Hi List I am trying to get some dates on my Grandparents marriage, in the past Sarah Fernley has helped me with this info so hopefully she will see this message an could help me again. I need to know the marriage dates for Lydia Faith Fernley & Harold Bradshaw I assume they were married in England, Harold was born 17/9/1887 & Lydia was born 13/11/1887. I hope Sarah or someone can help me with the date of this marriage. Many thanks Cheers Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-LAN-BOLTON Digest, Vol 3, Issue 119 When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. Today's Topics: 1. Events of interest to the Lancashire researcher (Lynne) 2. Census lookup please 1871 NORTH Elizabeth (Joan Bridges) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:51:45 -0400 From: Lynne <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Events of interest to the Lancashire researcher To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Some events which may be of interest . . . =====ONGOING===== Through to 27 September 2009 MERSEYSIDE MARITIME MUSEUM Magical History Tour, a journey of discovery through 800 years of Liverpool history. 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Information desks giving help with Beginning Family History, Census Data, Civil Registration, the Internet, Manorial Records, Wills, Roman Catholic Records, Heraldry, Occupations, Military Research and much more. Chorley Parish Church of St. Laurence, Union Street, Chorley. http://www.lancashire-fhhs.org.uk/lancs/events/index.htm 28 June 10 am to 4:30 pm - YORKSHIRE FAMILY HISTORY FAIR, The Knavesmire Exhibition Centre, The Racecourse, York. http://www.yorkshirefamilyhistoryfair.com/ =====FUTURE EVENTS===== 3 July -5 July Thursday - 2 pm to 9 pm, Friday - 10 am to 9 pm, Saturday - 9 am to 4 pm FAMILY SEARCH ON THE ROAD, Liverpool Central Library, Picton Reading Room, William Brown Street, Liverpool L3 8EW. Bring your completed Family History Work Sheet with you. http://www.lds.org.uk/family_search_on_the_road.php 2 August 11 am to 4:30 pm - Chorley Branch, LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & HERALDRY SOCIETY, 4th Annual "Celebration of Family History," Astley Hall, Chorley, PR7 1NP. www.lfhhs.org.uk/chorley ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:23:36 -0400 From: Joan Bridges <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Census lookup please 1871 NORTH Elizabeth To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected][192.168.0.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Sylvia, I have had a look for your Mary NORTH in 1851 and came up with the following: Name: Mary Dorth [I checked the original & to me it reads NORTH] [Mary Rodgers] Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Samuel Father's Name: James Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Great Bolton Town: Bolton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 9 Velvet Walks Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Bolton Western Household Members: Name Age Samuel Dorth H 30 PoB Halifax, Yorkshire. Occ. Cordwainer Mary Dorth W 24 PoB Ireland Thomas Dorth S 6 PoB Bolton Cathrin Dorth D 5 PoB Bolton Elizth Dorth D 1 PoB Bolton James Rodgers FiL 50 PoB Ireland Occ. Hand Loom Weaver Mary Rodgers MiL 52 PoB Ireland Occ. Weaver Cotton Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2211; Folio: 362; Page: 17; GSU roll: 87221. From LBMD & FBMD there is a marriage Sept. Qtr. 1846 NORTH Samuel & ROGERS Mary Bolton, St Mary the Virgin, Deane Parish Church Bolton 24/4/449 Perhaps SKS on the list will check the marriage for you. 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Thank you very much for that, Joan. Just back from a trip to Canada. It was wonderful, and we seemed to take some Aussie weather over with us. Unforgettable scenery. Sylxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Bridges" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:23 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Census lookup please 1871 NORTH Elizabeth > > Hi Sylvia, > > I have had a look for your Mary NORTH in 1851 and came up with the > following: > > Name: Mary Dorth [I checked the original & to me it reads NORTH] > [Mary Rodgers] > Age: 24 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's Name: Samuel > Father's Name: James > Gender: Female > Where born: Ireland > > Civil Parish: Great Bolton > Town: Bolton > County/Island: Lancashire > Country: England > > Street address: 9 Velvet Walks > > Registration district: Bolton > Sub registration district: Bolton Western > > Household Members: > Name Age > > Samuel Dorth H 30 PoB Halifax, Yorkshire. Occ. Cordwainer > Mary Dorth W 24 PoB Ireland > Thomas Dorth S 6 PoB Bolton > Cathrin Dorth D 5 PoB Bolton > Elizth Dorth D 1 PoB Bolton > James Rodgers FiL 50 PoB Ireland Occ. Hand Loom Weaver > Mary Rodgers MiL 52 PoB Ireland Occ. Weaver Cotton > > > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2211; Folio: 362; Page: 17; GSU > roll: 87221. > > From LBMD & FBMD there is a marriage Sept. Qtr. 1846 > NORTH Samuel & ROGERS Mary Bolton, St Mary the Virgin, Deane Parish > Church Bolton 24/4/449 > > Perhaps SKS on the list will check the marriage for you. > > HTH > > Regards from Ottawa, Canada > > Joan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1488 - Release Date: 6/06/2008 > 5:48 PM > >

Hi List re the recent enquiry regarding Nuttalls House's at Delph Hill Doffcocker, I received a undated map courtesy of Halliwell Loccal History Society, showing Nuttalls Row opposite Doffcocker Mill, Delph Hill Chorley Old road.

Hi Jacqui, Just realised that I didn't thank you for looking up the Norths in the census. I also can't find Elizabeth North's mother Mary (surname unknown - she seems to have gotten around- in the census for 1871 so I think that they may have been in some other part of Lancashire at the time of the census. Thanks very much for your help, anyway, Jacqui. Sylviaxx ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Census lookup please 1871 NORTH Elizabeth > > > In a message dated 04/06/2008 05:10:59 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > She was the daughter of Mary NORTH, but her father Sam > NORTH had died and her mother had a few common law husbands, so I am not > > > > Hi > I have had a look in the 1871 cencus but cant find any Elizabeth North in > Bolton. > > However, in 1861 AT 67 Matthurst Street South, Bolton there was a family > called North, > John North 38 Cordwaner born Bradford, Yorkshire. > Mary 33 Bootbinder? born Wigan > Thomas 17 Cotton Factory hand born Bolton > Catherine 16 Cotton Factory Hand born Bolton > Elizabeth 7 born Bolton > > Hope this is of some help if only for elimination. > > Jacqui > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.5/1479 - Release Date: 2/06/2008 > 7:02 PM > >

Hi Sylvia, I have had a look for your Mary NORTH in 1851 and came up with the following: Name: Mary Dorth [I checked the original & to me it reads NORTH] [Mary Rodgers] Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Samuel Father's Name: James Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Great Bolton Town: Bolton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 9 Velvet Walks Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Bolton Western Household Members: Name Age Samuel Dorth H 30 PoB Halifax, Yorkshire. Occ. Cordwainer Mary Dorth W 24 PoB Ireland Thomas Dorth S 6 PoB Bolton Cathrin Dorth D 5 PoB Bolton Elizth Dorth D 1 PoB Bolton James Rodgers FiL 50 PoB Ireland Occ. Hand Loom Weaver Mary Rodgers MiL 52 PoB Ireland Occ. Weaver Cotton Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2211; Folio: 362; Page: 17; GSU roll: 87221. From LBMD & FBMD there is a marriage Sept. Qtr. 1846 NORTH Samuel & ROGERS Mary Bolton, St Mary the Virgin, Deane Parish Church Bolton 24/4/449 Perhaps SKS on the list will check the marriage for you. HTH Regards from Ottawa, Canada Joan

Some events which may be of interest . . . =====ONGOING===== Through to 27 September 2009 MERSEYSIDE MARITIME MUSEUM Magical History Tour, a journey of discovery through 800 years of Liverpool history. Albert Dock, Liverpool L3 4AQ, Merseyside. http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/ Through to 31 August 10 am to 5 pm - Exhibit: ANCOATS: MANCHESTER'S LITTLE ITALY, Museum of Science & Industry, Liverpool Road, Castlefield, Manchester M3 4FP. http://www.mosi.org.uk/whats-on/ancoats-manchester's-little-italy-(1) =====JUNE===== 7 June GRO OPEN DAYS 2008, Smedley Hydro, Trafalgar Road, Southport, PR8 2HH. Places must be booked well in advance. Contact Certificate Services Contact Centre, Tel: 0151 471 4508 or 0151 471 4530. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/news/gro-open-days-2008.asp 14 June GRO OPEN DAYS 2008, Smedley Hydro, Trafalgar Road, Southport, PR8 2HH. Places must be booked well in advance. Contact Certificate Services Contact Centre, Tel: 0151 471 4508 or 0151 471 4530. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/news/gro-open-days-2008.asp 21 June 10:30 am to 4.30 pm - CHORLEY BRANCH, LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & HERALDRY SOCIETY, "Meet Our Experts." Information desks giving help with Beginning Family History, Census Data, Civil Registration, the Internet, Manorial Records, Wills, Roman Catholic Records, Heraldry, Occupations, Military Research and much more. Chorley Parish Church of St. Laurence, Union Street, Chorley. http://www.lancashire-fhhs.org.uk/lancs/events/index.htm 28 June 10 am to 4:30 pm - YORKSHIRE FAMILY HISTORY FAIR, The Knavesmire Exhibition Centre, The Racecourse, York. http://www.yorkshirefamilyhistoryfair.com/ =====FUTURE EVENTS===== 3 July -5 July Thursday - 2 pm to 9 pm, Friday - 10 am to 9 pm, Saturday - 9 am to 4 pm FAMILY SEARCH ON THE ROAD, Liverpool Central Library, Picton Reading Room, William Brown Street, Liverpool L3 8EW. Bring your completed Family History Work Sheet with you. http://www.lds.org.uk/family_search_on_the_road.php 2 August 11 am to 4:30 pm - Chorley Branch, LANCASHIRE FAMILY HISTORY & HERALDRY SOCIETY, 4th Annual "Celebration of Family History," Astley Hall, Chorley, PR7 1NP. www.lfhhs.org.uk/chorley

"relict' can mean widow of course. Judy On 5 Jun 2008, at 12:28, Sarah Fernley wrote: > Thankyou to Alice for providing this information. that helps me a > great deal with the puzzle . > It certainly seems to fit that rel. means relinquished. I don't > know how common this was in the C19th but they certainly did not go > ahead and change their names legally so they obviously changed > their mind. > > sarah > > >

Thanks, I had only see the christening in the IGI where it just has the mother as Jane BRISCOE. In 1851, Jane's father James WHITELAW was in Bolton but can't see him either in 1841. I suppose it is possible that they had gone to Scotland though they do not seem to have been very well off - four of their children died as infants and the other two only reached 18 before dying. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 05 June 2008 10:19 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ENG-LAN-BOLTON Digest, Vol 3, Issue 117 > > > > Martin > Cannot find him anywhere in 1841 - sorry However, his dau may > have been born out of wedlock or by an earlier wife - > Elizabeth Briscoe chr 21st April 1839: St Peters, Bolton Le > Moors, Lancashire, dau of Stock Briscoe & Jane [Whitelaw]. > However, Elizabeth may have been registered in the church > but there is no official register for her between June > 1839 and Dec 1840; in fact the nearest is Liverpool June Qtr > 1844. This may or may not indicate that she was born by > another women, wife or not! > > Tony

Thankyou to Alice for providing this information. that helps me a great deal with the puzzle . It certainly seems to fit that rel. means relinquished. I don't know how common this was in the C19th but they certainly did not go ahead and change their names legally so they obviously changed their mind. sarah Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:07:18 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Latin Catholic baptism register - anglicising irish name... To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" There is a Latin verb relinquo/relinquere/reliqui/relictum which means to give up, like the modern English relinquish so possibly the full form of your rel would be relictus i.e. the name which has been given up. Best wishes Alice Clarke ********************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of City College Manchester. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. **********************************

Martin Cannot find him anywhere in 1841 - sorry However, his dau may have been born out of wedlock or by an earlier wife - Elizabeth Briscoe chr 21st April 1839: St Peters, Bolton Le Moors, Lancashire, dau of Stock Briscoe & Jane [Whitelaw]. However, Elizabeth may have been registered in the church but there is no official register for her between June 1839 and Dec 1840; in fact the nearest is Liverpool June Qtr 1844. This may or may not indicate that she was born by another women, wife or not! Tony Hope it helps In a message dated 6/5/2008 8:05:51 A.M. GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:11:55 +0100 From: "Martin Briscoe" <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Bolton 1841 - Stock Wood BRISCOE To: "Bolton List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have just been filling in a few gaps in my family tree file. I can't find this one in 1841, someone might like a go at finding him. Stock Wood BRISCOE (sometimes written Stockwood BRISCOE) Born 1817 Bolton Married Jane WHITELAW 1844 Bolton. She was born Scotland ABT 1822 He was the son of Robert BRISCOE and Elizabeth WOOD. Robert died before 1841 but Elizabeth was in Green Street, Little Bolton in 1841 Stock Wood BRISCOE was a weaver Odd thing is that in 1841 there was a Granddaughter Elizabeth BRISCOE living with his mother, she was Age 2. In 1851 he was living at 24 Green Street and had a daughter Elizabeth BRISCOE Age 11, presumably the same person but he married in 1844 and was a bachelor when married.

I have just been filling in a few gaps in my family tree file. I can't find this one in 1841, someone might like a go at finding him. Stock Wood BRISCOE (sometimes written Stockwood BRISCOE) Born 1817 Bolton Married Jane WHITELAW 1844 Bolton. She was born Scotland ABT 1822 He was the son of Robert BRISCOE and Elizabeth WOOD. Robert died before 1841 but Elizabeth was in Green Street, Little Bolton in 1841 Stock Wood BRISCOE was a weaver Odd thing is that in 1841 there was a Granddaughter Elizabeth BRISCOE living with his mother, she was Age 2. In 1851 he was living at 24 Green Street and had a daughter Elizabeth BRISCOE Age 11, presumably the same person but he married in 1844 and was a bachelor when married. It is not crucial but he has always interested me because of the unusual name - the IGI has it as Hock Wood BRISCOE but it is definitely Stock Wood BRISCOE (his mother had a brother called Stock WOOD). I have him in 1851 and 1861, he died 1867. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Could SKS with access to the Bolton 1871 Census please look for Elizabeth NORTH, aged abt 17? She was the daughter of Mary NORTH, but her father Sam NORTH had died and her mother had a few common law husbands, so I am not sure what family she will be with. But, she( Elizabeth)was in Bolton in 1861, and by 1881 had married William Hoggett and was still in Bolton, so I'm pretty sure that she would have been in Bolton in 1861. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sylvia

Hi all, Any latin translators out there - or anyone with a suggestion re the following puzzle? I was in Preston LRO last week looking at the baptism records for St pat's, SSPeter & Paul and st Edmunds. ( incidentally the same films in Bolton are an earlier poor copy, whilst the Preston ones are actaully readable as they have been re photographed. ) Anyway one of my relatives has changed their surname in the register - and the appropriate column gives both the real name and the changed name. next to that it says "rel Hatzer " I cant find a translation for this abbreviation - well i presume its an abbreviated latin word. It's possible it could be oel or del not rel, but it appears more likely to be rel. Perhaps rel - simply means previously or something along those lines? In subsequent years - for the next children , they simply revert to their real name. They went from Hatzer to Hodser. I can imagine they did this in 1890's Bolton due to the prejudice experienced by the Irish and I know they found it hard to get decent jobs from family recollections . Anybody have any suggestions or experience of this? sarah ********************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of City College Manchester. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. **********************************

There is a Latin verb relinquo/relinquere/reliqui/relictum which means to give up, like the modern English relinquish so possibly the full form of your rel would be relictus i.e. the name which has been given up. Best wishes Alice Clarke

In a message dated 04/06/2008 05:10:59 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: She was the daughter of Mary NORTH, but her father Sam NORTH had died and her mother had a few common law husbands, so I am not Hi I have had a look in the 1871 cencus but cant find any Elizabeth North in Bolton. However, in 1861 AT 67 Matthurst Street South, Bolton there was a family called North, John North 38 Cordwaner born Bradford, Yorkshire. Mary 33 Bootbinder? born Wigan Thomas 17 Cotton Factory hand born Bolton Catherine 16 Cotton Factory Hand born Bolton Elizabeth 7 born Bolton Hope this is of some help if only for elimination. Jacqui

Hello Listers. Sorry I sent my Birmingham query to the wrong list I am on both, but thanks very much to Janet C for her suggestions. Audrey

Hello Audrey, I'm not sure you have sent this message to the right list, as you say you can't get to B'ham (do you mean Birmingham?). If so, you would have to search this area. Valerie 2008/6/2 <[email protected]>: > Dear All > I have a copy of my grandmother`s birth certificate Eliza born to Elizabeth > Robins 10/5/1863 no fathers name I know Elizabeth did marry John Barratt my > Gt > Grandfather? 5years later, the informant was my Gt Gt Grandmother could > anyone let me know how I can get a copy of the baptism cert. I can`t get > to B`ham > sorry. > Audrey > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When you say 'baptism cert.' do you mean a copy of the baptism entry in the Parish records? If so, do you know which church this took place at? If not, you'll have to start looking for the nearest churches to where Elizabeth was living at the time of Eliza's birth, and then look through the records - sometimes you may be lucky and find transcriptions online, but otherwise you'll have to rely on the generosity of people in the area to look up the records at local archives - or you could order the film of the church you're interested in from your local LDS Family history Centre, and trawl through the records yourself. Good luck - it can be a long and boring task - much patience is needed! Janet C> From: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:35:50 -0400> To: [email protected]> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Baptism records> > Dear All> I have a copy of my grandmother`s birth certificate Eliza born to Elizabeth > Robins 10/5/1863 no fathers name I know Elizabeth did marry John Barratt my Gt > Grandfather? 5years later, the informant was my Gt Gt Grandmother could > anyone let me know how I can get a copy of the baptism cert. I can`t get to B`ham > sorry.> Audrey> _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/

Dear All I have a copy of my grandmother`s birth certificate Eliza born to Elizabeth Robins 10/5/1863 no fathers name I know Elizabeth did marry John Barratt my Gt Grandfather? 5years later, the informant was my Gt Gt Grandmother could anyone let me know how I can get a copy of the baptism cert. I can`t get to B`ham sorry. Audrey

Margaret: My family tree shows the listing of a number of William Horrocks. 1 William Horrocks, b abt 1594 Rumsworth, Deane Parrish, Lancashire, 2 William Horrocks, b 22 December 1639. Rumsworth, Deane Parrish, Lancashire, 3 William Horrocks, b 15 May 1711 Rumsworth, Deane Parrish, Lancashire, d June 1804 4 William Horrocks, b abt 1740 Rumsworth, Deane Parrish, Lancashire, 5 William Horrocks, b abt 1773 I really have no record of residency d 14 Oct. 1863 6 William Horrocks, b abt 1778 I really have no record of residency I really have no idea if any of these supplied references are germane to the particular William to whom you are referring; nevertheless, it is remarkably interesting. If nothing else, it is remarkably interesting, I just hope that somebody puts in the same amount of labor and interest as you have to find the history of a poor soul that may have had a very bumble life and died in a work house, probably penniless and in despair, say nothing of alone. It just goes to prove, however lowly in life's station, we may consider ourselves, each of us matters. That was a lesson that was taught to me in Vietnam, that soaked in years after living in guilt, as to why I survived and so many good men, friend, warriors died. God has a purpose for us all, evidentially, he had further work for me. As it turned out, it was the rearing in 5 very successful children, and being the full time mentor of hundreds more. Hard lives are a real gift, it gives you strength of character to rise above it. Bless you, for your caring heart. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Horrocks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Halliwell > Martin, I would love to see a map of the Halliwell area, and as you say it > will probably add to my confusion. I hope it proves that William Horrocks > was living near his nephew, I just do not know why he moved from his farm > in > Horwich to Halliwell to be an Out Door Labourer, and died in the Work > House. > Thanks in advance for sending me the map. Margaret > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message