There is a Dawes Street and Back Dawes Street with a very large number of Irish there in 1841 but I can't see Mellet. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Katrina [mailto:jencap@herplace.net] Sent: 15 August 2006 13:06 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Identifying street in Great Bolton Hello, I've joined this list after receiving the 1839 marriage certificate of my ancestors John MELLET and Briget LOFTUS at Pilkington Street Catholic Chapel (I think I got this part right).

Can't see her in a quick search of 1841, I'll try again in a minute There are these in earlier censuses in Great Bolton, don't know if significant. 1821 James MALLITT Deansgate 1831 Jas LOFTOS 103 Bradshawgate Jas MALLET 142 Deansgate Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Katrina [mailto:jencap@herplace.net] Sent: 15 August 2006 13:06 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Identifying street in Great Bolton Hello, I've joined this list after receiving the 1839 marriage certificate of my ancestors John MELLET and Briget LOFTUS at Pilkington Street Catholic Chapel (I think I got this part right).

Hi I was always told the name came from the term ' doff yer cockers' which was to cool your feet in the water after a days work. Stupid as this sounds the sign on the Doffcocker Inn depicts just this! Jonathan. >From: Dellcrom@aol.com >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] doffcockers >Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:58:26 EDT > > >Martin Briscoe wrote that Benjamin DOBSON house was already called >Doffcockers by the previous owner (WHITAKER) who also owned a mill by the >same name. >So why did he call it this? > >from >_http://www.thefreedictionary.com_ (http://www.thefreedictionary.com) >DoffŽer > > n. 1. (Mach.) A revolving cylinder, or a vibrating bar, with teeth, in >a >carding machine, which doffs, or strips off, the fiber from the cards. >2. >(Spinning) A worker who replaces full bobbins by empty ones on the >throstle or >ring frames. > > > >Derek Crompton >London South- East > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to >ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or >ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Doffockers was on the North side of Chorley Old Road across from the junction with Markland Hill Lane. Approximately where it now shows manorfield Close on my street map. I have a map showing the location if anyone wants to see. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Hi All, Until this topic started I'd never heard of Doffcockers Estate, in spite of living right next to Doffcocker, so I've been trying to find information about it; but so far with no success. Yesterday I'd followed a similar trail to Martin Briscoe's, and reached similar conclusions. There are also these relevant quotes to be found on the internet. They are all cached references, so I've included them in full, rather than just their URLs: From the Evening News, June 11, 1904: Doffcockers sale - not to be missed. MESSRS Lomax, Sons and Mills announce an important sale from Tuesday to Friday next at "Doffcockers," the residence of the late Sir Benjamin A. Dobson. The sale consists of drawing, dining, smoke and billiard room furniture, library and hall appointments, antique carved oak, the contents of 17 bedrooms, wines and spirits, oil-paintings, water-colour drawings and engravings, silver plate, cutlery, cut and engraved glass, china, breakfast, dinner, dessert and tea services, books, toy railway, etc. And ... From the Evening News, October 18, 1904: A MEETING for the waifs and strays was held at Doffcockers on the invitation of Mr and Mrs B Palin Dobson. And ... Funeral of Lady Dobson From the Evening News, March 11, 1904: This afternoon, in the vault in the churchyard of St Peter's Smithills containing the remains of her husband, Sir Benjamin Alfred Dobson, who was interred on March 7, all that is mortal of Lady Dobson, of Doffcockers, aged 51, whose good deeds will for many years to come be a grateful memory, was laid to rest. I've just been looking at the 1891 census information for Benjamin Dobson. He's on RG12-3103-104-9 at "Doffcockers", with his wife, 6 children and 7 servants living in, and with a coachman and family living in the stable yard, and a gardener and family living in the Lodge. The sequence of entries goes as follows: Bob's Smithy (still there, between Horwich and Bolton) 11 houses on Land's Fold, (?) Harper's Farm, (where Harpers Lane is now) Isherwood's Farm, (?) Fleet's Farm, (?) Old Hart's Farm, (?) Harwood's Farm, (?) Langshawford Farm, (?) Thurston's Farm (?) 20 houses on Mill Street (several of them unoccupied) then Doffcockers then 378 Chorley Old Rd. The sequence from Bob's Smithy, then heading towards the Bolton town centre via Harper's Farm and Chorley Old Road makes sense as a reasonably straight walk for the census enumerator. This would perhaps give a clue about where Mill Street might have been, and presumably it was in the Doffcocker Area, but I haven't yet found it or Doffcockers on any map. On the 1901 census, RG13-3608-130-8, his widow Coralie is shown living at "The Doffcockers". The preceding entries are for Faith St, and the succeeding entries start with 600 Chorley Old Rd. Faith St still exists, between Whitecroft Road and Doffcocker Brow. I'd be very interested to know exactly where Doffcockers was located. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> > The caption to the picture in the book referred to the 18th Century > hamlet. > > The area is marked as "Doffcocker" on the 1849 OS map which seems to be > before Doffcocker Lodge was there. I can't a house called Doffcockers > there > at that time. > > The trouble is that when you do a search on the web and find lots of > answers > is that often they all come from the source. The Wiki page quotes the > same > story but I bet the writer got it from the BEN. I suppose the "dark > winding > stream" could refer to Captain's Clough stream which must pass through > there > but there are often many theories on the origin of a name like that > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

