I'm new to this list. I actually found it by accident. Maybe someone could help me with my problem. I was at the History Center in Bolton last August. I found my gr. gr. grandparents - George & Elizabeth (Betty) Howarth Howarth (yes her surname was also Howarth) in a marriage record book for February 1831, Deane, Bolton. I'm not very familiar with Bolton so I apologize greatly. In this book all of the handwriting was the same so I'm assuming that someone copied it from Parish Records. I'm trying to find who George and Betty's parents were. I think that George b. 1804 parents were George Howarth and Ann Acton. I'm at a loss for Betty who was b. 1798 or 1799. It didn't state in this book where or what church that they were married. Actually no info was given for anyone and that's the reason that I think someone copied it from parish records. Would there be any way that I could find this information? George & Betty Howarth immigrated to the U.S. in 1852 with 6 children. Thanking you in advance. I'm keeping my fingers crossed?? Janice Jayne-St.Gemme USA Colorado **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Hi All Can anyone expand on the word Nurse in the 1841 census What services was it likely to cover, and was it a common occupation? The person in question was an Elizabeth Molyneux, aged40, head of household, living with 4 of her children aged between 17 and 4 All opinions welcome Regards Robert From the Roaring Forties

Hi Robert, I too have come across the occupation of "nurse" in my family. In quite a few cases they are children themselves but not directly related to the family so I assume they are "mother's helpers." I also have seen a photo circa 1915 depicting mom, and two or three children. The people are named as family members and the girl who appears about twelve years old is named as the nurse. Hope this helps. Pat

Hi Charlotte, Many thanks for helping out - my problem is now solved thanks to your records! I have a marriage certificate from 1847 for my gt-gt-grandfather Joseph Phethean and his second wife who was reputed to be named Mary Pilling before she married. However, she had used the name "Phillian" as her surname rather than "Pilling" on the marriage certificate and no father's name is recorded. The plot thickens with a copy of a letter that I have been sent from a Bolton resident dated 1954 which suggested Mary was the illegitimate daughter of a liaison between one Jas Longworth, farmer, of Green Fold and a domestic servant working at the farm! I can now confirm that Mary Pilling is present on the 1841 census living with the Longworth family as a servant herself so there is certainly a connection. As to the illegitimacy claim I guess I will never know! Best wishes, Stuart _____________________________________ Stuart Phethean Hampshire, UK Family web Pages: <http://www.phethean.co.uk> http://www.phethean.co.uk _____________________________________

Charlotte, That would be useful, otherwise if you could give me the GRO Piece numbers for Green Fold I could look them up on Ancestry. Regards, Stuart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CERyan Sent: 17 May 2008 18:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Green Fold Farnworth 1841 Hi Stuart I still have my transcriptions from the 1841 census, including Farnworth which has all the Green Fold families of the time - do you want a copy. Best wishes Charlotte :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1448 - Release Date: 5/16/2008 7:42 PM

Hi Stuart I still have my transcriptions from the 1841 census, including Farnworth which has all the Green Fold families of the time - do you want a copy. Best wishes Charlotte

Could anyone out there help me please? I am trying to find out the inhabitants of Green Fold, Farnworth (Deane?) in 1847. Does anyone have any indication of the which Enumeration District it would be on in the 1841 census? Regards, Stuart _____________________________________ Stuart Phethean Hampshire, UK Family web Pages: http://www.phethean.co.uk _____________________________________

Back in 2006 Anne found this Marsh family at 48 Weston Street. My John Marsh was at 85 Weston St. in 1861. I wanted to revisit this but I can't find the entry on any census. 1851 48 Weston st. Richard Marsh, head 58 Rachel, wife 56 Ellen, dau. 36 John son 24 David son 21 Eliza dau. 19 Elizabeth dau. 15 Between 11 and 12 Weston Street was an Alice Marsh, Head, unmarried 62 born Westhoughton. Could someone see if they can find this entry again for me? Many thanks, Val Chadwick

Hello Lynne, got the events thanks, noticed that the first one was dated 27th Sept 2009 is this right ? all the following ones from May are they 2008 ? Best regards, Margaret Calderbank. ( BDFHS) ======= At 2008-05-16, 19:20:15 you wrote: ======= >A mid-month update . . . . > > > >Through to 27 September 2009 >MERSEYSIDE MARITIME MUSEUM Magical History Tour, a journey of discovery >through 800 years of Liverpool history. Albert Dock, Liverpool L3 4AQ, >Merseyside. http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/ > >Through to 31 August >10 am to 5 pm - Exhibit: ANCOATS: MANCHESTER'S LITTLE ITALY, Museum of >Science & Industry, Liverpool Road, Castlefield, Manchester M3 4FP. >http://www.mosi.org.uk/whats-on/ancoats-manchester's-little-italy-(1) > > >=====MAY===== > >15 May -17 May >Thursday - 2 pm to 9 pm, Friday - 10 am to 9 pm, Saturday - 9 am to 4 pm >FAMILY SEARCH ON THE ROAD, LDS Chapel, Warren Drive, Blackpool FY5 3TG. >Bring your completed Family History Work Sheet with you. >http://www.lds.org.uk/family_search_on_the_road.php > >24 May >11 am to 5 pm - IMPERIAL WAR MUSEUM NORTH Family Fun Day, The Quays, >Trafford Wharf, Trafford Park, Manchester M17 1TZ. >http://north.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.5245 > > >=====JUNE===== > >2 June -5 June >Thursday - 2 pm to 9 pm, Friday - 10 am to 9 pm, Saturday - 9 am to 4 pm >FAMILY SEARCH ON THE ROAD, LDS Chapel, Temple Way, Hartwood Green, >Chorley, Lancashire PR6 7EQ. Bring your completed Family History Work >Sheet with you. http://www.lds.org.uk/family_search_on_the_road.php > >7 June >GRO OPEN DAYS 2008, Smedley Hydro, Trafalgar Road, Southport, PR8 2HH. >Places must be booked well in advance. Contact Certificate Services >Contact Centre, Tel: 0151 471 4508 or 0151 471 4530. >http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/news/gro-open-days-2008.asp > >14 June >GRO OPEN DAYS 2008, Smedley Hydro, Trafalgar Road, Southport, PR8 2HH. >Places must be booked well in advance. Contact Certificate Services >Contact Centre, Tel: 0151 471 4508 or 0151 471 4530. >http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/news/gro-open-days-2008.asp > >21 June >10:30 am to 4.30 pm - CHORLEY BRANCH, LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & >HERALDRY SOCIETY, "Meet Our Experts." Information desks giving help >with Beginning Family History, Census Data, Civil Registration, the >Internet, Manorial Records, Wills, Roman Catholic Records, Heraldry, >Occupations, Military Research and much more. Chorley Parish Church of >St. Laurence, Union Street, Chorley. >http://www.lancashire-fhhs.org.uk/lancs/events/index.htm > > >28 June >10 am to 4:30 pm - YORKSHIRE FAMILY HISTORY FAIR, The Knavesmire >Exhibition Centre, The Racecourse, York. >http://www.yorkshirefamilyhistoryfair.com/ > > >=====FUTURE EVENTS===== > >3 July -5 July >Thursday - 2 pm to 9 pm, Friday - 10 am to 9 pm, Saturday - 9 am to 4 pm >FAMILY SEARCH ON THE ROAD, Liverpool Central Library, Picton Reading >Room, William Brown Street, Liverpool L3 8EW. Bring your completed Family >History Work Sheet with you. http://www.lds.org.uk/family_search_on_the_road.php > > >2 August >11 am to 4:30 pm - Chorley Branch, LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & HERALDRY >SOCIETY, 4th Annual "Celebration of Family History," Astley Hall, >Chorley, PR7 1NP. www.lfhhs.org.uk/chorley > > > > > > > > >:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Calderbanks [email protected] 2008-05-17

Calderbanks wrote: >Hello Lynne, > >got the events thanks, noticed that the first one was dated 27th Sept 2009 is this right ? >all the following ones from May are they 2008 ? > > > Hi Margaret Yes, that's right. The first two are ongoing exhibits and the Merseyside Maritime Museum one doesn't end until September of 2009. Those dated May and later are events for this year. Sorry if that was confusing! Best wishes, Lynne >Best regards, Margaret Calderbank. ( BDFHS) > >======= At 2008-05-16, 19:20:15 you wrote: ======= > > > >>A mid-month update . . . . >> >> >> >>Through to 27 September 2009 >>MERSEYSIDE MARITIME MUSEUM Magical History Tour, a journey of discovery >>through 800 years of Liverpool history. Albert Dock, Liverpool L3 4AQ, >>Merseyside. http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/ >> >>Through to 31 August >>10 am to 5 pm - Exhibit: ANCOATS: MANCHESTER'S LITTLE ITALY, Museum of >>Science & Industry, Liverpool Road, Castlefield, Manchester M3 4FP. >>http://www.mosi.org.uk/whats-on/ancoats-manchester's-little-italy-(1) <snip> >> > >

A mid-month update . . . . Through to 27 September 2009 MERSEYSIDE MARITIME MUSEUM Magical History Tour, a journey of discovery through 800 years of Liverpool history. Albert Dock, Liverpool L3 4AQ, Merseyside. http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/ Through to 31 August 10 am to 5 pm - Exhibit: ANCOATS: MANCHESTER'S LITTLE ITALY, Museum of Science & Industry, Liverpool Road, Castlefield, Manchester M3 4FP. http://www.mosi.org.uk/whats-on/ancoats-manchester's-little-italy-(1) =====MAY===== 15 May -17 May Thursday - 2 pm to 9 pm, Friday - 10 am to 9 pm, Saturday - 9 am to 4 pm FAMILY SEARCH ON THE ROAD, LDS Chapel, Warren Drive, Blackpool FY5 3TG. Bring your completed Family History Work Sheet with you. http://www.lds.org.uk/family_search_on_the_road.php 24 May 11 am to 5 pm - IMPERIAL WAR MUSEUM NORTH Family Fun Day, The Quays, Trafford Wharf, Trafford Park, Manchester M17 1TZ. http://north.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.5245 =====JUNE===== 2 June -5 June Thursday - 2 pm to 9 pm, Friday - 10 am to 9 pm, Saturday - 9 am to 4 pm FAMILY SEARCH ON THE ROAD, LDS Chapel, Temple Way, Hartwood Green, Chorley, Lancashire PR6 7EQ. Bring your completed Family History Work Sheet with you. http://www.lds.org.uk/family_search_on_the_road.php 7 June GRO OPEN DAYS 2008, Smedley Hydro, Trafalgar Road, Southport, PR8 2HH. Places must be booked well in advance. Contact Certificate Services Contact Centre, Tel: 0151 471 4508 or 0151 471 4530. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/news/gro-open-days-2008.asp 14 June GRO OPEN DAYS 2008, Smedley Hydro, Trafalgar Road, Southport, PR8 2HH. Places must be booked well in advance. Contact Certificate Services Contact Centre, Tel: 0151 471 4508 or 0151 471 4530. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/news/gro-open-days-2008.asp 21 June 10:30 am to 4.30 pm - CHORLEY BRANCH, LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & HERALDRY SOCIETY, "Meet Our Experts." Information desks giving help with Beginning Family History, Census Data, Civil Registration, the Internet, Manorial Records, Wills, Roman Catholic Records, Heraldry, Occupations, Military Research and much more. Chorley Parish Church of St. Laurence, Union Street, Chorley. http://www.lancashire-fhhs.org.uk/lancs/events/index.htm 28 June 10 am to 4:30 pm - YORKSHIRE FAMILY HISTORY FAIR, The Knavesmire Exhibition Centre, The Racecourse, York. http://www.yorkshirefamilyhistoryfair.com/ =====FUTURE EVENTS===== 3 July -5 July Thursday - 2 pm to 9 pm, Friday - 10 am to 9 pm, Saturday - 9 am to 4 pm FAMILY SEARCH ON THE ROAD, Liverpool Central Library, Picton Reading Room, William Brown Street, Liverpool L3 8EW. Bring your completed Family History Work Sheet with you. http://www.lds.org.uk/family_search_on_the_road.php 2 August 11 am to 4:30 pm - Chorley Branch, LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & HERALDRY SOCIETY, 4th Annual "Celebration of Family History," Astley Hall, Chorley, PR7 1NP. www.lfhhs.org.uk/chorley

If you click on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery2.htm and scroll down to bottom of page you will see images of the pub and its sign in Doffcocker. Valerie 2008/5/15 Martin Briscoe <[email protected]>: > > I was just looking something up on GOOGLE BOOKS and came across this fully > downloadable book > > > A Glossary of North Country Words, in Use: With Their Etymology, and ... > By John Trotter Brockett > > Published 1829 > E. Charnley > > > > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was just looking something up on GOOGLE BOOKS and came across this fully downloadable book A Glossary of North Country Words, in Use: With Their Etymology, and ... By John Trotter Brockett Published 1829 E. Charnley COCKERS, or COGGERS, properly half-boots made of untanned leather, or other stiff materials, and strapped under the shoe; but old stockings without feet, used as gaiters by hedgers and ploughmen, are often so called. Cockers occurs in Bishop Hall's Satires. In Lancashire the word is often used for stockings. There is a small place not far from Bolton, called Doff-Cocker, where, my friend, Mr. Turner, informs me, it used to be the fashion for the country people who came from church or market to pull off their stockings and walk barefoot home. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Hello Valerie thanks for the e mail, I am still the chairperson and I am enjoying it so far, membership has increased so I am doing something right ha ha .... we are now compiling a lot of data for CD's this is projects that have been done by the Society since 1982 that were put on fiche, we have now scanned them and are hoping later this year to present them on cd... Colin and I are busy transcibing marriages from Merehall for Lancashire BMD we have been doing this for a year now and we are up to 1927 ( from 1837) not bad hey ? Nice to hear from you again, Best regards, ======= At 2008-05-13, 17:52:21 you wrote: ======= >Hi Margaret, > >Can you tell me if it is possible to obtain a copy of Allisons Directory? > >Hope all is well with you, and that you are enjoying your role as Chairman >of Bolton FHS. > >Cheers, >Valerie > >:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Calderbanks [email protected] 2008-05-14

Hello Valerie lirakis, glad you liked the street directory... well its Allison's Directory of street,roads and terraces of Bolton. cost. 3/- in 1958 printed by George Henry & Co. Trinity street,Bolton... I doubt if it is still in production pity really its like a bible for old street etc. it was handed down by my husbands family who had a coal business... its only a paper back book measuring 6" x 4" but still in good condition ! also in this book - Old picture houses, churches, chapels, missions, other churches, car parks, bus routes plus bus numbers, theatres and dance halls.... Best regards, Margaret & Colin ======= At 2008-05-13, 17:52:21 you wrote: ======= >Hi Margaret, > >Can you tell me if it is possible to obtain a copy of Allisons Directory? > >Hope all is well with you, and that you are enjoying your role as Chairman >of Bolton FHS. > >Cheers, >Valerie > >:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Calderbanks [email protected] 2008-05-14

Hi Margaret, Can you tell me if it is possible to obtain a copy of Allisons Directory? Hope all is well with you, and that you are enjoying your role as Chairman of Bolton FHS. Cheers, Valerie

Just noticed that this is available for download on GOOGLE BOOKS Reasons in favour of sir Robert Peel's bill, for ameliorating the condition employed in Cotton Factories 1819 It included the evidence of James Watkins, a Magistrate of Bolton http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0YIIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA11&dq=cotton+throstle+d ate:0-1830&lr=&num=50&as_brr=1 Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Learn something every day. I thought his Peelian Reform was about creating the "bobbies" only with their honest and good police services. Joyce Stevens -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:12 AM To: Bolton List Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Reasons in favour of sir Robert Peel's bill,for ameliorating the condition...... Just noticed that this is available for download on GOOGLE BOOKS Reasons in favour of sir Robert Peel's bill, for ameliorating the condition employed in Cotton Factories 1819 It included the evidence of James Watkins, a Magistrate of Bolton http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0YIIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA11&dq=cotton+throstle+d ate:0-1830&lr=&num=50&as_brr=1 Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, I've added C, D and E surnames to the site now (from the Roll of warrant officers, non-commissioned officers and men in the 2/6th Battalion of the Liverpool Rifles "The Kings") and I've added 4 photographs. Please don't forget to let me know if you recognise a relative in the photos so that I can add their name to the image! The site is very basic (I'm new to the whole web building thing) so please let me know if you spot any errors or have any troubles with it, I'd love to hear from anyone who might have anything to add to the site (on the 2/6th Battalion) Thank you, Tamara (Australia). URL: http://www.freewebs.com/liverpoolkings

Hi Valerie Thank you so much for that. I will certainly do that. Regards Margaret Valerie lirakis <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Margaret, Bolton Archives might be able to help, as there would probably be an obituary in the local newspaper, which would give details of his life and service as alderman. E-mail address [email protected] Give them as much information as you can, including his date of death if you have it. Valerie 2008/5/6 Margaret Booth : > I understand from my Great Aunt that her husband was an Alderman of > Bolton. His name was Fred Pardon and he died in 1952. I believe he ran > his own building company. > > I can anyone inform what being an alderman entailed and also where I can > find out when he was an Alderman. > > I have enquired of the Mayor's office at Bolton Council but all they have > been able to provide me with is a list of former Mayors of Bolton. > > Regards > > Margaret Booth > > > --------------------------------- > Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > A Smarter Email. > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email.