Updates to Lancashire BMD (http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk) as of 18 June 2008: Added 32,868 births for Preston & South Ribble RD comprising: Leyland (1837-1879); Preston East (1920-1935) Added 52,493 births for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn South Eastern (1909-1936); Blackburn South Western (1909-1921); Darwen (1901-1936) Added 4,435 births for Hyndburn RD comprising: Oswaldtwistle (1921-1936); Oswaldtwistle A (1936-1954) Amended 9,712 births for Hyndburn RD to include mother's maiden name comprising: Accrington (1837-1860) Many thanks to all who contribute to this effort.

I wonder if anyone has any Whitworths in the Unsworth area in the 1890s? I have been having another think about my Great Grandfather's brother's funeral. He was John Daly Briscoe (1827-1897) At there funeral there was a Mrs Whitworth of Unsworth and Mr W Whitworth Jnr - that sounds more like her son than husband. Presumably they shared a Grandparent which would be a Briscoe or Daley. Ancestry Chart of John Daly BRISCOE ----------------------------------- +--+ 3-Robert BRISCOE,b.23 Aug 1774,d.Bef 6 Jun 1841 +--+ 2-Peter BRISCOE,b.19 Feb 1805,d.8 Sep 1848 | +--+ 3-Elizabeth WOOD,b.Bef 21 Sep 1783,d.After 30 Mar 1851 --+ 1-John Daly BRISCOE,b.11 Apr 1827,d.6 Feb 1897 | +--- 3-John DALEY,b.Bef 1788,d.Bef 3 Nov 1818 +--+ 2-Mary DALEY,b.Bef 2 Feb 1806,d.31 Mar 1853 +--+ 3-Dorothy LATHAM,b.24 Sep 1779,d.After 1851 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

On the subject of the streets of Bolton, I have been reading Engels on the Condition of the Working Class in England (1844). This is available online through the Marx and Engels internet archive http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/ go to the collected works page and select volume 4 http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/cw/index.htm I had never read Engels before and have to confess I am completely knocked out by the level of detail and in particular the shocking condition of cotton mill workers. Reading this may answer many listers' questions about their ancestors' working conditions, state of health, education etc. here is a bit about Factory Hands: > In many rooms of the cotton and flax-spinning mills, the air is > filled with fibrous dust, which produces chest affections, > especially among workers in the carding and combing-rooms. Some > constitutions can bear it, some cannot; but the operative has no > choice. He must take the room in which he finds work, whether his > chest is sound or not. The most common effects of this breathing of > dust are blood-spitting, hard, noisy breathing, pains in the chest, > coughs, sleeplessness – in short, all the symptoms of asthma ending > in the worst cases in consumption. Especially unwholesome is the > wet spinning of linen-yarn which is carried on by young girls and > boys. The water spirts over them from the spindle, so that the > front of their clothing is constantly wet through to the skin; and > there is always water standing on the floor. This is the case to a > less degree in the doubling-rooms of the cotton mills, and the > result is a constant succession of colds and affections of the > chest. A hoarse, rough voice is common to all operatives, but > especially to wet spinners and doublers. Stuart, Mackintosh, and > Sir D. Barry express themselves in the most vigorous terms as to > the unwholesomeness of this work, and the small consideration shown > by most of the manufacturers for the health of the girls who do it. > Another effect of flax-spinning is a peculiar deformity of the > shoulder, especially a projection of the right shoulder-blade, > consequent upon the nature of the work. This sort of spinning and > the throstle- spinning of cotton frequently produce diseases of the > knee-pan, which is used to check the spindle during the joining of > broken threads. The frequent stooping and the bending to the low > machines common to both these branches of work have, in general, a > stunting effect upon the growth of the operative. In the throstle- > room of the cotton mill at Manchester, in which I was employed, I > do not remember to have seen one single tall, well-built girl; they > were all short, dumpy, and badly-formed, decidedly ugly in the > whole development of the figure. But apart from all these diseases > and malformations, the limbs of the operatives suffer in still > another way. The work between the machinery gives rise to > multitudes of accidents of more or less serious nature, which have > for the operative the secondary effect of unfitting him for his > work more or less completely. The most common accident is the > squeezing off of a single joint of a finger, somewhat less common > the loss of the whole finger, half or a whole hand, an arm, etc., > in the machinery. Lockjaw very often follows, even upon the lesser > among these injuries, and brings death with it. Besides the > deformed persons, a great number of maimed ones may be seen going > about in Manchester; this one has lost an arm or a part of one, > that one a foot, the third half a leg; it is like living in the > midst of an army just returned from a campaign. But the most > dangerous portion of the machinery is the strapping which conveys > motive power from the shaft to the separate machines, especially if > it contains buckles, which, however, are rarely used now. Whoever > is seized by the strap is carried up with lightning speed, thrown > against the ceiling above and floor below with such force that > there is rarely a whole bone left in the body, and death follows > instantly. > I have stopped the extract there as it gets even worse. Judy