The caption to the picture in the book referred to the 18th Century hamlet. The area is marked as "Doffcocker" on the 1849 OS map which seems to be before Doffcocker Lodge was there. I can't a house called Doffcockers there at that time. The trouble is that when you do a search on the web and find lots of answers is that often they all come from the source. The Wiki page quotes the same story but I bet the writer got it from the BEN. I suppose the "dark winding stream" could refer to Captain's Clough stream which must pass through there but there are often many theories on the origin of a name like that Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Jeffery McGowen [mailto:gnasher49@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 12 August 2006 15:12 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Re: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D Digest V06 #229 Derek Crompton, There was a big series running in the Bolton Evening Newspaper, in the late 1980's about the strange or more obscure names of Bolton Public Houses. One opinion about the Doffcocker Inn name, seemed to think that the name came from was a saying from an old Scotsman that used to walk past this Public House on Chorley Old Road either going into Bolton or going in the opposite direction to Horwich. Running past the public house which had a different name then, was an old stream, so the Scotsman who liked a drink stopped at the Public House, bought the drink and then stepped outside to rest his acheing feet. He took off his socks and soaked his feet in the stream, much to his relief. One day he was asked by a stranger what are you doing? And in his best Scottish accent replied that he was "Doffing his Cockers." He explained that in Scotland the term Doffing your Cockers" simply mean't "taking off your socks" and soaking your feet after a lengthy stroll, in the stream. As this procecedure went on outside the public house for a good few years with other travellers, the name of the Public House was changed to the Doffcocker Arms which then became the Doffcocker Inn.

