Can anyone advise me on how to trace my paternal grandmother, as her trail has gone cold. She was shown as MARY HANNAH WADDICAR when she married my grandfather JAMES THOMAS HALSTEAD in Bolton (1889 - Q3 - 8c/385). In the 1891 census returns (RG12/3119/3/50a/33) she was shown as MARY H HALSTEAD (aged 25 - born in LITTLE LEVER) living at 4 Back Rose St., Bolton (Holy Trinity Parish) along with my grandfather JAMES HALSTEAD (25) and his children ALBERT (1) and ELIZABETH A (3) (another enigma). In the 1901 census returns (RG13/ 3631/40/13) she was shown as MARY B HALSTEAD (a transcription error!) (aged 35 - born in BOLTON) living at 19 McKean? St., Bolton (St Bartholomews Parish) along with my grandfather JAMES HALSTEAD and his children ALBERT (11), HARRY (9), EMILY (7), MABEL (4) and HILDA (2). I can see a HANNAH WADDICAR born in Bolton (1886 - Q2 - 8c/293) but I can't confirm that this is her - all of my grandparents had died before I was born and now, alas, so have all of their children. I know that she is none of the following 1885 births:- MARY HANNAH WADDICAR born in Bolton (Q2 - 8c/377) MARY WADDICAR born in Bolton (Q3 - 8c/276) , who is a Mary Hannah MARY HANNAH WADDICAR born in Blackburn (Q1 - 8e/372) nor either of the MARY H WADDICORs born in Darwen in 1985. I don't want to give up on this lady so any help that anyone can give to this novice would be much appreciated. Regards, Allan Halstead

Hi Just to let you know Bolton Archives is closed for stock taking from 5.00pm 28th August 2006 Re-opens 9.00am Tues 12th September 2006 Sue

Thanks to Bob for the extra info on the Higsons. As it happens I am descended from a line of Deane parish Higsons who migrated downhill to the warmer climes of Atherton, but that was not my reason for searching the births of these people. They were all victims of the Pretoria Disaster and I have been gathering info for a project with Pam Clarke and the Westhoughton Local History Soc. So Cassie, to answer your question, I have no personal family interest in the Ball family other than that Job died down Pretoria too. I note that Job Ball's parents (James Ball & Hannah Higson) married in Bolton district in 1854, but maybe James came into the area from further to the SW. Regards Peter Wood

Many thanks Valerie Can I take those are all baptisms and not births? Regards Peter At 10:14 31/07/2006 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Peter, > >I've found these on my CD of St. Mary's, Deane baptisms: >

I am looking for help to find the births/baptisms of the following people who were all born in Rumworth/Deane, so possibly baptised at Deane St Mary. Job BALL born 1858? There is a member-submitted IGI with a birth 3 Oct 1858 but no baptism date - I am always suspicious of those records. Paul THOMASSON born late 1867 parents James & Mary James UNSWORTH born late 1880 son of James & Margaret Peter HIGSON born late 1864 son of ? & Ellen (widow in 1871) John HIGSON born 1865 parents not known William HIGSON born 1887 son of the above John & Ann If anyone can help please with a lookup at Bolton I'd be very grateful. Peter Wood

Civil parish: Little Bolton Ecclesiastical parish: St George Town: Bolton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 304 Bark Street Source information: RG9/2824 Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Little Bolton ED, institution, or vessel: 19e Folio: 29 Page: 14 Household schedule number: 78 GSU Number: 543034 Here is the Census of 1861 in which I found the Rosthorn grandchildren. could this help in finding the baptismal records of the children? Please see my previous email. Nancy Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Alfred Broady abt 1841 Bolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Bolton Lancashire Daniel Broady abt 1797 Ireland Head Little Bolton Lancashire Elizabeth Broady abt 1801 Heywood, Lancashire, England Wife Little Bolton Lancashire Jane Broady abt 1845 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Bolton Lancashire Jane Rosthorn abt 1854 Bolton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Little Bolton Lancashire William Rosthorn abt 1856 Bolton, Lancashire, England Grandson Little Bolton Lancashire Sarah A Williams abt 1837 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Boarder Little Bolton Lancashire

