Hi all With regards the children of Job I wonder how these names and others became changed over the centuries I had a relative who in the early 1860's was named Edikiah The real source of this name could be from various origins Robert From the roaring Forties PS Such unusual names are a boon when trying to trace ancestors

I am searching for my lost ancestor. His name was Benjamin Binks. He was the son of Robert and Jane Binks. He was born 19 April 1801, Bolton, and Christened 30 Jan 1803 at St. Peter’s in Bolton. His siblings were: William, (married Ellen Lyon, Nancy Johnson, Mary Kendall); Robert, (married Margaret Talbot); Reuben, (married Alice Clegg); John, (married Ann Taylor); Jane, (married Thomas Mercer). There was another sibling, Benjamin Binks, christened 15 Jul 1798 Saint Mary’s in Eccles, - he died 18 Jul 1798, Eccles. Benjamin married Hannah (unknown) in about 1825. They had a daughter, Elizabeth (Christened 18 Jun 1826 St George’s in Bolton). Hannah passed away. According to information from his daughter’s christening, he was an engineer. Benjamin married Elizabeth Ashton 15 Feb 1830, Deane by Bolton Parish. They had 3 sons. John Ashton Binks (born: 19 April 1830, Bolton); Richard (born: Aug 1831, Bolton- died: 1832, buried 9 Mar 1932, St Peter’s, Bolton); Joseph (born: Oct 1834, Bolton- died: 1835, buried: 7 Jun 1835, St. Peter’s, Bolton). Elizabeth Ashton Binks married John Shuttleworth 21 Feb 1841, Ainsworth Christ Church, Bury. The marriage certificate states she was a spinster. I don’t know what happened to Benjamin after 1834-1835. Any information or advice will be appreciated. Abby Rowett

Interesting to note Job named his first child JEMIMA; second child KEZIA; third child KERENHAPPUCH Such interesting things we learn from genealogy lists !! Barb, Ontario, Canada.

I've checked the 1850 census for Allegany county Maryland for George & Elizabeth Howarth. No listing anywhere in the U.S. I have reason to think that Georges' parents were George Howarth and Ann Acton Howarth. A lot of surnames for Acton in Maryland. Anybody on this list connected to the Acton families. I think it was James who told me about the baptism of Betty from Deane for 1797. Did you find that on FamilySeach.net? Thank you for looking. Janice **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Aha, so it's a Bible name? I came acrossed this name here on the other side of the big pond. I thought "this has got to be a typo"..nope, other's in the same family carried that name too. Val in Vermont USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hartley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] KERENHAPPUCH HOWARTH > In message <[email protected]>, Pam Clarke > <[email protected]> writes >>I am sure I would have come across this name during the past 30 or 40 >>years I have been interested in the history of Westhoughton. Not only >>this, but I was born Pamela HOWARTH and I haven't come across this name >>whilst doing my own family history. Please keep a look out on >>www.lan-opc.org.uk and check out all the Parishes - I look after the >>Westhoughton Parish and post Baptisms, Marriages and >>Burials as I get to do them. > > She's in the FreeBMD index as > > Kerenhappach Howarth, Oct-Dec 1843, Bolton, Vol 21 p108. > > The family are in Sharples in the 1841 census. > > (I've never met the name anywhere before, but apparently it's biblical, > one of the daughters of Job.) > > -- > David Hartley > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In message <[email protected]>, Pam Clarke <[email protected]> writes >I am sure I would have come across this name during the past 30 or 40 >years I have been interested in the history of Westhoughton. Not only >this, but I was born Pamela HOWARTH and I haven't come across this name >whilst doing my own family history. Please keep a look out on >www.lan-opc.org.uk and check out all the Parishes - I look after the >Westhoughton Parish and post Baptisms, Marriages and >Burials as I get to do them. She's in the FreeBMD index as Kerenhappach Howarth, Oct-Dec 1843, Bolton, Vol 21 p108. The family are in Sharples in the 1841 census. (I've never met the name anywhere before, but apparently it's biblical, one of the daughters of Job.) -- David Hartley

Hi Janice, Found the baptism of Betty Howarth 1797 at Deane church Bolton , Parents Edward and Ann Howarth. It would seem that this family were residents of Westhoughton, Chew Moor is a district of the town which lies about 4 miles west of Deane. The Deane church is the oldest original place of worship in Bolton dating back to the 15th century. I'll surf the church registers to see if Edward was also baptised there [email protected] wrote: James: If you are talking about Elizabeth and George's siblings - I don't know them. I've eliminated Margaret & Henry Howarth for the parents of Betty. Talked to a lady from Mass. and she ruled that family out. George & Elizabeth Howarth's children were: George b. 1804 was a miner in England. George Howarth b. 1831 in England (my gr. grandfather) James Howarth b. 1832 England Jammia Howarth b. 1835 (haven't found a birth record yet) Kezia Howarth b. 1837 Chew Moor Henry Howarth b. 1841 England (too many Henry born that year) Kerenhappuch Howarth b. 1843 Westhoughton Also I've check the 1851 census and cannot find them. George Jr. answered a question in his civil war papers that said he came to the U.S. in June 1852. He could have been mistaken. I haven't able to find the ship or names on a list for the year of 1852. Thanks to everyone that has tried to help me. These Howarth's have been confusing enough in the U.S. let alone England. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David Hartley wrote: > >She's in the FreeBMD index as > >Kerenhappach Howarth, Oct-Dec 1843, Bolton, Vol 21 p108. > >The family are in Sharples in the 1841 census. > >(I've never met the name anywhere before, but apparently it's biblical, >one of the daughters of Job.) > > Hi Pam and David, It's rare, I think, but I've got one, as found on Lancashire OPC -- > Baptisms: 25 Nov 1781 St Andrews, Leyland, Lancashire, England > Kerenhappuch Buskey - daughter of Francis Buskey & Sarah > Abode: Leyland > Register: Baptisms 1774 - 1795, Page 33, Entry 17 > Source: LDS Film 93951 > > Marriage: 9 Apr 1804 St Andrew, Leyland, Lancashire, England > James Calvert - (X), Weaver of Leyland > Karen-Happuck Buskey - (X), Spinster of Leyland > Witness: William Rosbottom; William Whittle > Married by Banns by: Thomas Baldwin Vicar > Register: Marriages 1793 - 1812, Page 183, Entry 732 > Source: LDS Film 93952 > There's a fellow RootsWeb subscriber and list admin that uses Kerenhappuch or a variation of that as her e-mail address. I wasn't familiar with the name when I first came across it in the IGI. When I saw someone using it in their e-mail address, I thought/hoped there was a connection to my own Kerenhappach. No such luck, but she did share with me the origin of the name. Best wishes, Lynne

Janice There is one obvious reason why you can't find George in the 1851 census. As a 20 years old male it is quite possible that he was in the army at that time. Unfortunately the British Army, if abroad, is not included in the census returns until 1911. The records of those people that took a pension from the army are available in either of two sets of records at the National Archives in Kew. Either WO96 or WO97. For the period that you are interested in these are stored by regiment and without it it is a longer hard slog through paper records. The good news is that the announcement by the LDS and FindMyPast last week means that both sets will eventually be online however it is a three year project. Regards John Hanson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 20 May 2008 19:58 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] HOWARTH Family James: If you are talking about Elizabeth and George's siblings - I don't know them. I've eliminated Margaret & Henry Howarth for the parents of Betty. Talked to a lady from Mass. and she ruled that family out. George & Elizabeth Howarth's children were: George b. 1804 was a miner in England. George Howarth b. 1831 in England (my gr. grandfather) James Howarth b. 1832 England Jammia Howarth b. 1835 (haven't found a birth record yet) Kezia Howarth b. 1837 Chew Moor Henry Howarth b. 1841 England (too many Henry born that year) Kerenhappuch Howarth b. 1843 Westhoughton Also I've check the 1851 census and cannot find them. George Jr. answered a question in his civil war papers that said he came to the U.S. in June 1852. He could have been mistaken. I haven't able to find the ship or names on a list for the year of 1852. Thanks to everyone that has tried to help me. These Howarth's have been confusing enough in the U.S. let alone England. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-re[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

In message <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes >George & Elizabeth Howarth's children were: George b. 1804 was a >miner in England. George Howarth b. 1831 in England (my gr. >grandfather) James Howarth b. 1832 England Jammia Howarth b. 1835 >(haven't found a birth record yet) Kezia Howarth b. 1837 Chew Moor >Henry Howarth b. 1841 England (too many Henry born that year) >Kerenhappuch Howarth b. 1843 Westhoughton > >Also I've check the 1851 census and cannot find them. George Jr. >answered a question in his civil war papers that said he came to the >U.S. in June 1852. > He could have been mistaken. I haven't able to find the ship or names >on a list for the year of 1852. He could even have travelled separately. He might have left home before the family emigrated but decided to join them later. In which case they could have gone before 1851 and so wouldn't be in the census. I notice there's a Kerenhapperch Hilton, b. abt 1844, in Lancashire in 1851 according to the Ancestry index. I don't have a subscription at the moment but it might be worth checking, worse mistakes have happened. -- David Hartley

I am sure I would have come across this name during the past 30 or 40 years I have been interested in the history of Westhoughton. Not only this, but I was born Pamela HOWARTH and I haven't come across this name whilst doing my own family history. Please keep a look out on www.lan-opc.org.uk and check out all the Parishes - I look after the Westhoughton Parish and post Baptisms, Marriages and Burials as I get to do them. Best Wishes, Pam Clarke, Westhoughton OPC

Hello Janice: Ah So ! I wasn't sure. This is a wonderful resource, although the dates for your question are too early; but things are added very regularly, so you might want to watch. Lancashire On-line Parish Clerk at http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ Then click on "Parishes in Lancashire" on the left. When you get to that page, then click on "Deane". All the best, Barb, Ontario, Canada.

Barb: I had found them on the 1841 English census. I'm trying to find Betty (Elizabeth) Howarth's parents. Her surname is Howarth and she married George Howarth in Bolton (Deane) in 1831. Thanks Janice **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

I missed the beginning of this HOWARTH inquiry. But, I have found the family on the 1841 British census. Just let me know if you would like the page image and information. Barb, Ontario, Canada. >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] HOWARTH Family<<<<

James: If you are talking about Elizabeth and George's siblings - I don't know them. I've eliminated Margaret & Henry Howarth for the parents of Betty. Talked to a lady from Mass. and she ruled that family out. George & Elizabeth Howarth's children were: George b. 1804 was a miner in England. George Howarth b. 1831 in England (my gr. grandfather) James Howarth b. 1832 England Jammia Howarth b. 1835 (haven't found a birth record yet) Kezia Howarth b. 1837 Chew Moor Henry Howarth b. 1841 England (too many Henry born that year) Kerenhappuch Howarth b. 1843 Westhoughton Also I've check the 1851 census and cannot find them. George Jr. answered a question in his civil war papers that said he came to the U.S. in June 1852. He could have been mistaken. I haven't able to find the ship or names on a list for the year of 1852. Thanks to everyone that has tried to help me. These Howarth's have been confusing enough in the U.S. let alone England. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Hi Janice, It might help if you have names of other children in the family, if they were baptised in the Deane Church they could be linked together by their parentage. [email protected] wrote: I'm new to this list. I actually found it by accident. Maybe someone could help me with my problem. I was at the History Center in Bolton last August. I found my gr. gr. grandparents - George & Elizabeth (Betty) Howarth Howarth (yes her surname was also Howarth) in a marriage record book for February 1831, Deane, Bolton. I'm not very familiar with Bolton so I apologize greatly. In this book all of the handwriting was the same so I'm assuming that someone copied it from Parish Records. I'm trying to find who George and Betty's parents were. I think that George b. 1804 parents were George Howarth and Ann Acton. I'm at a loss for Betty who was b. 1798 or 1799. It didn't state in this book where or what church that they were married. Actually no info was given for anyone and that's the reason that I think someone copied it from parish records. Would there be any way that I could find this information? George & Betty Howarth immigrated to the U.S. in 1852 with 6 children. Thanking you in advance. I'm keeping my fingers crossed?? Janice Jayne-St.Gemme USA Colorado **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In message <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes >Betty (Elizabeth) Howarth Howarth always answered the question in the >U.S. censuses as being born in 1798/1799. She went by Betty in England >but Elizabeth in the U.S. Parents had so many years to get their >children baptized right?? Would this fall in that time frame? She >would have been 9 or 10 years old when she was baptized. I'm not sure >if she was born in the Bolton area. I have reason to believe that >perhaps she and George were first cousins. We are cursed with the >blood disease but not sure if it comes from them. Just a good guess. If you don't know where she was born it will be very difficult to trace her any further. Howarth was a very common name in the area. The IGI gives 90 hits for Betty Howarth baptised in Lancashire in just 1798 (compared with only 58 for Betty Smith)! After eliminating the repeats and guesses, there's still probably 15 - 20 born in that one year. If the family emigrated in 1852 they should be in the 1851 England census, which gives the birthplace. Have you been able to find them there? -- David Hartley

Hi Janice, George Howarth baptised at Deane by Bolton church June 9th 1807, father George Howarth, mother Ann. In the case of Betty Howarth there are 2 entries at the same church, 1. Betty baptised 9th June 1810, parents Thomas & Betty Howarth. 2.Betty baptised 31st October 1810 parents John and Betty.Howarth [email protected] wrote: I'm new to this list. I actually found it by accident. Maybe someone could help me with my problem. I was at the History Center in Bolton last August. I found my gr. gr. grandparents - George & Elizabeth (Betty) Howarth Howarth (yes her surname was also Howarth) in a marriage record book for February 1831, Deane, Bolton. I'm not very familiar with Bolton so I apologize greatly. In this book all of the handwriting was the same so I'm assuming that someone copied it from Parish Records. I'm trying to find who George and Betty's parents were. I think that George b. 1804 parents were George Howarth and Ann Acton. I'm at a loss for Betty who was b. 1798 or 1799. It didn't state in this book where or what church that they were married. Actually no info was given for anyone and that's the reason that I think someone copied it from parish records. Would there be any way that I could find this information? George & Betty Howarth immigrated to the U.S. in 1852 with 6 children. Thanking you in advance. I'm keeping my fingers crossed?? Janice Jayne-St.Gemme USA Colorado **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks James. Betty (Elizabeth) Howarth Howarth always answered the question in the U.S. censuses as being born in 1798/1799. She went by Betty in England but Elizabeth in the U.S. Parents had so many years to get their children baptized right?? Would this fall in that time frame? She would have been 9 or 10 years old when she was baptized. I'm not sure if she was born in the Bolton area. I have reason to believe that perhaps she and George were first cousins. We are cursed with the blood disease but not sure if it comes from them. Just a good guess. Again thanks. Janice **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Hi Pat Thanks for the input In the various thoughts I had on the subject, I can not come to any definite conclusion as the title nurse probably covered a wide range of occupations ie Nanny, wet nurse, asylum nurse, midwife, asylum nurse, and of course a general nurse if there were hospitals in the district The case in point--- The woman was 40, the son 17 an apprentice nailor, two daughters 15 and 13, and the youngest a son of 4---the daughters and youngest son had no occupation listed, so this I think would preclude many of the above suggestions In that the populace had a certain distrust of authority, the census may be far from accurate---who knows I continue my search Thanks Robert From the Roaring Forties PS No husband is shown on this census record At 10:46 PM 18/05/2008, you wrote: >Hi Robert, > >I too have come across the occupation of "nurse" in my family. In quite a >few cases they are children themselves but not directly related to the >family so I assume they are "mother's helpers." > >I also have seen a photo circa 1915 depicting mom, and two or three >children. The people are named as family members and the girl who appears >about twelve years old is named as the nurse. > >Hope this helps. > >Pat > >:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > >Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. >Other people can learn from them! > >:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message