How about this Liz? Name: Joe Hannah Brierley Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Little Bolton Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Coopers Sqr. Occupation: Midwife Condition as to marriage: Widow View Image Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Little Bolton ED, institution, or vessel: 22f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 102 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Brierley 23 Daughter Weaver Cotton Joe Hannah Brierley 70 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2824; Folio: 103; Page: 20; GSU roll: 543034. and this Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1870 Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference BREARLY Juliana 76 Little Bolton Bolton LB/40/90 Joan

Hi Liz What about this from Lancashire BMD site: Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1846 Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference BREARLEY John 63 Little Bolton Bolton LB/8/394 HTH Joan

Hello to Every One, I was wondering if anyone could tell if it is possible for John Hardman to have married Rachel Hardman. I can't find their marriage anywhere. I do know they had 6 children. John 1818, James 1820, James 1821, Rachel 1824, Edward 1827 and Robert, 1832. I'm pretty sure John ( the father ) died between 1841 and 1851. I have searched Ancestry.com and The Latter Day saints site as well and the BMD. Could anyone help Thank You, John Hardman

Hi again Tamara, I don't know where the Ind. Methodist church records are kept - without looking them up, but I have about 50 baptisms 1895/96 and just four marriages for the same period. Marriages are Horsfield/Howarth Embrey/Byers Bond/Thomasson Hodkinson/Bennett These are from the Wingates Messenger Book 1895-96 Best Wishes >From Pam Clarke -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 19/01/2008 04:54:53 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Wingates Independent PR's? Hello, Does anyone have any church records for Wingates Independent Methodist at all? Thank you, Tamara. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Does anyone have any church records for Wingates Independent Methodist at all? Thank you, Tamara.

Browsing through Roots messengers ......... http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ Anyone know if she found any CROMPTON info? From: "Margaret Harrison" Subject: [ENG-LAN-MIDDLETON-L] posting interest Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:04:17 +0100 Hello, everyone. I am researching the following names BOLTON, DEANE……………..LANG, WHITTLE, , STANTON, , TAYLOR, TONGE, WILKINSON, WORMWELL, WRAY, HARRISON, BLACKLOE, CROMPTON, GREAVES, HARDMAN, ISHERWOOD BOLTON, MIDDLETON………….RATHBONE, EDWARDS, DIXON, BOLTON, WESTHOUGHTON, …..SUMNER, LOWE ................................................... Please note the date of this message. Derek Crompton London South-East

As I mentioned in an earlier post, my Hartley ancestors from Westhoughton and Wingates often appear in the registers with the surname spelt "Hartliff" and sometimes "Hartcliff" (and with variations of these). Does anyone know how they would actually have pronounced their name? For that matter, how is it pronounced in the area nowadays? Searching the IGI for Hartliff shows most of them to be in the Bolton-Wigan-Leigh area, with a few in Cheshire and Yorkshire, and mostly before 1800. None from Colne, which is where the biggest concentration of Hartleys with the usual spelling was. -- David Hartley

HI i am helping someone in Masachusetts USA ,try and discover links with thier kin found in Bolton residing at 48 Howell croft on the 1881 census .THOMAS BRETT was 14 porter for wine and spirit merchant THOMAS married HARRIET WOMACK june qutr 1886.the couple and two children sailed on ss michigan 2 to boston 1889 . The census lists Thomas born bolton but his parents Ireland. If anyone can further retrieve any info on this couple i would appreciate it very much .thanks for your time regards JOHN MORRISS Deal kent

Thanks for the reply. My St. Catharines granny was from Bolton also.:-) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Albert R. Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Peel Street Joyce: The person you refer to is my great-grandfather, my father's mother's father. I am sorry that I cannot answer your question. Since I am born and bred in Canada I have no local knowledge of Bolton and environs, and my family history research has not yet progressed to this level of detail. Thanks for your message. If you do learn more about this James SMITH/family, I would love to hear it. Albert......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "joyce stevens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SMITH and SMITH of Bolton > HI, > I am most intrigued with your police detective father and his address on > Peel Street. > > I'm only guessing, but was his police station on Peel Street and he lived > close to work? Of course I am referring to Peelian Reform and the > possibility the street was named after the great man, Mr. Peel. > > Love this list for the trivia about Bolton to be learned here. > > Regards, > > Joyce Stevens -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1204 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce: The person you refer to is my great-grandfather, my father's mother's father. I am sorry that I cannot answer your question. Since I am born and bred in Canada I have no local knowledge of Bolton and environs, and my family history research has not yet progressed to this level of detail. Thanks for your message. If you do learn more about this James SMITH/family, I would love to hear it. Albert......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "joyce stevens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SMITH and SMITH of Bolton > HI, > I am most intrigued with your police detective father and his address on > Peel Street. > > I'm only guessing, but was his police station on Peel Street and he lived > close to work? Of course I am referring to Peelian Reform and the > possibility the street was named after the great man, Mr. Peel. > > Love this list for the trivia about Bolton to be learned here. > > Regards, > > Joyce Stevens -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1204 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

HI, I am most intrigued with your police detective father and his address on Peel Street. I'm only guessing, but was his police station on Peel Street and he lived close to work? Of course I am referring to Peelian Reform and the possibility the street was named after the great man, Mr. Peel. Love this list for the trivia about Bolton to be learned here. Regards, Joyce Stevens -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]om] On Behalf Of Albert R. Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] SMITH and SMITH of Bolton I am a new subscriber to the ENG-LAN-BOLTON mailing list and I hereby introduce myself and my ancestors. This is my second mailing list, LANCSGEN being my recent first, and I am also quite inexperienced at family history research. Please be patient. My name is Albert Raymond SMITH and I live in Welland, Ontario, Canada, which is located about 20 km from Niagara Falls. My father and his parents were from Bolton, Lancashire. They emigrated to Canada leaving Liverpool on October 11, 1920. My mother was born in Canada. Her parents (father WOOD, mother RICHARDSON) and their ancestors are from Scotland, so that is another story. My earliest Lancashire (paternal) ancestors that I know about are: My Grandfather's Parents, Siblings, Etc. - *Father: Henry SMITH, born abt 1844, Accrington, died before 1912. 1881 residence at 38 Emmanuel Street G.B. *Mother: Ann BETHELL, born abt 1849, Accrington Children: *Mary E. SMITH, born about 1868, Accrington. (Married ? SELKIRK - children: Albert, Connie, Nellie) *Agnes SMITH, born abt 1871, Accrington. *Betsy Jane SMITH, born abt 1876, Accrington. (Married ? CLARKE) *William SMITH, born abt 1878, Accrington. (Married Cissie ? - child: Harold SMITH) *Henry SMITH, born abt 1880, Bolton. *Elisa SMITH, born abt 1882. Bolton. (Married ? - child: Lizzie SMITH) *Albert SMITH (my grandfather), born June 8, 1891, 38 Emmanuel Street, Great Bolton, died May 5, 1960, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, (Married Florence SMITH - more below) My Grandmother's Parents, Siblings, Etc. - *Father: James SMITH, born March 14, 1849, Lostock, died January 10, 1923, Bolton. Police Detective Inspector. Residences: 1881 - 75 Peel Street; 1890 - 21 Peabody Street; 1891 - 9 Edward Street. *Mother: Mary PIERCY, born April 20, 1849, Bistre, Flint, Wales, died November 21, 1919, Bolton Children: *William SMITH, born December 9, 1891, Bolton, died March 4, 1940. (Married Nellie Loughton? - children: Squire, Albert, Louis). *Elizabeth Ann SMITH, born April 9, 1873, Bolton, died March 27, 1942. (Married Walter LOFTUS - children: Annie, Fred). *James SMITH, born February 12, 1875, Bolton, died August 10 1875, Bolton. *James SMITH, born June 3, 1876, Bolton, died April 26, 1916, Persian Gulf (WW1). (Married Mary HILTON - children: Albert, James, Lily, Phyllis). *Mary Ellen SMITH, born November 7, 1877, Bolton, died January 19, 1954. (Married William HOWARTH - children: Lily, Ethel). *Hannah Jane SMITH, born February 2, 1879, Bolton, died October 26, 1879, Bolton. *Alice SMITH, born April 7, 1880, Bolton, died November 13 1880, Bolton. *stillborn SMITH, born September 18, 1881, Bolton. *Albert SMITH, born October 12, 1882, Bolton, died July 11, 1905, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. *Lily SMITH, born December 28, 1884, Bolton, died September 11, 1892. *Herbert SMITH, born April 23, 1886, Bolton, died September 28, 1886, Bolton. *Florence SMITH (my grandmother), born August 21, 1887, Bolton, died January 22, 1944, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. (Married Albert SMITH - more below). *Herbert SMITH, born May 22, 1890, Bolton, died December 9, 1971. (Married Martha Alice BLOOR - child Geoffrey). My Grandparents and their Children: *Father: Albert SMITH (child of Henry SMITH above). Residence in 1912 - 5 Ash Grove. *Mother: Florence SMITH (child of James SMITH above). Residence in 1912 - 9 Edward Street. (They were married in the Registry Office, Bolton, April 27, 1912. Witnesses - Jas. SMITH and Betsy Jane CLARKE.) Children: *Albert SMITH, born 1912, Bolton, died abt 1914. *Albert SMITH (my father), born November 13, 1914, at home - 23 Robert Stanley Street, U.D., South West Bolton, died (heart surgery) November 21, 1963, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I would surely appreciate all the information I can get regarding my ancestors listed here, and their decendents. Some of the above information above is "word of mouth" and may be far from accurate - but I have to start with what I have. Thank you very much to all of you who have had the patience to get to the end of this too long message. I visited Bolton in 1996 and loved it - everyone sounded just like my grandparents. Regards, Albert R. Smith 133 Lea Crescent Welland, Ontario L3C 7J7 Canada Voice phone: 905-788-4097 Fax: 360-234-5391 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1204 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a new subscriber to the ENG-LAN-BOLTON mailing list and I hereby introduce myself and my ancestors. This is my second mailing list, LANCSGEN being my recent first, and I am also quite inexperienced at family history research. Please be patient. My name is Albert Raymond SMITH and I live in Welland, Ontario, Canada, which is located about 20 km from Niagara Falls. My father and his parents were from Bolton, Lancashire. They emigrated to Canada leaving Liverpool on October 11, 1920. My mother was born in Canada. Her parents (father WOOD, mother RICHARDSON) and their ancestors are from Scotland, so that is another story. My earliest Lancashire (paternal) ancestors that I know about are: My Grandfather's Parents, Siblings, Etc. - *Father: Henry SMITH, born abt 1844, Accrington, died before 1912. 1881 residence at 38 Emmanuel Street G.B. *Mother: Ann BETHELL, born abt 1849, Accrington Children: *Mary E. SMITH, born about 1868, Accrington. (Married ? SELKIRK - children: Albert, Connie, Nellie) *Agnes SMITH, born abt 1871, Accrington. *Betsy Jane SMITH, born abt 1876, Accrington. (Married ? CLARKE) *William SMITH, born abt 1878, Accrington. (Married Cissie ? - child: Harold SMITH) *Henry SMITH, born abt 1880, Bolton. *Elisa SMITH, born abt 1882. Bolton. (Married ? - child: Lizzie SMITH) *Albert SMITH (my grandfather), born June 8, 1891, 38 Emmanuel Street, Great Bolton, died May 5, 1960, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, (Married Florence SMITH - more below) My Grandmother's Parents, Siblings, Etc. - *Father: James SMITH, born March 14, 1849, Lostock, died January 10, 1923, Bolton. Police Detective Inspector. Residences: 1881 - 75 Peel Street; 1890 - 21 Peabody Street; 1891 - 9 Edward Street. *Mother: Mary PIERCY, born April 20, 1849, Bistre, Flint, Wales, died November 21, 1919, Bolton Children: *William SMITH, born December 9, 1891, Bolton, died March 4, 1940. (Married Nellie Loughton? - children: Squire, Albert, Louis). *Elizabeth Ann SMITH, born April 9, 1873, Bolton, died March 27, 1942. (Married Walter LOFTUS - children: Annie, Fred). *James SMITH, born February 12, 1875, Bolton, died August 10 1875, Bolton. *James SMITH, born June 3, 1876, Bolton, died April 26, 1916, Persian Gulf (WW1). (Married Mary HILTON - children: Albert, James, Lily, Phyllis). *Mary Ellen SMITH, born November 7, 1877, Bolton, died January 19, 1954. (Married William HOWARTH - children: Lily, Ethel). *Hannah Jane SMITH, born February 2, 1879, Bolton, died October 26, 1879, Bolton. *Alice SMITH, born April 7, 1880, Bolton, died November 13 1880, Bolton. *stillborn SMITH, born September 18, 1881, Bolton. *Albert SMITH, born October 12, 1882, Bolton, died July 11, 1905, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. *Lily SMITH, born December 28, 1884, Bolton, died September 11, 1892. *Herbert SMITH, born April 23, 1886, Bolton, died September 28, 1886, Bolton. *Florence SMITH (my grandmother), born August 21, 1887, Bolton, died January 22, 1944, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. (Married Albert SMITH - more below). *Herbert SMITH, born May 22, 1890, Bolton, died December 9, 1971. (Married Martha Alice BLOOR - child Geoffrey). My Grandparents and their Children: *Father: Albert SMITH (child of Henry SMITH above). Residence in 1912 - 5 Ash Grove. *Mother: Florence SMITH (child of James SMITH above). Residence in 1912 - 9 Edward Street. (They were married in the Registry Office, Bolton, April 27, 1912. Witnesses - Jas. SMITH and Betsy Jane CLARKE.) Children: *Albert SMITH, born 1912, Bolton, died abt 1914. *Albert SMITH (my father), born November 13, 1914, at home - 23 Robert Stanley Street, U.D., South West Bolton, died (heart surgery) November 21, 1963, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I would surely appreciate all the information I can get regarding my ancestors listed here, and their decendents. Some of the above information above is "word of mouth" and may be far from accurate - but I have to start with what I have. Thank you very much to all of you who have had the patience to get to the end of this too long message. I visited Bolton in 1996 and loved it - everyone sounded just like my grandparents. Regards, Albert R. Smith 133 Lea Crescent Welland, Ontario L3C 7J7 Canada Voice phone: 905-788-4097 Fax: 360-234-5391 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1204 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Jim, Sorry I can't see a link with any of the Partingtons I have listed but I haven't gone far back with many of them. However I know that most were born in Westhoughton but there is a Joseph Partington born in 1840 in Westhoughton, who I haven't traced forward. I know nothing about him except his parents, who were Henry and Margaret Partington. Henry from Westhoughton born 1804. There may be a connection with Joseph's descendants but not a line I know anything about. Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment. Regards, Anne

Hi Anne, I noticed your reference to the Partington name, I have a relative who married a Edith Partington of Wingates 1904 . Her father was Joseph Partington a collier. regards Jim [email protected] wrote: Hello fellow listers, My name is Anne and my direct ancestors were born in Chequerbent and the Chew Moor / Lostock areas. My late grandfather, Seth Holding born in 1900 in Adlington ran a small grocer's shop on Bolton Road Westhoughton with his second wife Alice Lowe , daughter of John Lowe and my great aunt another shop in Chequerbent at 693/5 Manchester Road known in it`s day as Jack Party`s. My gt aunt was Doris Partington , Jack`s daughter. I often visited both shops as a child ......proper old fashioned shops with floor to ceiling wooden shelves and rows of those big glass jars filled with toffees. My mother attended Chequerbent School/ Mission Church on Manchester Road in the 1930's and later Westhoughton Girls School and was involved in local music bands , one being called Barbara Lobb and her Broadcasting Orchestra. They performed for the radio, hence the name. My mother played accordion ...still can. Has anyone else heard of this band? Note to ANDREA....Chequerbent Mission, according to my mother, was used as a place of worship on Sundays and during the week was an educational establishment for infants/juniors, the secondary school being on the opposite side of Manchester Rd. Anyone please correct me if I`m wrong. I don't like to post inaccurate information. The SMITHS lived at Wicken Lees Farm for many a year, apparently `dealing`in horses as well as running a farm. Family myth has them as a bit of a rum bunch. I`ve tracked down other farms/ smallholdings/cottages they inhabited including Smith Fold in 1851. At present I'm hoping to find out what happened to some of my gt grandmothers siblings all of whom were born I assume at Wicken Lees namely: William Smith b 1869 and his wife Clara ( nee Boden ) and daughter Elizabeth Ann who in 1901 lived at 160 Chulsey? Gate Lane, Wingates, working as Coal miner/ Hewer. Walter Smith b 1876 Thomas Smith b 1878 George Smith b 1880 Gerrard Smith b 1888 If anyone could furnish me with what happened to any of these people after 1901 , I would be grateful. I know of the headstone at St John`s Wingates with John Smith and wife Alice and that of Susannah Partington and Edwin ( thanks for the transcriotions found online ) It's a bit of a job finding correct deaths with the Smith name so family connections might help, if there are any.) Many thanks, Anne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Is it possible for SKS to look in the cemetery registers the next time they visit for information on Ann (Brindle) McPartlin age 65 whose death is registered Jun 1919. One reference is Bolton 8c 389 and another is Tongue w/Haulgh TWH/31/171. She was the wife of Thomas McPartlin. Thomas McPartlin died 19 Nov 1937 age 82 and was buried 24 Nov 1937 in Astley Bridge Cemetery, R.C. services. Ref: 8087. I would like to know if Ann is buried in the same grave as Thomas. Through the LDS I ordered a film index of Astley Bridge burials/graves but I wasn't able to understand the material. Joan in Virginia, USA

Hi Anne & Lynne, I have been reading your very interesting stories about Chequerbent. I too, went to Chequerbent Mission Church which was built in 1888 and closed January 1970, to be demolished to make way for the M61 motorway Junction 5 slip road & roundabout. The infant school building is still standing, just opposite the roundabout. I started there at 5 in 1950 then went 'across the road' to the big school until I was 11. I will contact you off-line, because we might have much more to talk about. Best Wishes. Pam Clarke, for Westhoughton Local History Group

HI Anne I was so interested to read about your conncection with Chequerbent - I lived there from 1948-53 and attended Chequerbent School. The Mission was the junior school and was also used for social occasions - I recall attending dances there on Saturday evenings in the early 1960's because although we then lived in Atherton I had a cousin who still lived in Chequerbent. The junior school was demolished to make way for the road improvements (?) when the motorway was built. The infant school was across the road (this was the school I attended) and I have a photograph of our class taken in the school yard (c.1952). The building is still there, and I can't recall what it is used for now. It consisted of two classrooms with a sliding wooden partition between them. I have a photograph of the class at work in the classroom which opened on to the road. You mentioned the Smith family. I don't know if they are connected, but we lived at 487 Manchester Road 1948-53 and our neighbours (at 489) were called Smith. The row of houses is opposite what is now the Mercury Motel, but in the 1950s was the site of Sagar's Farm. The Smiths had a son called Percy (probably in his 20s or 30s) who I recall had some kind of learning difficulties, and who I think worked on the farm. I'm sorry I don't recall his parents' Christian names, but they seemed to me (as a 5 year old) to be very old, so they probably weren't as old as they seemed. I hope that this information is useful to you, if you need any further information, do drop me an email. Best wishes Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:19 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Chequerbent, Lostock, Wingates and SMITHS > Hello fellow listers, > > My name is Anne and my direct ancestors were born in Chequerbent and the > Chew Moor / Lostock areas. My late grandfather, Seth Holding born in 1900 > in Adlington ran a small grocer's shop on Bolton Road Westhoughton with > his second wife Alice Lowe , daughter of John Lowe and my great aunt > another shop in Chequerbent at 693/5 Manchester Road known in it`s day as > Jack Party`s. My gt aunt was Doris Partington , Jack`s daughter. I often > visited both shops as a child ......proper old fashioned shops with > floor to ceiling wooden shelves and rows of those big glass jars filled > with toffees. > > My mother attended Chequerbent School/ Mission Church on Manchester Road > in the 1930's and later Westhoughton Girls School and was involved in > local music bands , one being called Barbara Lobb and her Broadcasting > Orchestra. They performed for the radio, hence the name. My mother played > accordion ...still can. > Has anyone else heard of this band? > > Note to ANDREA....Chequerbent Mission, according to my mother, was used as > a place of worship on Sundays and during the week was an educational > establishment for infants/juniors, the secondary school being on the > opposite side of Manchester Rd. Anyone please correct me if I`m wrong. I > don't like to post inaccurate information. > > The SMITHS lived at Wicken Lees Farm for many a year, apparently > `dealing`in horses as well as running a farm. Family myth has them as a > bit of a rum bunch. I`ve tracked down other farms/ smallholdings/cottages > they inhabited including Smith Fold in 1851. > At present I'm hoping to find out what happened to some of my gt > grandmothers siblings all of whom were born I assume at Wicken Lees > namely: > > William Smith b 1869 and his wife Clara ( nee Boden ) and daughter > Elizabeth Ann who in 1901 lived at 160 Chulsey? Gate Lane, Wingates, > working as Coal miner/ Hewer. > > Walter Smith b 1876 > Thomas Smith b 1878 > George Smith b 1880 > Gerrard Smith b 1888 > > If anyone could furnish me with what happened to any of these people after > 1901 , I would be grateful. I know of the headstone at St John`s Wingates > with John Smith and wife Alice and that of Susannah Partington and Edwin > ( thanks for the transcriotions found online ) It's a bit of a job finding > correct deaths with the Smith name so family connections might help, if > there are any.) > > Many thanks, > Anne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello fellow listers, My name is Anne and my direct ancestors were born in Chequerbent and the Chew Moor / Lostock areas. My late grandfather, Seth Holding born in 1900 in Adlington ran a small grocer's shop on Bolton Road Westhoughton with his second wife Alice Lowe , daughter of John Lowe and my great aunt another shop in Chequerbent at 693/5 Manchester Road known in it`s day as Jack Party`s. My gt aunt was Doris Partington , Jack`s daughter. I often visited both shops as a child ......proper old fashioned shops with floor to ceiling wooden shelves and rows of those big glass jars filled with toffees. My mother attended Chequerbent School/ Mission Church on Manchester Road in the 1930's and later Westhoughton Girls School and was involved in local music bands , one being called Barbara Lobb and her Broadcasting Orchestra. They performed for the radio, hence the name. My mother played accordion ...still can. Has anyone else heard of this band? Note to ANDREA....Chequerbent Mission, according to my mother, was used as a place of worship on Sundays and during the week was an educational establishment for infants/juniors, the secondary school being on the opposite side of Manchester Rd. Anyone please correct me if I`m wrong. I don't like to post inaccurate information. The SMITHS lived at Wicken Lees Farm for many a year, apparently `dealing`in horses as well as running a farm. Family myth has them as a bit of a rum bunch. I`ve tracked down other farms/ smallholdings/cottages they inhabited including Smith Fold in 1851. At present I'm hoping to find out what happened to some of my gt grandmothers siblings all of whom were born I assume at Wicken Lees namely: William Smith b 1869 and his wife Clara ( nee Boden ) and daughter Elizabeth Ann who in 1901 lived at 160 Chulsey? Gate Lane, Wingates, working as Coal miner/ Hewer. Walter Smith b 1876 Thomas Smith b 1878 George Smith b 1880 Gerrard Smith b 1888 If anyone could furnish me with what happened to any of these people after 1901 , I would be grateful. I know of the headstone at St John`s Wingates with John Smith and wife Alice and that of Susannah Partington and Edwin ( thanks for the transcriotions found online ) It's a bit of a job finding correct deaths with the Smith name so family connections might help, if there are any.) Many thanks, Anne

In message <[email protected]>, Pam Clarke <[email protected]> writes >Hi David, Hi Andrea, > >Just been looking through my copies of Wills and the only Hartley one that I >have here, is Christopher Hartley, (Chapman) of Great Stone Estate (I need >to research the extent of this estate!) >Now we know Great Stone Farm was on Park Road, but nevertheless - here are >details. >Christopher Hartley died 29.12.1825 - he had a son Henry and two daughters, >Elizabeth(Betty) and Margaret. >He had cottages with tenants:- Thomas Boardman, James Marsh, Joseph Lomax, >John Green & William Hartley. >The Executors of the will were, James Silcock of Westhoughton, Fustian >Manufacturer, >Nicholas Pendlebury of Lostock, Cotton Spinner, and the third one was his >son Henry Hartley. >The Estate was under £600.00. > >Another Hartley - Hamlet Hartley keeps popping up here and there, I know he >was a pub landlord for some time, does this name ring a bell? Thanks Pam. I have seen that will, but I haven't found a connection between Christopher and "my" Hartleys, although Nicholas Pendlebury was a cousin of Catherine Pendlebury who married Peter Hartley - my ggg-grandparents. He later farmed at Ainscoughs, near Wingates. Christopher and his family are in the Westhoughton MIs in the archived list, which I see were posted by you. Yes, Hamlet Hartley does seem to keep popping up, lovely name. He has a large number of descendants in America and some collateral ones in this country who I've contacted, but we haven't established a link there either. He's in the Wingates MIs, also posted by you. They've been useful, thank you. Best Wishes David Hartley

Hi Everyone on the List, I thought I might say Thank You to the List Host and to say how useful this resource is to have the facility to give researchers on similar topics to be able to exchange information. Thank you to Derek, David, Andrea and Stuart (nice talking with you today, Stuart), for sharing information on this particular area in Westhoughton. I took a ride down Top o'th Slack today, and the area now has become so desolate! It is hard to imagine the vibrant little community that was there in years gone by, and the lovely stories you have told me about how you remembered the place...today was rather creepy! Best Wishes to Everyone, Pam Clarke for Westhoughton Local History