In the 1861 census I find two grandchildren of Daniel and Elizabeth Brady listed in their household. They were Jane Rosthorn, age 7, born abt 1854. William Rosthorn, age 5, born abt 1856. I have no idea who their parnets were. Is it possible to find a baptism for them? I feel that their mother was a daughter of the Bradys. I only know of two daughters, Mary Brady, born Ireland and Emma Brady, born Heywood. there may have been others. Thank you for any help or sugesstions you can give. Nancy

Yes, these are baptisms. There weren't any giving the date of birth. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wood [mailto:st.peter@paradise.net.nz] Sent: 31 July 2006 10:42 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Looking for baptisms at DEANE Many thanks Valerie Can I take those are all baptisms and not births? Regards Peter At 10:14 31/07/2006 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Peter, > >I've found these on my CD of St. Mary's, Deane baptisms: >

Hi Peter, This looks possible: John Higson, Over Hulton, Occ: Miner, and Mary Ann, baptised three of their children on 16 Dec 1866: b. 04/01/1862 Daniel Higson b. 30/11/1862 Mary Higson b. 25/07/1866 John Higson Source MLHFS / Bolton FHS CD St Mary's Deane Parish Church Baptisms 1813 to1886, Nov 2003 I hope that helps. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Valerie" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Looking for baptisms at DEANE > Hi Peter, > I've found these on my CD of St. Mary's, Deane baptisms: > Job Ball, 2.1.1859, parents James and Hannah, Rumworth, Miner > Peter Higson, 4.12.1864, parents Thomas and Ellen, Rumworth, Miner > John Higson, 1.7.1866, parents Thomas and Ellen, ditto > Paul Thomasson, 21.7.1867, parents James and Mary, Rumworth, Miner > > I've not been able to find John Higson, c. 1865 > > The Baptismal records end at 1886. > > Valerie

Hi Peter, I've found these on my CD of St. Mary's, Deane baptisms: Job Ball, 2.1.1859, parents James and Hannah, Rumworth, Miner Peter Higson, 4.12.1864, parents Thomas and Ellen, Rumworth, Miner John Higson, 1.7.1866, parents Thomas and Ellen, ditto Paul Thomasson, 21.7.1867, parents James and Mary, Rumworth, Miner I've not been able to find John Higson, c. 1865 The Baptismal records end at 1886. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wood [mailto:st.peter@paradise.net.nz] Sent: 31 July 2006 08:32 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Looking for baptisms at DEANE I am looking for help to find the births/baptisms of the following people who were all born in Rumworth/Deane, so possibly baptised at Deane St Mary. Job BALL born 1858? There is a member-submitted IGI with a birth 3 Oct 1858 but no baptism date - I am always suspicious of those records. Paul THOMASSON born late 1867 parents James & Mary James UNSWORTH born late 1880 son of James & Margaret Peter HIGSON born late 1864 son of ? & Ellen (widow in 1871) John HIGSON born 1865 parents not known William HIGSON born 1887 son of the above John & Ann If anyone can help please with a lookup at Bolton I'd be very grateful. Peter Wood

Thank you to Dot, Iain and Jeff for you help. I will be making a trip to the UK later this year and as I am travelling alone I can spend as much time as I like at the Bolton Archives. regards Robin in Oz

