Josie Thanks for your reply. No further information has as yet come to hand so may be in touch soon. Regards Dave Swinerd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] SWINYARD > Dear Dave, > > Was anyone able to help with your Swinyard query? I don't have any information that might help, but an idea. If you are looking for where the Swinyards lived before they came to Woodchurch, the Deposition papers may help you. These give information about witnesses (or deponents) in church cases: name, residence, occupation, how long he or she had been living there, and often his or her period of residence in other parishes if relevant to the case. Perhaps most important of all, the deposition gives the person's age and where he or she was born. The problem is there's a lot of them to look through! An index (roughly 1541-1755) has been made of some of them by a professional genealogist, but being a professional, you would have to pay. I have used this index for my Back family and got some good results. e.g. one of my Backs in the 16th century was involved in a case against the vicar of Wye. I got some useful biographical information about him. However, I then used it! > for my Beslees and came up with absolutely nothing, so it's a bit of a gamble. You might end up paying for nothing. Still, I hesitate to advertise on the Woodchurch 14+ mailing list ( although I am not in any way involved in the business!) so if you wish to know more about the service, contact me off list and I'll supply the details. > > best wishes, > > Josie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Josie, re message 4 june. My 3rd Stepgrandmother was Winifred Hart 1775? She was a widow when she married James Pearce in 1822,but have no idea what her maiden name was. Looking through the births on the list I can find no Winifred at that time, nor is there any possible marriage to a Hart either. One possibility is the non conformist lists where ever they may be. Is anyone in the 14+ looking to do these? Or does anyone know how to access them ? Most certainly, the Harts are as illusiveas my Edward Pearce , all I know is he was in Woodchurch between 1731 and 1764 but nothing more. Sheila Windsor.

Dear Sheila I am trying to transcribe the Non-Conformist Registers for those born 'of Woodchurch'. They appear to be from about 1795 to 1835. I have not found any earlier. I have a Winifred Hart 'spinster of this parish' marrying a William King at Woodchurch 19th October 1825. Two sets of Banns. No relation I asume. Have you tried Kent Look Up Exchange and David Hills for Kent Marriages 1754-1911? Best wishes - Bob Chown Sheila Windsor <sheilawindsor@clear.net.nz> wrote: Josie, re message 4 june. My 3rd Stepgrandmother was Winifred Hart 1775? She was a widow when she married James Pearce in 1822,but have no idea what her maiden name was. Looking through the births on the list I can find no Winifred at that time, nor is there any possible marriage to a Hart either. One possibility is the non conformist lists where ever they may be. Is anyone in the 14+ looking to do these? Or does anyone know how to access them ? Most certainly, the Harts are as illusiveas my Edward Pearce , all I know is he was in Woodchurch between 1731 and 1764 but nothing more. Sheila Windsor. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a quick reminder that the Woodchurch 14+ mailing list, in common with all RootsWeb lists, does not allow attachments. I know this restriction can seem inconvenient when you have information you'd ike to share, but it does stop the transmission of viruses, trojans and other nasties. For more information, see: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent Woodchurch 'Then & Now' www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/thenandnow.htm On 05.06.2007 10:31 lindsay pearson said the following: > Hi Laura, > I have attached a tree for you. Hope It helps. Maybe you can fill in some of > the gaps for me. > I visited Woodchurch back in 1989. Would love to get back there again oneday > but it is a long way from Brisbane Australia. > Cheers > Lindsay Pearson

Hi Laura, I have attached a tree for you. Hope It helps. Maybe you can fill in some of the gaps for me. I visited Woodchurch back in 1989. Would love to get back there again oneday but it is a long way from Brisbane Australia. Cheers Lindsay Pearson >From: Ptottman@aol.com >Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Hello from a new member >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:34:30 EDT > >I am researching the paternal side of my family tree at present and wonder >whether anyone has any information as to a william PEARSON 1779 to 1861 >who >was born and died in woodchurch.His wife was called Elizabeth and she was >quite >alot older than him.I am trying to find out who his parents are. > >The only people I can see it might be are william PEARSON and Mercy KING >who >married in 1777. > >I visited Woodchurch last week and went to the museum which was very >interesting and Woodchurch is such a pretty place!! > >Many Thanks > >Laura Tottman (nee Pearson) > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Win�a�$7000 DJ mixing system with MOS - Sessions 4. http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=788&referral=hotmailtagline&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=2396

