Does anyone know if "Clock Face, Kearsley" was in "Old Hall Street, Kearsley". Regards, Val Hobson

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Missing children? How about the Bolton Vigilante Committee taking them? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of judy olsen Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Chadwick's Orphanage According to the National Register of Archives, Bolton Archives has one item for the orphanage; '1875-1930: minute book and visitors book' That might clear up any connection the Greens had with the orphanage, but I can't find it on the main Bolton Archives site. Presumably it is a separate holding to the registers you tracked down? The second question is how the girls were personally known to Mrs Green. The most obvious route is by membership of the same church, chapel or perhaps society. That information might be in an obituary of either Martha Green or her husband. Records of that organisation might include mention of the family. I wonder too if it is worth checking the workhouse records to see if the children were taken there in the first instance. Judy :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It might be that the equivalent of the modern social services were called in to see whether the family would be able to manage after the loss of the parents - the Guardians? It could be that they stepped in and agreed to take to children into care or my Grandmother could have requested assistance. There was an infant that seemed to stay at home - I think he was three when his mother died. He was still at home in the 1891 census. As far as I know there were no relatives in Lancashire, the maternal Grandmother was in Masham and I think one child stayed with her (she was there in 1881, 1891 & 1901). The paternal Grandfather died in Middlesbrough workhouse in 1889. Of course I have no way of knowing what happened between the censuses. I might have a look at the Chadwick Orphanage minute & visitors' books next time that I am in Bolton It looks as it continues as a charity THE CHADWICK EDUCATIONAL FOUNDATION "TO APPLY SUCH YEARLY SUM AS THEY THINK FIT IN PROVIDING FOR ANY SCHOOL IN THE AREA CONSISTING OF THE BOROUGH OF BOLTON AND SUCH PARTS OF THE FORMER URBAN DISTRICT OF TURTON AS ARE NOT COMPRISED IN THE SAID BOROUGH SUCH SPECIAL BENEFITS OF A KIND NOT NORMALLY PROVIDED BY THE LOCAL EDUCATION AUTHORITY AS MAY FROM TIME TO TIME BE AGREED UPON BETWEEN THE EDUCATIONAL TRUSTEES, THE MANAGERS OR GOVERNORS OF THE SCHOOL CONCERNED AND THE LOCAL EDUCATION AUTHORITY.THE TRUSTEES SHALL AWARD TO BENEFICIARIES: SCHOLARSHIPS AND GRANTS FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO PREPARE FOR EMPLOYMENT, TRAVEL ALLOWANCES TO PROMOTE FURTHER EDUCATION, THE PROVISION OF SPORTS FACILITIES AND COACHING, FINANCIAL HELP TO STUDY MUSIC OR OTHER ARTS AND SHALL OTHERWISE PROMOTE THE EDUCATION OF BENEFICIARIES, HAVING REGARD TO THE PRINCIPLES OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND." Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of judy olsen > Sent: 10 February 2008 14:36 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Chadwick's Orphanage > > According to the National Register of Archives, Bolton > Archives has one item for the orphanage; > > '1875-1930: minute book and visitors book' > > That might clear up any connection the Greens had with the > orphanage, but I can't find it on the main Bolton Archives > site. Presumably it is a separate holding to the registers > you tracked down? > > The second question is how the girls were personally known to > Mrs Green. The most obvious route is by membership of the > same church, chapel or perhaps society. That information > might be in an obituary of either Martha Green or her > husband. Records of that organisation might include mention > of the family. > > I wonder too if it is worth checking the workhouse records to > see if the children were taken there in the first instance. >