I think there are several possibilities for the streets because there were different road making methods available. I have been looking at the pics in a book I wrote about Jedburgh in the Borders and in some pictures there are setts (the square stones) and cobbled pavements, both of which look quite pale. There is also a picture of the High Street, which I originally thought was completely unpaved, but looking closely you can see the road metal - ie small stones. Jedburgh High St was at that time part of the main route south. So some of the street you are looking at may have been made up that way, either placing small stones on larger ones, or macadamised. With a macadamised road the weight of the vehicles and foot traffic compacts the stones - the tarring came much later. It is easy to see how the gravel could look pale, especially if it was granite. I also have a pic of a motor car on a muddy road and in that case the road also looks very pale. I think in some of these cases the road may be 'burnt' out by the photographic exposure, in the same way that modern photos sometimes have the sky burnt out in order to get the exposure correct on the subject. Getting back to the cobbles, I wonder if where the mills are concerned these were installed by owners to take the load of the heavy waggons. Judy

Re streets,, one street that might be in the book. Maria St runs off Gladstone St Halliwell, is still surfaced with sets or otherwise known as cobbles, it might answer the question on colour. Martin Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: Looking again at some of the pictures there seems to be some comments written by some points and they are a similar white so I think they must have been enhanced for some reason. But they are excellent pictures, pity the library doesn't put scans up on their website! Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet C > Sent: 16 June 2008 18:20 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Roads / Streets of Bolton > > > I have a copy of the book too, and have just had a look at > the photos. I see what you mean! On some of the photos the > streets are so light coloured they almost look like they've > been Photoshopped! However, looking at some of the > illustrations of single mills, several show cobbled roads in > front of them - and light coloured cobbles at that. So I > would favour the cobble theory. Slightly surprising that the > cobbles didn't get as dirty as the factory walls though, so > maybe I'm wrong. > Thanks for pointing it out. Just goes to show that we should > look more closely at things that at first glance don't seem > to contain much new information. > Regards > Janet C :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking again at some of the pictures there seems to be some comments written by some points and they are a similar white so I think they must have been enhanced for some reason. But they are excellent pictures, pity the library doesn't put scans up on their website! Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet C > Sent: 16 June 2008 18:20 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Roads / Streets of Bolton > > > I have a copy of the book too, and have just had a look at > the photos. I see what you mean! On some of the photos the > streets are so light coloured they almost look like they've > been Photoshopped! However, looking at some of the > illustrations of single mills, several show cobbled roads in > front of them - and light coloured cobbles at that. So I > would favour the cobble theory. Slightly surprising that the > cobbles didn't get as dirty as the factory walls though, so > maybe I'm wrong. > Thanks for pointing it out. Just goes to show that we should > look more closely at things that at first glance don't seem > to contain much new information. > Regards > Janet C

I have a copy of the book too, and have just had a look at the photos. I see what you mean! On some of the photos the streets are so light coloured they almost look like they've been Photoshopped! However, looking at some of the illustrations of single mills, several show cobbled roads in front of them - and light coloured cobbles at that. So I would favour the cobble theory. Slightly surprising that the cobbles didn't get as dirty as the factory walls though, so maybe I'm wrong. Thanks for pointing it out. Just goes to show that we should look more closely at things that at first glance don't seem to contain much new information. Regards Janet C p.s. Maybe Bolton Local Studies would have a more accurate answer? > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:40:03 +0100> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Roads / Streets of Bolton> > I was reading through my copy of the book on cotton mills of Bolton and> realised that it has some excellent aerial photographs of Bolton taken in> 1920.> > In all the pictures the streets are very light coloured, I wondered if the> pictures had been edited and the streets highlighted. It got me wondering> whether the side streets would be surfaced (cobbles?) at that time or> whether they were just basically hard packed dirt in which case the light> colour might be dust.> > I wonder if anyone else has seen the pictures and has any ideas.> > > > > Martin Briscoe> Fort William> M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/

I was reading through my copy of the book on cotton mills of Bolton and realised that it has some excellent aerial photographs of Bolton taken in 1920. In all the pictures the streets are very light coloured, I wondered if the pictures had been edited and the streets highlighted. It got me wondering whether the side streets would be surfaced (cobbles?) at that time or whether they were just basically hard packed dirt in which case the light colour might be dust. I wonder if anyone else has seen the pictures and has any ideas. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

HAH !! big error in my previous message. My Mom did not marry a GEORGESON..........................My Mom's COUSIN married a GEORGESON. Apologies. Barb, Ontario, Canada. >>>From: "Barb Baker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 2/6th Liverpool Kings F and G surnames<<< >>>>>>>> My Mom married a GEORGESON (from Wigan, I believe).<<<<<< >

Hello Tamara: The book has a listing for a GEORGESON; I would be interested in seeing more, if possible. My Mom married a GEORGESON (from Wigan, I believe). Thanks, if you can Barb Baker Ontario, Canada [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 2/6th Liverpool Kings F and G surnames > > Hello everyone, > It's taken me a while but I've finally added the F and G surnames of the > soldiers who served in the 2/6th Battalion Liverpool Kings (WW1) to my > website: > > http://www.freewebs.com/liverpoolkings/ > > It's taking me longer than I thought to find the time to add it all, but > if you have an ancestor you would like me to look up in the meantime, just > let me know, only to happy to check the book, > > Tamara - Australia. > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sarah, Good to hear from you again. I have been travelling for the last 2 months, so have done nothing regarding Family History. I have not worked on the FERNLEY family for some time. I had a feeling that Annie FEARNLEY who died in Farnworth in 1903 was the wife of John Thomas, who said he was a widower in 1901. I would be very grateful if you would let me know Annie's date of death as well as the informant. All the other information in your e mail, I am aware of. I have George Alfred Fearnley [age 7] with his dad JTF in 1891 in Yorkshire. After that, little to hope for. An interesting tit bit about Joseph Bromiley. Did not find that. ;-) Keep up the good work. Best wishes from Ottawa, Canada. Joan