Derek Crompton, There was a big series running in the Bolton Evening Newspaper, in the late 1980's about the strange or more obscure names of Bolton Public Houses. One opinion about the Doffcocker Inn name, seemed to think that the name came from was a saying from an old Scotsman that used to walk past this Public House on Chorley Old Road either going into Bolton or going in the opposite direction to Horwich. Running past the public house which had a different name then, was an old stream, so the Scotsman who liked a drink stopped at the Public House, bought the drink and then stepped outside to rest his acheing feet. He took off his socks and soaked his feet in the stream, much to his relief. One day he was asked by a stranger what are you doing? And in his best Scottish accent replied that he was "Doffing his Cockers." He explained that in Scotland the term Doffing your Cockers" simply mean't "taking off your socks" and soaking your feet after a lengthy stroll, in the stream. As this procecedure went on outside the public house for a good few years with other travellers, the name of the Public House was changed to the Doffcocker Arms which then became the Doffcocker Inn. It was also known locally as a "Calender Pub". Everything in the Public House when it was built, was based on a Yearly theme. There were 6 exits, 12 rooms, 144 glass panes etc. I don't know how much of this is true, but you could always write, phone or email the Bolton Evening News to confirm whether this tale or story has any truth in it. If you have access to the Internet, find a search engine and simply type in Doffcocker Inn in Bolton, there are hundreds of articles and pictures about it's history. Jeff McGowen ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 229 Today's Topics: #1 doffcockers [Dellcrom@aol.com] #2 RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] doffcockers ["Martin Briscoe" #3 Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] doffcockers [Dellcrom@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D, send a message to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D list administrator, send mail to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:36:31 EDT From: Dellcrom@aol.com To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: doffcockers What or where is a doffcockers ? I was reading .................... Dobson, Sir Benjamin Alfred (1847-1898), textile machinery manufacturer by D. A. Farnie _http://groups.msn.com/PatterdalePatter/yourwebpage1.msnw_ (http://groups.msn.com/PatterdalePatter/yourwebpage1.msnw) In 1876 Benjamin Dobson married Coralie Palin (1853–1904), daughter of William Thomas Palin, a railway engineer serving in India. They had six sons and three daughters. In 1886 Dobson bought the Doffcockers estate,..................... .............As the first citizen of the borough he held official functions for his fellow Boltonians, a ball for children in the town hall, a garden party at Doffcockers, and an autumn ................... In his fifty-first year, and apparently still in the prime of life, Dobson died at Doffcockers on 4 March 1898. The military funeral was attended by some 20,000 people,................. Derek Crompton London South- East ______________________________Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:02:08 +0100 From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] doffcockers IN Britain in Old Photographs Bolton & District By Chris Driver Picture of ... Doffcockers 1909. Named after mid-eighteenth century ... Originally the home of Mr Whitaker, proprietor of Doffcocker Mills. It was later the home of Mr Benjamin Dobson .... Demolished 1913. Its site is known locally as Doffers Wood Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Dellcrom@aol.com [mailto:Dellcrom@aol.com] Sent: 11 August 2006 19:37 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] doffcockers What or where is a doffcockers ? I was reading .................... Dobson, Sir Benjamin Alfred (1847-1898), textile machinery manufacturer by D. A. Farnie _http://groups.msn.com/PatterdalePatter/yourwebpage1.msnw_ (http://groups.msn.com/PatterdalePatter/yourwebpage1.msnw) In 1876 Benjamin Dobson married Coralie Palin (1853-1904), daughter of William Thomas Palin, a railway engineer serving in India. They had six sons and three daughters. In 1886 Dobson bought the Doffcockers estate,..................... .............As the first citizen of the borough he held official functions for his fellow Boltonians, a ball for children in the town hall, a garden party at Doffcockers, and an autumn ................... In his fifty-first year, and apparently still in the prime of life, Dobson died at Doffcockers on 4 March 1898. The military funeral was attended by some 20,000 people,................. Derek Crompton London South- East ______________________________Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:58:26 EDT From: Dellcrom@aol.com To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] doffcockers Martin Briscoe wrote that Benjamin DOBSON house was already called Doffcockers by the previous owner (WHITAKER) who also owned a mill by the same name. So why did he call it this? from _http://www.thefreedictionary.com_ (http://www.thefreedictionary.com) Doff´er n. 1. (Mach.) A revolving cylinder, or a vibrating bar, with teeth, in a carding machine, which doffs, or strips off, the fiber from the cards. 2. (Spinning) A worker who replaces full bobbins by empty ones on the throstle or ring frames. Derek Crompton London South- East

Sorry meant to send that direct to Derek! Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

