Paul Thanks for this information. I was able with your help to find the street on my 1910 Ordnance Survey map. Coincidentally it iwas one street over from Isabel Street where my mother was born 2 years later - but Robert Mann was my paternal great grandfather! So far I have no-one on Walter Street. It was quite a way from there to Horatio Street where my great grandmother was staying at her daughter's home, and even further from his own home in Victoria Grove. Perhaps I will discover a previously unknown relative there! Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Dixon" <rpdixon@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] WALTER STREET > Hi Anne > > It looks like an ordinary street to me. From my recollections there were > nothing > other than houses. The link below shows where it was:- > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=370565&y=408248&z=2 > > If you go to:- > > http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Bolton-le-Moors/images/full/Bolton_OS_ssw.jpg > > You will find it on that map, just above the centre. > If this is not the correct street, there is also a Walter St in Farnworth > approximately here:- > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=373005&y=406815&z=2 > > Regards, Paul Dixon > Carrollton, Texas > > --- Anne Ohlgren <aohlgren@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Hello listers >> Does anyone know where Walter Street was in Bolton in 1913? My great >> grandfather >> died at 32 Walter Street, but that was not where he lived. I wondered if >> it was a >> hospital of some kind?He died of throat cancer. >> Anne in Victoria BC > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

are you connected to genes etc am prepared to open tree Ken Walker > Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:20:58 +1200> From: joyw@xtra.co.nz> Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] FLETCHER FAMILY for joyw in nz> To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Hi Again,> Am pleased to know I am still on the list.> Yes Ken I have more rellies.> Regards Joy W N.Z> > ---- ken walker <kwalker17@msn.com> wrote: > > got any other rels?> > > > Ken Walker> > > > > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:14:09 +1200> From: joyw@xtra.co.nz> To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] FLETCHER FAMILY> > Hi All,> I have not any mail from the list for several days. > Am useing a new computer and hope I haven't lost you some how.> I am still looking for the Parents of JOHN FLETCHER. Born 1817. Married ELIZABTH FARNWORTH..> Regards Joy W.> New Zealand.> > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other.> > ==============================> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for! > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more:> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> > > _________________________________________________________________> > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail.> > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d> > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====> > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming.> > > > ==============================> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months.> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx> > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other.> > ==============================> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the> last 12 months. Largest online ! collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd .ashx> _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Hi All, I have not any mail from the list for several days. Am useing a new computer and hope I haven't lost you some how. I am still looking for the Parents of JOHN FLETCHER. Born 1817. Married ELIZABTH FARNWORTH.. Regards Joy W. New Zealand.

Hi Anne It looks like an ordinary street to me. From my recollections there were nothing other than houses. The link below shows where it was:- http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=370565&y=408248&z=2 If you go to:- http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Bolton-le-Moors/images/full/Bolton_OS_ssw.jpg You will find it on that map, just above the centre. If this is not the correct street, there is also a Walter St in Farnworth approximately here:- http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=373005&y=406815&z=2 Regards, Paul Dixon Carrollton, Texas --- Anne Ohlgren <aohlgren@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hello listers > Does anyone know where Walter Street was in Bolton in 1913? My great grandfather > died at 32 Walter Street, but that was not where he lived. I wondered if it was a > hospital of some kind?He died of throat cancer. > Anne in Victoria BC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Sorry...The message should have said that I am sending a list of possible Rosthorn families off list. The finger worked before the brain! Sue

