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How about STRAP STITCHER ? The notes seems to read Machy Strapping Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: mlfhs-bounces@sentinel.mcc.ac.uk [mailto:mlfhs-bounces@sentinel.mcc.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Joan Bridges Sent: 11 September 2006 00:42 To: mlfhs@sentinel.mcc.ac.uk Subject: MLFHS: 1901 census occupation Could SKS look at RG13/3603/132/21/118 for me please and tell me the occupation of Francis MORT age 26 born Bolton? In 1891 he was a Crofter and in 1909 a leather worker, but 1901 has me stuck. Thank you Regards from Ottawa Joan (13526) _________________

Hi, All, Sorry about all my questions: I truly am! . I just want to work out all I have 'found' over the last week or so.(Help, is that all the time?! In the Turton Burials, there is a Mary SUDDEN GARTSIDE, wife of Thomas GARTSIDE of Sharples, (born about 1753). As far as I know this Thomas was married to: 1. Alice(?) - 3 children before she died prior to 1763. 2. Betty BROOKS (of Turton bapt. about 1735; died 30 Aug, bur. 2 Sep, 1805, aged 50). Who could this Mary SUDDEN G. be ?? Perplexion has set in.........................................??? 2nd Question: In the Turton baptisms there is a Peggy chr. Turton to James and Anne GARTSIDE. He was a Labourer, Bradshaw. Plus an Alice chr 1793, Turton to a James and Anne GARTSIDE. He was a Labourer at Quarlton. If they are GARTSIDEs and at Quarlton, I feel sure they must be related to me. They seem to have gone on from there according to the IGI and there are more baptisms (Extracted Entries):All at St Peter's, Bolton. How would I find out about this marriage? I have a James GARTSIDE bapt. 9 Apr, 1758 at St Peter's, Bolton to John GARTSIDE and the mysterious Alce/Alice, with no marriage for him. Any suggestions, anyone, as to where I could find information on yet another GARTSIDE et al surnames.? Best wishes, Carolyn. Australia. (P.S. Seeing I am 'asking' for so much, I hope I shall soon be able to 'send' details to other List members. However, I seem to be the only GARTSIDE researcher on the List. Still, I have asked to join the opr lists as a researcher, so I can do the above. I still have to be 'checked out' by the Vicar ! (Yet to learn more). I am trying to help others! I don't want to be just a 'receiver' and asking Qs all the time. It's just because I'm so new to the list and new to researching in England. Please understand ! C.

Thank you for your reply. I don't know if your WALLWORKS have any connection to mine. Tom is the only one I know of except his daughters Alwyn and Vera. I do know they came to Canada sometime before the outbreak of WW II. I met Violet in Fort Erie in 1967 when she was on her way back from Florida. I have found two possibles for Violet ALDRED on the FreeBMD both in 1893 one in Barton upon Irwell the other Bolton. Most of my other ALDREDS were registered in Barton upon Irwell. They should be on the 1901 census if anyone is able to look them up for me. It would be very much appreciated. It might give me an idea about parentage if I have the entries. Thank you again Elizabeth ewright@wwdc.com

Greetings to All, My Gx 5/6/7(?)Grandfather was John GARSIDE (of Quarlton "w. Lancaster") Farmer. chr at St Peter's, Bolton 10 Feb, 1734; d 19 Nov and was buried at St Anne's, Turton, 22 Nov, 1793 aged 59. (Will dated 5 Nov, 1793, proved at Chester 6 Sep, 1794 & 27 May, 1816. Effects under 50 pounds.) Questions: 1. He was 1st married to an "ALCE" ?. There were at least 4 children bap. to this John and Alce/Alice: - Thomas bpt 16 Mar, 1754 St Peter, Bolton - Jane bpt 25 Dec, 1755, St Peter, Bolton - Jas bpt 9 Apr, 1758, St Peter, Bolton - John bpt 1 Feb, 1760 St Peter, Bolton & Turton. Alce/Alice must have died before John's 2nd marriage on 6 Mar, 1764, St Peter's, Bolton, to Betty/Elizabeth BROOKS (of Turton b. abt 1735; bur. 2 Sept 1805, Turton, aged 70). Thomas married Mary KAY 3 Jan, 1776, St Peter's, Bolton. Jane married John ISHERWOOD (of Edgeworth, weaver), 1774, St Peter's, Bolton. (She died at Turton, 1778). James married (?): Could he have married Ann (?) John, (my researcher tells me, "died young"). Could some kind soul please tell me how I would find out Alice's maiden name ? There are no burial records in Turton before abt 1777 for my ancestors. There is no listed marriage for John and Alice on the IGI Extracted Entries. Hoping for help/advice. Best wishes, Carolyn. Australia.