There was something on the Doffcocker page in wikipedia about the origin of the name. I had always thought it was something to do with the doffing in cotton mills but it seems much older than that. There was one version of the origin on the page but I looked it up and got a completely different version! But I think it is often the case where there are many different ideas on the origin of a place name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doffcocker%2C_Bolton The history of the name is not certain but it is thought to be named after a Scotsman who was passing through the area and had to cross the stream that ran where the lodge is now. The stream's waters were exceptionally high following heavy rain, so to keep his stockings (cockers, as they were known in Scotland) dry the man was obliged to 'doff' them, and the name has stuck. I looked it up and got The derivation of this name is not clear, but it believed to be formed from the Celtic 'dubh' meaning dark or black, and the Celtic 'cocr' meaning a winding stream, so we get 'dark winding stream' which indeed leads to Doffcocker lodge. OED DOFFER One who or that which doffs. 1. In a carding machine, a comb or revolving cylinder which ‘doffs’ or strips off cotton or wool from the ‘cards’; a doffing-cylinder. 1825 [see DOFFING vbl. n. b]. 1842 J. BISCHOFF Woollen Manuf. II. 392 When it has passed over the last cylinder on to the drum, it is taken from it by a cylinder somewhat larger than the workers, and called a doffer. 1876 J. WATTS Brit. Manuf. III. 134 The doffer or doffing cylinder. attrib. 1825 J. NICHOLSON Operat. Mechanic 380 The main cylinder..is soon covered with cotton, and is divested of it by the doffer cylinder. 1854 Illustr. Lond. News 5 Aug. 118/4 Occupations of the People..Doffer-plate maker. 1875 Ure's Dict. Arts I. 969 The doffer-knife or comb for stripping the fleecy web from the doffer. 2. A worker employed in removing the full bobbins or spindles: see quot. 1894. Also duffer. 1862 Illustr. Lond. News XLI. 558/3 The Throstle Doffer. 1875 Ure's Dict. Arts I. 989 This loss of time, as well as the labour of the ‘doffers’, is abolished. 1893 Westm. Gaz. 22 Apr. 3/1 There are two classes of children employed, called cagers and duffers; little children, boys and girls, who assist the spinners. 1894 Labour Commission Gloss., Doffers, boys or girls from 12 to 15 years..employed to take off the full bobbins and to replace them on the throstle or ring frames by empty ones. 1894 Dundee Advertiser 27 Aug. 4 These included preparers, as they are called..stainers..duffers..reelers..and weavers. DOFFING The action of the verb DOFF. a. The putting or taking off of clothing, etc. 1606 HOLLAND Sueton. 231 To doe him the grace that he might have the D'offing of her shoes. 1643 G. WILDE Serm. St. Maries, Oxford 17 Those..who think a little d'offing off the Hat..Reverence enough for the Lords Annoynted; do not they Pillage him of his Divinity? 1847 EMERSON Poems, Song Nature, Too much of donning and doffing. b. Textile Manuf.: see DOFF v. 5 and DOFFER. doffing cylinder: a cylinder clothed with cards which takes off the fibres from the teeth of the main cylinder of a carding machine. doffing knife: a steel blade with finely toothed edge, which takes off the carded wool from the teeth of the doffer. So doffing-plate. 1825 J. NICHOLSON Operat. Mechanic 380 The doffer or taker-off, having affixed to it the steel comb called the doffing-plate. 1851 Art Jrnl. Catal. Gt. Exhib. p. iv**/2 A fine fleece of cotton..shorn or combed off from the opposite side of the cylinder by the vibratory action of the doffing knife. Ibid., A smaller drum card..called the doffer (stripper) or doffing cylinder..covered..with fillet cards. 1875 Ure's Dict. Arts I. 989 One of the most recent improvements in the throstle frame is that of Bernhardt's ‘doffing-motion’. DOFF 1. trans. To put off or take off from the body (clothing, or anything worn or borne); to take off or ‘raise’ (the head-gear) by way of a salutation or token of respect. c1350 Will. Palerne 2342 Dof blive {th}is bere skyn. c1400 MANDEVILLE (Roxb.) xxv. 120 He doffez his hatte. 1401 Pol. Poems (Rolls) II. 107 The sacred host..to whiche we knele and doffe our hodes. 1483 Cath. Angl. 103/1 To Doffe, exuere. 1595 SHAKES. John III. i. 128 Thou weare a Lyons hide! doff it for shame. 1596 SPENSER F.Q. VI. ix. 36 Calidore..doffing his bright armes, himselfe addrest In shepheards weed. 1621 G. SANDYS Ovid's Met. XIII. (1626) 259 Then made him d'off those weeds. 1714 GAY Sheph. Week IV. 21 Upon a rising Bank I sat adown, Then doff'd my Shoe. 1768 BEATTIE Minstr. I. xxxv, The little warriors doff the targe and spear. 1808 SCOTT Marm. VI. xi, Doffed his furred gown, and sable hood. 1859 TENNYSON Enid 1444 The..Earl..cast his lance aside, And doff'd his helm. {dag}b. Const. off; also intr. with with. Obs. rare. ?a1400 Morte Arth. 1023 {Th}ow doffe of thy clothes, And knele in thy kyrtylle. 1643 [see DOFFING vbl. n.]. 1764 FOOTE Mayor of G. II. Wks. 1799 I. 186 If you will doff with your boots, and box a couple of bouts. c. absol. To raise one's hat (to a person). rare. 1674 N. FAIRFAX Bulk & Selv. To Rdr., To look full on a Great man standing in my way, and not to vouchsafe him worth Doffing to. 1833 TENNYSON Goose 19 The grave churchwarden doff'd, The parson smirk'd and nodded. 2. refl. To undress oneself, put off one's clothes. Also fig. Now only dial. 1697 DE LA PRYME Diary (Surtees) 150 The quaker doffs him stark naked, and takeing a burning candle in his hand he goes to the church. [1838 J. SCHOLES Lanc. Witches in Harland L. Lyrics (1865) 133 ‘Hie thi whoam an' doff thi.’] 3. transf. and fig. To put off as a dress or covering; to throw off, lay aside; hence (in wider sense), to do away with, get rid of (anything associated with oneself). {dag}Also with off (obs.). 1592 SHAKES. Rom. & Jul. II. ii. 47. 1599 B. JONSON Ev. Man out of Hum. V. v, He..oftentimes d'offeth his owne nature and puts on theirs. 1605 SHAKES. Macb. IV. iii. 188 Your eye..would create Soldiours, make our women fight, To doffe their dire distresses. 1628 EARLE Microcosm., Vp-start Countrey Knt. (Arb.) 38 He ha's doft off the name of a Clowne. 1854-6 PATMORE Angel in Ho. I. II. x. (1879) 237 Love..doffed at last his heavenly state. 1867 BP. FORBES Exp. 39 Art. ii. (1881) 29 The Word is said to have donned human nature, never more to doff it. {dag}4. To put (any one) off (with an excuse, etc.); to turn aside: cf. DAFF v.2 2. Obs. 1622 Shaks. Oth. IV. ii. 176 (Qo. 1) Euery day thou dofftst [Fol. I. dafts] me with some deuise, Iago. a1637 B. JONSON Sad Sheph. I. ii, They..strew tods' hairs, or with their tails do sweep The dewy grass, to do'ff the simpler sheep. 1658-9 Burton's Diary (1828) IV. 67 They doffed us off as long as they could, and then locked up their doors. 5. Textile Manuf. a. To strip off the slivers of wool, cotton, etc., from the carding-cylinders. b. To remove the bobbins or spindles when full to make room for empty ones. See DOFFER. 1825 [see DOFFING vbl. n. b]. 1851 Art Jrnl. Catal. Gt. Exhib. p. iv **/2 This..instrument doffs the cotton in a fine transparent fleece. 1864 R. A. ARNOLD Cotton Fam. 33 Spinners..have, in technical language..to ‘doff the cops’; in other words..to remove and relieve the spindles of the spun yarn. 1879 Cassell's Techn. Educ. IV. 356/2. DOFF An act of doffing; a ‘put off’. 1606 Wily Beguiled in Hazl. Dodsley IX. 276 Lelia has e'en given him the doff here. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Dellcrom@aol.com [mailto:Dellcrom@aol.com] Sent: 12 August 2006 13:58 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] doffcockers Martin Briscoe wrote that Benjamin DOBSON house was already called Doffcockers by the previous owner (WHITAKER) who also owned a mill by the same name. So why did he call it this? from _http://www.thefreedictionary.com_ (http://www.thefreedictionary.com) Doff´er n. 1. (Mach.) A revolving cylinder, or a vibrating bar, with teeth, in a carding machine, which doffs, or strips off, the fiber from the cards. 2. (Spinning) A worker who replaces full bobbins by empty ones on the throstle or ring frames. 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Martin Briscoe wrote that Benjamin DOBSON house was already called Doffcockers by the previous owner (WHITAKER) who also owned a mill by the same name. So why did he call it this? from _http://www.thefreedictionary.com_ (http://www.thefreedictionary.com) Doff´er n. 1. (Mach.) A revolving cylinder, or a vibrating bar, with teeth, in a carding machine, which doffs, or strips off, the fiber from the cards. 2. (Spinning) A worker who replaces full bobbins by empty ones on the throstle or ring frames. Derek Crompton London South- East

