Sorry People but I guess I got too clever by half (must be an American expression) I wrote an e-mail about my g-g-g-grandfather the above John Collings (Collinge) and thought I would save myself some work and time by forwarding it to two other lists. Well, of course it didn't work (and I thought I was so clever {:>)) I am looking for my g-g-g-grandfather John Collings (Collinge) as I am hoping it might open a plethora of information. Wrong. John Collings was born circa 1796-1800 I don't know where he came from but my Uncle thought the family might be in the Oldham area. John Collings on Dec. 14, 1821 married Anne Hampson who was b St.Mary's Church Radcliffe 1799-1802 They moved to Radcliffe after the marriage where John was a counterpane weaver and rented 15 acres to be a husbandman. He died Dec. 27th, 1835 and was buried at St. Thomas Church,Raccliffe. Church records say he was 35 years old when he died so that would make him born in 1800. In 1836 the church sent settlement papers to Cheetham but the family remained in Radcliffe. They had four boys Thomas b. 23, matthew b. 1826 (my g-g-grandfaher) James b. 1829, and Hampson b. 1834. Hampson died when he was about 5. In 1841 Ann had an illigitimate daughter Sarah by Peter Settle. I am on social security if someone knows a good researcher that's good and not too outrageous, I would be interested. Donna Collinge Martens, Muskegon,Michigan DJMFLAG@aol.com I

That could explain it, though I am sure it was suggested he had a place of his own in the area. The programme is well worth watching, it is repeated several times on BBC4 over the next week. His collection was much bigger than just silent comedies, there are 36,000 videotapes as well as just about every other type of media. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS / Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-lan-bolton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Thornley Sent: 03 January 2011 23:31 To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Bolton and Bob Monkhouse Martin, In the 1950s/60s there was a shop that hired and sold cine films in Bolton, and I knew the proprietor at the time but I can't remember his name now. I'm fairly sure the shop was on Churchgate and he would regularly tell me that Bob Monkhouse had been looking for more films. Bob Monkhouse mostly collected films of the old silent comedians. I don't remember any suggestion that he had a property in Bolton, rather that he would call whenever his constant touring brought him within striking distance. That doesn't prove that he didn't have a house locally of course. If I remember any more about this I'll pass it on, or maybe this will nudge someone else's memory about the shop. I'll have to watch the BBC4 programme on the iPlayer. Regards, Bob On 03/01/2011 22:57, Martin Briscoe wrote: Just been watching the BBC4 programme about Bob Monkhouse and his large collection of comedy films, books, recordings. Whenever I have heard this discussed in the media I keep recalling been told years ago that he had stuff stored in a house in Bolton - around New Hall Lane. I have never been able to find any connection between him and Bolton so I don't understand this but sure I was told it at the time. I wonder if anyone remembers anything, it would be late 1950s / early 1960s I think. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS / Gwynedd FHS :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martin, In the 1950s/60s there was a shop that hired and sold cine films in Bolton, and I knew the proprietor at the time but I can't remember his name now. I'm fairly sure the shop was on Churchgate and he would regularly tell me that Bob Monkhouse had been looking for more films. Bob Monkhouse mostly collected films of the old silent comedians. I don't remember any suggestion that he had a property in Bolton, rather that he would call whenever his constant touring brought him within striking distance. That doesn't prove that he didn't have a house locally of course. If I remember any more about this I'll pass it on, or maybe this will nudge someone else's memory about the shop. I'll have to watch the BBC4 programme on the iPlayer. Regards, Bob On 03/01/2011 22:57, Martin Briscoe wrote: Just been watching the BBC4 programme about Bob Monkhouse and his large collection of comedy films, books, recordings. Whenever I have heard this discussed in the media I keep recalling been told years ago that he had stuff stored in a house in Bolton - around New Hall Lane. I have never been able to find any connection between him and Bolton so I don't understand this but sure I was told it at the time. I wonder if anyone remembers anything, it would be late 1950s / early 1960s I think. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS / Gwynedd FHS :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com