----- Original Message ----- From: <Bragene@aol.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1861 Census ROSTHORN > Here is the 1861 Census for Daniel Brady (Broady) and family which > includes > two grandchildren, Jane and William Rosthorn. Would it be possible to find > a > Rosthorn family living near the Broady family in 1861? > > Civil parish: Little Bolton > Ecclesiastical parish: St George > Town: Bolton > County/Island: Lancashire > Country: England > > Street address: 304 Bark Street > > Source information: RG9/2824 > Registration district: Bolton > Sub-registration district: Little Bolton > ED, institution, or vessel: 19e > Folio: 29 > Page: 14 > Household schedule number: 78 > GSU Number: 543034 > > > Alfred Broady abt 1841 Bolton, Lancashire, England Son Little > Bolton Lancashire > Daniel Broady abt 1797 Ireland Head Little Bolton Lancashire > Elizabeth Broady abt 1801 Heywood, Lancashire, England Wife > Little Bolton Lancashire > Jane Broady abt 1845 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter > Little Bolton Lancashire > Jane Rosthorn abt 1854 Bolton, Lancashire, England > Granddaughter Little Bolton Lancashire > William Rosthorn abt 1856 Bolton, Lancashire, England Grandson > Little Bolton Lancashire > Sarah A Williams abt 1837 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Boarder > Little Bolton Lancashire > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello listers Does anyone know where Walter Street was in Bolton in 1913? My great grandfather died at 32 Walter Street, but that was not where he lived. I wondered if it was a hospital of some kind?He died of throat cancer. Anne in Victoria BC

got any other rels? Ken Walker > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:14:09 +1200> From: joyw@xtra.co.nz> To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] FLETCHER FAMILY> > Hi All,> I have not any mail from the list for several days. > Am useing a new computer and hope I haven't lost you some how.> I am still looking for the Parents of JOHN FLETCHER. Born 1817. Married ELIZABTH FARNWORTH..> Regards Joy W.> New Zealand.> > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other.> > ==============================> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more:> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

got any other relations? Ken Walker > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:14:09 +1200> From: joyw@xtra.co.nz> To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] FLETCHER FAMILY> > Hi All,> I have not any mail from the list for several days. > Am useing a new computer and hope I haven't lost you some how.> I am still looking for the Parents of JOHN FLETCHER. Born 1817. Married ELIZABTH FARNWORTH..> Regards Joy W.> New Zealand.> > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other.> > ==============================> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more:> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Hi Joy, Here's a possible - Baptism: 11 April 1819 John FLETCHER Father: John FLETCHER, Labourer, Over Hulton Mother: Ann Source MLFHS / Bolton FHS CD St Mary's Deane Parish Church Baptisms 1813 to1886, Nov 2003 There were quite a few FLETCHERs around, but I hope that helps. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: <joyw@xtra.co.nz> > I am still looking for the Parents of JOHN FLETCHER. Born 1817. Married > ELIZABTH FARNWORTH.. > Regards Joy W. New Zealand.

Hi Val, Sorry for the typo. Of course I should have typed Wilson, not Ormrod, as the surname. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: val and dave [mailto:mountain.side@earthlink.net] Sent: 02 August 2006 20:12 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Wilson look-up Thanks Valerie, no wonder I couldn't find them, I was looking for "Wilson". Val in steamy Vermont, USA Valerie wrote:

Thanks Valerie, no wonder I couldn't find them, I was looking for "Wilson". Val in steamy Vermont, USA Valerie wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: val and dave [mailto:mountain.side@earthlink.net] >Sent: 02 August 2006 00:42 >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] question and look-up please > >ould SKS try to find this family in 1871? Here they are in 1861 and 1881. >In 1861 13 Back Ormrod St. Great Bolton RG9/2828/F59, pg. 4 >George Wilson 27 born Chorley, goods porter @ railway >Ellen Wilson 28 wife >Elizabeth Wilson 3 dau. >James Bleasdale 20 boarder >James Kay 21 Boarder > >Thanks in advance, Val Chadwick > > >Hi Val, > >Found your Wilson family, still living at 13 Back Ormrod Street, Gt. Bolton >in 1871. > >HO10/3940/F.26 > >George Ormrod, 37, Railway Clerk, born Chorley >Ellen, wife, 38, born Chorley >Elizabeth, daur, 13, weaver, born Chorley >Joseph, son, 8 Scholar, born Bolton > >Hope this helps. > >Valerie > > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Here is the 1861 Census for Daniel Brady (Broady) and family which includes two grandchildren, Jane and William Rosthorn. Would it be possible to find a Rosthorn family living near the Broady family in 1861? Civil parish: Little Bolton Ecclesiastical parish: St George Town: Bolton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 304 Bark Street Source information: RG9/2824 Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Little Bolton ED, institution, or vessel: 19e Folio: 29 Page: 14 Household schedule number: 78 GSU Number: 543034 Alfred Broady abt 1841 Bolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Bolton Lancashire Daniel Broady abt 1797 Ireland Head Little Bolton Lancashire Elizabeth Broady abt 1801 Heywood, Lancashire, England Wife Little Bolton Lancashire Jane Broady abt 1845 Bolton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Bolton Lancashire Jane Rosthorn abt 1854 Bolton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Little Bolton Lancashire William Rosthorn abt 1856 Bolton, Lancashire, England Grandson Little Bolton Lancashire Sarah A Williams abt 1837 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Boarder Little Bolton Lancashire