They have been discussing TB hospitals on the Cheshire list and someone posted this. It turns out it is from wiki. But it fits with something I remember about Edinburgh charitable institutions. The implication is that recommending inmates was a perk that came with making a donation or serving on the board. Judy " > > The hospital was a charity and >> Admittance was to be by the then customary method of >> recommendation by >> the Governors and subscribers. >> Funding >> In common with other hospitals at the time, the hospital was to be >> financed entirely from charitable donations, legacies and fund >> raising. Philip Rose, the founder, travelled the country to explain >> the aims of the hospital, setting up 14 provincial associations, 157 >> churches promised to preach special sermons as a means of fund >> raising. The famous singer, Jenny Lind also gave concerts, including >> one at Her Majesty's Theatre in July 1848, which raised £1,606. >> Besides Philip Rose, the early supporters included William Augustus >> Guy, Charles Dickens, and Queen Victoria, who became a patron, >> with an >> annual subscription of £10. > > So people would be recommended and paid for by charitable funds. > > "

Hello everyone, I have received two photos from David Allan concerning his gt.gt. uncle Jehu Hughson. The first photo (ref: 7B) which I would date as being early 20th century, shows four workmen repairing the pavement in Bark Street. The Loan Company at 76-78 Bark Street can clearly be seen in the background. This loan company, owned by Wm. Greenwood, appears in Kelly's 1905 Trade Directory, but is not in the 1895. I would say that this photo was taken by a professional photographer owing to its clarity and composition (one of James Winstanley's, Bolton's Outdoor Photographer, perhaps). If anyone can name the other workmen in the photo please let the list know. Please click on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery2.htm to view web page. Valerie

According to the National Register of Archives, Bolton Archives has one item for the orphanage; '1875-1930: minute book and visitors book' That might clear up any connection the Greens had with the orphanage, but I can't find it on the main Bolton Archives site. Presumably it is a separate holding to the registers you tracked down? The second question is how the girls were personally known to Mrs Green. The most obvious route is by membership of the same church, chapel or perhaps society. That information might be in an obituary of either Martha Green or her husband. Records of that organisation might include mention of the family. I wonder too if it is worth checking the workhouse records to see if the children were taken there in the first instance. Judy

Thats the one iam looking for, thankyou again for your kindness . I since found an entry of someone who is related to her parents lines The person hasnt listed HARRIET because its not on the 81 census,but the person obviously hasnt seen the 71.the message on rootsweb was 2001 and i tried the email but no response as yet ,however it did give lots of details etc about going from liverpool to boston in 1889 on the same passage ,SSMichigan as all the people i. have.also details from parents marriage cert .what a find .thanks to google.regards JOHN /LINDA On 2/10/08, Valerie lirakis <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello John, > > I have found the following birth entry: > December quarter, 1865, Harriet Womack, Rotherham, Yorks. > > Valerie > > > On 10/02/2008, L Morriss <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi need some help please. > > On marriage cert 8th may 1886 catholic chapel pilkington street Bolton > > THOMAS BRETT married HARRIET WOMACK both were 20 years .HARRIET was > paper > > bag examiner > > HARRIETS father ELIJAH WOMACK was cabinet maker. > > Witness to marriage was AGNES WOMACK. > > Cant find HARRIET birth circa 1866 ,only can find one ELIJAH > cabinetmaker > > thats in Yorkshire.can anyone find anything differant,or indeed Harriets > > birth,thankyou > > > > JOHN MORRISS > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > > Other people can learn from them! > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello John, I have found the following birth entry: December quarter, 1865, Harriet Womack, Rotherham, Yorks. Valerie On 10/02/2008, L Morriss <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi need some help please. > On marriage cert 8th may 1886 catholic chapel pilkington street Bolton > THOMAS BRETT married HARRIET WOMACK both were 20 years .HARRIET was paper > bag examiner > HARRIETS father ELIJAH WOMACK was cabinet maker. > Witness to marriage was AGNES WOMACK. > Cant find HARRIET birth circa 1866 ,only can find one ELIJAH cabinetmaker > thats in Yorkshire.can anyone find anything differant,or indeed Harriets > birth,thankyou > > JOHN MORRISS > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Martin I would be very interested to find out where you got this information from as my Grandmother was also in Chadwick's but at a later day. Cheers Tina Sydney Australia