Just been watching the BBC4 programme about Bob Monkhouse and his large collection of comedy films, books, recordings. Whenever I have heard this discussed in the media I keep recalling been told years ago that he had stuff stored in a house in Bolton - around New Hall Lane. I have never been able to find any connection between him and Bolton so I don't understand this but sure I was told it at the time. I wonder if anyone remembers anything, it would be late 1950s / early 1960s I think. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS / Gwynedd FHS

That was really interesting, Kathy. Thanks! Carol McCullough Colvin Researching Bridge and Aspinall families, Bolton On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Kathy Swift Thompson <ksthompson@bresnan.net > wrote: > The death of Agathe von Trapp brought questions from my family on our > relationship to the von Trapps and I thought I'd pass this on to the > list. When I have answered their questions, I will post that as well, > in the meantime what follows is the von Trapp connection to Bolton. > A productive New Year to you all. Kathy > > Agathe von Trapp, 97, a member of the musical family whose escape > from Nazi-occupied Austria was the basis for The Sound of Music, died > Tuesday December 28 at a hospice in the Baltimore suburb of Towson > after suffering congestive heart failure in November. Agathe was the > oldest daughter of Austrian naval Capt. Georg Ritter von Trapp and > his first wife, Agathe Whitehead von Trapp. Their seven children were > the basis for the singing family in the 1959 play and 1965 film. Her > mother, Agathe Whitehead von Trapp was the granddaughter of Robert > Whitehead, inventor of the torpedo. Robert was born in Bolton (1823) > and went to Bolton Grammer School. At the age of 16 he was > apprenticed with the engineering firm Richard Ormerod & Son in > Manchester where one of his first jobs was the great span of the iron > roof of Manchester’s London Road railway station. Approximately 1846 > Robert left England to work in France and then in Austria (now > Northern Italy) where he set up his own business as a consulting > engineer. It was here that he developed the torpedo as it is known > today. Even though he lived most of his adult life abroad he always > maintained a residence and family ties in England. > Robert Whitehead’s oldest son, John (b. 1854), married Princess > Agathe of Breunner-Enkevoirth (b 1859). In 1912 their oldest > daughter, Agathe (b about 1887), was invited to launch a submarine > for the Austrian navy; she fell in love with the captain, Georg von > Trapp, and married him in 1912. They had seven children together: > Rupert, 1911–1992; Agathe, 1913–2010 ; Maria, 1914– ; Werner, 1915– > 2007 ; Hedwig, 1917–1972; Johanna, 1919–1994; and Martina, 1921–1952. > After World War I, Austria lost all of its seaports, and Georg > retired from the navy. Agathe died in 1922 of scarlet fever. The > family was devastated by her death and unable to bear living in a > place where they had been so happy, Georg sold his property in Pola > (now Pula, Croatia) and bought an estate in Salzburg. His second > wife, Maria was hired in 1926 as a tutor for Maria von Trapp who was > recovering from an illness. They were married in 1927. > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > Other people can learn from them! > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- <a href="http://www.upromise.com/guest/2130256601">Shop online through this link to help me pay for college!</a>