-----Original Message----- From: Sue Chapman [mailto:susan.chapman4@ntlworld.com] Sent: 01 August 2006 14:23 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] bolton archives Hi Just to let you know Bolton Archives is closed for stock taking from 5.00pm 28th August 2006 Re-opens 9.00am Tues 12th September 2006 Sue Thanks for this information, Sue. Valerie

-----Original Message----- From: val and dave [mailto:mountain.side@earthlink.net] Sent: 02 August 2006 00:42 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] question and look-up please ould SKS try to find this family in 1871? Here they are in 1861 and 1881. In 1861 13 Back Ormrod St. Great Bolton RG9/2828/F59, pg. 4 George Wilson 27 born Chorley, goods porter @ railway Ellen Wilson 28 wife Elizabeth Wilson 3 dau. James Bleasdale 20 boarder James Kay 21 Boarder Thanks in advance, Val Chadwick Hi Val, Found your Wilson family, still living at 13 Back Ormrod Street, Gt. Bolton in 1871. HO10/3940/F.26 George Ormrod, 37, Railway Clerk, born Chorley Ellen, wife, 38, born Chorley Elizabeth, daur, 13, weaver, born Chorley Joseph, son, 8 Scholar, born Bolton Hope this helps. Valerie

Alan Between 1865 and 1867 there is only one birth of a Mary Hannah Waddicar (Bolton June Qtr 1865 – 8c 377) This may be her as Little Lever is in the parish of Bolton. Tony Anderson Anthony Anderson (BA Hons) Manchester, Lancashire, England

Allan, > Oops, > > Sorry folks, > > Corrections to my last 2 paras which should have read:- > > "I can see a HANNAH WADDICAR born in Bolton (1866 - Q2 - 8c/293) but > I can't confirm that this is her - all of my grandparents had died > before I was born and now, alas, so have all of their children. > > I know that she is none of the following 1885 births:- MARY HANNAH WADDICAR born in Bolton (Q2 - 8c/377) MARY WADDICAR born in Bolton (Q3 - 8c/276), who is a Mary Hannah MARY HANNAH WADDICAR born in Blackburn (Q1 - 8e/372) nor either of the MARY H WADDICORs born in Darwen in 1865." You're still referring to 1885 births in this last paragraph - until you sort this out you'll be struggling. > I'm pretty sure that the lady in question can't be the MARY HANNAH > WADDICAR who appears in the 1881 census entry RG11/3839/60/30 living > at 27 Rose Hill, Great Bolton with family head Ralph Waddicar. She is > the 1885 - Q2 - 8c/377 birth entry referred to above How have you ruled out the 1865 Q2 8c 377 birth and hence the 1881 census information ? > and married Joseph Roberts in Bolton in 1884 (Q2 - 8c/404?) and was > still living with him in 1891 at the time that my grandmother was > living with my grandfather - RG12/3119/3/50a/33. How do you know that the Mary Waddicar (1865 Q2 8c 377) married Joseph Roberts ? Do you have that certificate and the 1865 birth certificate to (possibly) tie it up ? > I suppose I could apply for a copy of her marriage certificate to > ascertain her father's name and occupation (1889 - Q3 - 8c/385), > otherwise I seem to be up the creek without a paddle. Basic rule of the game - without it you tend to be guessing. It should also give her age at marriage which is another guideline. Cheers, Bob Winder

