If you have Primitive Methodist ancestors in your tree, you may want to visit this site, the link to which was shared by Elaine on the Cheshire list: http://www.myprimitivemethodists.org.uk/ The site has its own message board, so you can post information or queries. If you do, please don't forget to share the information with us! Lynne

Hello all, A recent visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 22 March 2013 Marriages 1883 to 1905 from the Church of St John, Bolton Marriages 1795 to 1825 from the Roman Catholic Church of SS Peter and Paul, Bolton le Moors Baptisms 1864 to 1889 and Marriages 1899 to 1922 from Albert Place United Methodist Free Church, Bolton Baptisms 1875 to 1941 from Folds Primitive Methodist, Bolton Marriages 1859 to 1920 from Higher Bridge Street Primitive Methodist Chapel, Bolton Baptisms 1884 to 1960 from Zion Primitive Methodist, Daubhill, Bolton Baptisms 1896 to 1956 from Harvey St Primitive Methodist, Halliwell, Bolton 20 March 2013 Baptisms 1846 to 1849 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Bacup Replaces some BTs and extends the entries to present the complete Parish Register for 1838 to 1849 Burials 1938 to 1959 from Bacup Cemetery Baptisms 1926 to 1933 and Confirmations 1910 to 1920 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Marriages 1908 to 1914 from the Church of St Cuthbert, in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1980 to 1994, Confirmations 2007 to 2012 and Marriages 1911 to 1921 from the Church of St James, in the Parish of Briercliffe Marriages 1870 to 1886 from the Church of St Saviour, in the district of Everton, Liverpool Baptisms 1813 to 1845 and Burials 1803 to 1851 from the Church of St Thomas, in the District of Heaton Norris, Manchester Marriages 1882 to 1885 from the Parish of Hurst Completes the Register of Marriages for 1849 to 1885 Marriages 1839 to 1840 from the Church of St Our Lady and St Nicholas, Liverpool Marriages 1891 to 1915 from the Church of St Matthew, Liverpool Marriages 1847 to 1849 from the Church of St Mary in the City of Manchester Marriages 1900 to 1933 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Mawdesley with Bispham Marriages 1855 to 1856 and 1860 to 1862 and Burials 1693 to 1725 and 1771 to 1775 from St John in the Town of Preston Marriages 1895 to 1928 from St George, in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

The Bolton branch of the Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society (MLFHS) (http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/Bolton/) will hold its next meeting on Wednesday April 3rd. We have Graham Stirrup reminiscing about "Life in the Fifties", with some film clips covering headlines events at home and abroad that "shaped our post war world." The venue as usual is Bolton Cricket Club, Bishops Road, Farnworth BL3 2JB. The meeting will start at 7.30 pm, and there will be a Help Desk available to assist personal research afterwards. All enquiries to Barbara Owen, Secretary, at 01204 309515.

Additions from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 6 March 2013 Small batch of corrections to miscellaneous marriages 14 March 2013 Amended 8,747 Births for West Lancashire RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Bickerstaff (1837-1929) Added 10,000 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Royton (1911-1923); Springhead (1911-1927); Saddleworth (1912-1921); Chadderton (1911-1921); Crompton (1913-1921) Added 16,016 Deaths for Manchester RD comprising: Didsbury (1837-1885) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hello all, Today's visit to the OPC website found the following databases had been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html. The search engine was last updated on 6th of March, so the records shown below will not be included in the returns of any general searches using the search form. 15 March 2013 Marriages 1873 to 1878 from the Church of St Paul, Blackburn Burials 1785 to 1837 from Chapel Street Independent, Blackburn Baptisms 1800 to 1805 and 1851 to 1855, Marriages 1787 to 1794 and 1896 to 1906 and Burials 1798 to 1809 and 1850 to 1852 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Baptisms 1854 to 1858 from the Church of St George, Pendleton Baptisms 1669 to 1782 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Rufford Baptisms 1773 to 1782 from the Church of St Leonard in the Parish of Walton le Dale Regards, Sally

Morning Listers, This morning's visit to the OPC found the following databases have been added - also the search engine has been updated to include these batches as well as the entire set of records - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 6 March 2013 Baptisms 1896 to 1902 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Hale, Liverpool Marriages 1813 to 1816 from the Church of St Anne Richmond, Liverpool Baptisms 1858 to 1859 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Regards, Sally

Hello all, Todays visit to the Lancs OPC website found the following records have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 5 March 2013 Burials 1936 to 1940 from the Roman Catholic Church of Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, Aspull, in the Town of Wigan Marriages 1933 to 1956 from the Independent Methodist Chapel in the Parish of Atherton  Marriages 1947 to 1957 from the Church of St George, Bolton Marriages 1905 to 1915 from the Church of St John, Bolton Baptisms 1844 to 1952 from Higher Bridge Street Primitive Methodist Chapel, Bolton Marriages 1921 to 1972 from the Church of St John the Baptist in the Parish of Bretherton Completes the Register of Marriages for 1843 to 1972 Marriages 1921 to 1972 from the Church of St John the Baptist in the Parish of Burscough Burials 1765 to 1781 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Updated to extend the date range and add some missing entries Banns 1972 to 1975 from Christ Church in the District of Kensington, Liverpool Marriages 1829 to 1833 from the Church of St Mary in the City of Manchester Replaces an older transcript with the contents of the Parish Registers Burials 1902 to 1909 from the Church of St John the Divine, Pemberton Baptisms 1850 to 1861 and Marriages 1868 to 1892 from the Church of St Clement, Toxteth, Liverpool Completing the Register of Baptisms for 1850 to 1876 Marriages 1925 to 1932 from the Church of St Andrew in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

Additions from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 2 March 2013 Added 9,516 Births for Salford RD comprising: Barton on Irwell (1906-1906); Broughton (1906-1906); Salford Greengate (1906-1906); Pendleton (1906-1906); Salford Regent Road (1906-1906); Worsley (1906-1906 Added 15,996 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Hulme (1900-1906) Added 10,015 Births for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn (1966-1973) Amended 5,492 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Padiham (1890-1901) Added 375 Marriages for Wigan and Leigh RD comprising: Scot Lane Primitive Methodist, Aspull (1951-1965); Primitive Methodist Church, Platt Bridge, Hindley (1951-1962); Primitive Methodist Church, Ashton Street, Higher Ince (1954-1968); Bethel Chapel, Atherton Road, Hindley Green (1951-1969); Primitive Methodist Church, Bolton Road, Stubshaw Cross, A-in-M (1952-1967); Primitive Methodist Church, Preston Road, Standish (1953-1971); Methodist Church, Taylors Lane, Ince (1961-1967); Christ Church, Millgate, Wigan (1951-1968); Primitive Methodist Church, Woodford St.Lamberhead Green (1954-1962); Baptist Church, King Street, Wigan (1953-1969); Hope Congregational Church, Wigan (1951-1973) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cheshire BMD has also been updated. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

Hello Listers, This mornings visit to the OPC website found the following databases have been added: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 4 March 2013 Marriages 1952 to 1966 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Abram Baptisms 1813 to 1829 from the Church of St Lawrence in the Parish of Denton Baptisms 1743 to 1787 from the Church of St John the Baptist in the Parish of Lees (or Hey) Marriages 1729 to 1754 from All Saints, in the District of Newton Heath, Manchester Regards, Sally

Additions from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 23 January 2013 Added 2,025 Births for Bury RD comprising: Elton (1901-1908) Amended 19,965 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Colne (1878-1892) 29 January 2013 Amended 8,508 Births for Rochdale RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Whitworth and Brandwood (1837-1852); Wuerdle and Wardle (1837-1860) Amended 11,037 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Colne (1892-1901) Amended 6,006 Births for West Lancashire RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Halsall (1837-1925) 5 February 2013 Added 24,045 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Ardwick (1909-1911); Saint George (1909-1917) Amended 6,006 Births for West Lancashire RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Halsall (1837-1925) Amended 63,394 Births for Wigan and Leigh RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Leigh & Golborne (1911-1950); Atherton (1893-1951); Hindley (1904-1950); Leigh (1837-1939) Added 12,511 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Oldham East (1911-1931) Added 33,907 Marriages for St Helens RD comprising: St. Helens Register Office or Registrar Attended (1935-1954); St Matthews Thatto Heath (1988-1990); Christ Church Eccleston (1840-1990); St James Haydock (1975-1990); St Mark Haydock (1910-1985); St Peter Newton (1845-1990); All Saints, Newton (1916-1975); St Peters Parr (1974-1990); St Helens Parish (1837-1973); St Marks, St Helens (1887-2005) Added 4,730 marriages for Salford RD comprising ALL CofE, Authorised person and Register Office/Registrar Attended marriages for 1944 9 February 2013 Added 4,241 Births for North Sefton RD comprising: Formby (1886-1888); North Meols (1886-1888) Added 52,030 Deaths for Manchester RD comprising: Ardwick (1837-1883) 14 February 2013 Amended 19,896 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Nelson (1895-1899); Padiham (1837-1869); Pendle (1837-1928) Added 2,194 Marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended (1974-1983) 19 February 2013 Added 4,054 Births for Bury RD comprising: Elton (1908-1914); Ramsbottom (1901-1907) Amended 10,001 Births for Burnley RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Padiham (1869-1890) Added 14,517 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Oldham South (1911-1931) Added 430 Marriages for Hyndburn RD comprising: Rawtenstall, St James Church (1974-2007); Edenfield, Primitive Methodist Chapel (1944-1953); Oswaldtwistle, St Mary's Roman Catholic Church (1987-1993) Added 1,075 Marriages for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended (1974-1975) ~ ~ ~ ~ Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

