Valerie I think that would vary from hospital to hospital. In Sydney the uniform changed dramatically after WW1 as the then Matron served o'seas with the Army Nurses and changed the uniform to a more 'modern' militaristic style presumably when she returned, as you know women's fashions changed considerably then. In general Australian styles tend to trail English ones, but I'd place this photo c1885-1910. Have you any idea which hospital or area this lady worked in? there would probably be local hospital museums with photos you could compare. By the way the lady was probably a 'Sister' or 'Head Nurse' rather than a trainee, her companion is probably another staff member in a different position. best wishes, Cassie On 18/08/2006, at 6:51 PM, Valerie wrote: > Cassie, do you know when this uniform was replaced? It would be > nice to put > some sort of date to this photo. > > Valerie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cassie Thornley [mailto:cassethor@ozemail.com.au] > Sent: 18 August 2006 05:26 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Photo, Valerie's site > > Hi Valerie, the Lucy Osburn-Florence Nightingale Museum at Sydney > Hospital. Florence personally set only two overseas Schools of > Nursing, one in Sydney and the other in Canada. > cheers, Cassie > > > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, > Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Valerie, the Lucy Osburn-Florence Nightingale Museum at Sydney Hospital. Florence personally set only two overseas Schools of Nursing, one in Sydney and the other in Canada. cheers, Cassie On 18/08/2006, at 11:00 AM, Valerie wrote: > Hi Cassie, > > Thanks for this information. Which hospital museum do you work at? > > Valerie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cassie Thornley [mailto:cassethor@ozemail.com.au] > Sent: 17 August 2006 20:55 > To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Photo, Valerie's site > > Hi all, looking for the Duffcocker Inn photo I noticed photo 3A > submitted by Derek Crompton. > I work as a volunteer at a hospital Museum. The uniform on the lady > on the left is identical to that worn by the Matron in 1890s. The > tight black belt with a central buckle being typical of the uniforms > at the time. I'm not sure about the one on the right. > > cheers, Cassie > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, > Westhoughton > and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== > For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, > Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

I was just looking around the BBC website and noticed they have a section "Nation on Film". This has lots of old films on the cotton industry, at least one is of Bolton though some of the others could also be Bolton. http://www.bbc.co.uk/nationonfilm/location/north-west/ Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Cassie, do you know when this uniform was replaced? It would be nice to put some sort of date to this photo. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Cassie Thornley [mailto:cassethor@ozemail.com.au] Sent: 18 August 2006 05:26 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Photo, Valerie's site Hi Valerie, the Lucy Osburn-Florence Nightingale Museum at Sydney Hospital. Florence personally set only two overseas Schools of Nursing, one in Sydney and the other in Canada. cheers, Cassie

Hi all, looking for the Duffcocker Inn photo I noticed photo 3A submitted by Derek Crompton. I work as a volunteer at a hospital Museum. The uniform on the lady on the left is identical to that worn by the Matron in 1890s. The tight black belt with a central buckle being typical of the uniforms at the time. I'm not sure about the one on the right. cheers, Cassie

Hi Cassie, Thanks for this information. Which hospital museum do you work at? Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Cassie Thornley [mailto:cassethor@ozemail.com.au] Sent: 17 August 2006 20:55 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Photo, Valerie's site Hi all, looking for the Duffcocker Inn photo I noticed photo 3A submitted by Derek Crompton. I work as a volunteer at a hospital Museum. The uniform on the lady on the left is identical to that worn by the Matron in 1890s. The tight black belt with a central buckle being typical of the uniforms at the time. I'm not sure about the one on the right. cheers, Cassie ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Jonathan, I take it you live locally. Wonder if there is a picture of the old sign in existence somewhere. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: jonathan ball [mailto:itsbally@hotmail.com] Sent: 17 August 2006 20:17 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Doffcocker Hi. I would like to point out that the sign on the Doffcocker is a newish one that Holt's have put up. When the pub was run by Tetley Walkers (and was much better! the sign was of a man soaking his feet in a stream. Regards Jonathan >From: "Valerie" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Doffcocker >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:24:22 +0100 > >Hi everyone, > >As there has been quite a bit of correspondence recently about Doffcocker >Inn, and doffing one's cockers, I thought I would put a couple of images on >my web page so that you can see the inn and the sign for yourselves. > >Please click on >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery5.htm > and scroll to bottom of the page. > >Cheers, >Valerie > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton >and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Gavin, I have checked the deaths for William Champkin for the years 1882-86 but haven't found him, either on FreeBMD or the GRO index. Interestingly, almost without exception, the Champkin's I did find came from Luton, Bedfordshire. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Gavin and Pauline Yates [mailto:gavinyates@xtra.co.nz] Sent: 16 August 2006 04:42 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] RIMMINGTON & GRAY c1891 When did William Champkin die? Did he ever live in Bolton? Where was the family in 1881 (they were at St Albans Hertfordshire in the 1871): George 22, Walter 20, Philip 18, Robert 17, Sarah 13 and William Jnr 1891. Champkin gets a variety of spellings (most often Champion as through my spell checker every time!) but also Chemkin, Camkin, Chaplain, Chaplin and more. I would very much like to track down William Snr b c1837, and the family - 1871-1882, and especially William Jnr as late as 1891; and the various members of each generation in the years following. Gavin Yates, in Christchurch New Zealand.

