I have tried to view this several times over the past months, but all I get is a blank rectangle with a little red cross in the upper-left corner. Anybody know why? Josie

Dear Gary Many thanks for the 1841 Census going online. I am transcribing the 1881 Census but have no plans for the 1851. If I can get hold of a full set of images from Ancestry.com I will do the 1901 over the next year or so unless someone else wants to do it. Best wishes - Bob Chown Gary Samson <gsamson@goldbern.co.uk> wrote: Is anyone transcribing the 1851 census for Woodchurch? When I've finished stitching together the transcriptions Jon, Josie and I have produced of the 1871 census, I thought I'd move on to 1851. However, if someone's already quietly beavering away on this I wouldn't want to duplicate their effort. Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent NOW Available! 'A Stroll Around the Green' www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/stroll.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning All My thanks to Gary. I had seen this before. If anyone wants a text to go with this, then I could oblige Cheers - Jon Chaplin -----Original Message----- From: eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gary Samson Sent: 20 May 2007 22:39 To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Panorama of Woodchurch Village Green Just stumbled across this on the BBC's web site, a panorama of the Village Green taken on a summer's afternoon: www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/panoramas/woodchurch_360.shtml Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent Now Available! 'A Stroll Around the Green' www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/stroll.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just stumbled across this on the BBC's web site, a panorama of the Village Green taken on a summer's afternoon: www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/panoramas/woodchurch_360.shtml Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent Now Available! 'A Stroll Around the Green' www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/stroll.htm

John Sorry about Joseph, should read James, brain fade !!. James (Jimmy) was a very distant cousin of mine as were many of the Homewood family. Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" <john@worldswonder.co.uk> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Bourne > Hi Philip, > Sorry but who was Joseph in relation to James? > > John > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip > Whitehead > Sent: 10 May 2007 21:05 > To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Bourne > > John > I can help with James Bourne Homewood. He was the son of Richard Bourne > Homewood and g grandson of Sophia Bourne. His father Richard Bourne > Homewood > > ran the Stonebribge Arms in Woodchurch around 1891. > Richards brother George married Margaret Bourne and his sister Eliza Emily > married George Bourne, so there was quite a Bourne connection. > James Bourne' Homewood's mother died when he was 3 years old so I guess he > went to live with his aunt. > Joseph can also claim to have aunts and uncles in the King, Pearson,Hart, > Dunster and Cox families. > > Philip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <john@worldswonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:24 PM > Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Bourne > > >> Can anyone help please? >> >> >> >> I am researching the history of the Worlds Wonder Public House, and am >> trying to find details on one James Bourne of Woodchurch, born about >> 1839, >> his wife Martha born about 1840 and nephew James B Homewood. >> >> >> >> I would appreciate any assistance ith information on any or all of the >> above. >> >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> >> >> John Roberts >> >> Worlds Wonder >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is anyone transcribing the 1851 census for Woodchurch? When I've finished stitching together the transcriptions Jon, Josie and I have produced of the 1871 census, I thought I'd move on to 1851. However, if someone's already quietly beavering away on this I wouldn't want to duplicate their effort. Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent NOW Available! 'A Stroll Around the Green' www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/stroll.htm

Dear All, I've now put online Bob Chown's transcription of the 1841 census for Woodchurch. You'll find it, along with the rest of the growing Woodchurch Census Collection, at: www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/census Thanks again, Bob. Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent Woodchurch Then & Now www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/thenandnow.htm

Sorry Gary, I read the other e-mail and thought you ask what was happening onthe census? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Samson" <gsamson@goldbern.co.uk> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] NOW ONLINE - Woodchurch Census 1861 > Gizza chance, Bob! I haven't yet received (the other) Bob's transcript > of the 1841 census. > > :-) > > Gary Samson > Canterbury, Kent > > *Now available* 'A Stroll Around the Green' > www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/stroll.htm > > Robert Sear said the following on 19.05.2007 10:57: >> Gary >> >> no 1841 on the page, other than that page OK. >> >> Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Excuses, excuses! No, seriously, the census search is great......very easy to use, both to search for names and to go through the whole thing street by street. Thanks a lot (both of you) for doing it. Josie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Samson" <gsamson@goldbern.co.uk> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] NOW ONLINE - Woodchurch Census 1861 > Gizza chance, Bob! I haven't yet received (the other) Bob's transcript > of the 1841 census. > > :-) > > Gary Samson > Canterbury, Kent

Gizza chance, Bob! I haven't yet received (the other) Bob's transcript of the 1841 census. :-) Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent *Now available* 'A Stroll Around the Green' www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/stroll.htm Robert Sear said the following on 19.05.2007 10:57: > Gary > > no 1841 on the page, other than that page OK. > > Bob

Gary no 1841 on the page, other than that page OK. Bob

Hi Lindsay, Thank you for your email. I'm sorry you've been having difficulties using the census web site. Would you be a bit more specific about the problem(s) you've experienced. Does the main census page (the one where you can choose between 1861 and 1891) load at all? Are you having problems with searching and browsing the census information? Does the clickable link embedded in the announcement email not work? If it doesn't, you may have more luck with the full address, which is: http://www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/census/index.php Would also tell me which browser you're using. All the best Gary lindsay pearson said the following on 19.05.2007 02:48: > Hi Gary, > I seem to be having some problems getting onto the censud website. Can you > help. > Lindsay

Oops! You're absolutely right; now corrected. Yes, please do send me your transcript of the 1841 census. Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent *Now Available* 'A Stroll Around the Green' www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/stroll.htm BOB CHOWN said the following on 19.05.2007 06:42: > Dear Gary > > Many thanks > > A small point. 1891 should read Bob Chown with Josie Mackie. 1861 Bob Chown. > > Would you like yhe 1841 Census? > > Bob Chown >

Dear Gary Many thanks A small point. 1891 should read Bob Chown with Josie Mackie. 1861 Bob Chown. Would you like yhe 1841 Census? Bob Chown Gary Samson <gsamson@goldbern.co.uk> wrote: Hi Everyone, I've now put online Bob Chown's transcription of the 1861 census for Woodchurch. You'll find it, along with the rest of the growing Woodchurch Census Collection, at: www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/census Thanks again, Bob. Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent Woodchurch Then & Now www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/thenandnow.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gary, I seem to be having some problems getting onto the censud website. Can you help. Lindsay >From: Gary Samson <gsamson@goldbern.co.uk> >Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com >To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] NOW ONLINE - Woodchurch Census 1861 >Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:25:26 +0100 > >Hi Everyone, > >I've now put online Bob Chown's transcription of the 1861 census for >Woodchurch. You'll find it, along with the rest of the growing >Woodchurch Census Collection, at: > > www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/census > >Thanks again, Bob. > > >Gary Samson >Canterbury, Kent > >Woodchurch Then & Now >www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/thenandnow.htm > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Shrek the Third, Only at the Movies from June 7. http://direct.ninemsn.com.au/adclick/CID=02fd853b0000000000000000

Hi Everyone, I've now put online Bob Chown's transcription of the 1861 census for Woodchurch. You'll find it, along with the rest of the growing Woodchurch Census Collection, at: www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/census Thanks again, Bob. Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent Woodchurch Then & Now www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/thenandnow.htm

Hello one and all I am now trying to trace the baptism of a Thomas Swineyard, also recorded as Swinyer and Swiniar amongst others, who married Margaret Essex in Woodchurch in 1631. My research as ascertained that Thomas was a newcomer to the village where he then settled after his marriage.I would be interested to learn if anybody who has researched the Essex family or who has details of the records within the Parish Chest for that period can give me any information on Thomas that might help trace where he might have come from or even his age. I have already eliminated some of the neighbouring parishes to Woodchurch but would appreciate any advice from members who may have details of the Swinier/Swineyard family from research they have undertaken into their own families in other parishes. Great Chart has been mention as a possibility but any parish to the north/north west of Woodchurch may hold the key as two families known then as Swannard/Swinerde and Swynnerden have been found in Staplehurst and Teston in the 1570's. Thanks for any help you can give. Dave Swinerd Guildford

I have Francis John KING as being born 26th March 1870, Woodchurch, and as dying 31st January 1958, New Forest, Hampshire. I don't have any sources for this information as in the early days my program at the time didn't have any capacity to record sources. Catharine BROWN was my Greatgrandfather's sister. Regards Glynn Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:14 AM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Congratulations for the 1891 census but noluck in finding a member of my King family > Hi All > > Well done for the 1891 census of Woodchurch. However, I still have > trouble finding Francis John King born 1870 in Woodchurch the son of John > King and Catherine Brown. Francis John King was also known as John King > or Jack King or just Francis King. He was living with his parents and > grandfather Smith King in the 1871 census as John King in Lower Green, > Woodchurch and in the 1881 census living with his parents as Francis John > King in Lower Green, Woodchurch. > > Now I may have said this before when I first joined and sorry if I am > repeating myself or repeating a quest for help. However, FJK or whatever > he likes to be called (as above) is nowhere whatsoever in the 1891 census > throughout England (tried ancestry.co) despite minimal info I have put in > the search boxes (am normally quite good in finding the most elusive but > this has beaten me). By 1901 census he partnered up with Fanny - real > name Frances Mary Arnold born c1877 in Sussex (or Smith as you will see > later) she sometimes called herself Fanny/Frances/Mary - also they had > children by then William or Albert King born c1897; Thomas John King born > c1899; and Phoebe King born 1901. Now William/Albert (there was name > changes here) and Thomas John King never had their births registered - > reason is because they were Gypsies and did not believe in registering the > children's births. Out of their total 9 children only about 3 were > registered despite it became law in 1875. Howeve! > r, they believed in baptisms. > > Now PHOEBE King her birth was registered (I bet the authorities in that > area ensured it was registered!!) - great - and she was born 11th March > 1901 in Lower Green, Woodchurch - the daughter of John King ('General > Dealer') and Fanny Smith and it was registered on 17th March 1901 whilst > still living in Lower Green. So you may think I will have luck in finding > them in the 1901 census wouldn't you seeing that the census was on 31 > March 1901 and thus she was born 20 days after the census and her birth > was registered 14 days after the censu - but no I have not found them > (Phoebe should be on the census at least!!) - I trawled through the > Woodchurch 1901 census page by page via Ancestry.co and no luck - I was > not just looking out for the King name - just even their maiden names or > even just the word Gypsies (as sometimes happen). Sometimes the word > Gypsies is just put down in baptisms - however, no luck Phoebe was sadly > not baptised in Woodchurch. Gypsies also tended to find ! > a church in a area where the vicar was acceptable to Gypsies and baptised > all their children in that particular church. Francis John King was > baptised there so can not understand why they did not have Phoebe or any > of their other children there baptised there. All I can think of is that > they really did avoid the enumerator or the enumerator dropped the census > forms off one day and when he went back to collect them they had moved on > (like Gypsies do). > > In the 1891 and 1901 census you may find a Francis and his wife Frances > King - Francis being born in Woodchurch and Frances being born High Halden > and lived in both census in Lower Green, Woodchurch - and I almost thought > THAT IS THEM - but no - that Francis was born c1864 (7 years before mine) > and his real name is William Francis Smith King who liked to be called > FRANCIS and he married Frances Jane Blackman. I am not expecting to find > Fanny/Frances with FJK in the 1891 census as she was living with her > parents in a tent in Crowborough, Sussex under surname Arnold age 13 (her > parents did not marry and thus I think her mother's name was Smith as that > is what Fanny called herself when she registered the birth of Phoebe - > they loved to confuse people and avoid the authorities. However, FJK has > to be somewhere in the 1891 census and they both have to be there in the > 1901 census - but I know I may never ever find them. > > I have gone up to Sussex Record Office in Lewes twice now and have > searched loads of parishes but to no avail (as I have evidence they lived > in Crowborough area around 1912 and 1920 (in 1915 popped over to the New > Forest - birth registered of one of their children) but no evidence before > that > > It is a shame that one can not search just the forename in the Woodchurch > online database - you never know may find them. Bob would that be a > possibility and also Bob have you come accross any entries in the > Woodchurch parish records online or the new 1891 census online that look > unusual or out of place or people there with no surname please? > > So if anyone has any ideas or any information would be very grateful to > hear from them. > > Regards > > Suzanne King > > > FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING > > Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London > Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon > Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex > Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada > (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) > Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon > Hendry - East London > King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All Well done for the 1891 census of Woodchurch. However, I still have trouble finding Francis John King born 1870 in Woodchurch the son of John King and Catherine Brown. Francis John King was also known as John King or Jack King or just Francis King. He was living with his parents and grandfather Smith King in the 1871 census as John King in Lower Green, Woodchurch and in the 1881 census living with his parents as Francis John King in Lower Green, Woodchurch. Now I may have said this before when I first joined and sorry if I am repeating myself or repeating a quest for help. However, FJK or whatever he likes to be called (as above) is nowhere whatsoever in the 1891 census throughout England (tried ancestry.co) despite minimal info I have put in the search boxes (am normally quite good in finding the most elusive but this has beaten me). By 1901 census he partnered up with Fanny - real name Frances Mary Arnold born c1877 in Sussex (or Smith as you will see later) she sometimes called herself Fanny/Frances/Mary - also they had children by then William or Albert King born c1897; Thomas John King born c1899; and Phoebe King born 1901. Now William/Albert (there was name changes here) and Thomas John King never had their births registered - reason is because they were Gypsies and did not believe in registering the children's births. Out of their total 9 children only about 3 were registered despite it became law in 1875. However, they believed in baptisms. Now PHOEBE King her birth was registered (I bet the authorities in that area ensured it was registered!!) - great - and she was born 11th March 1901 in Lower Green, Woodchurch - the daughter of John King ('General Dealer') and Fanny Smith and it was registered on 17th March 1901 whilst still living in Lower Green. So you may think I will have luck in finding them in the 1901 census wouldn't you seeing that the census was on 31 March 1901 and thus she was born 20 days after the census and her birth was registered 14 days after the censu - but no I have not found them (Phoebe should be on the census at least!!) - I trawled through the Woodchurch 1901 census page by page via Ancestry.co and no luck - I was not just looking out for the King name - just even their maiden names or even just the word Gypsies (as sometimes happen). Sometimes the word Gypsies is just put down in baptisms - however, no luck Phoebe was sadly not baptised in Woodchurch. Gypsies also tended to find a church in a area where the vicar was acceptable to Gypsies and baptised all their children in that particular church. Francis John King was baptised there so can not understand why they did not have Phoebe or any of their other children there baptised there. All I can think of is that they really did avoid the enumerator or the enumerator dropped the census forms off one day and when he went back to collect them they had moved on (like Gypsies do). In the 1891 and 1901 census you may find a Francis and his wife Frances King - Francis being born in Woodchurch and Frances being born High Halden and lived in both census in Lower Green, Woodchurch - and I almost thought THAT IS THEM - but no - that Francis was born c1864 (7 years before mine) and his real name is William Francis Smith King who liked to be called FRANCIS and he married Frances Jane Blackman. I am not expecting to find Fanny/Frances with FJK in the 1891 census as she was living with her parents in a tent in Crowborough, Sussex under surname Arnold age 13 (her parents did not marry and thus I think her mother's name was Smith as that is what Fanny called herself when she registered the birth of Phoebe - they loved to confuse people and avoid the authorities. However, FJK has to be somewhere in the 1891 census and they both have to be there in the 1901 census - but I know I may never ever find them. I have gone up to Sussex Record Office in Lewes twice now and have searched loads of parishes but to no avail (as I have evidence they lived in Crowborough area around 1912 and 1920 (in 1915 popped over to the New Forest - birth registered of one of their children) but no evidence before that It is a shame that one can not search just the forename in the Woodchurch online database - you never know may find them. Bob would that be a possibility and also Bob have you come accross any entries in the Woodchurch parish records online or the new 1891 census online that look unusual or out of place or people there with no surname please? So if anyone has any ideas or any information would be very grateful to hear from them. Regards Suzanne King FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon Hendry - East London King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest

Dear Robert Try sending it direct to me at bob.chown@btinternet.com not through the Woodchurch website. Many thanks Bob Chown Robert Sear <robert.sear@ntlworld.com> wrote: Bob I sent 1881 census to you but I have recieved a message mail held because it is over 40kb and to big for the site to handle? Do you have another e-mail I can send it to? Robert ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message