Rather than sending all the lists a copy of the same thing, I've posted the upcoming events on LancsGen, since many of you also belong to that list. If you don't belong to LancsGen or Eng-Gen-Events, you can view the latest events message at <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/LANCSGEN/2008-01/1201105081>. Enjoy! If you know of any events that should be included, but aren't, please let me know. Best wishes, Lynne

Hi Kay, No luck I am afraid. There is not a Benjamin to be found. Several Catherines, but as I have no details, I can't help. Sorry Regards from Ottawa, Canada. Joan

Hello everyone, I'm seeking any descendants of a lady named ANNIE BRAMWELL who would have lived in Aspull or Swinton around 1916. She was probably born circa 1870-80's and this was probably her married name. Thank you, Tamara.

Joan would you kindly look up benjamin bury - catherin bury - sometimes the name is spelled berrey, berry - FRom Usa. and unable to find any info on them . Thanks - I would like to find something before I am on the other side of the grass myself. I am 88 yrs old. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Bridges" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:28 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Joanna BRIERLEY > Hi Liz, > > I have the 1851 CDs for Lancashire plus the Surname Index for Bolton 1851. > > I have gone through every Brierley, Brearley, Briery, Brimily without > finding > Joanna. Sorry. > > I did come across one interesting entry HO107/2211/44/17 > James BRIERLEY Lodger Unmarried age 34 PoB East India British Subject > My math says he was born about 1816. Could he be an older brother to > your John Henry? It seems too much of a coincidence for there not to > be a link. > > Also came across a Mary Ann BREARLY Lodger Unmarried age 25 witha 5 year > old > Ellen BREARLY HO107/2211/417/42. Could she be John Henry's younger > sister? > > Regards > > Joan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello list :) I have been passed on another group photo which I thought should be on Valerie's website as there may a list members ancestor pictured in it. I'm going to forward it on to her tonight. My GG Grandmother is pictured in it and she was born in the Barton on Irwel area and had her daughter in Aspull so I could imagine that the people in the photo would be from either of these areas...it is of a picnic and looks circa 1900 - although I'm not very knowledgeable about dating photographs. If anyone has a better idea of the date please let me know! Thank you, Tamara.

Hi Valerie, good to have you back ,hope your move went well,ang good luck in your new home. Cheers. Jess --- Valerie lirakis <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Nice to be back onlist again. Hope everyone had a > good Christmas (goodness, > it seems a long time ago now). My move down to > Sussex went very smoothly, > and I am enjoying the fabulous view over the English > Channel from my flat. > > Although I am back on the list, I have decided not > to take up the reins of > listowner again, and have asked Lynne to continue as > admin, which, she has > said, she is delighted to do. Although I cannot, > obviously, do any research > in the Archives, I hope with my resources at hand, > to be able to assist with > enquiries that come along. > > This seems as good a time as any to restate my > surname interests which are > ASHWORTH and LANCASTER in Bolton. > > I shall still continue to run my website > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/index.htm > so if you > have any photos that you cannot identify please scan > them to me. New e-mail > address [email protected] > > Cheers for now, > Valerie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

Hi Liz, I have the 1851 CDs for Lancashire plus the Surname Index for Bolton 1851. I have gone through every Brierley, Brearley, Briery, Brimily without finding Joanna. Sorry. I did come across one interesting entry HO107/2211/44/17 James BRIERLEY Lodger Unmarried age 34 PoB East India British Subject My math says he was born about 1816. Could he be an older brother to your John Henry? It seems too much of a coincidence for there not to be a link. Also came across a Mary Ann BREARLY Lodger Unmarried age 25 witha 5 year old Ellen BREARLY HO107/2211/417/42. Could she be John Henry's younger sister? Regards Joan

Hi everyone, Nice to be back onlist again. Hope everyone had a good Christmas (goodness, it seems a long time ago now). My move down to Sussex went very smoothly, and I am enjoying the fabulous view over the English Channel from my flat. Although I am back on the list, I have decided not to take up the reins of listowner again, and have asked Lynne to continue as admin, which, she has said, she is delighted to do. Although I cannot, obviously, do any research in the Archives, I hope with my resources at hand, to be able to assist with enquiries that come along. This seems as good a time as any to restate my surname interests which are ASHWORTH and LANCASTER in Bolton. I shall still continue to run my website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/index.htm so if you have any photos that you cannot identify please scan them to me. New e-mail address [email protected] Cheers for now, Valerie

Hi Tamara, If you scan the photos to me I will put them on my web site. E-mail address [email protected] Cheers, Valerie On 22/01/2008, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > I have a class photo for the school of WINGATES INDEPENDENT METHODIST > SCHOOL year 1906. The teacher was a Mr Williams. If anyone had any > ancestors/relatives who attended this school just let me know and I would be > happy to forward the photo on to you. The two children that I know of in > the photo are 10 years old and 8 years old. > I also have another group photo of children at the same school. It looks > to only be a year or so later, so 1907 or 1908. > Tamara. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello everyone, I have a class photo for the school of WINGATES INDEPENDENT METHODIST SCHOOL year 1906. The teacher was a Mr Williams. If anyone had any ancestors/relatives who attended this school just let me know and I would be happy to forward the photo on to you. The two children that I know of in the photo are 10 years old and 8 years old. I also have another group photo of children at the same school. It looks to only be a year or so later, so 1907 or 1908. Tamara.

Hello everyone, Tamara's offer has brought to mind my own regret, I have no photo's of my father as a child, and have often wondered if any School Photo's exist for All Saints Little Bolton pre 1932. So if any of out listers have such a picture I would love to know. Perhaps they could be included on the Bolton web site, start a collection. Regards Maureen. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] WINGATES INDEPENDENT SCHOOL PHOTOS Hello everyone, I have a class photo for the school of WINGATES INDEPENDENT METHODIST SCHOOL year 1906. The teacher was a Mr Williams. If anyone had any ancestors/relatives who attended this school just let me know and I would be happy to forward the photo on to you. The two children that I know of in the photo are 10 years old and 8 years old. I also have another group photo of children at the same school. It looks to only be a year or so later, so 1907 or 1908. Tamara. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Meg & Joan, Thank you for your messages. I have subscriptions to Find my Past, Ancestry & sundry other Family History Societies & sites. Am trying to avoid joining another (Lancashire) as husband has threatened divorce if I do & if I buy the 1851 Lancashire census just to find one person, the elusive Joanna Brierley. I spent a frustrating half hour on Find my Past trying to find Joe Hannah Brierley in 1861. Eventually had the sense to use the address provided by Joan & the Household Schedule number. Eventually found them & looked at the census image. The surname, which I could read easily as Brierley, had been mistranscribed by Find my Past as BRISLEY, which is why I couldn't find them at first. I find that site as frustrating as Ancestry! Have since spent 2 hours going through the 1851 census on Ancestry.com (the only site that seems to have the 1851 census) & given up after searching over 2500 Brierleys & Brearleys. If Joanna was Johan Brierley in 1841, Joe Hannah Brisley in 1861 & Juliana Brearley (perhaps) at her death, Heaven only knows what she was entered as in 1851. I agree that it's possible the younger children Hannah & William, 4 & 1 respectively in 1841 might be grandchildren, but women who had been breeding with monotonous regularity throughout their marriages often gave birth during their mid forties. Sadly, 1841 does not include family relationships and I can't find Joanna in 1851. Hopefully, William's birth certificate will give me her maiden name, but until it arrives, I am stuck again. Thank you again, both of you, Liz Coreglia Antelminelli

Hi Tamara, Another paragraph or two further in the book is written - This may also help anyone looking for Martin also. I do hope it will, Best Wishes from Pam Clarke. The first annual meeting at which Westhoughton Church was represented was in 1821. The delegate from Wingates was Thomas Boardman, great-grandfather of Mrs Howarth, and father of old Thomas Boardman, who until his death at Warcock Hill a few years ago (written in 1895) was a constant worshipper at Wingates. In 1822 Richard Martin and William Bradshaw attended the annual meeting on behalf of Wingates Church. Richard Martin was uncle to the late John Martin so well known as a disciple of “Daniel Dancer.” Richard was a preacher from the beginning of the movement. He went to America before the chapel was opened in 1835.

Hi Tamara, I am just going through Wingates Messenger for 1895/96 and have come across this entry - The Baptismal Register opens in May 1820, by William and Betty Boardman presenting a daughter. The Minister was Mr William Yates. On the 22nd July 1822 the same couple bring a son and name him Thomas. He became a very useful singer as time passed. He is still living (in 1895) He is the father of Mrs Richard Lee of Wigan. I hope it is useful, Best Wishes from Pam Clarke

I have checked Military Births on www.findmypast.com and can't find anything for a John Henry born around 1819, sorry. Meg Please note change of surname following my recent marriage -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Wilde Sent: 21 January 2008 13:17 To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Joanna BRIERLEY Apologies in advance for the length of this message, but I am completely stuck!! Below is the information I have, and I would welcome any suggestions as to where to look now. I live in a hilltop village in Tuscany, so getting to UK libraries etc. to find relevant information is a rare event & getting to Bolton (where I was born) virtually impossible for the forseeable future. I have sent for a birth cert. for the William Brierley b 1840, but as the given name is so common, fear it may well not be the right family. My maternal g g g grandparents, John & Joanna Brierley (written as JONAH, and her birthplace as I - which means Ireland according to the Ancestry.com entry) appear in the 1841 census, but are absent in 1851, although three of their children are living together in 1851. This (and their ages in 1841) leads me to assume that both John & Joanna died between the two censuses, but unfortunately I can't find a death (or birth or marriage) for either of them on any of the online sites I know of. (IGI, Find my Past, Ancestry, Free BMD) Their eldest son, my g g grandfather, John Henry Brierley born around 1819, was already married by 1841, and states his birthplace in all censuses from 1841 as East Indies or Bombay, India. Their eldest daughter, Sarah Brierley, was christened on 11 March 1821 at St. Peters, Bolton le Moors & all the children listed in the 1841 census below were born in Bolton, so was John Henry mistaken or misinformed re. his birthplace? Was it Ireland, not India? If the family were in India (and I can find no record of that) then they were back in Bolton by 1820-1. If they were in Ireland, I can find no record of John & Joanna's marriage &, not knowing her surname, no record of her birth. Some time ago, Charlotte (from this list) gave me the following information, "I have checked the Regimental Births 1771 - 1924 which I have on disc and the only John Brierley born around 1820 was born in 1822 in Buttavant, Ireland." but that date is too late for my John Henry's birth, as the family were in Little Bolton by 1821. 1841 Census Halliwell Rd., Bolton le Moors, Little Bolton John Brierley 55 Weaver b Bolton (as were all the children) Jonah (sic) Brierley 45 b I (presumably Ireland or could it be India?) name should read JOANNA Mary Brierley 15 Ellen Brierley 13 Eliza Brierley 10 Robert Brierley 8 Hannah Brierley 4 William Brierley 1 1851 census 50, Blackburn St., Little Bolton Robert Brierley Head 17 Machine Turner b Bolton Hannah Brierley sister 13 Power Loom Weaver b Bolton Phoebe Aspin visitor 7 scholar b Darwen John Kenyon lodger 22 Iron Turner b Bolton Eliza Kenyon lodger 19 Turner's wife b Bolton (older sister of Robert & Hannah Brierley) WHAT CAN I DO NOW??? Any suggestions will be most helpful. Liz (alias Desperate) Coreglia Antelminelli ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Joan, You are a genius!! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I thought I had tried all the variations of Joanna, but certainly I never thought of Joe Hannah. I find Ancestry.com is a nightmare to find census information on, despite all the opportunities to insert vital details. Either the person you are searching for appears at once, which is wonderful, or you have to trawl through hundreds of names often bearing no relation to the name you want, which is very frustrating. I am certain this Joe Hannah is my ggg grandmother, as her last daughter was Hannah & is the right age. Perhaps the Juliana Brearley death is her too. Re-checking my emails I see that you sent me the deaths information last October, and I did nothing about it. Sorry about that. I had dismissed the John Brearley dying in 1846 as I assumed the age was incorrect. In 1841 he is listed as 55, & the census takers were told to round down ages to the nearest 5 years, but as he is the only John Brearley/Brierley dying in that period I presume he is mine. I thought Juliana was too far from Joanna to be realistic too. Just goes to show you should always keep an open mind (and learn to count properly!). Mille grazie again. Liz Coreglia Antelminelli

You may to care to use the website www.findmypast.com which although you have to pay for the downloads if you don't have a subscription seems to find things that have been misspelled or generally 'lost' on Ancestry. I didn't realise this until recently and using this website has knocked down quite a few brick walls for me. Meg -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Wilde Sent: 21 January 2008 16:54 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Joanna BRIERLEY Dear Joan, You are a genius!! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I thought I had tried all the variations of Joanna, but certainly I never thought of Joe Hannah. I find Ancestry.com is a nightmare to find census information on, despite all the opportunities to insert vital details. Either the person you are searching for appears at once, which is wonderful, or you have to trawl through hundreds of names often bearing no relation to the name you want, which is very frustrating. I am certain this Joe Hannah is my ggg grandmother, as her last daughter was Hannah & is the right age. Perhaps the Juliana Brearley death is her too. Re-checking my emails I see that you sent me the deaths information last October, and I did nothing about it. Sorry about that. I had dismissed the John Brearley dying in 1846 as I assumed the age was incorrect. In 1841 he is listed as 55, & the census takers were told to round down ages to the nearest 5 years, but as he is the only John Brearley/Brierley dying in that period I presume he is mine. I thought Juliana was too far from Joanna to be realistic too. Just goes to show you should always keep an open mind (and learn to count properly!). Mille grazie again. Liz Coreglia Antelminelli ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone else looking for above names? Cherryl

Apologies in advance for the length of this message, but I am completely stuck!! Below is the information I have, and I would welcome any suggestions as to where to look now. I live in a hilltop village in Tuscany, so getting to UK libraries etc. to find relevant information is a rare event & getting to Bolton (where I was born) virtually impossible for the forseeable future. I have sent for a birth cert. for the William Brierley b 1840, but as the given name is so common, fear it may well not be the right family. My maternal g g g grandparents, John & Joanna Brierley (written as JONAH, and her birthplace as I - which means Ireland according to the Ancestry.com entry) appear in the 1841 census, but are absent in 1851, although three of their children are living together in 1851. This (and their ages in 1841) leads me to assume that both John & Joanna died between the two censuses, but unfortunately I can't find a death (or birth or marriage) for either of them on any of the online sites I know of. (IGI, Find my Past, Ancestry, Free BMD) Their eldest son, my g g grandfather, John Henry Brierley born around 1819, was already married by 1841, and states his birthplace in all censuses from 1841 as East Indies or Bombay, India. Their eldest daughter, Sarah Brierley, was christened on 11 March 1821 at St. Peters, Bolton le Moors & all the children listed in the 1841 census below were born in Bolton, so was John Henry mistaken or misinformed re. his birthplace? Was it Ireland, not India? If the family were in India (and I can find no record of that) then they were back in Bolton by 1820-1. If they were in Ireland, I can find no record of John & Joanna's marriage &, not knowing her surname, no record of her birth. Some time ago, Charlotte (from this list) gave me the following information, "I have checked the Regimental Births 1771 - 1924 which I have on disc and the only John Brierley born around 1820 was born in 1822 in Buttavant, Ireland." but that date is too late for my John Henry's birth, as the family were in Little Bolton by 1821. 1841 Census Halliwell Rd., Bolton le Moors, Little Bolton John Brierley 55 Weaver b Bolton (as were all the children) Jonah (sic) Brierley 45 b I (presumably Ireland or could it be India?) name should read JOANNA Mary Brierley 15 Ellen Brierley 13 Eliza Brierley 10 Robert Brierley 8 Hannah Brierley 4 William Brierley 1 1851 census 50, Blackburn St., Little Bolton Robert Brierley Head 17 Machine Turner b Bolton Hannah Brierley sister 13 Power Loom Weaver b Bolton Phoebe Aspin visitor 7 scholar b Darwen John Kenyon lodger 22 Iron Turner b Bolton Eliza Kenyon lodger 19 Turner's wife b Bolton (older sister of Robert & Hannah Brierley) WHAT CAN I DO NOW??? Any suggestions will be most helpful. Liz (alias Desperate) Coreglia Antelminelli

Hi Liz, I looked at the ages again and I am wondering if the 2 youngest children could actually have been grandchildren? It has happened to me several times, when an older daughter had an illegitimate child, which was then raised by grandparents. Certainly, if Joanna is listed as being 45 in 1841, she could well have been nearer to 50, with age rounded down. Perhaps William's birth certificate will prove me wrong. Lets hope so. There was a Hannah BREARLEY birth in March 1838 in Bolton If you e mail Bolton R.O. with as many details as you have (father's name and occupation etc,) they would tell you if it is the correct one or not. There is a death for a 7 year old William BREARLEY in June 1848 again in Little Bolton. Again, worth asking Bolton R.O. it. Cheers Joan