Hi need some help please. On marriage cert 8th may 1886 catholic chapel pilkington street Bolton THOMAS BRETT married HARRIET WOMACK both were 20 years .HARRIET was paper bag examiner HARRIETS father ELIJAH WOMACK was cabinet maker. Witness to marriage was AGNES WOMACK. Cant find HARRIET birth circa 1866 ,only can find one ELIJAH cabinetmaker thats in Yorkshire.can anyone find anything differant,or indeed Harriets birth,thankyou JOHN MORRISS

Graham, many thanks. Mary ____________________________________ From: [email protected] Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 09/02/2008 18:36:38 GMT Standard Time Subj: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ZIPPORAH LEE b 1896 Bolton I have been away for a few days so could not respond earlier. I am co-ordinating the Bolton Marriages submissions to Lancs BMD and I can state that we have no Zipporah Lee married between 1816 and 1834. Though we do have a Rogerson, a Maycroft, a Yates and a Chadwick. Up to 1895 has been submitted to the Lancs BMD site, thereafter is subject to revision of errors and omissions prior to submission, so all hope is not lost.. -- Graham :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It was just that they seem to have been quite a wealthy family, her husband had a couple of positions like that but probably died at the end of the 1870s. I haven't got any directories covering the 1880s and she died in 1890 so no where to check. If they were supporters of a charity or something then she could have taken over his position - money counts! Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of judy olsen > Sent: 10 February 2008 00:54 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Chadwick's Orphanage > > You don't mean a formal role do you? I dont think I have > every seen a woman listed in a public office like that at > that date. But well to do women were very active in > charities and you might find Mrs Green listed as an office > bearer. The nature of the charity might in turn give you more > clues about the family. > > Judy

You don't mean a formal role do you? I dont think I have every seen a woman listed in a public office like that at that date. But well to do women were very active in charities and you might find Mrs Green listed as an office bearer. The nature of the charity might in turn give you more clues about the family. Judy On 9 Feb 2008, at 17:25, Martin Briscoe wrote: > Thanks > > Her husband, John GREEN, was a magistrate in 1871 and a Poor Law > Guardian in > 1876 so it seems quite likely that his widow took on a similar role > after > his death. > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