IN Britain in Old Photographs Bolton & District By Chris Driver Picture of ... Doffcockers 1909. Named after mid-eighteenth century ... Originally the home of Mr Whitaker, proprietor of Doffcocker Mills. It was later the home of Mr Benjamin Dobson .... Demolished 1913. Its site is known locally as Doffers Wood Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Dellcrom@aol.com [mailto:Dellcrom@aol.com] Sent: 11 August 2006 19:37 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] doffcockers What or where is a doffcockers ? I was reading .................... Dobson, Sir Benjamin Alfred (1847-1898), textile machinery manufacturer by D. A. Farnie _http://groups.msn.com/PatterdalePatter/yourwebpage1.msnw_ (http://groups.msn.com/PatterdalePatter/yourwebpage1.msnw) In 1876 Benjamin Dobson married Coralie Palin (1853-1904), daughter of William Thomas Palin, a railway engineer serving in India. They had six sons and three daughters. In 1886 Dobson bought the Doffcockers estate,..................... .............As the first citizen of the borough he held official functions for his fellow Boltonians, a ball for children in the town hall, a garden party at Doffcockers, and an autumn ................... In his fifty-first year, and apparently still in the prime of life, Dobson died at Doffcockers on 4 March 1898. The military funeral was attended by some 20,000 people,................. Derek Crompton London South- East