Oops, Sorry folks, Corrections to my last 2 paras which should have read:- "I can see a HANNAH WADDICAR born in Bolton (1866 - Q2 - 8c/293) but I can't confirm that this is her - all of my grandparents had died before I was born and now, alas, so have all of their children. I know that she is none of the following 1885 births:- MARY HANNAH WADDICAR born in Bolton (Q2 - 8c/377) MARY WADDICAR born in Bolton (Q3 - 8c/276) , who is a Mary Hannah MARY HANNAH WADDICAR born in Blackburn (Q1 - 8e/372) nor either of the MARY H WADDICORs born in Darwen in 1865." I'm pretty sure that the lady in question can't be the MARY HANNAH WADDICAR who appears in the 1881 census entry RG11/3839/60/30 living at 27 Rose Hill, Great Bolton with family head Ralph Waddicar. She is the 1885 - Q2 - 8c/377 birth entry referred to above and married Joseph Roberts in Bolton in 1884 (Q2 - 8c/404?) and was still living with him in 1891 at the time that my grandmother was living with my grandfather - RG12/3119/3/50a/33. I've corresponded with Amy Blocher who runs the Geocities US Waddicor/Waddicar Family Homepage and she can't help. I'd like to thank Jane Varol and Bob Winder for their help so far. I suppose I could apply for a copy of her marriage certificate to ascertain her father's name and occupation (1889 - Q3 - 8c/385), otherwise I seem to be up the creek without a paddle. Thanks. Allan Halstead.

Allan, > Can anyone advise me on how to trace my paternal grandmother, as her > trail has gone cold. > > She was shown as MARY HANNAH WADDICAR when she married my grandfather > JAMES THOMAS HALSTEAD in Bolton (1889 - Q3 - 8c/385). Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate that will hopefully show her father's name and occupation ? <snip> > I can see a HANNAH WADDICAR born in Bolton (1886 - Q2 - 8c/293) but I > can't confirm that this is her - all of my grandparents had died > before I was born and now, alas, so have all of their children. > > I know that she is none of the following 1885 births:- MARY HANNAH > WADDICAR born in Bolton (Q2 - 8c/377) MARY WADDICAR born in Bolton > (Q3 - 8c/276) , who is a Mary Hannah MARY HANNAH WADDICAR born in > Blackburn (Q1 - 8e/372) nor either of the MARY H WADDICORs born in > Darwen in 1985. Presumably all the years referred to in the above two paragraphs are 1865 or 1866 and not 1885 or 1886 or indeed 1985. In the 1881 Census transcription on CD there is: Dwelling: 27 Rose Hill Census Place: Great Bolton, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341917 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3839 Folio 60 Page 30 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Ralph WADDICAR M 47 M Belmont, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Engine Tenter At Factory (Dr) Mary WADDICAR M 51 F Little Lever, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife Jane WADDICAR U 20 F Little Lever, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Doubler In Cotton Factory Isabella WADDICAR U 18 F Little Lever, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Doubler In Cotton Factory Mary H. WADDICAR 15 F Little Lever, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Tobacco Twister Emma WADDICAR 13 F Little Lever, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John W. WADDICAR 9 M Bolton, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary H Waddicar born Little Lever and about the right age. Could be yours but you need the father's name to be a little more certain. Cheers, Bob Winder

Thoughts on this please: Joseph Wilson 1863 Bolton son of George Wilson 1834 Chorley, George Wilson 1866 Bolton son of Henry Wilson 1834 Bolton are living next door to each other on the 1901 census. Would it be a good bet they are related? Could SKS try to find this family in 1871? Here they are in 1861 and 1881. In 1861 13 Back Ormrod St. Great Bolton RG9/2828/F59, pg. 4 George Wilson 27 born Chorley, goods porter @ railway Ellen Wilson 28 wife Elizabeth Wilson 3 dau. James Bleasdale 20 boarder James Kay 21 Boarder in 1881 RG11/3843/29 pg. 51 George Wilson Head 47, Chorley, Railway Clerk Ellen Wilson wife 48 chorley Joseph Wilson son 18 Bolton, Engine Cleaner George E. Wilson 10 Bolton, son Winifred Wilson 15 daughter, Chorley Thanks in advance, Val Chadwick