Dear Gary A good idea. Bob Chown Gary Samson <gsamson@goldbern.co.uk> wrote: Dear Peter, I had thought of adding an additional field to each of the census databases. This new field would be modifiable, only by Woodchurch 14+ members, so that individual records could be annotated, as you suggest. We already have a limited-access wiki successfully running behind the scenes, managing information and organisation for the 1871 exhibition. It would certainly be possible to link software like this to the census transcription databases but, I think, an editable field for each of the censuses might be easier to implement. I'll investigate and see what the more practical solution might be. All the best Gary Peter Walker said the following on 31.05.2007 08:39: > Of course, ideally we would have some way of annotating these records where > we have more information about the individual, but I realise that this is > non-trivial (though I do wonder if a self-service wiki would be something we > could all contribute to, either on Gary's site or my 14+ site). In the > meantime, many thanks to all concerned. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Liz I cannot help you on why the father's details were crossed out and 'Number 22' substituted. I think Richard, Mary's father, may have been a witness, one of four. I do not think this happens elsewhere in Woodchurch marriages. With regard to the Private Baptism, you are correct. The child was not expected to live so the Baptism was done as quickly as possible, usually in church but sometimes at home. If the child recovered another Baptism, this time 'Public' could have occurred. A note in the margin 'P.B. since died' is quite common. As you all realise, I like where ever possible to include the Rector/Curate and his notes. They were all different and registered CMBs slightly differently. This was also true with the Census Enumerators. Best wishes - Bob Chown Elizabeth Shoosmith <liz.shoosmith@btinternet.com> wrote: Couple of questions. I have noticed in the marriage details for James King and Mary Bourne Baker that both fathers have "father's name crossed out - Number 22 added" under the details. Any ideas what this means or why? Also on the baptism record for Jane Baker 4 March 1852 there is "Curate - Privately admitted July 11th 1852 F. Walter". Does this suggest that Jane was possibly a sickly child and the baptism needed doing quick just in case anything happened to her? This is probably the case as she was buried 2 December 1852 aged 9 months. **Liz Shoosmith (nee Baker) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lindsay Thank you for replying...unfortunately i did not get the attachment...can you send it to my actual email _ ptottman@aol.com_ (mailto:ptottman@aol.com) Many thanks Laura

Bob, I should clarify, if it wasn't clear, that the census database is correct, it is the original enumeration that is wrong - you can't blame that on findmypast or any of us trying to create modern indexes. But it would be good to have the facility to add personal notes (as Ancestry allows, to a degree) to give more information to members. I see that both Gary and yourself see the benefit in this. Peter _____ From: BOB CHOWN [mailto:bob.chown@btinternet.com] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:58 To: peter.john.walker@gmail.com; eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] NOW ONLINE - Woodchurch Census 1881 Dear Peter Many thanks for your kind words. I now include two fields in the transcribed Census databases. The first is 'Details' where the enumerator writes something that is outside the normal classifications. The other is 'Notes' where I include some information that I think would help anyone trying to sort out their Woodchurch family genealogy. Clearly I have the benefit of all the CMB, MI and Census databases online and an unlimited use contract with Findmypast. If the original entry has anything odd about it I try to double check it elsewhere. I would suggest the 'Notes' Field is a suitable place for annotating the records. I will include your notes on Sarah Jane Holyer in the next release I send to Gary. This is probably a good place to add a few comments about the quality of the Woodchurch Findmypast household transcriptions on which all searches of that database are based. When transcribing the 1861 Census, I started to compare my transcription with the Findmypast household transcriptions to find that about 90% had errors. Preparing these, sending them and recording their implementation was very time consuming and labourious. About 15% of surnames were wrong. Ages, addresses and town where born had about the same error rate. Forenames were good. I wrote Transcription Error Reports for most of those I found but have not done so for the 1891, 1881 or 1841 Census transcriptions. I just got fed up with it after about 200. It is something I would appreciate member's help with if their find the same situation with their Woodchurch ancestors in any of the Findmypast, Ancestry.com etc. transcriptions. I believe all other transcriptions may have the same problem e.g. KING/ RING, BARMAN/BANNAN. I am currently transcribing the Woodchurch Christenings/Baptisms 1675 to 1989 and I used the KFHS transcriptions as a start point. I transcribed 1813-1842 to find the KFHS transcription only contained about 20% for that period. This represented nearly 1000 missed. I have also done 1675 to 1702 and that seems close to 100%. I would appreciate some feedback. Best wishes - Bob Chown

Dear Peter, I had thought of adding an additional field to each of the census databases. This new field would be modifiable, only by Woodchurch 14+ members, so that individual records could be annotated, as you suggest. We already have a limited-access wiki successfully running behind the scenes, managing information and organisation for the 1871 exhibition. It would certainly be possible to link software like this to the census transcription databases but, I think, an editable field for each of the censuses might be easier to implement. I'll investigate and see what the more practical solution might be. All the best Gary Peter Walker said the following on 31.05.2007 08:39: > Of course, ideally we would have some way of annotating these records where > we have more information about the individual, but I realise that this is > non-trivial (though I do wonder if a self-service wiki would be something we > could all contribute to, either on Gary's site or my 14+ site). In the > meantime, many thanks to all concerned.

The family tree that my great aunt Emmie wrote out has a Carrie Baker born 1858 marrying a Ring or King and having a daughter called Olive. I have no other information although there is a Caroline Baker in 1881 Census born in Woodchurch about 1853. There is also Mary Bourne Baker who married James King on 18 November 1863. Another one with "father's name crossed out - Number 22 added" in the fathers details of both bride and groom. Liz Shoosmith (nee Baker)

Couple of questions. I have noticed in the marriage details for James King and Mary Bourne Baker that both fathers have "father's name crossed out - Number 22 added" under the details. Any ideas what this means or why? Also on the baptism record for Jane Baker 4 March 1852 there is "Curate - Privately admitted July 11th 1852 F. Walter". Does this suggest that Jane was possibly a sickly child and the baptism needed doing quick just in case anything happened to her? This is probably the case as she was buried 2 December 1852 aged 9 months. **Liz Shoosmith (nee Baker)

Dear Peter Many thanks for your kind words. I now include two fields in the transcribed Census databases. The first is 'Details' where the enumerator writes something that is outside the normal classifications. The other is 'Notes' where I include some information that I think would help anyone trying to sort out their Woodchurch family genealogy. Clearly I have the benefit of all the CMB, MI and Census databases online and an unlimited use contract with Findmypast. If the original entry has anything odd about it I try to double check it elsewhere. I would suggest the 'Notes' Field is a suitable place for annotating the records. I will include your notes on Sarah Jane Holyer in the next release I send to Gary. This is probably a good place to add a few comments about the quality of the Woodchurch Findmypast household transcriptions on which all searches of that database are based. When transcribing the 1861 Census, I started to compare my transcription with the Findmypast household transcriptions to find that about 90% had errors. Preparing these, sending them and recording their implementation was very time consuming and labourious. About 15% of surnames were wrong. Ages, addresses and town where born had about the same error rate. Forenames were good. I wrote Transcription Error Reports for most of those I found but have not done so for the 1891, 1881 or 1841 Census transcriptions. I just got fed up with it after about 200. It is something I would appreciate member's help with if their find the same situation with their Woodchurch ancestors in any of the Findmypast, Ancestry.com etc. transcriptions. I believe all other transcriptions may have the same problem e.g. KING/ RING, BARMAN/BANNAN. I am currently transcribing the Woodchurch Christenings/Baptisms 1675 to 1989 and I used the KFHS transcriptions as a start point. I transcribed 1813-1842 to find the KFHS transcription only contained about 20% for that period. This represented nearly 1000 missed. I have also done 1675 to 1702 and that seems close to 100%. I would appreciate some feedback. Best wishes - Bob Chown Peter Walker <peter.john.walker@gmail.com> wrote: Hi folks, This is an excellent resource and a great addition to the site. Checking out my Holyers (all present and correct), I was reminded that the Jane Holyer shown in 1861 as the grandaughter of Martha Hook was actually her great-grandaughter and her registered name was Sarah Jane Holyer. Moral: even an accurate transcription inevitably repeats the errors of those enumerated and the enumerators themselves. Of course, ideally we would have some way of annotating these records where we have more information about the individual, but I realise that this is non-trivial (though I do wonder if a self-service wiki would be something we could all contribute to, either on Gary's site or my 14+ site). In the meantime, many thanks to all concerned. By the way, I must apologise, but it looks as if I won't be able to make the 7th July meeting - I have to take my daughter on a university open day. Best Wishes Peter Walker Hollyer~Holyer~Hollier One Name Study Web: http://www.hollyer.name Blog: http://hollyer.blogspot.com/ DNA: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Hollyer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Josie, I have some Hart connections but not of the ones you mention however my info might be of some use to you if you don't already have it. Mary Jane Hart c1885 Tenterden d 23 Oct 1926 Woodchurch m 12 Oct 1904 to Albert Henry Pearson b 24 July 1884 d 16 Nov 1960 also Mary Hart c1753 m John Pearson @ Woodchurch on 25 March 1778 b 1753 d 29 April 1805 Cheers Lindsay >From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> >Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com >To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] HART >Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:46:38 +0100 > >Dear All, >Is there anyone interested in the Hart family who could help me? >My great great grandfather, George Coleman, had a sister Kitty, who married >a William Hart in Woodchurch in 1837. The marriage record gives William >Hart's father as another William Hart, shoemaker. >After 1837 both Kitty and her husband, after a quick glance at Gary's >website, appear to have vanished. I wondered if anyone with Hart >connections knows what happened to them? >Thanks, Josie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D29219&_t=762256209&_r=june07_endtext_search&_m=EXT

I am researching the paternal side of my family tree at present and wonder whether anyone has any information as to a william PEARSON 1779 to 1861 who was born and died in woodchurch.His wife was called Elizabeth and she was quite alot older than him.I am trying to find out who his parents are. The only people I can see it might be are william PEARSON and Mercy KING who married in 1777. I visited Woodchurch last week and went to the museum which was very interesting and Woodchurch is such a pretty place!! Many Thanks Laura Tottman (nee Pearson)

Dear All, Is there anyone interested in the Hart family who could help me? My great great grandfather, George Coleman, had a sister Kitty, who married a William Hart in Woodchurch in 1837. The marriage record gives William Hart's father as another William Hart, shoemaker. After 1837 both Kitty and her husband, after a quick glance at Gary's website, appear to have vanished. I wondered if anyone with Hart connections knows what happened to them? Thanks, Josie

Hi Lindsay: Thanks for clearing that up! Regards Martin. lindsay pearson wrote: >Hi Martin, >I have no idea what I was thinking when I sent that last e-mail. The Mercy >King and William Pearson are in fact the same as yours. > >William Pearson b 21 April 1745, d 19 May 1805 >Married 14 Dec 1777 at Woodchurch to >Mercy King c 21 March 1756, d 9 Jan 1807 > >I hope that clears it up > >Cheers >Lindsay >Brisbane, Australia > > > > >>From: Martin Willcocks <martinwill2@comcast.net> >>Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com >>To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING >>Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:29:15 -0600 >> >>Hi Lindsay: >> >>Very Interesting ... >>AFAIK, Benjamin KING c. Cranbrook 20 Aug 1732 and Elizabeth RAPSON were >>married at Woodchurch 11 Oct 1755. >>Mercy KING their first daughter was c. 21 Mar 1756 Woodchurch (so >>marriage of parents was probably while Elizabeth was pregnant already!) >>and I have her marrying William PEARSON 14 Dec 1777 at Woodchurch.when >>she was 21. >> >>Is this a different Mercy KING and a different William PEARSON? The >>dates are different and it seems strange that you have them born around >>1745 and marrying 1807 at age 53? >> >>Regards >>Martin Willcocks >>Taylorsville, UT, USA. >> >>lindsay pearson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Lindsay Pearson here, >>>I have a MERCY KING c 1745 m 9 Jan 1807 (Woodchurch) to WILLIAM PEARSON >>> >>> >>c >> >> >>>1745. Does anyone have more details on this Mercy King. >>> >>>Regards >>>Lindsay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> >>>>Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com >>>>To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >>>>Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING >>>>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:49:20 +0100 >>>> >>>>Hi Carol >>>> >>>>It's Suzanne King here - All I know is that Sophia was a widow by 1851 >>>>census and the only Benjamin King I could find in the Death INDEXES (not >>>>online Woodchurch records) was in 1844 in the reg district of Tenterden >>>>(thus may have been buried in other parishes in the Tenterden Reg >>>>District). >>>>I would be very intrigued as to who this other Benjamin King was - the >>>> >>>> >>son >> >> >>>>of Samuel King - did this come from the death certificate of the >>>> >>>> >>Benjamin >> >> >>>>King who died in 1844 in Tenterden Reg District. As normally they do >>>> >>>> >>not >> >> >>>>always give parents names in burials. Good luck in your search and if >>>> >>>> >>you >> >> >>>>find out anything else be most interested. >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>>Suzanne >>>> >>>> >>>>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >>>> >>>>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >>>>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >>>>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >>>>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada >>>>(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) >>>>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >>>>Hendry - East London >>>>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >>>>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >>>> >>>>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >>>>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >>>>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >>>>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada >>>>(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) >>>>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >>>>Hendry - East London >>>>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "John & Carol King" <jandcking@talktalk.net> >>>>To: <ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:54 PM >>>>Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi is there anyone out there who has managed to find a death for >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>BENJAMIN >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>KING b Aug 1790 m SOPHIA BOURNE. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I believe that some people have it recorded as being in 1844, and I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>myself >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>went down this route sometime ago, but the only death that I found was >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>fact a BENJAMIN KING, son of SAMUEL KING labourer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I have been advised that a Richard Collins or Susan King may know the >>>>>answer, but I have no means of contacting them, are they reading this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Or >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>else can some kind person forward this message to them please? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Many thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Carol King >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> >>>> >>without >> >> >>>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Advertisement: Are you paid what you're worth? 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Hi Martin, I have no idea what I was thinking when I sent that last e-mail. The Mercy King and William Pearson are in fact the same as yours. William Pearson b 21 April 1745, d 19 May 1805 Married 14 Dec 1777 at Woodchurch to Mercy King c 21 March 1756, d 9 Jan 1807 I hope that clears it up Cheers Lindsay Brisbane, Australia >From: Martin Willcocks <martinwill2@comcast.net> >Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com >To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING >Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:29:15 -0600 > >Hi Lindsay: > >Very Interesting ... >AFAIK, Benjamin KING c. Cranbrook 20 Aug 1732 and Elizabeth RAPSON were >married at Woodchurch 11 Oct 1755. >Mercy KING their first daughter was c. 21 Mar 1756 Woodchurch (so >marriage of parents was probably while Elizabeth was pregnant already!) >and I have her marrying William PEARSON 14 Dec 1777 at Woodchurch.when >she was 21. > >Is this a different Mercy KING and a different William PEARSON? The >dates are different and it seems strange that you have them born around >1745 and marrying 1807 at age 53? > >Regards >Martin Willcocks >Taylorsville, UT, USA. > >lindsay pearson wrote: > > >Hi Lindsay Pearson here, > >I have a MERCY KING c 1745 m 9 Jan 1807 (Woodchurch) to WILLIAM PEARSON >c > >1745. Does anyone have more details on this Mercy King. > > > >Regards > >Lindsay > > > > > > > > > >>From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> > >>Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com > >>To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> > >>Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING > >>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:49:20 +0100 > >> > >>Hi Carol > >> > >>It's Suzanne King here - All I know is that Sophia was a widow by 1851 > >>census and the only Benjamin King I could find in the Death INDEXES (not > >>online Woodchurch records) was in 1844 in the reg district of Tenterden > >>(thus may have been buried in other parishes in the Tenterden Reg > >>District). > >>I would be very intrigued as to who this other Benjamin King was - the >son > >>of Samuel King - did this come from the death certificate of the >Benjamin > >>King who died in 1844 in Tenterden Reg District. As normally they do >not > >>always give parents names in burials. Good luck in your search and if >you > >>find out anything else be most interested. > >> > >>Regards > >> > >>Suzanne > >> > >> > >>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING > >> > >>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London > >>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon > >>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex > >>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada > >>(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) > >>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon > >>Hendry - East London > >>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest > >>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING > >> > >>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London > >>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon > >>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex > >>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada > >>(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) > >>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon > >>Hendry - East London > >>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "John & Carol King" <jandcking@talktalk.net> > >>To: <ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-L@rootsweb.com> > >>Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:54 PM > >>Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi is there anyone out there who has managed to find a death for > >>> > >>> > >>BENJAMIN > >> > >> > >>>KING b Aug 1790 m SOPHIA BOURNE. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>I believe that some people have it recorded as being in 1844, and I > >>> > >>> > >>myself > >> > >> > >>>went down this route sometime ago, but the only death that I found was > >>> > >>> > >>in > >> > >> > >>>fact a BENJAMIN KING, son of SAMUEL KING labourer. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>I have been advised that a Richard Collins or Susan King may know the > >>>answer, but I have no means of contacting them, are they reading this? > >>> > >>> > >>Or > >> > >> > >>>else can some kind person forward this message to them please? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Many thanks > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Carol King > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without > >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Advertisement: Are you paid what you're worth? 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Hi Carol Well have tried to solve this puzzle for you but am afraid no luck. I did a freeBMD search for death of just Benj* (no surname) for Tenterden and any other district from 1841-1900 (thus in 1900 he be 110 years old as he bap 1790) but no luck. I just do not understand it. Reason why I sometimes use just forename is because there could be mispelling of surname KING I have found it in census as mistranscribed as RING before and as you know my Kings tend to use different surnames. I also tried just using name King and see what came up and did notice that there were 2 male deaths in 1841 and 1846 in Tenterdon district so checked this out to see if any births correlated with the deaths and they did so thus they were babies (no ages given in indexes at this time) and thus not possibly be Benjamin. What I do know is that the indexes whether by FreeBMD or the actual images of the indexes there is always that possibility that a death was not transcribed onto the indexes and therefore one should contact Tenterden Registration District (see Genuki for address) and ask them if they could look at their own indexes or see if they have a death certificate for a Benjamin King between 1841-1851 stating that you already have one certificate in your possession which is not the one you are after and explain that he is not on the GRO indexes and that it may be a possibility he was not transcribed onto the indexes. Also what I do find strange is why was he not buried in Woodchurch where he and his wife Sophia were living. However, Sophia was also not buried in Woodchurch. Somebody had informed me that Sophia died in Tenterden Workhouse in 1865 and I did notice in one of the census she was on Parish Relief. So was Benjamin in the Workhouse before he died. So I think also that you may want to search Tenterden parish church for his burial. I do know that with my Kings and doing Gypsy Research that although one may not always find every birth and marriage registered there will always be a DEATH registered. So in my opinion he died between 1841 and 1851 and is not on the GRO indexes and hence thus can not get a death certificate. I have a CD here of Poor Law Records for Mid Kent - I will see what it comes up with. So good luck with contacting the Register Office in Tenterden and hope you will find it and would appreciate to know the outcome. Bye for now Suzanne King FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon Hendry - East London King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Carol King" <jandcking@talktalk.net> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING > Hi Suzanne > > Like you I knew that Sophia was a widow in 1851 & that they were both > alive > in 1841, so when I found this death I applied for the certificate. > > It states Benjamin King died on 22 Aug 1844 in Eboney, male, the age is > not > readable, but states that he was the son of Samuel King and that he died > of > Dropsy. The informant was Eliza?? King (possibly mother although this is > not > stated). The registration district was Tenterden. > > Benjamin & Sophia was my husband's 3x great grandparents, so I would > really > like to find his death, I cannot believe that it's not out there > somewhere, > so any information at all would be very gratefully received. > > Best wishes Carol > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > suzanne.king2 > Sent: 01 June 2007 17:49 > To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING > > Hi Carol > > It's Suzanne King here - All I know is that Sophia was a widow by 1851 > census and the only Benjamin King I could find in the Death INDEXES (not > online Woodchurch records) was in 1844 in the reg district of Tenterden > (thus may have been buried in other parishes in the Tenterden Reg > District). > > I would be very intrigued as to who this other Benjamin King was - the son > of Samuel King - did this come from the death certificate of the Benjamin > King who died in 1844 in Tenterden Reg District. As normally they do not > always give parents names in burials. Good luck in your search and if you > find out anything else be most interested. > > Regards > > Suzanne > > > FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING > > Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London > Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon > Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex > Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada > (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) > Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon > Hendry - East London > King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest > FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING > > Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London > Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon > Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex > Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada > (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) > Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon > Hendry - East London > King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John & Carol King" <jandcking@talktalk.net> > To: <ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:54 PM > Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING > > >> Hi is there anyone out there who has managed to find a death for BENJAMIN >> KING b Aug 1790 m SOPHIA BOURNE. >> >> >> >> I believe that some people have it recorded as being in 1844, and I >> myself >> went down this route sometime ago, but the only death that I found was in >> fact a BENJAMIN KING, son of SAMUEL KING labourer. >> >> >> >> I have been advised that a Richard Collins or Susan King may know the >> answer, but I have no means of contacting them, are they reading this? >> Or >> else can some kind person forward this message to them please? >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> Carol King >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Suzanne Like you I knew that Sophia was a widow in 1851 & that they were both alive in 1841, so when I found this death I applied for the certificate. It states Benjamin King died on 22 Aug 1844 in Eboney, male, the age is not readable, but states that he was the son of Samuel King and that he died of Dropsy. The informant was Eliza?? King (possibly mother although this is not stated). The registration district was Tenterden. Benjamin & Sophia was my husband's 3x great grandparents, so I would really like to find his death, I cannot believe that it's not out there somewhere, so any information at all would be very gratefully received. Best wishes Carol -----Original Message----- From: eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of suzanne.king2 Sent: 01 June 2007 17:49 To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING Hi Carol It's Suzanne King here - All I know is that Sophia was a widow by 1851 census and the only Benjamin King I could find in the Death INDEXES (not online Woodchurch records) was in 1844 in the reg district of Tenterden (thus may have been buried in other parishes in the Tenterden Reg District). I would be very intrigued as to who this other Benjamin King was - the son of Samuel King - did this come from the death certificate of the Benjamin King who died in 1844 in Tenterden Reg District. As normally they do not always give parents names in burials. Good luck in your search and if you find out anything else be most interested. Regards Suzanne FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon Hendry - East London King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon Hendry - East London King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Carol King" <jandcking@talktalk.net> To: <ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:54 PM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] BENJAMIN KING > Hi is there anyone out there who has managed to find a death for BENJAMIN > KING b Aug 1790 m SOPHIA BOURNE. > > > > I believe that some people have it recorded as being in 1844, and I myself > went down this route sometime ago, but the only death that I found was in > fact a BENJAMIN KING, son of SAMUEL KING labourer. > > > > I have been advised that a Richard Collins or Susan King may know the > answer, but I have no means of contacting them, are they reading this? Or > else can some kind person forward this message to them please? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Carol King > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message