family who almost ran Atherton as a company town in the "coal age", but came originally from Bolton-Little Lever area. The brick may have come from an old Railway bridge dating back to the mid-late 19th century. Peter Wood

Hi Barb, I believe that this news article refers to Bolton in Cumberland not Bolton in Lancashire which is the subject of this mailing list. Cheers, Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Barb Baker [mailto:bbaker48@sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, 13 July 2006 6:56 AM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Bolton Low Houses from THE WEST CUMBERLAND TIMES, Saturday, October 18, 1884 The anniversary of the Sunday School was held on Sunday and Monday in the Primitive Methodist Chapel, Bolton. On Sunday there were two services, afternoon and evening, conducted by Mr. John THOMPSON, Wedholme Hill, when the scholars gave a selection of sacred songs, dialogues, and recitations, in a most creditable manner. At four o'clock on Monday, tea was provided in the chapel. The following ladies had trays and presided: - Mrs. T. BACKLOCK Mrs. LIGHTFOOT Miss. FOSTER Miss. LIGHTFOOT. After tea a public meeting was held, Mr. James LIGHTFOOT in the chair. The speakers were: - Mr. William FOSTER, Wigton Mr. William TAIT, Fletchertown Rev. Jackson HARDING, the new minister for the Wigton circuit. Mr. John DAVIDSON, of Fletchertown, presided at the harmonium. Each service was crowded, many being not able to gain admittance. The collections far surpassed those of any previous year.