Hi Joan, The Bullock St 1901 for Annie is great as I did not have that. I will have a look at that leas, as I had lost her. the only difficulty is that her husband in 1901 is saying he's a widower when his wife would still be alive. That's why I am still unsure about a 1903 death. enumerator mistake? Or him lying? ( Possibly seeing much younger Elizabeth Ann Bromiley by 1901 as they marry 1905? Plus he he kept knocking a few years off his age on 1901 and on his marriage cert. ) Just to let you know I have had the death certificate for Annie Fearnley for some time - was sure i sent details to you, but if not, it states Fishpool hospital , cancer of womb. This doesn't mean she was an inmate - just that she died in the hospital. It's a long while since I worked on this side of the tree , but without a closer inspection of my notes, am pretty sure I did not find a Bolton burial in Tonge nor Heaton registers for her. Think my next step was going to be Farnworth cemeteries, Lydia being born in Farnworth. Daughter Lydia 1901 on 32 Devon st Bury, a boarder with Oakes family - not livinig with Dad John Thomas Fernley - he's living alone on lever St - or alone that night. This implied they may have been separated by 1901- because they were separte on 1891 also. Will never know, but under JTF name entry on 1901 there is one row gap before the next house occupants are listed - may be nothing but there are no row gaps on the whole page. Point for interest for carol Laugher - when I was going through the St Michael's Cf E ( Great Lever, Bolton) registers there was a private baptism 23.9. 83 of a baby George Alfred Fearnley At St Batholomews C of E , address given was Stock Hilllock, no trade given for father in that column on cert. He crops up again living with his father JTF on 1891, but i lost track of this boy after that. ( Cant remember exact details now but St Batholomews C of E amalgamted with St Michael's Cf E at some point, but before it closed St Batholomews was very close to s.Hillock, off Nelson Street. APH's brother George baptised many of his children at St Michael's Cf E as well. Could not find Lydia's baptism at either. JTH's forebears - no further back than JTF's grandpa John fernley born Ludworth c. 1804. On the Bromiley front - when I was looking at Gale free news archives there was an entry about a Joseph Bromiley . It's in the Morning Chronicle Sep 29 1858 - Joseph Bromiley son of Mr Bromiley, clogger, Derby St Bolton is involved in " Another Stabbing Case at Bolton" and his conviction is in the Liverpool mercury 17 Dec 1858. Quite a funny story really - he must be one of your Bromileys, vaguely remember they were connected to that address. Hope something there is of use. sarah Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:37:06 -0400 From: Joan Bridges <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Lydia Fernley/Bradshaw marriage To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected][192.168.0.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Carol. I was in touch with you quite some time ago with regards the above. Like Sarah, I have searched and searched for Lydia's marriage without success. She is not on FBMD: LBMD or Lan-OPC. My interest is in John Thomas Fernley, Lydia's father. He married 'my' Elizabeth Ann Bromiley in 1905. His first wife, Annie [Partington Houghton] Fearnley was, I believe, at 29 Bullock St. Bolton in 1901 (RG13/3618/159/26) She was married, age 41, no occupation. She was a visitor in the home of Frank & Mary E. Richardson. I have tried, but have not been able to find a connection between Annie & the Richardsons. There is a death for Annie Fearnley Bolton Dec Qtr. 1903 Age 43 LMBD Farnworth Reference No. FTH/78/341 >From experience, I have found that deaths registered in Farnworth for this time period, usually occurred at Fishpool [the workhouse] and the informant is usually the Master of the workhouse. But it might be worth an e mail to Bolton Register Office. e mail address [email protected] Not that any of this helps with the marriage you are looking for :-( HTH & Good luck. Regards from Ottawa, Canada Joan ------------------------------