Robin, Being an ex-Boltonian, there is only one Newspaper in Bolton that covers Births, Deaths and Marriages, and that is the Bolton Evening News. If you type that heading in to anyone of your search engines or Newspapers in Bolton, Lancashire, then you should be able to list your search details. Good Luck. Jeff McGowen gnasher49@yahoo.co.uk ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 218 Today's Topics: #1 Inquest ["Robin Ireland" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D, send a message to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D list administrator, send mail to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:39:25 +1000 From: "Robin Ireland" <rireland@tadaust.org.au> To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Inquest Maybe someone could answer my question. I have an ancester whose death required an inquest which was performed on 26 Sep 1885 by the coroner for Lancaster. I believe more information about the inquest would be available in a newspaper. What newspaper in the Bolton area would report on inquests at this time? Robin Sydney Australia

Hi Robin, I've pasted a couple of pages of a guide to the resources of the Bolton Archive and Local Studies Unit. NEWSPAPERS Our extensive holdings of local newspapers are available on microfilm. Microfilm Readers may be booked in advance. Recent editions of local newspapers and all holdings of national newspapers are available at the Central Enquiry Desk in the main library. This list also includes material available at the British Library, 18 Colindale Avenue, London NW9 5HE and at Farnworth, Horwich and Westhoughton Community Libraries (entries in italics). ‘Main’ titles are given in bold type. Bolton Catholic Herald Weekly 1908-1909 Bolton Catholic Herald Weekly British Library 1908-1934 Bolton Chronicle Weekly 1825-1917 Bolton Chronicle (Metro News) Weekly 1979-1996 Bolton Daily Chronicle Daily 1873-1885 Bolton Daily Chronicle Daily British Library 1885-1907 Bolton Evening Echo Daily 1894 Bolton Evening Guardian Daily 1873-1893 Bolton Evening News Daily 1867-date Bolton Examiner Weekly 1858-1861 Bolton Express Weekly 1823-1826 Bolton Express and County Effective Advertiser Weekly 1888-1896 Bolton Free Press Weekly 1835-1847 Bolton Guardian (formerly Bolton Independent) Weekly 1859-1893 Bolton Journal (later Journal and Guardian) Weekly 1871-1976 Bolton Journal Weekly 1985-date Bolton Mercury Weekly 1853-1854 Bolton Metro News: see Bolton Chronicle Bolton Monthly Advertiser (Mackies) Monthly 1849-1859,1868-1876,1878-1892 Bolton Spectator Weekly 1857-1858 LOCAL STUDIES AND SPECIAL COLLECTIONS NEWSPAPERS Bolton Standard Weekly British Library 1923-1961 Bolton Star Weekly 1891-1892 Buff: see Football Field Farnworth Chronicle Weekly Farnworth Library 1906-1917 Farnworth Express Weekly Farnworth Library 1890-1891 Farnworth Journal Weekly Farnworth Library 1873-1975 Farnworth Observer Weekly Farnworth Library 1868-1873 Football Field (later Cricket and Football Field and The Buff) Weekly 1884-1988 Horwich Chronicle: Weekly Horwich Library 1888-1916 Horwich and Westhoughton Journal: Weekly Horwich Library 1927-1980 Horwich and Westhoughton Journal Weekly Westhoughton Library 1927-1980 Manchester Courier Weekly 1825-1826 Manchester Mercury Weekly 1752-1830 North West Times Weekly 1988 Teddy Ashton’s Journal and Northern Weekly Weekly 1896-1908 Westhoughton Echo Weekly Westhoughton Library 1890-1891 Westhoughton & Hindley Times Weekly Westhoughton Library 1894 Westhoughton Recorder Weekly Westhoughton Library 1895-1903 LOCAL STUDIES AND SPECIAL COLLECTIONS NEWSPAPER INDEXES Detailed indexes are available for some of the local newspapers listed above. These are available on the open access shelves in the Archive and Local Studies Searchroom. Bolton Express 1823-1826 Bolton Chronicle 1825-1835, 1846-1871 Bolton Free Press 1835-1847. Bolton Journal 1871-1934 In addition we also hold copies of indexes to: Farnworth Observer and Farnworth Journal 1867-1962 Horwich and Westhoughton Journal 1871-1959 Farnworth Journal (Service Personnel) World War I 1914-1919 These newspapers are available at the respective Community Libraries (see list of newspapers on the previous page). Some indexes have been compiled by the newspaper publishers themselves; these are not as detailed as our own indexes listed above, but copies are available in the Searchroom Bolton Evening News 1867-1962 Bolton Journal 1871-1959 Also available are detailed indexes of servicemen and women whose names appeared in the Bolton Journal during the first and second World Wars. These refer to persons killed, missing or wounded and to those awarded honours and medals World War I 1914-1919 World War II 1939-1946 NEWSPAPER CUTTINGS The Newspaper Cuttings Collection is very extensive. It consists of three main sequences which contain subject, topographical and biographical information. The biographical cuttings index also contains references to obituaries in local newspapers. First or ‘Old’ Sequence Places and Subjects 1931-1966 Biographical 1875-1976 Borough Engineer’s Cuttings 1927-1989 Libraries 1905-1985 Planning Collection 1926-1989 Whitehead Collection 1948-1978 Second or ‘New’ Sequence Places and Subjects 1966-1998 Biographical 1976-1998 Libraries 1985-1998 LOCAL STUDIES AND SPECIAL COLLECTIONS NEWSPAPER CUTTINGS Third Sequence Places and Subjects 1999-2004 Biographical 1999-2004 Libraries 1999-2004 FAMILY HISTORY SOURCES Full details of our family history sources, most of which are on microfiche or microfilm are given in our other publication, “Tracing Your Ancestors in Bolton”. > Maybe someone could answer my question. I have an ancester whose death required an inquest which was performed on 26 Sep 1885 by the coroner for Lancaster. I believe more information about the inquest would be available in a newspaper. What newspaper in the Bolton area would report on inquests at this time? > Robin > Sydney Australia -- Iain Lee -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Maybe someone could answer my question. I have an ancester whose death required an inquest which was performed on 26 Sep 1885 by the coroner for Lancaster. I believe more information about the inquest would be available in a newspaper. What newspaper in the Bolton area would report on inquests at this time? Robin Sydney Australia

Hi Thanks for youre help I thought that in the case of a widdower getting it might give his age or the name of his first wife thanks Jim

Jim, the parish records of Deane are all in the Bolton records office. St Mary's has an archivist but not sure if they retain any records themselves. Barbara

Marriage Certificates only began with civil registration from 1837. Before that date there is just the entry in the church register which can be viewed on film at various places which is presumably what you have seen. There are transcriptions but it is best to have a look at a film of the original because there might be more information than has been transcribed. There also might be a record of the banns before the marriage, if one of them came from another parish then there will also be a record in the banns for that parish. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy [mailto:doris.higson@ntlworld.com] Sent: 22 July 2006 09:21 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] St Marys Deane Hi Val I have found an ancester in the parish records at St Marys Deane could I get a marriage certificate from 1773 if i contact them Regards Jim ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====

Hi Val I have found an ancester in the parish records at St Marys Deane could I get a marriage certificate from 1773 if i contact them Regards Jim

Thanks Valerie That's the site I was looking for, unfortunately it's temporarily closed down for improvement. Thanks again Barry ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Barry, > > I think it might have been the National Railway Museum, > http://www.nrm.org.uk/research/index.asp > > Valerie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Bain [mailto:B-Bain@rhoslan1.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: 17 July 2006 13:57 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Railway workers > > A while ago I remember using a name-searchable database on the Internet > for > retired railway staff. Does anyone have the site address please. > Barry Bain > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Barry, I think it might have been the National Railway Museum, http://www.nrm.org.uk/research/index.asp Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Barry Bain [mailto:B-Bain@rhoslan1.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 17 July 2006 13:57 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Railway workers A while ago I remember using a name-searchable database on the Internet for retired railway staff. Does anyone have the site address please. Barry Bain