The death of Agathe von Trapp brought questions from my family on our relationship to the von Trapps and I thought I'd pass this on to the list. When I have answered their questions, I will post that as well, in the meantime what follows is the von Trapp connection to Bolton. A productive New Year to you all. Kathy Agathe von Trapp, 97, a member of the musical family whose escape from Nazi-occupied Austria was the basis for The Sound of Music, died Tuesday December 28 at a hospice in the Baltimore suburb of Towson after suffering congestive heart failure in November. Agathe was the oldest daughter of Austrian naval Capt. Georg Ritter von Trapp and his first wife, Agathe Whitehead von Trapp. Their seven children were the basis for the singing family in the 1959 play and 1965 film. Her mother, Agathe Whitehead von Trapp was the granddaughter of Robert Whitehead, inventor of the torpedo. Robert was born in Bolton (1823) and went to Bolton Grammer School. At the age of 16 he was apprenticed with the engineering firm Richard Ormerod & Son in Manchester where one of his first jobs was the great span of the iron roof of Manchester’s London Road railway station. Approximately 1846 Robert left England to work in France and then in Austria (now Northern Italy) where he set up his own business as a consulting engineer. It was here that he developed the torpedo as it is known today. Even though he lived most of his adult life abroad he always maintained a residence and family ties in England. Robert Whitehead’s oldest son, John (b. 1854), married Princess Agathe of Breunner-Enkevoirth (b 1859). In 1912 their oldest daughter, Agathe (b about 1887), was invited to launch a submarine for the Austrian navy; she fell in love with the captain, Georg von Trapp, and married him in 1912. They had seven children together: Rupert, 1911–1992; Agathe, 1913–2010 ; Maria, 1914– ; Werner, 1915– 2007 ; Hedwig, 1917–1972; Johanna, 1919–1994; and Martina, 1921–1952. After World War I, Austria lost all of its seaports, and Georg retired from the navy. Agathe died in 1922 of scarlet fever. The family was devastated by her death and unable to bear living in a place where they had been so happy, Georg sold his property in Pola (now Pula, Croatia) and bought an estate in Salzburg. His second wife, Maria was hired in 1926 as a tutor for Maria von Trapp who was recovering from an illness. They were married in 1927.

Jeff, I suggest you write to the GRO who must have some record of when the different formats for certificates were introduced & who designed them. Jean --- On Thu, 30/12/10, Jeff McGowen <post49online@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Jeff McGowen <post49online@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Helping People To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 30 December, 2010, 17:48 Hello my name is Jeff McGowan, I am wondering if you help me with a bit of information about BMD Certificates, Question-Who designed the current format or design for BMD Certificates, I have looked on the net but could not find an answer?

Happy 2011 to all listers! This morning's visit to the Lancashire OPC website found the following databases have been added to the collection: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 30 December 2010 Marriages 1855 to 1860 from the Church of St Michael-in-the-Hamlet, in the district of Aigburth, Liverpool Burials 1892 to 1908 from the Church of St Michael and All Angels in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Burials 1824 to 1833 from the Church of St Peter, in the District of Blackley, Manchester The completion of the Register of Burials for 1813 to 1833 Baptisms 1783 to 1807 and Burials 1727 to 1782 from the Church of St Katharine, Blackrod Banns 1824 to 1900 and Marriages 1837 to 1900 from the Church of St John the Baptist, Broughton Burials 1845 to 1852 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Marriages 1865 to 1873 from the Church of St Mark, in the District of Hulme, Manchester Baptisms 1895 to 1898 from the Church of St Stephen, in the District of Hulme, Manchester Burials 1803 to 1804 from the Church of St Nicholas, Liverpool Baptisms 1792 to 1812 from the Church of St Anne Richmond, Liverpool Marriages 1858 to 1866 from the Church of St Paul, Liverpool Marriages 1789 from the Collegiate Church, in the City of Manchester Baptisms 1876 to 1886 from the Church of St Thomas, Seaforth, Liverpool Regards, Sally