News from UKGDL (Genealogical Directories and Lists), the companion site to UKBMD: "New Functionality on UKGDL - Occupations and Apprentices. "We have gone through all the sites we link to on UKGDL making note of all occupation and apprentice lists and indexes, plus ones with specific information about an occupation. "There is a new menu button on UKGDL called Occupations. This new Occupations option allows you to refine the search of occupations/apprentices to your specific area of interest, or browse through the list of occupations. "For example: "Refining the list using the word 'farrier' will bring up a shortened list of 'apprentice farrier' and 'farrier', you can select one or more of the available occupations and list the sites that have related information. "Lots of occupations included, blacksmiths, railway workers, photographers, public house licensees, miners, seamen and many many more. We have also included sites which list mayors, freemen, churchwardens etc. "There are also links to sites which list old occupations and descriptions. "Remember to look for similar occupations. Seaman, Mariner, and Merchant Navy may bring up a slightly different list of links." Happy searching! Lynne

18 February 2013 Burials 1853 to 1927 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Bacup Morning all, Here are the latest additions to the Lancs OPC website: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html Baptisms 1994 to 2001 and Confirmations 1913 to 1983 from the Church of St James, in the Parish of Briercliffe Marriages 1845 to 1850 and 1896 to 1907 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Burnley Confirmations 1909 to 1956 from the Church of St Cuthbert, in the Parish of Burnley Baptisms 1887 to 1866 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary Magdalene in the Parish of Burnley Burials 1914 to 1920 from Burnley Cemetery Updated to include the 28 new burials omitted from the original transcript Burials 1877 to 2002 from Wheatley Lane Inghamite, in the Parish of Fence in Pendle Baptisms 1925 to 2012, Confirmations 1947 to 1972, Banns 1937 to 1981, Marriages 1937 to 2011 and Burials 1940 to 2012 from the Church of St Margaret in the Parish of Hapton Baptisms 1985 to 2003 from the Church of St Anne and St Elizabeth, Padiham Green 11 February 2013 Baptisms 1886 to 1898 from the Church of St James in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Confirmations 1861 to 1871 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary in the Parish of Clayton le Moors Marriages 1864 to 1870 from the Church of the Holy Trinity in the Parish of Habergham Eaves Burials 1886 to 1889 from Immanuel in the Parish of Oswaldtwistle Regards, Sally

>From the Burnley Express, 4 February 2013 (http://www.burnleyexpress.net/community/peek-into-the-past/plan-to-demolish-burnley-mill-and-build-new-homes-1-5380405): "A FORMER Burnley cotton mill could be bulldozed to make way for new houses. "There are plans to flatten Queen’s Mill to make way for 18 new affordable homes on the site in New Hall Street. "The Victorian-era mill, which was build during the 1880s, is currently used as a storage unit for a manufacturing firm. "But developers Great Places Housing will be able to redevelop the site if the proposals are given the green light by Burnley Council’s Development Control Committee on Wednesday night. "Two, three and four bedroom homes with private rear gardens and parking spaces could be constructed on the site which borders Cameron Street and Elm Street. "Outline planning permission for 15 new homes had been granted on the site in February 2008 but the permission was not implemented by developers and lapsed in 2011. "But if the latest application is granted, the plans would see the mill completely demolished along with an existing sub-station to make way for the 18 new homes. "Planning consent was also given for 12 new homes at Livingstone Mill in Elm Street last March to Oriental Developments. "A further outline application for residential developments granted for nearby Cameron Mill in Howsin Street has now lapsed." Hope this is of interest. Lynne

