Sharon, Do you know the Bolton Wanderers Football Club chairman is a GARTSIDE? Barbara

I wish to say a big thank you to Sharon, Valerie and Jim for their wonderful answers to a new/old member !! Am sooooooooo grateful for your help ! Thanks again and much appreciated ! Best wishes, Carolyn.

ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com writes: >I have already checked St Anne's Turton records from 1720 to 1727 and 1770 >to 1812 for Gar*ide (there is a gap in the records I have) Carolyn For the gap years, many of the events are within the Bolton PR. For many years (c1755-70) explicit Turton listings are given for bapt and bur; during this period the marriages would have had to be in the parish church During the period (from memory) 1730-55 (some?) Turton bapt and burials are appended to each month's Bolton listings. You get 1st - 31st listing followed by, typically, 2 or 3 events say 6th 13th 29th (again in order) and these sometimes say "at Turton" but usually don't but are often clearly Turton people. Many Isherwood constructions for Turton people have been completed successfully from the "appended" events. For 1730, it may be that the marriage actually took place at Turton. Of the 1730 Marriage of Jane I to James G, the only likely Jane I would appear to be bp 28 Aug 1709 (in Bolton PR) dau Christopher and Elizabeth I of Edgworth. Edgworth is next door to Quarlton/Turton. Have you noticed the 30 Nov 1774 marriage of Jane Garside to John Isherwood at Bolton? HTH Michael Isherwood

Hi Carolyn At what is known as Turton Bottoms there are four weavers cottages still standing on what would have been the Quarlton side of Bradshaw Brook, I not sure but the site may have known as Walth Fold..I noticed that there are two burials at St Annes with the name Garthside, in the 1800s. Regards Jim Riding ======================================== Message Received: Aug 24 2006, 01:34 PM From: "Carolyn and Darryl" To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] THANK YOU ! I wish to say a big thank you to Sharon, Valerie and Jim for their wonderful answers to a new/old member !! Am sooooooooo grateful for your help ! Thanks again and much appreciated ! Best wishes, Carolyn. ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Valerie and Carolyn, I have already checked St Anne's Turton records from 1720 to 1727 and 1770 to 1812 for Gar*ide (there is a gap in the records I have) and found the following: Baptisms: 15 Sep 1771 Adam s. John & Betty Garside, Q., farmer. 29 Aug 1773 Margaret d. John & Betty Garside, Q., farmer. 10 Dec 1775 Nancy d. John & Betty Garside, Q., farmer. 25 Jan 1778 Joseph s. John & Elizabeth (Betty) Garside, Q., farmer. 12 Mar 1780 Betty d. Thomas & Mary Garside, Q., weaver. 04 Sep 1783 John s. Thomas & Mary Garside, S., weaver. 21 Nov 1790 Peggy d. James & Anne Garside, B., labourer. 14 Aug 1791 Mary d. William & Betty Garside, Q., husbandman. 02 Jun 1793 Alice d. James & Anne Garside, labourer. 27 Oct 1793 John s. William & Betty Garside, B., weaver. 17 Jan 1796 Margaret d. William & Betty Garside, Q., weaver. 04 Sep 1798 Margaret d. William & Betty Garside, Q., labourer. 24 Nov 1800 Joseph s. William & Betty Garside, Q., farmer. 24 May 1801 Nancy d. Joseph & Sally Garside, Q., farmer. 13 Mar 1803 John s. Joseph & Sally Garside, Q., weaver. 17 Apr 1803 Thomas s. William & Betty Garside, Q., farmer. 03 Nov 1803 James s. Adam & Mary Garside, Q., farmer. 08 Apr 1804 Mary d. John & Anne Garside, S., weaver. 03 Mar 1805 Thomas s. Adam & Mary Garside, Q., farmer. 04 Sep 1805 Thomas s. John & Anne Garside, S., whitster. 02 Oct 1805 James s. William & Betty Garside, Q. 01 Dec 1805 Thomas s. Joseph & Sally Garside, Q. 26 Jul 1807 John s. Adam & Mary Garside, Q., farmer. 02 Aug 1807 John s. John & Anne Garside, S. 08 May 1808 Betty d. Joseph & Sally Garside, Ed., farmer. 05 Sep 1808 William s. William & Betty Garside, Q. 04 Sep 1809 James s. John & Anne Garside, S. 24 Feb 1811 James s. Joseph & Sarah Garside, Ed. 13 Oct 1811 Adam s. Adam & Mary Gartside, Q. Burials 11 May 1777 Betty d. Thomas & Mary Garside, E., husbandman. 17 May 1789 John s. John & Betty Garside, Q., farmer. 30 Aug 1792 James s. Thomas & Mally Garside, S., whitster. 22 Nov 1793 John Garside, Q., farmer. 23 Sep 1797 Margaret d. William & Betty Garside, Q., husbandman. 19 Mar 1798 James s. James & Anne Garside, Q., labourer. 02 Sep 1805 Betty Garside, Q., ww. 17 Mar 1807 Richard s. Joseph & Sally Garside, Q., farmer. 31 Dec 1808 John s. Adam & Mary Garside, Q., farmer. 26 Aug 1809 Thomas s. Joseph & Sally Gartside, Ed. 10 May 1810 William s. William & Betty Garside, Bolton. Note: The following contractions of place names have been used throughout. Where none is used it may be assumed that the persons were resident in Turton: B=Bradshaw. Br=Breightmet. E=Entwisle. Ed=Edgworth. Q=Quarlton. S=Sharples. T=Tottington. The following contractions have also been used: d.=daughter. s.=son. w.=wife. wr.=widower. ww.=widow. From ancestry.com parish records on cdrom, Cheers, Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Valerie [mailto:v.lirakis@ntlworld.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 August 2006 5:00 PM To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] GARTHIDE/GARTSIDE/GARSIDE ET AL. Hi Carolyn, and welcome back to the Bolton List. You wrote < He left a will which was proved at Chester. (Was that the usual place for wills to be "proved")?> Yes. Anyone living south of the River Ribble (north Lancashire)had their wills proved at Chester. <Where could I possibly go to find his parents? Are there records of Turton and Quarlton that early?> Bolton Archives hold records of baptisms for St. Anne's from 1720, and St. Peter's dating from 1573. I will try and do a check for you, but it may not be for a while, as the Archives are closed from Monday, 28th August for 3 weeks for stocktaking.

Greetingsto All, I am a new subscriber. Well, an old suscriber re-subscribing. I had to cease a few years ago because of ill-health. Now I'm back to my 'old searches'. I know I need some advice/help. Just today I have refound my Dad's tree of the above surname. I'm hoping there is someone new in the last couple of years researching the same name. As far back as I can go is 1730. On 30 March, James GARTHSIDE m. Jane ISHERWOOD at St Peter's, Bolton Le Moors. James was a weaver at Turton and Jane was from Quarlton. Could sks please explain how far Quarlton and Turton were from the Church at Bolton where they were married. The only 2 children I can find for them are a Betty who m. Arthur KAY of Turton at St Peter's Bolton and a John of Quarlton, Farmer who was also m. at St Peter's and died 1793 and was buried at St Anne's Turton. He left a will which was proved at Chester. (Was that the usual place for wills to be "proved")? Where could I possibly go to find his parents ? Are there records of Turton and Quarlton that early ? I shall hope to hear from someone ! Kind regards, Carolyn. Australia. P.S. In Scotland they had naming patterns: did England have anything similar?

Hi Peter, I've checked the GRO index for the years 1900-1910 for a possible marriage of John Higson and Annie Martin, but haven't found one. I've looked for John Higson on the 1891, but the only one I've found that would seem probable is aged 25, widower, living at 61 Junction Road. I have not found William. There is also a Peter Higson, aged 26, coal miner, living nearby. I've also checked the MI's for Deane, but as before, the only graves are much older than early 20th century. Valerie

I am looking for the burials of the following Higsons at Deane Church in December 1910 or January 1911. All were coal miners. John Higson age ~45 William Higson 23 (son of the above John and at home, so likely to be together). Peter Higson ~46 (probably the brother of John, though living independently) All 3 were born and bred in the Deane-Daubhill area, and John and Peter were baptised at Deane St Mary (possibly William too, but I don't know that), so I'm picking they were buried there too. I'd also like to find out if John Higson married Annie Martin sometime 1901-1910. They were in a de facto relationship in 1901 when they were living at Hough St., Deane. The census does not record that relationship detail of course, but when John was killed in 1910, his family apparently included Wife Annie, son William Higson (also killed) and three children with the Martin surname aged 15, 13, 11 who are said to be John Higson's illegitimate children. I suspect John and Annie did not marry. If someone could help please? Peter Wood

Hi Carolyn, and welcome back to the Bolton List. You wrote < He left a will which was proved at Chester. (Was that the usual place for wills to be "proved")?> Yes. Anyone living south of the River Ribble (north Lancashire)had their wills proved at Chester. <Where could I possibly go to find his parents? Are there records of Turton and Quarlton that early?> Bolton Archives hold records of baptisms for St. Anne's from 1720, and St. Peter's dating from 1573. I will try and do a check for you, but it may not be for a while, as the Archives are closed from Monday, 28th August for 3 weeks for stocktaking. <In Scotland they had naming patterns: did England have anything similar?> If, by this, you mean repeating the same names from one generation to the next, then this also was very common in England. Hope this helps. Valerie