Thanks to Ellen for help in contacting Sharon

Hello my name is Jeff McGowan, I am wondering if you help me with a bit of information about BMD Certificates, Question-Who designed the current format or design for BMD Certificates, I have looked on the net but could not find an answer? --- On Thu, 30/12/10, Jean Murray <eeh_oop@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Jean Murray <eeh_oop@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Helping People To: eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 30 December, 2010, 4:33 Stuart, This website is for sharing information about bmd certificates [not images of the certificates themselves of course] http://bmdshare.com/ and has a good search facility. Presumably if you find a relevant certificate you can contact the poster to have a scan sent by email. Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Ashton" <stuart.a.ashton@gmail.com> > To: <eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com>; <eng-lan-leigh@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:42 AM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Certificate Sharing Websites > > > > Hi, > > Just a general question to the Bolton and Leigh crowd as I know you're a > > keen lot here.  Is there a web site I can upload all my certificates to > > for > > sharing?  I have about 250 of them for surnames in the Westhoughton and > > Leigh area and as they're very expensive I would prefer to share them.  I > > think there's one that our American cousins use but I seem to remember it > > didn't include any UK ones. > > > > Seems a waste to have them just stuck on my laptop. > > > > Best regards, > > Stuart > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > > Other people can learn from them! > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >       :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stuart, This website is for sharing information about bmd certificates [not images of the certificates themselves of course] http://bmdshare.com/ and has a good search facility. Presumably if you find a relevant certificate you can contact the poster to have a scan sent by email. Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Ashton" <stuart.a.ashton@gmail.com> > To: <eng-lan-bolton@rootsweb.com>; <eng-lan-leigh@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:42 AM > Subject: [ENG-LAN-BOLTON] Certificate Sharing Websites > > > > Hi, > > Just a general question to the Bolton and Leigh crowd as I know you're a > > keen lot here.  Is there a web site I can upload all my certificates to > > for > > sharing?  I have about 250 of them for surnames in the Westhoughton and > > Leigh area and as they're very expensive I would prefer to share them.  I > > think there's one that our American cousins use but I seem to remember it > > didn't include any UK ones. > > > > Seems a waste to have them just stuck on my laptop. > > > > Best regards, > > Stuart > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. > > Other people can learn from them! > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello all, Just to let you know that the search engine on the OPC website will search for all records added to the database up until 27th December - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html Regards, Sally

I am trying to make contact with Sharon Bunter in Australia with regards to a research project by a Tottington group on a mutual family member Ralph Rooney and his family Edgworth & Tottington. I have cooperated with Sharon in the past but I am unable to make contact . If anyone can help make contact again I would be grateful Keith Hurst Tottington

Just been having a look at the new format LDS FamilySearch site and going over some of my family. My earliest Briscoe is a marriage of Humphrey Briscoe to Alice TAYLOR in Bolton in 1773 - he was a weaver from Tonge I have previous seen some others earlier in the 1700s in Parish Church record and seeing some of these again on the LDS site. There seem to be a few deaths around 1726/1727/1728 so wondering if there was a reason for them or just coincidence (one might have been copied down wrong as 1712 or got two people mixed up). They seem to be Little Lever or Great Lever so could fit with Tonge. There is also a Hannah Briscoe buried 1 Oct 1728 she was single and it has her as L.B. presumably Little Bolton. Wondering if any ideas, need an extra generation or two so I can join them up with mine. There is a bit of guesswork in these but put them down some time ago to see if could link to any other records. Descendants of Peter BRISCOE ---------------------------- 1-Peter BRISCOE b. Abt 1645, Bolton Area, d. Bef 24 May 1727, Little Lever, Bolton, Lancashire +Elizabeth b. Abt 1671, Bolton Area, m. Bef 1705, d. 25 May 1712, Great Lever, Bolton, Lancashire |--2-Jane (BRISCOE?) b. Abt 1699, d. 8 May 1729, Bolton Area | +James KAY b. Bef 1707, d. After 1727 |--2-Elizabeth BRISCOE b. Abt 1701, Bolton Area, d. Bef 9 May 1726, Little | Lever,Bolton,Lancashire |--2-Peter BRISCOE b. Bef 1774, d. After 1774 | +Mrs Ann BRISCOE d. Bef 9 Jan 1774, Bolton Area |--2-Mary BRISCOE b. Abt 1708, Great Lever, Bolton, Lancashire, d. 25 May 1712, | Great Lever, Bolton, Lancashire |--2-John BRISCOE b. 24 Dec 1713, Great Lever, Bolton, Lancashire, d. 26 Dec | 1713, Great Lever, Bolton, Lancashire ---------------------------- Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS / Gwynedd FHS