Hi Tina, What era are talking about here, and what denomination? Valerie -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C Port Sent: 10 September 2006 06:13 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Swan Lane Hi Can SKS help me locate the churches close to Swan Lane Bolton. Thanks for your help Tina ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A special message to Valerie, Linda, Fred and Charlotte : Thank you all sooooo much for helping me ! Have no idea where I'd be without your help ! All my best wishes and thanks, Carolyn. Australia.

Thank you Cassie. 1860 is far too early I'm afraid. There must have been something else between WW I & WW II. I think Violet must have been born around 1900 give or take a couple of years. There may be new information on the FreeBMD or the LANCASHIREBMD. I'll check to see what I can find. Elizabeth ewright@wwdc.com

Hi Can SKS help me locate the churches close to Swan Lane Bolton. Thanks for your help Tina

Valerie Thank you so much for that I hope it wasnt too much trouble for you. It would have been nice to have a photo of the shop if it was still there. But worth a try anyway. Thanks again Elyse> >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces: share up to 500 photos per month, free http://spaces.live.com/

Hi Carolyn Sorted this lot out for you, I think they are relevant but you will have to see what you think. Census 1841 HO 107 535 Book 5 Folio 12 Gas Street, Great Bolton Adam Garside (sic), aged 29, Gas Fitter Mary Garside, aged 30 - Not born in Lancashire Sarah Garside, aged 6 Mary Garside, aged 4 Robert Garside, aged 1 All rest born in Lancashire Census 1841 HO 107 537 Book 16 Folio 36 Belmont West, Top Row, Sharples John Blackburn, aged 30, Cotton Works Ann Blackburn, aged 30 Robert Blackburn, aged 6 All born in Lancashire Census 1841 HO 107 536 Book 2 Folio 28 Bullack Street, Little Bolton William Blackburn, aged 55, Agent William Blackburn, aged 25, Grocer Betsy Blackburn, aged 20 Margaret Blackburn, aged 15 Joseph Blackburn, aged 12 All born in Lancashire Census 1841 HO 107 535 Book 4 Folio 7 Commercial Street, Great Bolton James Walker, aged 25, Op. Cotton Spinner Betty Walker, aged 25 Robert Walker, aged 6 Martha Walker, aged 4 Nancy Walker, aged 2 All born in Lancashire Census 1851 HO 107 2211 Folio 229 20 Gas Street, Great Bolton Adam Garthside, aged 39, Head, Gas Fitter, born Bolton Mary Garthside, aged 40, Wife, born Mold, Flintshire (N Wales) Sarah Ann Garthside, aged 16, Daughter, Cotton Weaver, born Manchester Mary Garthside, aged 13, Daughter, born Bolton Robert Garthside, aged 11, Son, Scholar, born Bolton Adam Garthside, aged 6, Son, Scholar, born Bolton Eliza Garthside, aged 4, Daughter, Scholar, born Bolton William T Garthside, aged 2, Son, born Bolton John Garthside, aged 5 months, born Bolton Census 1851 HO 107 2211 Folio 28b 127 Derby Street, Great Bolton John Blackburn, aged 40, Head, Warehouseman in Cotton Mill, born Little Bolton Ann Blackburn, aged 42, Wife, born Great Bolton William Blackburn, Isabella Blackburn, Thomas Wallwork Blackburn, Alice Moscrop Blackburn, Jane Wallwork Blackburn, Census 1851 HO 107 2211 Folio 39 12 Shuttle Street, Great Bolton James Walker, aged 34, Head, Cotton Spinner, born Bolton Betty Walker, aged 38, Wife, born Bolton Robert Walker, aged 15, Son, Tin Plate Worker, born Bolton Martha Walker, aged 14, Daughter, Cotton Piecer, born Bolton Nancy Walker, aged 12, Daughter, Cotton Piecer, born Bolton Elizabeth Walker, aged 6, Daughter, born Bolton James Walker, aged 4, Son, born Bolton Eleanor Walker, aged 2, Daughter, born Bolton John Walker, aged 3 months, Son, born Bolton Census 1861 RG9 2830 Folio 77a 49 Cannon Street, Great Bolton Ann Blackburn, aged 51, Head, Widow, Sempstress, born Great Bolton Thomas W Blackburn, aged 19, Son, Warehouseman, born Great Bolton Alice M Blackburn, aged 16, Daughter, born Great Bolton Census 1861 RG9 2832 Folio 11a 12 Partridge Street, Great Bolton Adam Garthside, aged 49, Head, Gas Fitter, born Quarlton Mary Garthside, aged 50, Wife, born Harwarden, Flintshire (Harwarden is near Mold) Mary Garthside, aged 28, Daughter, Cotton Winder, born Bolton Robert Garthside, aged 21, Son, Gas Fitter, born Bolton Adam Garthside, aged 16, Son, Gas Meter Inspector, born Bolton Eliza Garthside, aged 14, Daugter, Cotton Winder, born Bolton William Thomas Garthside, aged 12, Son, Scholar, born Bolton John Garthside, aged 10, Son, Scholar, born Bolton Mary Pears, aged 83, Mother in Law, Widow, born Harwarden, Flintshire Census 1861 RG9 2830 Folio 44b 144 Derby Street, Bolton James Walker, aged 46, Head, Manager Cotton Mill, born Bolton Betty Walker, aged 48, Wife, born Bolton Martha Walker, aged 24, Daughter, Winder in Cotton Mill, born Bolton Nancy Walker, aged 21, Daughter, Roller Coverer in Cotton Mill, born Bolton Elizabeth Walker, aged 17, Daughter, Winder in Cotton Mill, born Bolton James Walker, aged 14, Son, Printer Letterpress, born Bolton Eleanor Walker, aged 12, Daughter, Cotton Weaver, born Bolton John Walker, aged 10, Son, Scholar, born Bolton Census 1871 R10 3939 Folio 147b 203 Derby Street, Little Bolton James Walker, aged 56, Head, Widower, Manager of Cotton Mill, born Bolton Martha Walker, aged 34, Daughter, Roller Coverer, born Bolton Elizabeth Walker, aged 26, Daughter, Roller Coverer, born Bolton Eleanor Walker, aged 22, Daughter, Housekeeper, born Bolton John Walker, aged 20, Son, Mill Mechanic, born Bolton Adam W Garthside, aged 7, Grandson, Scholar, born Bolton Census 1871 R10 3942 Folio 37b 92 Blackburn Road, Great Bolton Robert Garthside, aged 31, Head, Gas Fitter, born Bolton Mary Garthside, aged 31, Wife, Housekeeper, born Manchester Elizabeth Garthside, aged 5, Daughter, Scholar, born Bolton Henry S Garthside, aged 8 months, born Bolton Census 1871 R10 3941 Folio 96b 49 Cannon Street, Great Bolton Thomas W Blackburn, aged 29, Head, Cotton Cloth Warehouseman, born Bolton Elizabeth Blackburn, aged 29, Wife, born Manchester Harry Blackburn, aged 7 months, born Bolton Annie Blackburn, aged 2, born Bolton Census 1881 Dwelling: 49 Cannon Street Census Place: Great Bolton, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341919 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3843 Folio 101 Page 16 Thomas W. BLACKBURN M 39 M Bolton, Lancashire Rel: Head Occ: Warehouseman Weaving Shed Elizabeth BLACKBURN M 39 F Manchester, Lancashire Rel: Wife Annie BLACKBURN 12 F Bolton, Lancashire Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Clara BLACKBURN 3 F Bolton, Lancashire Rel: Dau Census 1881 Dwelling: Edens Orphanage Census Place: Sharples, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341915 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3832 Folio 65 Page 39 Robert GARTHSIDE M 41 M Bolton, Lancashire Rel: Head Occ: Master Of Orphanage Mary GARTHSIDE M 41 F Manchest, Lancashire Rel: Wife Occ: Matron Of Orphanage Henry Stanly GARTHSIDE 10 M Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Annie Peers GARTHSIDE 9 F Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Elizabeth GARTHSIDE U 15 F Bolton, Lancashire Rel: Daur Occ: Housemaid Domestic Serv Mary STEPHENSON U 28 F Bolton Rel: Servant Occ: Cook Domestic Serv Peter MC KIE U 31 M Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Gardiner Domestic Serv Unable to identify the correct Mary Parkinson or Elizabeth Warburton without knowing their father's names and preferably occupation - too many with these names born about the same time, if you have this information I might be able to find them. Best wishes Charlotte Ryan

Hello List I am trying to fit the above people into my family tree. Violet was my father's cousin and worked for my grandparents in a small bakery in Watt Street, Bolton. I'm not sure which side of my father's family she belonged to so her maiden name could be ALDRED or SMITH. My cousin favours ALDRED. Tom & Violet had two daughters Alwyn and Vera. The family emigrated to Canada during the Lancashire Cotton Slump but I don't know when that was except it was prior to WW II. In the 1930s my grandparent had a bakery in Newhall (Newall) Lane, Bolton and another in Ashworth Lane, Astley Bridge, Bolton. My parents Ivy (KILLCROSS) and Arthur ALDRED subsequently took over the shop in Ashworth Lane they sold it in 1951. I would like to know when the cotton slump was and if anyone knows anything about the WALLWORK family. I met Violet in the 1950s when she visited England and again in 1967 or so when I came to Canada. Oh how I wish I'd been interested in genealogy then! Elizabeth ewright@wwdc.com

Sorry, senior moment here - was someone looking for Adam GAR(T)SIDE, because if so he was in Turton Union Workhouse in 1861. He was aged 7, scholar, born Great Bolton. No other GARSIDEs there that I can find. Regards Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "CERyan" <ceryan@sapo.pt> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] James Smith 1891 > R12 3121 Folio 26b > 63 Weston Street, Great Bolton > James Smith, aged 44, Head, Clogger, born Bolton > ELiza Smith, aged 44, Wife, born Bolton > Charles E Smith, aged 12, Son, Scholar, born Bolton > John A Smith, aged 11, Son, Scholar, born Bolton > Eliza Smith, aged 10, Daughter, Scholar, born Bolton > Gertrude Smith, aged 8, Daughter, Scholar, born Bolton > Margaret Smith, aged 7, Daughter, Scholar, born Bolton > Edith Smith, aged 2, Daughter, born Bolton > Sarah A Prothers, aged 17, Domestic Servant, born Bolton > > R12 3121 Folio 26b > 71 Weston Street, Great Bolton > Adam Garside (sic), aged 37, Head, Drayman, born Bolton > Mary Garside, aged 40, Wife, born Manchester > > Best wishes > Charlotte Ryan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If anyone is interested in Deane P.C, St Mary's Parish registers 1751-1812, please contact me off list. Pamela

Anybody having an interest in the Parish Register 1751-1812 of Deane P.C St Mary's please reply off list Pamela

RG13/3625 Bolton 135 Gt? Moor? Street James Smith / 54 / Clogger Shopkeeper / Bolton Eliza do / 54 / -- / do Charles do / 22 / Clogger / do John do / 21 / do / do Eliza do / 20 / Cotton Weaver / do Gertrude do / 18 / Tailor? written above with something crossed off / do Margaret do / 17 / -- / do Edith do / 12 / -- / do Best wishes, Linda

Hi Elyse, I had a look at 4 Kingsley Street yesterday. Unfortunately, there has been a lot of redevelopment in the area over the last few years, and whilst one side of the street (the odd numbered side) still contained a row of houses which were probably pre World War II, the evens side only had one modern looking house - No. 2. Next to this was a gap, probably where the sweetshop would have been. The other (modern) houses backed on to Kingsley Street. This area now is predominantly Asian. In view of this I thought it pointless to take a photo. Valerie Message: 3 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:50:57 +0100 From: "Valerie" <v.lirakis@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ENG-LAN-BOLTON HOLLAND To: <eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000501c6d020$c54433f0$fead1b52@VLirakis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Elyse, You wrote <Could anyone please tell me is there a sweet shop or something on 4 Kingsley Street Bolton.> I can't tell you if the sweetshop is still there, but Kingsley Street certainly is. Next time I'm in the area I will have a look for you. Valerie _________________________________________________________________

Hi Carolyn, I have James with his wife and daughter on the 1871 census as follows: 71 Weston Street, Great Lever James Smith, 24, Clogger empl. 1 man, born Bolton Eliza, wife, born Bolton Mary G Smith, daur, 2 months, born Bolton Weston Street is in the parish of Holy Trinity, so it is possible that this was the church where James and Eliza married. However, you do not say what religion they were. If Catholic, then it could possibly have been Pilkington Chapel. Another possible church could have been St. Mark's. Re the Flander's Arms, I think this should be the Founder's Arms, 18 St. George's Street, in what was then Little Bolton. I have a picture of this taken in the 1920's, which I will scan to you. It is quite possible that this pub is still there. Valerie

R12 3121 Folio 26b 63 Weston Street, Great Bolton James Smith, aged 44, Head, Clogger, born Bolton ELiza Smith, aged 44, Wife, born Bolton Charles E Smith, aged 12, Son, Scholar, born Bolton John A Smith, aged 11, Son, Scholar, born Bolton Eliza Smith, aged 10, Daughter, Scholar, born Bolton Gertrude Smith, aged 8, Daughter, Scholar, born Bolton Margaret Smith, aged 7, Daughter, Scholar, born Bolton Edith Smith, aged 2, Daughter, born Bolton Sarah A Prothers, aged 17, Domestic Servant, born Bolton R12 3121 Folio 26b 71 Weston Street, Great Bolton Adam Garside (sic), aged 37, Head, Drayman, born Bolton Mary Garside, aged 40, Wife, born Manchester Best wishes Charlotte Ryan

Hi, All, Is there SKS who would have the 1891 Census for Bolton and would be able to look up a family for me ? (Alternatively how would I look it up)? James A SMITH m. Eliza GARTHSIDE in the June 1/4, 1870, Bolton. They appear in the 1881 Census as living at 71 Weston Street, Great Bolton, Lancashire. James SMITH Head 34 b Bolton Master Clogger Eliza SMITH Wife 34 b.Bolton Charles E. SMITH Son 3 b.Bolton John A. SMITH Son 18m b.Bolton Eliza SMITH Dau 3m b.Bolton This was the James SMITH who made shoes for the Bolton Wanderers. I just wonder whether he is related to the Phil GARTSIDE of that Club ? Eliza SMITH's M.S. was GARTHSIDE). How would I locate the Church at which he and Eliza were married? Eliza was always called "Mrs J.A.SMITH" in letters my family have. One is dated 1909 and addressed to her at "Flanders Arms Hotel", St George Street, Bolton. (Or possibly George Street Lane). Does anyone know if this is still standing? There is also a photograph taken by "Hargreaves Photographer", Bolton. Eliza died on 6 Dec, 1960. I would greatly appreciate some help. Best wishes, Carolyn. Australia.