Hi Carolyn, Turton and the area Quarlton No longer in ( existance ), is about 6 to 7 miles north of St Peters parish church in Bolton. there is a option if you click onto St Annes church Turton which has a full record of burials at the church, it might help. Regards Jim Riding ======================================== Message Received: Aug 24 2006, 06:19 AM From: "Carolyn and Darryl" To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] GARTHIDE/GARTSIDE/GARSIDE ET AL. Greetingsto All, I am a new subscriber. Well, an old suscriber re-subscribing. I had to cease a few years ago because of ill-health. Now I'm back to my 'old searches'. I know I need some advice/help. Just today I have refound my Dad's tree of the above surname. I'm hoping there is someone new in the last couple of years researching the same name. As far back as I can go is 1730. On 30 March, James GARTHSIDE m. Jane ISHERWOOD at St Peter's, Bolton Le Moors. James was a weaver at Turton and Jane was from Quarlton. Could sks please explain how far Quarlton and Turton were from the Church at Bolton where they were married. The only 2 children I can find for them are a Betty who m. Arthur KAY of Turton at St Peter's Bolton and a John of Quarlton, Farmer who was also m. at St Peter's and died 1793 and was buried at St Anne's Turton. He left a will which was proved at Chester. (Was that the usual place for wills to be "proved")? Where could I possibly go to find his parents ? Are there records of Turton and Quarlton that early ? I shall hope to hear from someone ! Kind regards, Carolyn. Australia. P.S. In Scotland they had naming patterns: did England have anything similar? ==== ENG-LAN-BOLTON Mailing List ==== For Family/Local History covering Bolton, Horwich, Farnworth, Westhoughton and Turton. Please keep the messages coming. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Paul, I've been going to the Archives regularly in Bolton for the last few years, and didn't realize they had a Post Trial Calendar and Indictment records. I shall certainly enquire about them on my next visit. Thanks for making me aware of them. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Paul Barrow [mailto:paul@pbarrow.demon.co.uk] Sent: 21 August 2006 23:54 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Prison Research The point of my posting is to ask if any listers have experience of researching court or prison records in Bolton and, if so, any tips on the most efficient and effective ways of researching this kind of information. Any advice would be very welcome. Paul Barrow St Albans England

Dear Valerie Yes sorry it is the Daubhill are of Bolton regards ness graham > >--- Start of the Attached Message --- > >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:34:19 +0100 >From: "Valerie" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] MY FLOOD Family > > ><keef.ness@tiscali.co.uk [mailto:keef.ness@tiscali.co.uk]writes on >22 August 2006 15:11 >To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] MY FLOOD Family > >I am researching my Paternal Grandfather JOHN FLOOD, he was born in Preston, >and was in the East Lancs Regiment, and then the Loyal North Lancs Regiment > pre and WW1 >he then went to live with his sister Margaret LANG nee FLOOD, she lived in >85 Venice Street from about 1902 to about 1927 at least.> > >Hi, > >I take it that you are referring to Venice Street in the Daubhill district >of Bolton. > >Valerie >--- End of the Attached Message --- > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

<keef.ness@tiscali.co.uk [mailto:keef.ness@tiscali.co.uk]writes on 22 August 2006 15:11 To: ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] MY FLOOD Family I am researching my Paternal Grandfather JOHN FLOOD, he was born in Preston, and was in the East Lancs Regiment, and then the Loyal North Lancs Regiment pre and WW1 he then went to live with his sister Margaret LANG nee FLOOD, she lived in 85 Venice Street from about 1902 to about 1927 at least.> Hi, I take it that you are referring to Venice Street in the Daubhill district of Bolton. Valerie

Dear Listers, Iam researching my Paternal Grandfather JOHN FLOOD, he was born in Preston, and was in the East Lancs Regiment, and then the Loyal North Lancs Regiment pre and WW1 he then went to live with his sister Margaret LANG nee FLOOD, she lived in 85 Venice Street from about 1902 to about 1927 at least. John then went awol somewhere, between 1917 and 1921 when he was getting married to my grandmother in Sheffield in 1921. His family is as follows WILLIAM FLOOD b 1863 Preston, married MARY GALLAGHER, in 1891 i think he died in 1894, mary was from poulton le fylde MARGARET FLOOD b 1865 in Burnley i think, married JAMES LANG in Altham Parish church on 18.10.1884 GEORGE FOOD b 1868 in Preston , i dont know much about him JANE FLOOD b 19 Senior Street Preston in 2.1871 and died in 9.1881 JOHN FLOOD b 1873, married LILY WRIGHT b 1898 in Sheffield at Owlerton Parish Church, Sheffield he died in 1.1930 their parents were GEORGE FLOOD b 1842 in Preston married MARY PARKINSON in 1861 in St Pauls Church in Preston MARY PARKINSON b 1841, m 1861 died i think in 1884. this is all i have, any information you may have about the flood family would be very much appreciated kind regards ness graham ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Hi list, I'm searching for the descendants of Benjamin Martin and his brother William who married at Westhoughton parish church 1901 and 1904 respectively. Benjamin married Mary Shorrock aged 21, daughter of William Shorrock March 1901, William married Edith Partington aged 23 daughter of Joseph Partington 1904. Their wedding certificates show brothers were both Colliers, at the time of marriage both living with family at 7 Dobb Brow Westhoughton. I have research on the family back to Cornwall in the parish of Stithians in the Redruth registration area circa 1800, Any information would be appreciated. James Riding

Dear Listers, A few more notes about the changes in list management software. Digest subscribers: Please remember that if you don't like the way the new digest appears, you can have it changed to something that looks more like the old digest. Just write to me privately off list and I'll be happy to make the change for you. AOL subscribers: Because the change to new list administration software necessitated a change in list servers, AOL may not recognize mail from RootsWeb as being legitimate. If you find list mail in your spam folder, be sure to click the "This is not spam" link to send the messages to your Inbox. It's very important to do this to 'train' the filters and let AOL know that the new server can be trusted. AOL users may find it useful to subscribe to the list devoted to AOL users on RootsWeb. See <http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html >. Cheers, Valerie

Dear Listers, Last weekend I discovered some ancestors were sent to prison in the 1860s (during the Lancashire Cotton Famine). The reference came from a Fishpool Workhouse admissions record for their youngest children - "Reason for Poor Relief - Parents in prison". Having asked at Bolton Library - rather wide-eyed on just discovering my great great grandparents were convicts! - I was kindly pointed in the direction of the "Post Trial Calendar" and "Indictment" records. As they are archived and it was a Saturday I was unable to examine them, but look forward to ordering them for the next time I am up in Bolton. I managed a quick look at the Bolton Chronicle around the dates of the Fishpool Admissions (July to August 1862) but couldn't find any report of a court case involving my grt grt grandparents. The point of my posting is to ask if any listers have experience of researching court or prison records in Bolton and, if so, any tips on the most efficient and effective ways of researching this kind of information. Any advice would be very welcome. Paul Barrow St Albans England -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 18/08/2006

Hello everyone, As we don't seem to be over busy just now, I thought it would be a good time to remind everyone of my genealogy website, and make new subscribers aware of it. It is run in conjunction with the list, and is dedicated to Bolton and surrounding area. The url is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/index.htm. If anyone has any photos which they cannot identify, please scan them to me for inclusion on the website. I've just added some new pix which I hope will evoke a response from someone. Just click on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/dunscarterminus.htm . and scroll down to the bottom. Valerie

Hi all, Just a quick line to let you know that the LANCASHIRE LOOK UP EXCHANGE is now up and running. You can access it directly by going to: http://www.lancs-lookup.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ or by going to: http://aztecrose.tripod.com/LookupExchange.htm and clicking on LANCASHIRE. Thank you to all who have volunteered to help with this project and to those of you that are not able to volunteer, but who have sent messages of support. I am still in need of some more volunteers. To be a volunteer you will need to have access to some Lancashire source ie, trade directories, parish records etc. You can check the site to see the type of thing and also to see what we have covered already. I have plenty of people who are happy to do census look ups and BMDs, but I need the more unusual stuff or those who are happy to go to the records offices. You can be involved as much or as little as you want to be. Offering very general look ups will result in more requests than if you offer to do look ups for one specific parish for example. If you volunteer but then find that it is taking more of your time than you imagined, just drop me a line and we can either amend what requests you will accept, limit the number or take you off the list... nothing is set in stone! Why not volunteer and give it a try! If you would like to volunteer but are concerned about having your email address publicly available, then I have a solution to that too (thanks Lynne!). Just drop me a line off list. I do hope that you find this new site helpful to you in your research. Any comments, criticisms or suggestions are all welcome... off list please. Best Regards, Ailsa Admin - Lancs. Look Up Exchange

It doesn't need an act of Parliament to pardon them. See...... _http://www.boltoneveningnews.co.uk/news/ourview/display.var.884471.0.why_jame s_smith_deserves_a_pardon.php_ (http://www.boltoneveningnews.co.uk/news/ourview/display.var.884471.0.why_james_smith_deserves_a_pardon.php) Derek Crompton London South- East