BRADSHAW / FERNLEY Hi Sarah & Joan, thank you for your help I thought it may be a long shot as I know you have helped me in the past with my grandmother, but I haven't found a great deal regards to my grandfather & a few weeks ago a chap contacted me & thinks he may have some service medals that belonged to him but he has details that he would have had to of been in the British army but he found he came to Aust 1901 & found my gran (Lydia) came out here 1919, but my father was born April 1919 so my guess is Harold must have gone back to England & was married over there & then came out here again while gran was pregnant, so I was trying to find a marriage cert or find if Harold was in the forces over there but I think I have hit a dead end at the mo, but thank you for your help Cheers Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-LAN-BOLTON Digest, Vol 3, Issue 122 When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. Today's Topics: 1. Re: velvet walks NORTH (Sarah Fernley) 2. Re: carol Laugher - Fernley- Bradshaw marriage (Sarah Fernley) 3. Lydia Fernley/Bradshaw marriage (Joan Bridges) 4. Velvet Walks (Joan Bridges) 5. 1871 NORTH Elizabeth (Joan Bridges) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:22:56 +0100 From: "Sarah Fernley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] velvet walks NORTH To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The local history booklet written by P .Kenyon is good for info on Velvet Walks area of Bolton, the lodging houses etc. Unfortunately I don't have the title - but someone on this list will know, if you're interested, as it's widely available in Bolton- something like "A Bolton Childhood" ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:02:07 +0100 From: "Sarah Fernley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] carol Laugher - Fernley- Bradshaw marriage To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Carol, I only saw your mail by chance - i nearly missed it due to the subject line - i only have time to read those . Anyway I have checked what I have and unfortunately I don't have their marraige date, in fact i think it was you that supplied to me the fact they married an had son Ralph HB. I just had a quick look on BMD and could not find a marriage match listed. Maybe you could try lancs on line parish clerk if you think they married in the county. All i have for Lydia is that she was living in Bury on the 1901 census, prior to that - in 1891- she lived At Stock Hillock but was born on Glynne st Farnworth Bolton. Another kind lister, i think, supplied Lydia's mum, garndpa Ralph and the Farrand, Stanley forebears. On my notes I have that Harold was the son of John Bradshaw b. 1854 who in turn was the son of Joseph Bradshaw and Mary ( nee Smith) , although there are no sources here for that info. I have Ralph's siblings Deborah , Charlotte and George. I also got APHoughton/fernley's brother George who married Sarah Ann Cawley, and some of their kids - but i probbaly sent that to u already. I have been working on other lines of my tree as I am still no further with where or when Lydia's mum ( APHF) died. The Houghtons lived at Stott Hillock aka Stock Hillock, this seems to have been named after a cotton mill which was there at least from 1847 - my 1847 map shows it. later maps simply show it as a small group of houses with the mill gone. let me know if any of that is any use and where you are at with it all. Sarah essage: 3 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:02:57 -0700 From: "C.Laugher" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ENG-LAN-BOLTON Digest, Vol 3, Issue 119 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]a9e> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi List I am trying to get some dates on my Grandparents marriage, in the past Sarah Fernley has helped me with this info so hopefully she will see this message an could help me again. I need to know the marriage dates for Lydia Faith Fernley & Harold Bradshaw I assume they were married in England, Harold was born 17/9/1887 & Lydia was born 13/11/1887. I hope Sarah or someone can help me with the date of this marriage. Many thanks Cheers Carol ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:37:06 -0400 From: Joan Bridges <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Lydia Fernley/Bradshaw marriage To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected][192.168.0.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Carol. I was in touch with you quite some time ago with regards the above. Like Sarah, I have searched and searched for Lydia's marriage without success. She is not on FBMD: LBMD or Lan-OPC. My interest is in John Thomas Fernley, Lydia's father. He married 'my' Elizabeth Ann Bromiley in 1905. His first wife, Annie [Partington Houghton] Fearnley was, I believe, at 29 Bullock St. Bolton in 1901 (RG13/3618/159/26) She was married, age 41, no occupation. She was a visitor in the home of Frank & Mary E. Richardson. I have tried, but have not been able to find a connection between Annie & the Richardsons. There is a death for Annie Fearnley Bolton Dec Qtr. 1903 Age 43 LMBD Farnworth Reference No. FTH/78/341 From experience, I have found that deaths registered in Farnworth for this time period, usually occurred at Fishpool [the workhouse] and the informant is usually the Master of the workhouse. But it might be worth an e mail to Bolton Register Office. e mail address [email protected] Not that any of this helps with the marriage you are looking for :-( HTH & Good luck. Regards from Ottawa, Canada Joan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:37:27 -0400 From: Joan Bridges <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Velvet Walks To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected][192.168.0.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Sarah is right. An excellent booklet on Bolton. I picked it up last year from Sweetens Bookshop, Deansgate. I then walked around the area, using the map the back cover. [Things have CHANGED!!!] "I belong to Bolton" by Norman Kenyon. Published in 1989 by Neil Richardson. ISBN 1 85216 041 1 ?3.25. The descriptions of conditions 70 years ago are pretty intense. Regards from Ottawa, Canada Joan ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:44:34 -0400 From: Joan Bridges <[email protected]> Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] 1871 NORTH Elizabeth To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected][192.168.0.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Sylvia, I am not long back from a trip to your part of the world. 15 hours from Vancouver to Sydney X;{ Glad you enjoyed Canada. Now it is back to the Ancestors. Regards Joan in Ottawa, Canada ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-LAN-BOLTON list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-LAN-BOLTON mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Joan Bridges wrote: >Sarah is right. An excellent booklet on Bolton. >I picked it up last year from Sweetens Bookshop, Deansgate. >I then walked around the area, using the map the back cover. >[Things have CHANGED!!!] > >"I belong to Bolton" by Norman Kenyon. Published in 1989 by Neil Richardson. >ISBN 1 85216 041 1 <snip> > > Interesting books like this one can often be obtained through various family history societies, such as the Manchester & Lancashire FHS at <http://www.mlfhs.org.uk>, The author, Norman KENYON, passed away in 2001. See http://archive.burytimes.co.uk/2001/5/5/679720.html for the Bolton Evening News article about him. Lynne

Hi Sylvia, I am not long back from a trip to your part of the world. 15 hours from Vancouver to Sydney X;{ Glad you enjoyed Canada. Now it is back to the Ancestors. Regards Joan in Ottawa, Canada

Sarah is right. An excellent booklet on Bolton. I picked it up last year from Sweetens Bookshop, Deansgate. I then walked around the area, using the map the back cover. [Things have CHANGED!!!] "I belong to Bolton" by Norman Kenyon. Published in 1989 by Neil Richardson. ISBN 1 85216 041 1 £3.25. The descriptions of conditions 70 years ago are pretty intense. Regards from Ottawa, Canada Joan

Hi Carol. I was in touch with you quite some time ago with regards the above. Like Sarah, I have searched and searched for Lydia's marriage without success. She is not on FBMD: LBMD or Lan-OPC. My interest is in John Thomas Fernley, Lydia's father. He married 'my' Elizabeth Ann Bromiley in 1905. His first wife, Annie [Partington Houghton] Fearnley was, I believe, at 29 Bullock St. Bolton in 1901 (RG13/3618/159/26) She was married, age 41, no occupation. She was a visitor in the home of Frank & Mary E. Richardson. I have tried, but have not been able to find a connection between Annie & the Richardsons. There is a death for Annie Fearnley Bolton Dec Qtr. 1903 Age 43 LMBD Farnworth Reference No. FTH/78/341 From experience, I have found that deaths registered in Farnworth for this time period, usually occurred at Fishpool [the workhouse] and the informant is usually the Master of the workhouse. But it might be worth an e mail to Bolton Register Office. e mail address [email protected] Not that any of this helps with the marriage you are looking for :-( HTH & Good luck. Regards from Ottawa, Canada Joan

Hi Carol, I only saw your mail by chance - i nearly missed it due to the subject line - i only have time to read those . Anyway I have checked what I have and unfortunately I don't have their marraige date, in fact i think it was you that supplied to me the fact they married an had son Ralph HB. I just had a quick look on BMD and could not find a marriage match listed. Maybe you could try lancs on line parish clerk if you think they married in the county. All i have for Lydia is that she was living in Bury on the 1901 census, prior to that - in 1891- she lived At Stock Hillock but was born on Glynne st Farnworth Bolton. Another kind lister, i think, supplied Lydia's mum, garndpa Ralph and the Farrand, Stanley forebears. On my notes I have that Harold was the son of John Bradshaw b. 1854 who in turn was the son of Joseph Bradshaw and Mary ( nee Smith) , although there are no sources here for that info. I have Ralph's siblings Deborah , Charlotte and George. I also got APHoughton/fernley's brother George who married Sarah Ann Cawley, and some of their kids - but i probbaly sent that to u already. I have been working on other lines of my tree as I am still no further with where or when Lydia's mum ( APHF) died. The Houghtons lived at Stott Hillock aka Stock Hillock, this seems to have been named after a cotton mill which was there at least from 1847 - my 1847 map shows it. later maps simply show it as a small group of houses with the mill gone. let me know if any of that is any use and where you are at with it all. Sarah essage: 3 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:02:57 -0700 From: "C.Laugher" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] ENG-LAN-BOLTON Digest, Vol 3, Issue 119 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]a9e> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi List I am trying to get some dates on my Grandparents marriage, in the past Sarah Fernley has helped me with this info so hopefully she will see this message an could help me again. I need to know the marriage dates for Lydia Faith Fernley & Harold Bradshaw I assume they were married in England, Harold was born 17/9/1887 & Lydia was born 13/11/1887. I hope Sarah or someone can help me with the date of this marriage. Many thanks Cheers Carol

The local history booklet written by P .Kenyon is good for info on Velvet Walks area of Bolton, the lodging houses etc. Unfortunately I don't have the title - but someone on this list will know, if you're interested, as it's widely available in Bolton- something like "A Bolton Childhood"

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