Hi. I would like to point out that the sign on the Doffcocker is a newish one that Holt's have put up. When the pub was run by Tetley Walkers (and was much better! the sign was of a man soaking his feet in a stream. Regards Jonathan >From: "Valerie" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> >Reply-To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Doffcocker >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:24:22 +0100 > >Hi everyone, > >As there has been quite a bit of correspondence recently about Doffcocker >Inn, and doffing one's cockers, I thought I would put a couple of images on >my web page so that you can see the inn and the sign for yourselves. > >Please click on >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery5.htm > and scroll to bottom of the page. > >Cheers, >Valerie > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton >and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi everyone, As there has been quite a bit of correspondence recently about Doffcocker Inn, and doffing one's cockers, I thought I would put a couple of images on my web page so that you can see the inn and the sign for yourselves. Please click on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery5.htm and scroll to bottom of the page. Cheers, Valerie

John Thomas Rimmington aged 42 b Rutlandshire was in the 1891 census living at 42 Autunn (sic) Street Horwich. Also at this address is his wife Sylvia aged 50 b Hartland (sic - Hertfordshire) and five single boarders (all the six men are General Labourers). John Rimmington and Sylvia Champkin (nee Parkins) married in the Dec Quarter 1886 in Liverpool. Sylvia's first husband was deceased (according to the marriage certificate of one of his sons in 1892. This note is not made on those of two other sons, Philip m in Birkenhead in 1882, and George m in Liverpool in 1893, nor on his daughter Sarah's m Bolton 1886. Sarah, the daughter married John Robert Gray of Daisy Hill, listed in 1891 aged 27, at 38 Autumn Street, Horwich, together with their children Sylvia aged 3 b West Houghton, and John 0 yrs b Hollins Green When did William Champkin die? Did he ever live in Bolton? Where was the family in 1881 (they were at St Albans Hertfordshire in the 1871): George 22, Walter 20, Philip 18, Robert 17, Sarah 13 and William Jnr 1891. William Jnr m in Golborne in 1892, but is not listed in the 1891. Champkin gets a variety of spellings (most often Champion as through my spell checker every time!) but also Chemkin, Camkin, Chaplain, Chaplin and more. I would very much like to track down William Snr b c1837, and the family - 1871-1882, and especially William Jnr as late as 1891; and the various members of each generation in the years following. Any assistance (information, clues, suggestions) in helping break down this brickwall would be very much appreciated. Gavin Yates, in Christchurch New Zealand.

Martin, Thanks for your suggestion. It is far too cloudy and windy today to try and I'm not very good with the terminology, not sure what you mean by macro. I'll ask a friend about it. I still might get access to a scanner tomorrow. Katrina >Have you got a digital camera? > >I quite often take pictures off the screen in record offices, if it has >macro then you should be OK. Even without macro you can often get away with >it. Take the sheet out in daylight and support it well so does not moved > > >Martin Briscoe >Fort William >M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Katrina [mailto:jencap@herplace.net] >Sent: 15 August 2006 23:50 >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Identifying street in Great Bolton > > >Hi Valerie, > >Wish I could say yes but I don't have a scanner. I may be able to get it >done elsewhere. Thanks for your offer anyway. My son has one but it's a >matter of when I next go over to see him. > >Katrina > >>Hi Katrina, >> >>Could you scan the marriage certificate to me then I can have a look at it. >> >>Valerie >> > > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton >and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last >12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > >==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== >For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks, Ken. I'd thought of Clancy as well, never heard of Glancy though. >try Glancy for the surname >Ken Walker

Hi Valerie, Wish I could say yes but I don't have a scanner. I may be able to get it done elsewhere. Thanks for your offer anyway. My son has one but it's a matter of when I next go over to see him. Katrina >Hi Katrina, > >Could you scan the marriage certificate to me then I can have a look at it. > >Valerie >

Have you got a digital camera? I quite often take pictures off the screen in record offices, if it has macro then you should be OK. Even without macro you can often get away with it. Take the sheet out in daylight and support it well so does not moved Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: Katrina [mailto:jencap@herplace.net] Sent: 15 August 2006 23:50 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Identifying street in Great Bolton Hi Valerie, Wish I could say yes but I don't have a scanner. I may be able to get it done elsewhere. Thanks for your offer anyway. My son has one but it's a matter of when I next go over to see him. Katrina >Hi Katrina, > >Could you scan the marriage certificate to me then I can have a look at it. > >Valerie > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Martin, Thanks very much for this and your other email. I wasn't aware of the 1821 and 1831 census, I recall reading something about a pre-1841 census but thought that it didn't include names. Well I suppose Back Dawes is the right street. I'll look for a death of Mary Mellet 1839-1841. It's also possible that she went to Australia too. I'm guessing that you looked under other possible spellings as you had for the other census entries. It became Millet in Australia. Thanks again for your help. Katrina >There is a Dawes Street and Back Dawes Street with a very large number of >Irish there in 1841 but I can't see Mellet. > > >Martin Briscoe >Fort William >M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Hello, I've joined this list after receiving the 1839 marriage certificate of my ancestors John MELLET and Briget LOFTUS at Pilkington Street Catholic Chapel (I think I got this part right). Both were born in Mayo, Ireland but at the time of the marriage, both were residing at John's mother Mary Mellet's home at No 9 Back (here's the tricky part) what looks like Garves or Dawes Street, Great Bolton. In the residence section of the certificate, Bridget's entry also has what looks like Newtown between the street name and Great Bolton. I'm hoping that Mary was still alive in 1841 and therefore in the census. I was surprised to find that Mary MELLET was also in England. It's quite possible that Bridget's father Anthony LOFTUS, a tailor, was also in Bolton or elsewhere in England. I don't know Bridget's mother's name yet. John's father was Thomas but as he isn't mentioned I guess he may have died earlier. One of the witnesses to the marriage was Bridget Mellet, the other Michael ???ncy. John and Bridget left England for Australia soon after their marriage, arriving here in 1840. Any help with any of this most gratefully accepted. Kind regards, Katrina Smythe Australia

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Hi Katrina, Could you scan the marriage certificate to me then I can have a look at it. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Katrina [mailto:jencap@herplace.net] Sent: 15 August 2006 14:11 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Identifying street in Great Bolton Martin, Thanks very much for this and your other email. I wasn't aware of the 1821 and 1831 census, I recall reading something about a pre-1841 census but thought that it didn't include names. Well I suppose Back Dawes is the right street. I'll look for a death of Mary Mellet 1839-1841. It's also possible that she went to Australia too. I'm guessing that you looked under other possible spellings as you had for the other census entries. It became Millet in Australia. Thanks again for your help. Katrina >There is a Dawes Street and Back Dawes Street with a very large number of >Irish there in 1841 but I can't see Mellet. > > >Martin Briscoe >Fort William >M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

try Glancy for the surnameKen Walker> From: jencap@herplace.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:05:32 +1000> To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Identifying street in Great Bolton> > > Hello,> > I've joined this list after receiving the 1839 marriage certificate of my> ancestors John MELLET and Briget LOFTUS at Pilkington Street Catholic> Chapel (I think I got this part right).> > Both were born in Mayo, Ireland but at the time of the marriage, both were> residing at John's mother Mary Mellet's home at No 9 Back (here's the> tricky part) what looks like Garves or Dawes Street, Great Bolton. In the> residence section of the certificate, Bridget's entry also has what looks> like Newtown between the street name and Great Bolton.> > I'm hoping that Mary was still alive in 1841 and therefore in the census. I> was surprised to find that Mary MELLET was also in England.> It's quite possible that Bridget's father Anthony LOFTUS, a tailor, was> also in Bolton or e! lsewhere in England. I don't know Bridget's mother's> name yet. John's father was Thomas but as he isn't mentioned I guess he may> have died earlier.> > One of the witnesses to the marriage was Bridget Mellet, the other Michael> ???ncy.> > John and Bridget left England for Australia soon after their marriage,> arriving here in 1840.> > Any help with any of this most gratefully accepted.> > Kind regards,> Katrina Smythe> Australia> > > > ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ====> For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming.> > ==============================> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records.> New content added every business day. Learn more:> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx> _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d