What or where is a doffcockers ? I was reading .................... Dobson, Sir Benjamin Alfred (1847-1898), textile machinery manufacturer by D. A. Farnie _http://groups.msn.com/PatterdalePatter/yourwebpage1.msnw_ (http://groups.msn.com/PatterdalePatter/yourwebpage1.msnw) In 1876 Benjamin Dobson married Coralie Palin (1853–1904), daughter of William Thomas Palin, a railway engineer serving in India. They had six sons and three daughters. In 1886 Dobson bought the Doffcockers estate,..................... .............As the first citizen of the borough he held official functions for his fellow Boltonians, a ball for children in the town hall, a garden party at Doffcockers, and an autumn ................... In his fifty-first year, and apparently still in the prime of life, Dobson died at Doffcockers on 4 March 1898. The military funeral was attended by some 20,000 people,................. Derek Crompton London South- East

Joseph Regent, born around 1837 in Cork, Ireland and appearing in the 1881 Census in Bolton is I believe my ancestor. Anyone with Joseph in their ancestory? John

Hi John I read youre e mail on the list this morning picked up the Bolton Evening News this evening and there is a full page about youre Organ I am going to read it now Regards jim doris.higson@ntlworld.com

Hello list members. I'm not sure if this is the correct forum, however I am looking for anyone who might have information on the organ in the former URC in Somerset Road Bolton. I am writing from Melbourne Australia. I have recently acquired this pipe organ which has been dismantled, packed and is currently being shipped here. The organ is to be rebuilt in my residence, and I am keen to chronicle it's history, along with the story of it's relocation half way around the world ! The know history of the organ is sketchy, and the builders name plate has long since gone. All we know is that it was origianlly built for a Mill Owners home in the 1870's and came to reside in the Bolton URC in 1911, where it has been ever since. The current church owners know little of the organ's history. I have also been in contact with the last know organ builder who attended the organ in the late 1990's, but they can't provide any further details. I have also tried to contact the organ company whose service plate was found within the organ when it was dismantled (dated 1960), but unfortunately the company went out of business 4 years ago, and all their records have gone. I am wondering if there might be a former church official, or congregation member who might have any information about the history of this instrument. Thank you in anticipation. Regards John Hinterreiter MCATS Phone +613 9527 3997 Fax +613 9527 3172

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Unsubscribing for the rest of the summer. many thanks. On Monday, August 07, 2006, at 02:11AM, Valerie <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> wrote: >Hi everyone, > > > >Don't know if anyone has had problems with long map references breaking up, >but here is a solution using http://tinyurl.com/create.php. Simply add this >to your favourites, paste in the long url, and then convert. This also has >the advantage that the url would not be broken up with word-wrapping. > > > >Valerie > > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list, send the command "unsubscribe" to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or ENG-LAN-BOLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

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Thank you Bob this is my John. Would love to more about his father John. Birth date etc. Tahnks again. Regards Joy W. ---- Bob Thornley <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Joy, > Here's a possible - > Baptism: 11 April 1819 John FLETCHER > Father: John FLETCHER, Labourer, Over Hulton > Mother: Ann > > Source MLFHS / Bolton FHS CD > St Mary's Deane Parish Church Baptisms 1813 to1886, Nov 2003 > > There were quite a few FLETCHERs around, but I hope that helps. > Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > > From: <joyw@xtra.co.nz> > > I am still looking for the Parents of JOHN FLETCHER. Born 1817. Married > > ELIZABTH FARNWORTH.. > > Regards Joy W. New Zealand. > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > Bolton Metro - bolton@bolton.gov.uk > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hi Again, Am pleased to know I am still on the list. Yes Ken I have more rellies. Regards Joy W N.Z ---- ken walker <kwalker17@msn.com> wrote: > got any other rels? > > Ken Walker > > > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:14:09 +1200> From: joyw@xtra.co.nz> To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] FLETCHER FAMILY> > Hi All,> I have not any mail from the list for several days. > Am useing a new computer and hope I haven't lost you some how.> I am still looking for the Parents of JOHN FLETCHER. Born 1817. Married ELIZABTH FARNWORTH..> Regards Joy W.> New Zealand.> > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====> To switch from one mode to the other, unsubscribe from one and then subscribe to the other.> > ==============================> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more:> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> > _________________________________________________________________ > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >