From: "Valerie lirakis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Cox Green Quarry photo (Ref: 4W)... > If your dates are correct for George Hughson, then he could not be the > quarry worker in the photo, as this was taken c. 1911. However, it might > well be a relation. You could send your photo to me for my website then we > could all compare the likeness. > > I see there is a photo next to this one of a George Hughson on his wedding > day - any connection? Hi Valerie, Thanks for confirming the date of the photograph, and as you point out, it means that the gentleman I referred to can't be George HUGHSON, who I know was a master stonemason by the time he died in 1893. As you say, it could be a relation and you now have me wondering whether it could be one of his sons, following in father's footsteps (there are five to choose from!): Joseph b1847; Esther 1849; Thomas b1852; Alice b1854; Mary Jane b1857; Elizabeth b1860; William b1862; George b1865; John 'Jehu' b1868 and Sarah b1870 Regarding the George HUGHSON wedding photograph... George and his new wife Florence were my great uncle and aunt. They used to live on Mornington Road, Bolton. George's father was John 'Jehu' HUGHSON b1868 in Aspull. John's father was George HUGHSON b1825 in Billinge. I have a photograph, said to be of George, taken shortly before he died in 1893, which I will e-mail to you separately. I will also e-mail you a photograph of John HUGHSON... although I don't know whether John HUGHSON followed in his father's footsteps as far as occupation goes. Kind regards... David Allan.

Hello David, If your dates are correct for George Hughson, then he could not be the quarry worker in the photo, as this was taken c. 1911. However, it might well be a relation. You could send your photo to me for my website then we could all compare the likeness. I see there is a photo next to this one of a George Hughson on his wedding day - any connection? Valerie On 07/02/2008, David Allan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Regarding one of the two photographs of Cox Green Quarry (Ref: 4W), > supplied > by John Valentine and derek Crompton... > > I am fairly certain that in the top photograph, the one with the traction > engine, that the gentleman on the far right might well be George HUGHSON > b1825 in Billinge, Lancashire. George became a master stonemason and died > in > 1893, living at the time on 139 Halliwell Road, Bolton. > > I already have a photograph of George and as well as the facial > similarities, his posture is very similiar too. > > If anyone is interested, I have more information about George and other > HUGHSON's. > > Regards... David Allan. > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Church Hotel 122 Blackburn Rd., Egerton Church Hotel 61 Church Rd., Farnworth Church Hotel 174 Crook St., Great Bolton Church Hotel 87 Cannon St., Great Bolton Church Inn 53 Church St., Blackrod Church Inn 39 Glynne St., Farnworth Church Inn 106 Folds Rd., Little Bolton Church Inn 56 Manchester Rd., West Little Hulton Church Inn 92 Church St., Little Lever Church Inn 6 Blindsill Rd., New Bury Church Inn 32 Wigan Rd., Rumworth

David, There is the Church Hotel in Crook Street in Bolton which still exists: http://www.boltonscene.com/bolton-directory-N-Night+Clubs-The+Church+Hotel.h tm My grt-grandfather William Phethean was hotel manager around 1901. There is also a Church Hotel at 61 Church Road, Kearsley. Regards, Stuart ----------------------------------------------- Stuart Phethean Hampshire UK http:/www.phethean.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Allan Sent: 08 February 2008 07:43 To: Rootsweb - Lancashire; Rootsweb - Bolton Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Bolton pub name query... Can anyone tell me whether there was (or still is) a pub in Bolton called 'The Church'? I had an e-mail from someone yesterday, referring to my great aunt and uncle, who lived in Bolton. Apparently, they wrote a letter after some good news saying how they would 'drink a toast in the Church'. It was later learned that that was the name of their favourite watering hole and not a church as such! So, I was wondering whether there was an actual pub with this name or whether it was their own nickname for their local. Regards... David Allan. :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net

According to Bolton Pubs 1800-2000 Church Hotel, 174 Crook Street Opened with a few years of the consecration of Holy Trinity Church, now a "gay" clientele according to the book. Church Inn, Bamber Street Tongs beerhouse at the beginning of the twentieth century. Now closed Church Inn, 106 Folds Road Closed I can't see any others with Church in the name Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Allan > Sent: 08 February 2008 07:43 > To: Rootsweb - Lancashire; Rootsweb - Bolton > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Bolton pub name query... > > Can anyone tell me whether there was (or still is) a pub in > Bolton called 'The Church'?

Can anyone tell me whether there was (or still is) a pub in Bolton called 'The Church'? I had an e-mail from someone yesterday, referring to my great aunt and uncle, who lived in Bolton. Apparently, they wrote a letter after some good news saying how they would 'drink a toast in the Church'. It was later learned that that was the name of their favourite watering hole and not a church as such! So, I was wondering whether there was an actual pub with this name or whether it was their own nickname for their local. Regards... David Allan.

Regarding one of the two photographs of Cox Green Quarry (Ref: 4W), supplied by John Valentine and derek Crompton... I am fairly certain that in the top photograph, the one with the traction engine, that the gentleman on the far right might well be George HUGHSON b1825 in Billinge, Lancashire. George became a master stonemason and died in 1893, living at the time on 139 Halliwell Road, Bolton. I already have a photograph of George and as well as the facial similarities, his posture is very similiar too. If anyone is interested, I have more information about George and other HUGHSON's. Regards... David Allan.

Thank you. This is fantastic. I'm going to forward this message to the British Home Child mailing list. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] The National Archives Podcast Series Listen to the latest lectures from Kew without leaving the comfort of your home. This looks like a good one: > 'Living the Poor Life' poverty and the workhouse in the nineteenth century > Paul Carter's talk explores the poor life in 19th-century England and > Wales. Using records from The National Archives, he presents > allegations of cruelty to paupers, accounts of political and Chartist > activities and much more. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/rss/podcasts.xml Enjoy! Lynne :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Barb, I hadn't thought of that. Isaac was born in 1850, in Bolton. Regards, Mary In a message dated 07/02/2008 21:06:31 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Mary: Is there any chance your KNOWLES family came to Canada ? I took a quick look at the 1911 Canadian Census; I can find an Arthur, an Albert, and a Walter, although the birth dates are a little off. There is also an Isaac with a wife (I think it said Margaret). But, of course, I don't know when Isaac was born to check out the age that is shown. I wondered if Isaac remarried after Sarah died in 1909 It does not say that they were born in Bolton; it only says born in England. They are living in Manitoba in 1911. Hope I am not throwing a red herring your way, but thought I would ask just in case these might be your people. Barb, Ontario, Canada. >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:35 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] KNOWLES<<<<<< :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listen to the latest lectures from Kew without leaving the comfort of your home. This looks like a good one: > 'Living the Poor Life' poverty and the workhouse in the nineteenth century > Paul Carter's talk explores the poor life in 19th-century England and > Wales. Using records from The National Archives, he presents > allegations of cruelty to paupers, accounts of political and Chartist > activities and much more. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/rss/podcasts.xml Enjoy! Lynne

Mary, On www.lancashirebmd.org.uk there is a death in 1937 for an Albert Knowles Age 52. in South West Bolton. Reference SWB/2A/335 HTH Joan

Hello Mary: Is there any chance your KNOWLES family came to Canada ? I took a quick look at the 1911 Canadian Census; I can find an Arthur, an Albert, and a Walter, although the birth dates are a little off. There is also an Isaac with a wife (I think it said Margaret). But, of course, I don't know when Isaac was born to check out the age that is shown. I wondered if Isaac remarried after Sarah died in 1909 It does not say that they were born in Bolton; it only says born in England. They are living in Manitoba in 1911. Hope I am not throwing a red herring your way, but thought I would ask just in case these might be your people. Barb, Ontario, Canada. >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:35 PM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] KNOWLES<<<<<<

Looking for Arthur (b Bolton c1883), Albert (b Bolton c1885) and Walter (b Bolton c1889), younger sons of Isaac and Sarah KNOWLES (nee SILK) and brothers of my grandfather Benjamin. I have found the family in census returns to 1901 but have been unable to find either marriages or deaths after that. I have the death certificate of their mother Sarah but have not found when Isaac died. Arthur witnessed my grandparents' marriage in 1907 and Albert registered the death of his mother in 1909. After that - silence. Others in the family are Sarah Caroline b Westminster c1875 William Henry b Luton c1876 Lillian R b Bolton c1877 Lizzie b Bolton c1878 Benjamin b Bolton 1879 Peter b Bolton c1881 died c1890 Other than Benjamin (and, of course, Peter) I have not been able to trace any of the life events of these older siblings. I should be grateful for any help, particularly for Arthur, Albert and Walter. Mary

Some while ago I recall some discussion on the Iron Church (the first building of Blackburn Road Congregational Church) Recently I came across this article in the Bolton Journal of 20 Apr 1928 "The closing of a church in this district - the organisation, not the building - is almost unique, and the little Catholic Apostolic Society, at Farnworth, that is being dissolved, would have continued in spite of its difficulties had it been possible to obtain ministers. The change, however, has another interest to Bolton folk because it calls to mind the fact that the church that they have been using for more than a generation was formerly the Iron Chapel which stood on Blackburn Rd, Bolton. Its existence will stir many memories, I know, for many folk who remembered it and its iron steeple well did not know where it had gone. It was opened as a Congregational Church in 1877 and was sold to the Farnworth Apostolic community when the present fine church was opened 20 years afterwards, the gift of the Lever family" Michael

Hi, Mary, Do you have her in the 1901 Census with her parents? I've just found her if you haven't and have saved the image on my hard drive, if this helps. Happy to send it off list. Best wishes, Carolyn in Bathurst, AUS. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:07 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ZIPPORAH LEE b 1896 Bolton > Seeking the marriage of ZIPPORAH LEE b 1896 Bolton, to whom and what > date. > Family lore has it that after her marriage ZIPPORAH and her husband > emigrated to New Zealand where they had two daughters JANET and JOAN. > > Mary > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Alice, once again, many thanks. I should appreciate any help you can give. variant spellings of Zipporah include Zepporah, Zeporah, etc. Regards, Mary

Alice, once again, many thanks. I should appreciate any help you can give. variant spellings of Zipporah include Zepporah, Zeporah, etc. Regards, Mary ____________________________________ From: [email protected] Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 06/02/2008 09:18:04 GMT Standard Time Subj: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ZIPPORAH LEE b 1896 Bolton Sorry not to be more help. In one way it was quite an easy search because Christian names beginning with Z aren't that coomon -two Zillahs, a Zoe, a Zacchaeus and two Zachariahs. The other possibility is a variant spelling - Leigh or Ley are obvious possibilities. I spent about an hour yesterday looking for a marriage where I knew the names of both parties and when it had taken place to within about five years. It took ages because the bridegroom was actually called Hurtley but has got into the registers as Hartley while his wife, whose name on her birth certificate is Browning, was married as Craven, the name of her natural father who was killed in the First World War! When I have some time (workmen about to descend) I will try some possibilities. Best wishes Alice Clarke :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems as though someone has done this for you overnight (my time). Could she have married after 1932 or might this have been in NZ ? Good Luck Antony Lambert On Feb 5, 2008 9:43 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Antony, > > Thank you for this. I have checked Ancestry information with no luck. > How > do I check the GRO Index? I do not know when the daughters were born so > have > no guide as to when the marriage might have taken place. > > Mary > > > In a message dated 05/02/2008 17:40:45 GMT Standard Time, manchest > [email protected] writes: > > As this marriage does not appear on either Lancs B M D or Free B M D it > would seem that you need to check, or have checked the GRO Index. > > The groom's surname will be included in the reference at this date so it > should be a touch easier. > > Any idea when the children were born, to give someone a rough time frame > to > check ? > > Good Luck > > Antony Lambert; > > The Hurst Pages: > www.certificates.fsnet.co.uk/hurst.htm > > > On Feb 5, 2008 4:07 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Seeking the marriage of ZIPPORAH LEE b 1896 Bolton, to whom and what > > date. > > Family lore has it that after her marriage ZIPPORAH and her husband > > emigrated to New Zealand where they had two daughters JANET and JOAN. > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > > Other people can learn from them! > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry not to be more help. In one way it was quite an easy search because Christian names beginning with Z aren't that coomon -two Zillahs, a Zoe, a Zacchaeus and two Zachariahs. The other possibility is a variant spelling - Leigh or Ley are obvious possibilities. I spent about an hour yesterday looking for a marriage where I knew the names of both parties and when it had taken place to within about five years. It took ages because the bridegroom was actually called Hurtley but has got into the registers as Hartley while his wife, whose name on her birth certificate is Browning, was married as Craven, the name of her natural father who was killed in the First World War! When I have some time (workmen about to descend) I will try some possibilities. Best wishes Alice Clarke

Carolyn, many thanks. Yes, I did find her in the 1901 census but after that they seem to have disappeared. I know she married - I am beginning to wonder if she went to NZ before her marriage, with her parents. But if so, it would be soon after WWI. Am stuck. Regards, Mary ____________________________________ From: [email protected] Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 05/02/2008 22:30:00 GMT Standard Time Subj: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ZIPPORAH LEE b 1896 Bolton Hi, Mary, Do you have her in the 1901 Census with her parents? I've just found her if you haven't and have saved the image on my hard drive, if this helps. Happy to send it off list. Best wishes, Carolyn in Bathurst, AUS. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:07 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ZIPPORAH LEE b 1896 Bolton > Seeking the marriage of ZIPPORAH LEE b 1896 Bolton, to whom and what > date. > Family lore has it that after her marriage ZIPPORAH and her husband > emigrated to New Zealand where they had two daughters JANET and JOAN. > > Mary > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message