I have copied out the names on the two pages just in case anyone recognises any of these. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pt0gADZk5oU0nzhiOY_cRFg Date of Admission Name of Child Age Address Name of Next of Kin or Person recommending the Child Address 27 Sep 1887 Esther Heald 11 Fishpool The Guardians Fishpool 17 Apr 1888 Florence Tomlinson 7 Fishpool The Guardians Fishpool 19 Apr 1888 Emma Rathbone 3 8 Back Ormrod Street Rev L Lowe Trinity Vicarage 19 Jul 1888 Alice Ann Pendlebury 9 25 Bridgeman Place Rev L Lowe Trinity Vicarage 16 Aug 1888 Martha Sully 6 23 Holden Street Rev J G Doman St Marks Vicarage 15 Nov 1888 Kate Ellen Pounder 9 50 Lyon Street Mrs Green Mayfield, Great Lever 20 Dec 1888 Olive Agnes Pounder 6 50 Lyon Street Mrs Green Mayfield, Great Lever 20 Dec 1888 Annie Hird 10 William Street, Tong Rev E Richards Parish Church, Bolton 20 Dec 1888 Betsy Hird 6 William Street, Tong Rev E Richards Parish Church, Bolton 16 May 1889 Sarah Ann Clegg 11 32 Crown Street, Bolton Rev J W Lundy Vicar of Emmanuel Name of Child Date of Removal Cause Where to Name of Person Receiving Orphamn Address Remarks Esther Heald Nov 1891 Into Service Plodder Lane Mrs Fletcher 301 Plodder Lane, Great Lever Florence Tomlinson 7 Dec 1896 Into Service Blackburn Mrs Bullough Lancaster Place, Blackburn Married 1911 Emma Rathbone 1 Jul 1909 Into Service Westhoughton Mrs Berry Manchester Road, Westhoughton Married Alice Ann Pendlebury Dec 1896 Into Service The Orphanage The Matron Haulgh Married Martha Sully 4 Dec 1897 Delicate Portslaid, Sussex Mrs White (Aunt) 6 Crown Street, Portslaid Died 1899 Kate Ellen Pounder 21 Feb 1896 Taken out by Sister Bolton Miss Lucy Pounder Sylvester Street, Bolton Married 1905 Olive Agnes Pounder 31 Oct 1900 Into Service Lower Darwen Mrs James Lower Darwen Married Annie Hird 9 May 1889 Illness Bolton Infirmary S. Death Betsy Hird Jul 1899 Into Service Blackburn Road Mrs Walsh Blackburn Road Sarah Ann Clegg 10 Sep 1894 Into Service Bolton Mrs Jas. Clegg 61 Chorley Old Road 9 Sep 1894 Into Service Blackburn Mrs Bullough Blackburn Images at http://tinyurl.com/22xyzk Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Me too. I would like more information about the Bullough family from anywhere around Bolton. Specifically I'm interested in Sally Bullough who had a child Ellen, maybe Helen as Ellen named her child Helen. Sally's child was born c. 1850. All I know about the Bullough family is how to pronounce the name. :-) Regards, Joyce Stevens -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of C Port Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Chadwick's Orphanage Hi Martin I would be very interested to find out where you got this information from as my Grandmother was also in Chadwick's but at a later day. Cheers Tina Sydney Australia :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been away for a few days so could not respond earlier. I am co-ordinating the Bolton Marriages submissions to Lancs BMD and I can state that we have no Zipporah Lee married between 1816 and 1834. Though we do have a Rogerson, a Maycroft, a Yates and a Chadwick. Up to 1895 has been submitted to the Lancs BMD site, thereafter is subject to revision of errors and omissions prior to submission, so all hope is not lost.. -- Graham

Thanks Her husband, John GREEN, was a magistrate in 1871 and a Poor Law Guardian in 1876 so it seems quite likely that his widow took on a similar role after his death. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of judy olsen > Sent: 09 February 2008 14:14 > To: [email protected] > Cc: Bolton List > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Chadwick's Orphanage > > In case you can't find her Martha Green is living at Mayfield in the > 1881 census. A 64 yr old annuitant with a visitor and a servant. > >

In case you can't find her Martha Green is living at Mayfield in the 1881 census. A 64 yr old annuitant with a visitor and a servant. Judy On 9 Feb 2008, at 13:54, Martin Briscoe wrote: > I asked here last year about how to get information on children at > Chadwick's Orphanage. > > I found from Bolton Archives that an accountant holds the records > on behalf > of the trustees. > > I received the information that I requested today, photocopies of > the two > pages in the register. > > It has one column for the "Name of Next of Kin or Person > recommending the > Child". Both have a Mrs Green of Mayfield, Great Lever. I wonder > if anyone > recognises this name? All the others on the page have either a > Reverend or > The Guardians of Fishpool. As far as I am aware there were no > relatives in > the Bolton area, my Grandmother was 17 when her parents died and > there were > eight children including herself. > > I will copy out the rest of the two pages later as someone else > might find > the information useful. > > The images are here > > http://tinyurl.com/22xyzk > > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I asked here last year about how to get information on children at Chadwick's Orphanage. I found from Bolton Archives that an accountant holds the records on behalf of the trustees. I received the information that I requested today, photocopies of the two pages in the register. It has one column for the "Name of Next of Kin or Person recommending the Child". Both have a Mrs Green of Mayfield, Great Lever. I wonder if anyone recognises this name? All the others on the page have either a Reverend or The Guardians of Fishpool. As far as I am aware there were no relatives in the Bolton area, my Grandmother was 17 when her parents died and there were eight children including herself. I will copy out the rest of the two pages later as someone else might find the information useful. The images are here http://tinyurl.com/22xyzk Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS