Thank you Valerie That would be great it would be nice to know. Elyse >From: "Valerie" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> >Reply-To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com >To: <eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ENG-LAN-BOLTON HOLLAND >Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:50:57 +0100 > >Hi Elyse, > >You wrote <Could anyone please tell me is there a sweet shop or something >on >4 Kingsley Street Bolton.> > >I can't tell you if the sweetshop is still there, but Kingsley Street >certainly is. Next time I'm in the area I will have a look for you. > >Valerie >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Be the one of the first to try the NEW Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programPage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Hi, All, I am very grateful to all those who have advised me. A small problem has arisen........................ Today I "joined" Origins, thinking that that would be where I could try to find information earlier than 1730. Alas, they only have Boyd's Marriage Index which I have searched to no avail for all possible (well, to me!) spellings of GARTHSIDE and ISHERWOOD. The 1730 marriage of Jas GARTSIDE and Jane ISHERWOOD does not even appear. (Help: what have I done)? The extracted entry on the IGI says St Peter's Bolton, but as Valerie suggested (sorry if I have the wonderful person's name incorrect), their marriage was probably at St Anne's, Turton and appended to the St Peter's list. I am most grateful for the wonderful bmd church records' site. I can only find the earliest bmds of "my" line back to 1771, though. Is it not possible to research in England/Lancashire as one can in SCT, on-line, back to the earliest parish records? Am at an utter loss................any ideas as to where I can do this would be sooooooo wonderful ! Best wishes, Carolyn. Australia.

Hi Elyse, You wrote <Could anyone please tell me is there a sweet shop or something on 4 Kingsley Street Bolton.> I can't tell you if the sweetshop is still there, but Kingsley Street certainly is. Next time I'm in the area I will have a look for you. Valerie _________________________________________________________________

This account of the Whit Friday Bolton Catholic procession in Bolton is taken from the B.E.N. dated 8th June, 1906. <It was the general consensus of opinion amongst those who are in the habit of viewing the procession of Catholics in Bolton on Whit Friday that today's display eclipsed all previous efforts. Victoria Square was, as usual, the place of assembly, and when the processionists, numbering some 6,000 had assembled, the sight was one to be remembered. The sun shone most brilliantly down upon a scene bright and gay with all the colours of the rainbow, banners reflected in the sunlight many a face and form of favourite saints in the Catholic calendar, whilst streamers and flowers were fair and beautiful in the glory of a summer morning. The thousands of happy children dressed in colours and looking the pink of neatness, appeared happy enough in their gay apparel. Shortly after ten o'clock the band of St. Mary's struck up with the well-known hymn "Faith of our Fathers" led by Mr. J SMITH, choirmaster of SS Peter & Paul's who waved a flag from the Town Hall steps. Admirable time was kept by the assembled vocalists. A move was then made from the square, St. Mary's leading, and the route taken was along Cheapside, Great Moor St, Bradshawgate, Deansgate, Bridge St, St. George's Rd, to Marsden Rd, returning down St. George's Rd, Knowsley St, back to their respective schools. Below we give details of the various schools: ST. MARY's The post of honour this year was occupied by St. Mary's, who made a most effective display as they entered the Square via Oxford St. The procession was headed by St. Mary's Brass Band and by a large crucifix bearing a figure of Our Lord, followed by the Revd. W L FOWLER (rector), J CALLOWAY (the marshal) and J ROCHE. A pretty floral motto was that of "Our Lady, help of Christians, protect our schools" streamed by ten little boys in white suits. Young ladies in pale blue dresses and with blue flowers in their hair guided the leading banner, under the shadow of which came the queen, Miss ELLEN KELLY, whose train was borne by Misses M M GLYNN, F NOLAN, M IRELAND, and A PEACOCK. Master ANDREW McGARRY was the earl marshal and the little guardsmen were J MARSH, J COUGHLIN, E QUEGAN, E BARRETT, J WRIGHT, H CONROY, T MURPHY and J GRIMES and these were succeeded by a further guard of fifty small boys in white suits and Turk caps. Many little girls, in blue dresses and white bonnets, preceded the Blessed Sacrament Banner streamed by eight girls in white and gold; junior girls wearing pink and green. A dozen girls wearing green cloaks attended to the banner of St. Agnes and after the Children of Mary's Banner came one of the outstanding features of the procession, a statue of the Virgin, in a floral arbour. The confraternity of the Holy Family (Women's) was headed by their banner, which was accompanied by Miss MARGARET MARY LUCAS, the ex-queen, and her attendants, the banner being streamed bv young ladies, dressed in white silks and having sprays of roses in their hair. Laymen accompanying included Messrs. T PICKLES, E J DUFFY, R McMANUS, J McGARRY, J O'BRIEN, J GERRARD, P L BRODRICK, P SWARBRICK and W RICE.> More to follow, including St. Edmunds, St. Patrick's, SS Peter & Paul's & Church of the Holy Infant. To see pictures of a Whit Procession in the 1920's please click on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery5.htm (photos kindly supplied by Joyce Lennard). Valerie

Hi Could anyone please tell me is there a sweet shop or something on 4 Kingsley Street Bolton. According to 1901 census my grandfather was a sweetshop keeper working on own account from home at above address and I was wondering if it was still around or if anyone knows anything about maybe a photo or something Elyse (from tassy) _________________________________________________________________ 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife. Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D23198&_t=751140432&_r=emailtaglines_search_aug06&_m=EXT

Could also be Deane Church Val- if west side of town. Barbara

----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn and Darryl To: ENG-LAN-OLDHAM@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: NEW MEMBER'S SURNAME INTERESTS. Greetings to all, This is my first message to the List. My 5 x Grandparents were James GARTSIDE and Jane ISHERWOOD, who were married in 1730, St Peter's Bolton. Possibly the marriage was only appended to the St Peter's lists from St Anne's, Turton, formerly St Bartholomew's. James was a weaver, Turton and Jane was from Quarlton. (This was all discovered by a professional researcher recommended by the Manchester FHS Society.) He found my ancestors back to my Dad, (Geoffrey GARTHSIDE + brothers Stanley, Eric and sister Enid who were all chr. in Sydney, Australia.) Their parents were Henry Stanley GARTHSIDE and Annie BLACKBURN, married 1902, St Luke's Church, Mosman, Sydney, N.S.W. The whole GARTHSIDE/GARTSIDE/GARSIDE et al family, as well as the BLACKBURNs all seem to have come from around Bolton in Lancs. The spelling of the surname changed over the years. Baptisms were frequently at Turton. Now I am trying to find out from where the GARTHSIDE(for ease of spelling) family came, prior to 1730. Not only am I on the correct List, but is there anyone there who could even suggest 'one' link further back? I'm sure I could go further back from there, if only I knew which church they attended.! Kind regards, Carolyn Wilson (M.S. GARTHSIDE). Australia..........in a country town with no LDS Church.!

With Amanda's kind permission, I am forwarding this for your consideration. Thanks Barb, Ontario, Canada. bbaker48@sympatico.ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Dear List: I would like to post the following links, as I need major assistance with a project I am working on for August 15th, 2007. Amanda http://www.whitehaven-news.co.uk/unknown/viewarticle.aspx?id=406384 http://www.whitehaven-news.co.uk/unknown/viewarticle.aspx?id=406400 Amanda can be reached at dampnr@golden.net

They are both used in the 1901 Census so I would have thought they might continue to be used unofficially for more than 4 years. Looked in the TNA catalogue This is the Board of Trade registration of a seaman and seems to use Little Bolton in 1942 R705558 LE DAIN L M A 14/04/1942 LITTLE BOLTON This is 1911, though the title is probably older Rothwell v. Gt. & Little Bolton Co-op Socy This is 1921 RG 18/1292 1921 Little Bolton. Registrar's district: 461. Sub-district: 6. Also RG 18/1292 Great Bolton and Lever. Registrar's district: 461. Sub-district: 5. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Sent: 02 September 2006 17:32 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ENG-LAN-BOLTON Great Bolton, Little Bolton etc Hi Martin, You wrote < When did the terms Great Bolton and Little Bolton stop being used?> Good question! Looking at Kelly's 1895, the terms Great and Little Bolton are still being used. However, in Kelly's 1905, the town is referred to as just Bolton, so I assume that the change was made during this ten year period. Valerie

Hi val Thanks for responding the guy I am looking for is my gt/gt/gt grandfather JOHN HURST (not an easy name to tie down in Bolton) I have him in Bacup in 1851 and 1861 on census and his death in bacup 1867 . But prior to this I cannot locate his marriage (his wife Nancy came from Sunderland) I cannot find record of his daughter Margaret born Heywood 1833 or the birth of my gt,gt grandfather in Beswick in 1838 there are a few Thomas,s in Manchester around this time but not him.(Thomas separated from his wife around 1871 and is also unfindable ) I have checked countless times over the last 15 or so years including I.G.I but to no avail . I have been unable to find the family in 1841. any help or guidance gratefully accepted Keith (Bury)

Hi Martin, You wrote < When did the terms Great Bolton and Little Bolton stop being used?> Good question! Looking at Kelly's 1895, the terms Great and Little Bolton are still being used. However, in Kelly's 1905, the town is referred to as just Bolton, so I assume that the change was made during this ten year period. Valerie ********************************************

Hi Keith, You wrote <Could someone tell me how i could look up a birth or babtism for Great Bolton in 1798> Baptisms for this period would almost certainly have taken place at St. Peter's, Bolton-le-Moors, the parish church. Bolton Archives hold records of baptisms from 1573 - 1850. Have you looked on the IGI? This will tell you the name of the church where the baptism took place. Valerie ------------------------------

Hello list, I enjoyed reading "The Life and Times of Samuel Crompton". Thanks for the tip. Any of the Bolton listers who have ancestors who worked as children in the cotton mills will want to read a book called "The Real Oliver Twist", written by John Waller, historian and lecturer at Melbourne University, Australia. It is the non-fiction account of the life of Robert Blincoe, workhouse boy, who was apprenticed the the mills in Lancashire. His years of unrelenting abuse and near starvation make for some very difficult reading and a greater appreciation of what our ggg grandparents went through. Bolton gets a share of ink time. Let me know what you think of it. Cheers, Joyce in Victoria

Something that I have been wondering about for some time. When did the terms Great Bolton and Little Bolton stop being used? I can't remember ever hearing them used when I lived in Bolton. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Hi List could any tell me if pne.anne is still online, or were she could be contacted. Regards Jim riding

Hi list Could someone tell me how i could look up a birth or babtism for Great Bolton in 1798 Keith

Hi, All, Am I on the correct List for Rochdale and Oldham? Have been searching for information re: my GARTHSIDE/GARTSIDE/GARSIDEs et al. I am now going to list some other possible spellings which I have seen on reputable internet sites. GARTSYDE (the name and the place) GARTESYDE GARSEDD DE GARTESIDE GARSID.................................................... I am now wondering if the ancestors of James GARTSIDE (Turton)(m. 1730) and his son John GARTSIDE (buried 1793, Turton) came from Rochdale ? John left a will, 1793, proved at Chester as did his son Thomas whose will was also proved there in 1813. Can SKS please tell me what site I would need to go to view them? (Would they be difficult to read?) Also, which is the best site for obtaining early BMDs for the areas I have mentioned. Another thing I'd love to know is more about the Bolton Wanderers Football Club's GARTHSIDE. I was told by a relation that her father, James SMITH (who m. Eliza GARTHSIDE) was a clogger and made shoes for the Wanderers. Best wishes, Carolyn. Australia.

Hi Barbara, You wrote <Could someone look up the marriage record of George Hart married Betty Rostron 1st Jan 1822 at St Peter, Bolton Le Moors (IGI).> I have the indexes of St.Peter's marriages and can confirm that George Hart married Betty Rostron (Rosthorn on the transcription) in 1822. Unfortunately these indexes do not give any more information. You wrote <Can I order a certificate from the Church?>. I would doubt this. You wrote <I am interested in place of birth and names of parents.> The actual marriage records for this period do not normally give place of birth (only the parish), and do not give names of parents. The only other information you are likely to get are names of witnesses, and occupation of groom. I could look up this marriage record next time I go to the Archives, which are closed at the moment for stocktaking. Valerie

Message: 5 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:09:10 +1000 From: "Carolyn and Darryl" <dazwilson@bigpond.com> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] GARTHSIDE To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002f01c6cd7c$60e70730$bea736cb@acer86e9bf2e61> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, All, Hi Carolyn, You wrote <Am I on the correct List for Rochdale and Oldham?> This list only covers Bolton and District. There are other Rootsweb lists for Rochdale and Oldham. You wrote< John left a will, 1793, proved at Chester as did his son Thomas whose will was also proved there in 1813. <Can SKS please tell me what site I would need to go to view them? (Would they be difficult to read?)> Before 1858, wills of people from the Bolton area were proved at the Consistory Court of the Diocese of Chester. Lancashire wills and other probate records, including inventories and letters of administration, 1545-1858 are now available at the Lancashire Record Office, Preston. To search these records you would need to go in person, or appoint a researcher to do the work for you. <which is the best site for obtaining early BMDs for the areas I have mentioned.> If you require an actual physical record of the BMD's, again you would have to visit the record office in person, or appoint someone to obtain it for you. Have you looked at the OPC site for these records? http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ Valerie

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