Hello all, A bumper selection of records have been added to the OPC site: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 26 December 2010 Burials 1794 to 1808 from the Parish of Altham Burials 1842 to 1845 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Marriages 1839 to 1900 from the Parish of Chatburn Marriages 1893 to 1900 from the church of St George in the Parish of Chorley Burials 1823 to 1834 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Deane in Bolton Baptisms 1902 to 1913 from the Church of St Mark, in the District of Gorton, Manchester Marriages 1913 to 1925 from the Parish of Great Sankey Baptisms 1863 to 1900 from the Church of All Saints, Habergham The completion of the Register of Baptisms for 1845 to 1900 Marriages 1695 to 1757 from the Parish of Hambleton Burials 1753 to 1756 from the Church of St Helen, Hollinfare, in the Parish of Warrington Baptisms 1920 to 1947 from St Mary, Ince Marriages 1889 to 1899 from the Church of St Mary in the Parish of Lancaster Burials 1813 to 1901 from the Parish of Langho Replacing a a smaller batch of Burials for 1813 to 1824 from the BTs with the contents of the parish registers Banns 1890 to 1900 and Marriages 1895 to 1900 from the Parish of Longridge Baptisms 1862 to 1958 from the Church of St Mary in the Parish of Lowton Baptisms 1797 and Burials 1815 from the Collegiate Church (Cathedral), in the City of Manchester Marriages 1824 to 1828 and 1838 to 1840 from the Church of St Mary, Oldham Baptisms 1895 to 1900 from the Church of St Cuthbert in the Parish of Over Darwen Burials 1677 to 1713 from the Parish of Poulton le Fylde Baptisms 1870 to 1879 from the Parish of Prescot Burials 1802 to 1812 from the Parish of Ringley Marriages 1813 from St Chad in the Town of Rochdale Marriages 1864 to 1881 from St Paul in the Town of Southport Baptisms 1879 to 1891 from the Parish of Standish Burials 1730 to 1760 from St Elphin in the Parish of Warrington Baptisms 1816 to 1885 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Warrington Burials 1777 to 1812 from St Oswald in the Parish of Winwick Happy hunting!! Regards, Sally

I don't know of the family you mention, but on the 1911 census there is a William McGowan age 13 lodging with James Hargreaves and family who was the farmer at Garnet Fold Farm, Over Hulton (which is in the vicinity of the Red Lion Pub). It states William is a milk boy on the farm, and was born in Bolton. I hope this helps, Pam Clarke

> Did you find Hannah living with her parents and two of her children on > RG11-3838-124-44 (image available)? > No luck with Daniel. Hello Bob. Thanks for that, yes I had found her there, then Daniel is back with them on the 1891 census. Regards. Perle

Hello List. Can anyone help me find Danial BENTLEY on the 1881 census, I have been trying for many number of years to no avail. I have his birth certificate, born December 5, 1853 at Rhodes Brow, Pilkington Father also Daniel, foreman at bleachworks Mother Jane (formerly MARTIN). He married Hannah LEE October 14, 1876 when he was then living at Valletts Building. Her Father William was an iron dresser. I can track him on every census except 1881. The last one I have is 1911. Any help would be greatfully accepted. Regards. Perle Brooking. Younghusband South Australia.

Perle, Did you find Hannah living with her parents and two of her children on RG11-3838-124-44 (image available)? No luck with Daniel. Regards, Bob On 25/12/2010 07:12, Perle wrote: Hello List. Can anyone help me find Danial BENTLEY on the 1881 census, I have been trying f or many number of years to no avail. I have his birth certificate, born Decembe r 5, 1853 at Rhodes Brow, Pilkington Father also Daniel, foreman at bleachwork s Mother Jane (formerly MARTIN). He married Hannah LEE October 14, 1876 when he was then living at Valletts Building. Her Father William was an iron dresse r. I can track him on every census except 1881. The last one I have is 1911. Any help would be greatfully accepted. Regards. Perle Brooking. Younghusband South Australia. :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people can learn from them! :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:ENG-LAN-BOLTON-request@rootsweb.com