Hi Paul, I'm prepared to be wrong about this, but my understanding is that St Peter's C of E Primary School on Limefield Rd is indeed the primary school associated with St Peter's Church, Halliwell, on Church Rd, Smithills. The Jubilee School on the corner of Church Rd and Captain's Clough Rd is now the Parish Centre (containing the Parish Office) of St Peter's, Halliwell. The relationship between St Peter's and Church Rd C of E school is something of a mystery (in spite of the fact that my children went there in the late 1970s). The Church of England schools have an 'aided' rather than a 'controlled' status, so I suspect that this is in any case a bit of a grey area. However, I profess no specialist knowledge at all on this subject, and you may well know more about it than I do. Further clarification would be helpful and interesting. Following its conversion to a private residence, the old school house on Colliers Row was occupied for a time by the then organist of St Peter's, Halliwell, who later became the vicar of St Paul's Church, Halliwell. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Paul Dixon" <rpdixon@yahoo.com> >I am not sure when Jubilee School was built. But the St Peters school on >Limefield > Rd was opened in 1973, and is in no way associated with either Church Rd > school or > Jubilee school. The school on Limefield Rd replaced the older church > school on > Colliers Row Rd. The building is still there, though was converted to a > private > residence when it closed as a school. <snip>

The O'Hara's of Bolton in 1901 - No Michael O'Hara of the right age in England in 1901 census index although one family I found in Bolton were not in the index - could he have been in the Army in South Africa, perhaps? RG13 3618 Folio 156b 5 Back Charles Street, Little Bolton Martin O'Hara, aged 40, Head, Bricksetter's Labourer, born Ireland Sarah A O'Hara, aged 36, Wife, born Wrexham, Wales Sarah A O'Hara, aged 13, Daughter, Ringspinner (Cotton Mill), born Wrexham, Wales Mary J O'Hara, aged 9, Daughter, born Bolton Margaret O'Hara, aged 7, Daughter, born Bolton Cecilia O'Hara, aged 5, Daughter, born Bolton Josephine O'Hara, aged 1, Daughter, born Bolton R13 3619 Folio 128b 8 Durham Street, Little Bolton Ellen O'Hara, aged 45, Head, Widow, born Ireland John O'Hara, aged 22, Son, Iron and Steel Dresser, born Bolton Julia O'Hara, aged 21, Daughter, Cotton Quilt Weaver, born Bolton James O'Hara, aged 20, Son, Apprentice Clogger, born Bolton Patrick O'Hara, aged 15, Son, Cotton Piecer, born Bolton Philip O'Hara, aged 12, Son, born Bolton Michael O'Hara, aged 8, Son, born Bolton Mary E O'Hara, aged 7, Daughter, born Bolton Anne? O'Hara, aged 5, Daughter (says son on entry but in female column), born Bolton R13 3624 Folio 11a 9 Crown Street, Great Bolton Henry O'Hara, aged 27, Head, Lodging House Keeper, born Ireland Mary O'Hara, aged 27, Wife, born Ireland Gertrude O'Hara, aged 2, Daughter, born Bolton Mary E O'Hara, aged 10 months, Daughter, born Bolton In the 1891 census there appear to be five Michael O'Haras in Lancashire who are possibles, but none in Bolton. Michael O'Hara, aged 14, Liverpool Michael O'Hara, aged 17, Aughton Ormskirk Michael O'Hara, aged 18, Atherton Leigh Michael O'Hara, aged 15, Haslingden (also in 1881 but as O'Hora) Michael O'Hara, aged 16, Blackburn I can look at any or all of the above if you think it worth it. Best wishes Charlotte Ryan

St Peter's is the Bolton Parish Church and the one in the middle of town. It's records are on the IGI. Barbara

I'm reading Capt.Dewhurst's Diary at the moment (1716-1806) in which there is mention of a school in Halliwell. <The Township Book tells that in 1723 he (the Captain's father) was listed as a trustee for the House commonly called the Schoole or Thomas Dickens Hous. Thomas Bromiley said that he went to school at a place called Top of Halliwell next door to old Roger Dewhursts House." Roger Dewhurst lived at Halliwell Hall opposite Harpurs (now Harper's Lane). The diary goes on to say that it was decided to rebuild the old Schoolhouse in 1735. "John Mayoh was a Dewhurst tenant living at Harpurs and at the burial of his wife at Turton in 1794 he is said to be "Schoolmaster of Halliwell". The old Halliwell school was close to Harpurs.> Captains Clough acquired its name after Capt. Roger Dewhurst. He owned quite a bit of land stretching down as far as what is today Ivy Road, which was well timbered. The sale of this was quite a profitable sideline for him, and there is mention of his selling a lot of timber to Peter Ainsworth's wife for a new kitchen at Smithills Hall. I wonder if the school built in 1810 could have been built on the same site as the original Halliwell school. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe Sent: 12 September 2006 11:35 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] WHICH CHURCH ? I notice though that the school was built in 1810. Was that associated with an earlier church in the area? Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Hi Peter Fountain Byers (who was rescused from the pit, but died the following day at Bolton Infirmary) married my Gt Aunt Sarah Ann Jolley at Wingates Methodist Chapel in 1901. He is buried (aged 33) with my Gt Aunt Sarah Ann and her brother Thomas Jolley at St Johns Church Wingates. James Livsey born James Harper (out of wedlock) to Jane Harper on the 4th October 1893 at 3 Waters Nook, Westhoughton. John Livsey born to Jane Livsey (nee Harper) and Alfred Livsey on the 12th October 1895 at 14 Waters Nook, Westhoughton. Both died in the explosion and are buried with the Grandfather Charles Harper at Westhoughton Church Yard.(aged 15 and 17 respectively) William Gore born in 1868 at Pepper Lane Standish, to Elizabeth and John Gore. He was interred at Westhoughton Cemetary Roman Catholic (aged 42) after the service at Sacred Heart Church, King Street, Westhoughton. If you need any further help, please let me know. Kind regards Andrea

It was the entry in Pevsner. It has the church as 1838-40 Chancel added 1844 (tower had to be rebuilt) Parish room 1984 Then in the same section..... SCHOOL. 1810. Of two storeys, and plain; now the Parish Office Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Dixon Sent: 12 September 2006 12:56 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] WHICH CHURCH ? I am not sure when Jubilee School was built. But the St Peters school on Limefield Rd was opened in 1973, and is in no way associated with either Church Rd school or Jubilee school. The school on Limefield Rd replaced the older church school on Colliers Row Rd. The building is still there, though was converted to a private residence when it closed as a school. I forget when that was built, though it does have a date stone above the door, but I am away from home on business so can't consult my photographs to tell you the date. The old school can be seen on Colliers Row directly opposite Longshaw Fold Rd:-

Hi Martin, The church school question is also a bit confusing. I'll be interested to hear the correct answer to this question myself. The original school just down the road from St Peter's Halliwell on Church Rd, Bolton was the Jubilee School. I don't know when this school was built or opened, or which Jubilee is implied by its name. The building is now used as a church hall, offices, etc. by St Peter's. Church Rd C of E Primary School is immediately behind the Jubilee School building, round the corner on Captain's Clough Rd. St Peter's Primary School, associated with St Peter's, Halliwell, is on Limefield Rd, Smithills Deane Rd, Bolton, approximately a mile away. This is a modern building. I don't know if there was an earlier one. Is there any indication which of these the 1810 date refers to? Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> >I notice though that the school was built in 1810. Was that associated >with > an earlier church in the area? > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Hi, There is a site on the net which is asking for information on Emmanuel Church. It has a beautiful photo of the Church (it is Church of England) and then the webmaster asks for all different kinds of info. on the Church because his records are lacking. Google for GENUKI EMMANUEL CHURCH OF ENGLAND, BOLTON. My G.Grandfather's brother was married there in 1874. HTH, Carolyn. Australia. Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Swan lane > According to Pevsner > Emmanuel, Cannon Street was built in 1837-8 > Spire removed > Closed in 1990 and converted into flats > The present day church is the former parish room > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > Tina, there's a website called "boltonchurch.net" which lists and gives > details of a number of churches in Bolton. > It looks like the nearest to Swan lane is St Paul & Emannuel which is > across > the main road off Cannon street. > In the old-maps website which shows Bolton in about 1850 the Church is > called Emannuel. > Hope this helps, Graham Dickinson in Bury

I notice though that the school was built in 1810. Was that associated with an earlier church in the area? Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Thornley Sent: 12 September 2006 11:12 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] WHICH CHURCH ? St Peter's, Halliwell is also my local church (so Hi, Jonathan!) but it wasn't founded until 1840.

St Peter's, Halliwell is also my local church (so Hi, Jonathan!) but it wasn't founded until 1840. Before that, marriages in this area would have taken place at St Mary's, Deane. Deane was a separate parish. St Peter's Bolton le Moors is the correct title for the church seemingly referred to by Carolyn's researcher, given the specified dates. Depending where Carolyn's earlier ancestors lived in what is all now Bolton, it is very likely that they would have married in either St Peter's Bolton le Moors, or St Mary The Virgin, Deane (or Dean as it was written in earlier times). As with all things genealogical, the only way to know with any certainty is to find the original records, of course. If you can trust your researcher, then presumably that is what has been done, and "St Peter's, Bolton", if we are being pedantic, should have been written "St Peter's Bolton le Moors" Jonathan raises a very good point, as St Peter's, Halliwell is a large church (with a large graveyard) and "St Peter's, Bolton", in the later 19th century and onwards is a potentially ambiguous reference. Locally, we usually refer to St Peter's Bolton le Moors as "The Parish Church". Unfortunately the records of St Peter's, Halliwell are not available via any of the normal access methods, other than by visiting the church, so its public genealogical profile is really quite low. Many of my THORNLEY family are hidden away in there, sadly, as it does not seem to be possible to trawl the records, although of course you can go along and request details of known events. I hope all that hasn't added too much to the mystery. Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > From: <itsbally@hotmail.com> > The church St. Peters may be my local church, St. Peters, Halliwell. > Anything i could help you with? > Jonathan. >> From: "Carolyn and Darryl" <dazwilson@bigpond.com> >> They were all Church of England. There are many C of E Churches in >> Bolton. >> How do I work out which one? I know that my researcher wrote "St Peter's, >> Bolton". >> Years are between 1730 and at least 1833. >> Carolyn. Australia.

The church St. Peters may be my local church, St. Peters, Halliwell. Anything i could help you with? Jonathan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn and Darryl" <dazwilson@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] WHICH CHURCH ? > Greetings, All, > > I have just been reviewing my ancestors. > > They all seem to have been married "BOLTON". > > They were all Church of England. There are many C of E Churches in Bolton. > How do I work out which one? I know that my researcher wrote "St Peter's, > Bolton". > > Years are between 1730 and at least 1833. > > Would love some help! > > Best wishes, > > Carolyn. Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is this the same Emmanuel Church? http://www.churchplansonline.org/retrieve_results.asp?i=03334 Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn and Darryl Sent: 12 September 2006 03:15 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Swan lane Hi, There is a site on the net which is asking for information on Emmanuel Church. It has a beautiful photo of the Church (it is Church of England) and then the webmaster asks for all different kinds of info. on the Church because his records are lacking.

Hi Arthur Thanks for your help Tina -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of AClemmett@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2006 12:24 AM To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Swan Lane Hi all, I think that St Phillips could be added to your list I believe it was started arouind the 1900 but their registers have not as yet been given up to the archives. Arthur Clemmett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graeme Thanks very much for your help with this. Regards Tina Tina, there's a website called "boltonchurch.net" which lists and gives details of a number of churches in Bolton. It looks like the nearest to Swan lane is St Paul & Emannuel which is across the main road off Cannon street. In the old-maps website which shows Bolton in about 1850 the Church is called Emannuel. Hope this helps, Graham Dickinson in Bury ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Valerie, Thanks for the churches. There is a few of them to keep me busy. Regards Tina These are the churches within, roughly, 1 mile radius of Swan Lane. Church of England Emmanuel St. Mark's St. George the Martyr St. Mary's, Deane Non Conformist Fletcher St Methodist Grecian Crescent Victoria Methodist Slaterfield Methodist Unity, Deane Rd (Unitarian) Roman Catholic SS Peter & Paul (Pilkington St.) HTH Valerie -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C Port Sent: 10 September 2006 21:03 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Swan Lane Hi Valerie, Probably early 1900's for the churches near Swan Lane. Probably Church of England but am willing to check out everything else. Thanks Tina ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not sure when Jubilee School was built. But the St Peters school on Limefield Rd was opened in 1973, and is in no way associated with either Church Rd school or Jubilee school. The school on Limefield Rd replaced the older church school on Colliers Row Rd. The building is still there, though was converted to a private residence when it closed as a school. I forget when that was built, though it does have a date stone above the door, but I am away from home on business so can't consult my photographs to tell you the date. The old school can be seen on Colliers Row directly opposite Longshaw Fold Rd:- http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=368360&y=412490&z=4 Regards, Paul Dixon Carrollton, Teaxs --- Bob Thornley <bob@thornleysystems.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Martin, > The church school question is also a bit confusing. I'll be interested to > hear the correct answer to this question myself. > > The original school just down the road from St Peter's Halliwell on Church > Rd, Bolton was the Jubilee School. I don't know when this school was built > or opened, or which Jubilee is implied by its name. > > The building is now used as a church hall, offices, etc. by St Peter's. > > Church Rd C of E Primary School is immediately behind the Jubilee School > building, round the corner on Captain's Clough Rd. > > St Peter's Primary School, associated with St Peter's, Halliwell, is on > Limefield Rd, Smithills Deane Rd, Bolton, approximately a mile away. This > is a modern building. I don't know if there was an earlier one. > > Is there any indication which of these the 1810 date refers to? > > Rgds, Bob Thornley, Bolton > > From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> > >I notice though that the school was built in 1810. Was that associated > >with > > an earlier church in the area? > > Martin Briscoe > > Fort William > > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Peter I can get you the birthdate and place of all. James Livseys mother was called Jane Harper before she married. I am just off too work this am so I will contact you later. Hope this is ok. Regards Andrea

Not in the years stated, since St Peters, Halliwell was not established until 1840. Regards, Paul Dixon Carrollton, Texas --- itsbally@hotmail.com wrote: > The church St. Peters may be my local church, St. Peters, Halliwell. > Anything i could help you with? > > Jonathan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn and Darryl" <dazwilson@bigpond.com> > To: <ENG-LAN-BOLTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:54 AM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] WHICH CHURCH ? > > > Greetings, All, > > > > I have just been reviewing my ancestors. > > > > They all seem to have been married "BOLTON". > > > > They were all Church of England. There are many C of E Churches in Bolton. > > How do I work out which one? I know that my researcher wrote "St Peter's, > > Bolton". > > > > Years are between 1730 and at least 1833. > > > > Would love some help! > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Carolyn. Australia. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

According to Pevsner Emmanuel, Cannon Street was built in 1837-8 Spire removed Closed in 1990 and converted into flats The present day church is the former parish room Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C Port Sent: 11 September 2006 21:05 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Swan lane Hi Graeme Thanks very much for your help with this. Regards Tina Tina, there's a website called "boltonchurch.net" which lists and gives details of a number of churches in Bolton. It looks like the nearest to Swan lane is St Paul & Emannuel which is across the main road off Cannon street. In the old-maps website which shows Bolton in about 1850 the Church is called Emannuel. Hope this helps, Graham Dickinson in Bury

To Glen, Charlotte, Fred and Linda, as well as Valerie, Where I would be without your help, I cannot imagine ! I am so grateful to you. Please accept my personal thanks. Best wishes, Carolyn. Australia.