Hello all, Today's visit to the OPC found the following records have been added, and once again the search engine has been updated to include all records on the site: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 8 February 2013 Baptisms 1890 to 1905 from the Church of St Matthew, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester Baptisms 1700 to 1744 from the Parish of Cockerham Baptisms 1806 to 1807, 1825 to 1828 and 1831 to 1834, Marriages 1929 to 1942 and Burials 1782 to 1797, 1842 to 1846 and 1863 to 1864 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Burials 1862 to 1873 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Francis of Assisi, in the District of Gorton, Manchester Marriages 1849 to 1851 from the Church of St Mary in the City of Manchester Baptisms 1813 to 1823 from All Saints, in the District of Newton Heath, Manchester 7 February 2013 Marriages 1934 to 1949 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Hale, Liverpool Marriages 1853 to 1854 and 1862 to 1863 from St John in the Town of Preston Regards, Sally

Sally, Just had another look at the 1843/Darwen Margaret - I think we can rule out that one as it looks like she died the same year. The birth records of the children in the 1861 census do give the impression that someone was using the name Nutter indiscriminately with Nuttall. I suppose about the only thing you would get from a certificate that isn't in the Parish record is the address, I don't think the way that the civil certificates were completed gave any scope for a reputed father, the fathers name was either there or it wasn't. I can't see a bastardy order in the Lancashire Archives that would cast any light on it - the Blackburn Petty sessions ones seem to start in 1845, before that I think it would be either the overseers or Quarter Sessions and searches on "bastardy" and "Nutter" or Nuttall" come up with nothing useful. Did you locate the family in 1851 - I would expect them to be in the Brindle/Withnell area but I haven't found them yet. I couldn't see the death of a Margaret Nutter between 1842 and 1851 of about the right age, nor could I see a likely Margaret Nutter in the 1851 census which is why I suspect Margaret Nutter was an alias of Margaret Nuttall (or vice-versa). Bob On 07/02/2013 13:30, sally roberts wrote : > Hello Bob, > > I THINK the 1841 census entry is my Elizabeth/Betty, as her marriage certificate gives her father as John Nuttall, and there is a gentleman by that name with a wife called Margaret in the same street.... > > 1841 > Name: John Nuttall > Age: 40 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 > Gender: Male > Where born: Lancashire, England > Civil Parish: Blackburn > Street address: Moor Street > Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver > John Nuttall 40 > Margaret Nuttall 40 > > Name: Betty Nuttall > Age: 18 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 > Gender: Female > Where born: Lancashire, England > > Civil parish: Blackburn > Street Address: Moor Street > Occupation: Cotton Rover > Betty Nuttall 18 > > That would also fit in with: > Baptism: 9 Nov 1822 St Paul, Blackburn, Lancs. > Betty Nuttall - Daur of John Nuttall & Margt. > Born: 19 Oct 1822 > Abode: Os. > Source: LDS Film 1470928 > > as Betty was born in Daisy Green, Oswaldtwistle. > > With regard to the Nutter entry, that does indeed look to be very interesting. I can bet my bottom dollar that there will be no information on a reputed father if the baptism doesn't state anything. But it might be worth a punt on getting the certificate anyway. > > Many thanks!! > > Regards, > Sally > > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

Hello Bob, I THINK the 1841 census entry is my Elizabeth/Betty, as her marriage certificate gives her father as John Nuttall, and there is a gentleman by that name with a wife called Margaret in the same street.... 1841 Name: John Nuttall Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Blackburn Street address: Moor Street Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver John Nuttall 40 Margaret Nuttall 40 Name: Betty Nuttall Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Gender: Female Where born: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Blackburn Street Address: Moor Street Occupation: Cotton Rover Betty Nuttall 18 That would also fit in with: Baptism: 9 Nov 1822 St Paul, Blackburn, Lancs. Betty Nuttall - Daur of John Nuttall & Margt. Born: 19 Oct 1822 Abode: Os. Source: LDS Film 1470928 as Betty was born in Daisy Green, Oswaldtwistle. With regard to the Nutter entry, that does indeed look to be very interesting. I can bet my bottom dollar that there will be no information on a reputed father if the baptism doesn't state anything. But it might be worth a punt on getting the certificate anyway. Many thanks!! Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:32:03 +0000 > From: familyhistory@bccy.org.uk > To: eng-lan-blackburn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BLACKBURN] Margaret Nuttall born abt 1842 > > Sally, > > Is your Elizabeth Nuttall the Betty Nuttall living at Moor St in 1841 at > the house of Betty Pemberton ? > > Could Margaret be : > > Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843 > Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's > Maiden Name Reference > NUTTALL Margaret Darwen Blackburn TALBOT D/6/92 > > With Elizabeth having been previously married ? > > The other odd thing is that in your 1861 Census I can identify Edward & > Thomas as having a mothers maiden surname as Nuttall, John is clearly > the one where the MMS is recorded as Nutter (born Brindle/Withnell) as > is James (1843) but Alice don't seem to match - the 1844 on in > Tottington seems unlikey as there are other Haworth/Nuttall births > around the same time. > > All this leads me to! think this may be your Margaret : > > Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1842 > Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's > Maiden Name Reference > NUTTER Margaret Blackburn Blackburn NUTTER B/13/64 > > Baptism: 12 Mar 1842 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England > Margaret Nutter - [Child] of Elizabeth Nutter, Spinster > Born: 11 Mar 1842 > Abode: Blackburn > Notes: P: [in margin] > Baptised by: C. James > Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1842, Page 291 > Source: LDS Film 1278805 > > Or at least worth a look. What do you think ? > > Bob

Sally, Is your Elizabeth Nuttall the Betty Nuttall living at Moor St in 1841 at the house of Betty Pemberton ? Could Margaret be : Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference NUTTALL Margaret Darwen Blackburn TALBOT D/6/92 With Elizabeth having been previously married ? The other odd thing is that in your 1861 Census I can identify Edward & Thomas as having a mothers maiden surname as Nuttall, John is clearly the one where the MMS is recorded as Nutter (born Brindle/Withnell) as is James (1843) but Alice don't seem to match - the 1844 on in Tottington seems unlikey as there are other Haworth/Nuttall births around the same time. All this leads me to think this may be your Margaret : Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1842 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference NUTTER Margaret Blackburn Blackburn NUTTER B/13/64 Baptism: 12 Mar 1842 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England Margaret Nutter - [Child] of Elizabeth Nutter, Spinster Born: 11 Mar 1842 Abode: Blackburn Notes: P: [in margin] Baptised by: C. James Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1842, Page 291 Source: LDS Film 1278805 Or at least worth a look. What do you think ? Bob On 07/02/2013 10:36, sally roberts wrote : > Hello all, > > My great great grandmother was Margaret Nuttall, born abt 1842 according to census entries, in Blackburn. > > She was the illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Nuttall, and her mother married a Thomas Haworth 16 July 1842 in St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn. The Haworth family lived for many years in Fort Street, and Margaret also lived in Manner Sutton Street and Forrest Street after her marriage to a John Slater in 1865. > > Here comes my query.... There is no birth certificate for a birth of a Margaret Nuttall/Nuttal at that time in Blackburn. There is an entry on the OPC... > > Baptisms: 3 Jun 1844 St Peter, Blackburn, Lancashire, England > Margaret Nutall - Child of Betty Nutall, spinster > Abode: Cleaver St. Blackburn > Notes: P [Written in margin] > Baptised by: T. Sharples > Register: Baptisms 1821 - 1855, Page 135, Entry 1074 > Source: LDS Film 1849642 > > .... and Cleaver Street is in the same area that Margaret lived in for most of her life. Sadly there is also a birth certificate issued for 1844, so I'm pretty sure that this isn't my Margaret as her mother was married to Thomas Haworth at this time. > > On Margaret's marriage certificate to John Slater, there is no father's name shown, so even though her birth and her mother's marriage are close in time, it appears Thomas Haworth wasn't her biological father. (John Slater's father is also not noted - a genealogy nightmare :O) ) > > Does anyone have any ideas as to what I could do next to try and fathom out Margaret's birth certification? It's been niggling at me for years. I don't need it to go back in the tree - her mother Elizabeth is the stumbling block for that :O) - as I don't expect to find any information about a father on it, but until I know that for sure, it still irks me. The only time Margaret was referred to as a Nuttall was in 1861... > > Thomas Haworth 40 M Head Cotton Warper Blackburn, Lancashire > Elizabeth 38 M Wife Daisy Green, Lancashire > Margaret Nuttall 19 U Dau Cotton Weaver Blackburn, Lancshire > James 17 U Son > Alice 15 U Dau > Edward 13 Son > Thomas 11 Son > John 9 Son > > But there's no corresponding birth information for a Haworth, and she married under the name of Nuttall. > > So.... any ideas, anyone?? > > Regards, > Sally > >

Hello all, My great great grandmother was Margaret Nuttall, born abt 1842 according to census entries, in Blackburn. She was the illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Nuttall, and her mother married a Thomas Haworth 16 July 1842 in St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn. The Haworth family lived for many years in Fort Street, and Margaret also lived in Manner Sutton Street and Forrest Street after her marriage to a John Slater in 1865. Here comes my query.... There is no birth certificate for a birth of a Margaret Nuttall/Nuttal at that time in Blackburn. There is an entry on the OPC... Baptisms: 3 Jun 1844 St Peter, Blackburn, Lancashire, England Margaret Nutall - Child of Betty Nutall, spinster Abode: Cleaver St. Blackburn Notes: P [Written in margin] Baptised by: T. Sharples Register: Baptisms 1821 - 1855, Page 135, Entry 1074 Source: LDS Film 1849642 .... and Cleaver Street is in the same area that Margaret lived in for most of her life. Sadly there is also a birth certificate issued for 1844, so I'm pretty sure that this isn't my Margaret as her mother was married to Thomas Haworth at this time. On Margaret's marriage certificate to John Slater, there is no father's name shown, so even though her birth and her mother's marriage are close in time, it appears Thomas Haworth wasn't her biological father. (John Slater's father is also not noted - a genealogy nightmare :O) ) Does anyone have any ideas as to what I could do next to try and fathom out Margaret's birth certification? It's been niggling at me for years. I don't need it to go back in the tree - her mother Elizabeth is the stumbling block for that :O) - as I don't expect to find any information about a father on it, but until I know that for sure, it still irks me. The only time Margaret was referred to as a Nuttall was in 1861... Thomas Haworth 40 M Head Cotton Warper Blackburn, Lancashire Elizabeth 38 M Wife Daisy Green, Lancashire Margaret Nuttall 19 U Dau Cotton Weaver Blackburn, Lancshire James 17 U Son Alice 15 U Dau Edward 13 Son Thomas 11 Son John 9 Son But there's no corresponding birth information for a Haworth, and she married under the name of Nuttall. So.... any ideas, anyone?? Regards, Sally

Hello all, This morning's visit to the OPC website found the following records have been added. The search engine has also been updated from the 6th February, so that any searches will return information from ALL the databases - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ : 6 February 2013 Baptisms 1828 to 1837 from the New Jerusalem Church, Bolton Marriages 1895 to 1901 from the Church of St John the Divine, Pemberton Updated and completed using the Original Registers at Wigan Archives Baptisms 1936 to 1950 from St Catharine, Scholes, in the Town of Wigan Baptisms 1885 to 1927 from St Thomas, in the Town of Wigan Regards, Sally

Thank you Mike, I have searched the electoral rolls without success. I would dearly like to find one or more of these people, and maybe use surface mail to make contact. Thanks again. David -----Original Message----- From: Michael Robinson Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:27 PM To: Eng-Lan Subject: Re: [BLACKBURN] CUMPSTEY family David, As you would like to locate the author. Marriage: 1976 Knowsley RD Merseyside John M Cumpstey to Joan E Dawber Birth of sons: Iaw(Ian?) 1977 Neil 1977. Both Manchester. Maybe some of the family is still around Manchester. Have you considered paying for a search of the Electoral Rolls? Mike > From: david@hells-bay.co.uk > To: ENG-LAN-BLACKBURN@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:15:42 +0000 > Subject: [BLACKBURN] CUMPSTEY family > > Hello, > > I have a document which in places is barely legible. It is entitled “A > brief history of the CUMPSTEY family during 17th to 19th centuries”. > > I have no idea where I obtained it and despite many internet searches I > have been unable to trace it or the author and his family.. The > introductory words are “These notes have been written by John Michael > CUMPSTEY after research carried out with much help from his wife Joan and > sons Ian and Neil”. It carries no date, but it mentions the 1891 census so > I believe it was written after 1990 . > > I wonder if anyone on the list is familiar with it, as it refers in many > ways to characters in my line of research. > > There is one thing that is troubling me that I hope someone will be able > to comment on: > a.. In my research I have William CUMPSTEY b. 1741, a son of James and > Jenet both b. 1707 who married Ellen Erskine b. 1737 and had eight > children together. > b.. In the “brief history” it shows that same William b. 1734 married Jane > Robinson and also had eight children with different names to my records > with the exception of Newsham CUMPSTEY b. 1769, and John Latus CUMPSTEY b. > 1768. > I would like to locate the author of the document in my possession, and I > would hope to hear from anybody who knows anything about this line of > research. > > Thanks, > > David