Bob has now shed new light on my family tree He has added a baptism of a Thomas boorman Willis 2nd may 1784 son of Ann Willis Has any body got him in their family tree ? I assume that Ann was unmarried at the time & that boorman may have been the father of the child as it was custom to add the surname of the father for unmarried mothers. Due I also assume that Ann married Robert levet in 1791 . If this is the case & this Thomas later married Rebecca knowlden & started my (& Shelia s ) Willis line in wood church then I have an awful lot wrong Tony Powell

Dear Members of Woodchurch Ancestry Group I was intrigued by the email exchanges on the bubonic plague and other possible epidemics in Woodchurch. As we now have baptisms and burials complete from 1676 I decided to use this data, unavailable before, to check the period 1676-1700 for signs of possible epidemics. I produced two sets of charts using MS Works Spreadsheet, one set of five showing baptisms per month for each five year period and the second set of five showing burials per month for each five year period. There appeared to be a significant rise in burials between October 1678 and March 1680. Further analysis of the two sets of data showed, using a 21 month moving average, that baptisms averaged about 1.5 per month from January 1676 to September 1678. For the same period burials averaged about 1.0 per month. Ceteris paribus, (other things remaining equal) there was a net village population gain of about 15 between January 1676 and September 1678. Between October 1678 and March 1680 there were 68 burials, an average of 3.78 per month. The net gain of 15 from January 1676 became a net loss of 29 by April 1680. The Curate at the period, while not giving cause of death in the Burial Register, gave family relationships and marital status. 12 of the 68 burials were wives. Burials spiked again between October 1680 and November 1681 when there were 35, an average of 2.5 per month. 5 of the 35 burials were wives. The number of baptisms per month fell to under 1.0 from 1680 to 1684 when it recovered to about 1.5. Ceteris Paribus, the net loss to the population of Woodchurch between January 1676 and March 1684 had reached 72. Baptisms and burials returned to the normal monthly averages of about 1.5 and 1.0 respectively for the rest of the century and by December 1700 the net population loss from January 1676 was only 3. I then attempted to make some sort of total village population calculation using the same data. Using as a model a study done in Kingsthorpe, Northampton, where the Chowns came from, I calculated an 11 year moving average which I then multiplied by 30 and 35 to produce an approximate spread. This calculation works well I have found when checked against known totals provided the population does not change rapidly. For 1681, the earliest year by this method, this calculation produced a total population for Woodchurch of between 458 and 535. The death of 68 villagers in a 20 month period represented a loss of between 15% and 13% respectively, or about 1 in 7! I can think of no comparative modern loss of life including two world wars and Spanish Flu that could possibly equate. The 10 charts I produced are available on request in PDF Format but will need to be sent to requesters direct.

Dear Philip I would be very interested in your Great Chart Binghams. My great grandmother Sarah Ann Fullagar nee Bingham was born at Great Chart in 1863. Please can you send me your information as an attachment some way. It would need to be direct to me not through the Woodchurch Ancestry Group address. Best wishes - Bob Chown philip paine <Philip@ppaine8.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: Lyn, I have an 8-page print-out/family-tree on the Bingham family as my grand-father married into them. They hail from Shadoxhurst (where at least 32 are interred in the churchyard) and Great Chart, where they owned the forge (as indeed they did in Shadoxhurst). The missing Lord Lucan is also related, as he is a Bingham too! Phil. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] NOW ONLINE - Woodchurch Baptisms 1675-1989 Just wanted to thank you and Bob Chown for the work you have put in on the Baptisms. Bob kindly gave me family information earlier on this year, NOW he has managed to give me the unknown siblings of my husbands 2x Gt Grandfather George Bingham b 1819 Woodchurch. Thankyou both so much. Regards, Lyn Latimer Original Message: ----------------- From: Gary Samson gsamson@goldbern.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:33:22 +0100 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob, thanks for all the info. you came up with on the Woodchurch Epidemic, it made really interesting reading. Gillian From: BOB CHOWN <bob.chown@btinternet.com> Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com To: Woodchurch FHS <ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] The Woodchurch Epidemic October 1678 to March1680 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:12:45 +0100 (BST) Dear Members of Woodchurch Ancestry Group I was intrigued by the email exchanges on the bubonic plague and other possible epidemics in Woodchurch. As we now have baptisms and burials complete from 1676 I decided to use this data, unavailable before, to check the period 1676-1700 for signs of possible epidemics. I produced two sets of charts using MS Works Spreadsheet, one set of five showing baptisms per month for each five year period and the second set of five showing burials per month for each five year period. There appeared to be a significant rise in burials between October 1678 and March 1680. Further analysis of the two sets of data showed, using a 21 month moving average, that baptisms averaged about 1.5 per month from January 1676 to September 1678. For the same period burials averaged about 1.0 per month. Ceteris paribus, (other things remaining equal) there was a net village population gain of about 15 between January 1676 and September 1678. Between October 1678 and March 1680 there were 68 burials, an average of 3.78 per month. The net gain of 15 from January 1676 became a net loss of 29 by April 1680. The Curate at the period, while not giving cause of death in the Burial Register, gave family relationships and marital status. 12 of the 68 burials were wives. Burials spiked again between October 1680 and November 1681 when there were 35, an average of 2.5 per month. 5 of the 35 burials were wives. The number of baptisms per month fell to under 1.0 from 1680 to 1684 when it recovered to about 1.5. Ceteris Paribus, the net loss to the population of Woodchurch between January 1676 and March 1684 had reached 72. Baptisms and burials returned to the normal monthly averages of about 1.5 and 1.0 respectively for the rest of the century and by December 1700 the net population loss from January 1676 was only 3. I then attempted to make some sort of total village population calculation using the same data. Using as a model a study done in Kingsthorpe, Northampton, where the Chowns came from, I calculated an 11 year moving average which I then multiplied by 30 and 35 to produce an approximate spread. This calculation works well I have found when checked against known totals provided the population does not change rapidly. For 1681, the earliest year by this method, this calculation produced a total population for Woodchurch of between 458 and 535. The death of 68 villagers in a 20 month period represented a loss of between 15% and 13% respectively, or about 1 in 7! I can think of no comparative modern loss of life including two world wars and Spanish Flu that could possibly equate. The 10 charts I produced are available on request in PDF Format but will need to be sent to requesters direct. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Enter to win a night a VIP night out at TIFF http://redcarpet.sympatico.msn.ca/

Lyn, I have an 8-page print-out/family-tree on the Bingham family as my grand-father married into them. They hail from Shadoxhurst (where at least 32 are interred in the churchyard) and Great Chart, where they owned the forge (as indeed they did in Shadoxhurst). The missing Lord Lucan is also related, as he is a Bingham too! Phil. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] NOW ONLINE - Woodchurch Baptisms 1675-1989 Just wanted to thank you and Bob Chown for the work you have put in on the Baptisms. Bob kindly gave me family information earlier on this year, NOW he has managed to give me the unknown siblings of my husbands 2x Gt Grandfather George Bingham b 1819 Woodchurch. Thankyou both so much. Regards, Lyn Latimer Original Message: ----------------- From: Gary Samson gsamson@goldbern.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:33:22 +0100

Hi Josie, Please excuse the reply, my computer is poorly AGAIN, (good job it's still under warranty ) and this is a borrowed one. My husbands Bingham family moved from the area between 1861 and 1871, and went to Sittingbourne to work in the brickfields. His 2x Gt Grandfather George Bingham was an ag lab until then,in the 1871census he and his family were living in Murston and were working for George Smeed at his brickworks there. One of Georges sons ( William ) was living next door with his wife and baby son, he also worked for Smeeds, but I think William and Emma may have emigrated after that as there are no other details I can find, can't even pinpoint where they may have emigrated to either. Another son (Harry ) also went to work in the brickfields but at Frindsbury Kent. When the brickfields went into decline after 1901, the younger members of the families all seem to have moved on again, this time further up to Greenwich and Woolwich. It seems to be Greenwich Gas works for some, my husbands Grandfather was a stoker there, he joined the Royal Navy in 1916 as a Stoker, but unfortunately died of Hepatitis in the War Hospital in Bombay India, in September 1917. He was 34 yrs old. Hope you get lots of info for your October project, Regards, Lyn Latimer (Hopefully, I should have my computer back shortly and will be back on my usual e-mail address ) Original Message: ----------------- From: Josie Mackie josie.mackie@tesco.net Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:29:11 +0100 To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] 19th Century Migration from Woodchurch Good Afternoon All, I am going to do a talk for the Woodchurch Local History Society in October on Work and Occupations in Woodchurch 1700-1900. As part of it, I want to include a piece on the lack of work in the village for much of the nineteenth century, and the large number of villagers migrating to other places in England or emigrating to other parts of the World. My own grandparents left Woodchurch a little later-about 1910- to emigrate to Canada, and no doubt half of me(!) would be living there today, had it not been for my grandfather's being killed in France in WWl and my grandmother then returning to England with their children. If your ancestor left Woodchurch in the nineteeth century, I would love to hear from you, especially if you know why they moved. Thanks, Josie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange

Just wanted to thank you and Bob Chown for the work you have put in on the Baptisms. Bob kindly gave me family information earlier on this year, NOW he has managed to give me the unknown siblings of my husbands 2x Gt Grandfather George Bingham b 1819 Woodchurch. Thankyou both so much. Regards, Lyn Latimer Original Message: ----------------- From: Gary Samson gsamson@goldbern.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:33:22 +0100 To: ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] NOW ONLINE - Woodchurch Baptisms 1675-1989 Hi Everyone, Bob Chown has recently broadened his transcription of baptisms/christenings at Woodchurch to encompass the period 1675-1989. I've now incorporated these into the existing web database, which is online at: www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/baptisms On behalf of the Woodchurch Ancestry Group, Bob, I'd like to thank you again for all the hard work you put in to these enormously useful resources. Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent Woodchurch Then & Now www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/thenandnow.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE

I have ended my association with KFHS and in 29 months will be retired maybe sooner? I would like to do something for Woodchurch 14+, as we were discussing at last meeting the records need collating at the museum or anything else that needs inputting to computer. Would like to have a couple of days a week once I have retired but until then whatever I can do at home or spare time at weekends anywhere. Bob

Wonderful. Thanks, Bob and Gary. I love the way you can search by first names too. It throws up a lovely list of just maybe possibles! Josie

Hi Everyone, Bob Chown has recently broadened his transcription of baptisms/christenings at Woodchurch to encompass the period 1675-1989. I've now incorporated these into the existing web database, which is online at: www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/baptisms On behalf of the Woodchurch Ancestry Group, Bob, I'd like to thank you again for all the hard work you put in to these enormously useful resources. Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent Woodchurch Then & Now www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/thenandnow.htm

Hi Josie William Browne (25/01/1778 Shadoxhurst) & his wife Mary Rummery (1781 Woodchurch - father Robert Rummery) moved from the Woodchurch/Shadoxhurst area after their marriage (22/10/1803 Woodchurch) & after the birth of their first child, William (1804 Shadoxhurst) to Warehorne where their next 10 children were borne including my 2x grt grandmother, Harriet Brown (4/9/1820 Warehorne). I've no idea why they left & can't find them on 1841 census - William died in July 1841. As far as I know, William was an Ag Lab. I hope the talk goes well Best wishes Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] 19th Century Migration from Woodchurch > Good Afternoon All, > I am going to do a talk for the Woodchurch Local History Society in October on Work and Occupations in Woodchurch 1700-1900. As part of it, I want to include a piece on the lack of work in the village for much of the nineteenth century, and the large number of villagers migrating to other places in England or emigrating to other parts of the World. My own grandparents left Woodchurch a little later-about 1910- to emigrate to Canada, and no doubt half of me(!) would be living there today, had it not been for my grandfather's being killed in France in WWl and my grandmother then returning to England with their children. If your ancestor left Woodchurch in the nineteeth century, I would love to hear from you, especially if you know why they moved. > Thanks, > Josie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >

My great grandfather William Manser Willis left the village somewhere between 1865 -1877 having married in 1877in Canterbury & widowed ( leaving a daughter with her grandparents) .he then appears in the 1881 census in Linton Cambridgeshire as a hairdresser ( far removed from an ad lab) . He remarried in the same year having become the band master of the Linton village Band & courting a mental health nurse from Fulbourn hospital Cambridge ( which got her the sack!!!!) . On marrying he settle in Linton and became the village post man Regards Tony Powell

Hi Josie, Recently I transcribed the BROWN entries in the Woodchurch Parish Chest. They may be of some use in your project in unemployement in Woodchurch. My appologies to everyone else for only doing BROWN's. Best wishes Glynn in Australia Woodchurch Parish Chest LDS Films 1835671 & 1835672 Woodchurch Memorandum & Requests 1815 Dec 4th John BROWN'S Gail (girl) for one change & worsted for a pair of stockings. Granted 1816 Apr 1st John BROWN half year rent £3.2.0 Granted 1816 Apr 1st John BROWN for wood 1816 June 25th John BROWNE'S Wife for the Doctor 1816 Oct 14th John BROWN half year rent Granted 1817 Apr 3rd John BROWN for wood Granted 1818 Jan 5th Margaret BROWN two changes & pair of stockings Delaid (Delayed) 1818 Mar 30th J. BROWN unreadable for £0.10.6 Granted 1818 Apr 27th John BROWN Wood Winter 1818 July 20th J. BROWN'S Boy for unreadable 1818 Oct 12th J. BROWN'S Boy for shoes & unreadable Granted 1819 Mar 29th John BROWN rent £2.12.0 Granted 1819 May 24th John BROWN for Wood Granted 1819 July 19th John BROWN'S Girl one pair stockings, one change, one pair shoes, one pair unreadable & one frock Granted 1819 July 19th John BROWN for Wood Granted 1819 Oct 11th J. BROWN rent £2.2.0 Granted 1819 Oct 11th Jane BROWN for two week 10? Granted 1819 Dec 6th John BROWN in want for his Boy 1820 Jan 3rd John BROWN'S Boy Wants one unreadable & one unreadable 1820 May 6th John BROWN rent £2.2.0 Granted 1820 Oct 9th J. BROWN rent £2.2.0 1820 Nov Selah (Celia?) BROWN one petty coat, one frock, one stays, one pair of shoes, pair of stockings, two changes Granted 1820 Nov Serah (Sarah?) BROWN one change, one pair stockings, one petty coat, unreadable apron Granted 1821 Jan 1st John BROWN Pay £0.16.0 1821 Mar 26th J. BROWN rent £2.0.0 Granted 1821 June 18th John BROWN Pay 1821 July 16th J. BROWN pair shoes for his boy Granted 1822 Apr 23rd J. BROWN'S Boy unreadable Select Vestry Committee 1822 Oct 8th John BROWN 5 children wishes for relief to the amount of 8 has worked for one month for 8 for work wants also his rent which is £5.5.0 for yr wants half yr. 1822 Oct 21st John BROWN for relief and work 1822 Nov 4th John BROWN Pay 4 per month higher than a regular pay 1822 Dec 16th John BROWN applies for £0.7.0 in wants 1823 May 19th John BROWN applies for wood, two loads Granted 1823 May 19th John BROWN also unreadable Pay for his girl £0.6.0 X 1823 June 2nd John BROWN applies for clothes for his boy, pair shoes, Round-frock & pair trousers Delaid (Delayed) 1823 June 16th J. BROWN applies for shoes, Round-frock & trousers for the lame boy. X 1823 June 30th John BROWN applies for clothes for his boy for a whole suite? Delayed 1823 July 14th John BROWN'S Boy for round-frock, pair trousers & pair of shoes or to go to the House Delayed 1823 Oct 6th John BROWN rent to Oct 11th £2.0.0 1823 Oct 20th Elizabeth BROWN one change, one petty coat, one woollen apron & one pair of pattens? 1823 Nov 3rd Mary BROWN 15 years old to unreadable Boots for the Winter for her unreadable in want of one change, pair stockings, pair shoes & pattens & one pair cloth & unreadable apron, one petty coat & stays and one frock. 1823 Nov 3rd J. BROWN applies for pay for Nurse £0.6.0 Granted 1823 Dec 1st Mary BROWN one flannel petty coat & frock 1823 Dec 29th Elizabeth BROWN two pair clothes & one pair stays X 1823 Dec 29th Mary BROWN one frock & pair of shoes X 1824 Mar 22nd Mary BROWN applies for one frock, one change, one petty coat & one pair stockings. 1824 Apr 5th John BROWN one child applies for money or wood in want £2.2.0 Granted 1824 Apr 19th John BROWN applies for rent for half year £2.6.0 Granted 1824 May 31st John BROWN 3 child for wood 1824 June 14th John BROWN for a Truss for his Wife 1824 June 29th John BROWN Pay 1824 Aug 9th John BROWN respecting his pay 1824 Aug 9th Mary BROWN Request Delaid 1824 Oct 7th Mary BROWN for pair shoes, pair pattens, one frock & one apron 1824 Oct 10th John BROWN applies for money in want for the loss of his hay 1824 Nov 1st Mary BROWN one frock, one change, one petty coat, one pair stockings 1824 Nov 29th Elizabeth BROWN applies for a pair pattens, one pair stockings & one petty coat. 1824 Nov 29th John BROWN Round-frock & pair shoes X 1824 Dec12th J. BROWN'S son applies for Round-frock & pair shoes X 1824 Dec 27th John BROWN'S Boy a Round-frock & shoes 1825 Jan 10th John Brown applies want pair shoes 1825 June 13th J. BROWN for 150 of Faggots 1825 July 25th George BROWN Round-frock & trousers 1825 Aug 8th George BROWN in request unreadable 1826 Jan 23rd John (written above) George BROWN for Bingham girl at unreadable 1826 Feb 6th John BROWN in want £0.10.0 1826 Feb 20th John BROWN in want 1826 Mar 20th Geo & John BROWN will leave the House for £0.2.0 per week (& pair of shoes, crossed out) Granted 1826 May 15th John BROWN for wood 1826 May 15th John BROWN respecting his daughter 1826 May 21st John BROWN for wood X 1826 June 12th John BROWN applies for wood 1826 July 24th John BROWN applies for 7 or 8 shillings 5 shillings Granted 1826 Aug 21st J. BROWN applies for money in want 20 shillings 1826 Sept 11th J. BROWN applies for money in want 2 shillings 1826 Oct 6th John BROWN applies for 15 shillings 1827 Dec 8th George BROWN in want 1829 Apr 13th Respecting of John BROWN'S House etc. 1829 Apr 13th John BROWN to pay his rent from 6th April 1829 1829 Dec 5th Respecting of George BROWN & William WELLS unreadable & expenses 1830 Sept 27th M? BROWN applies for Cotton Gown 1830 Nov 22nd James BROWNE applies for a pair shoes 1830 Dec 6th John BROWN applies for shoes for his boy 1831 Dec 5th John BROWN applying for clothes for his boy 1832 Aug 1st George BROWN for all last week & 3 days this week 1833 Jan 31st Geo BROWN lost 15 days ill 1833 Jan 31st John BROWN for 8 shillings in want. One week ill 1833 Feb 13th Jas BROWN for lost time 5 days 1833 Mar 13th John BROWN 4½ days lost time 1833 Aug 29th George BROWN lost time 1833 Nov 6th John BROWN snr for work 1833 Nov 21st John BROWN snr ill for a fortnight has had 9 shillings 1833 Dec 18th Geo BROWN 1834 May 7th Respecting John BROWN snr 1834 July 2nd J. BROWN snr 6 shillings 1834 July 16th John BROWN applies for work also 6 shillings in want 1834 Aug 27th George BROWN applies for nourishment in his illness 1835 Jan 14th John BROWN snr applies for 3 shillings a week when out of work 1835 Jan 28th George BROWN for some conveyance to go to Ashford 1835 Apr 23rd Mrs BROWN for widow's pay Woodchurch Overseers Accounts 1829 Jan 17th Paid J. BROWN for a Sow Ken-unreadable £0.2.0 1829 Jan 31st Paid John BROWN for a Sow Ken-unreadable £0.2.0 1833 June 15th Paid George BROWN 4½ days £0.9.0 1833 June 22nd Paid George BROWN 2 days £0.3.0 1834 May 17th Paid J. BROWN for 2 Sows to unreadable £0.4.0 1833 Paupers BROWN John snr Married £7 - 1s (Over 12 months) BROWNE George Married £4 - 4s (Over 12 months) Incidental Expenses June 1833 John BROWN for a truss 10 shillings Vestry Order 1834 George BROWN 2 shillings 1834 Paupers BROWN John snr Married £5 - 12 - 6 (12 months) BROWN George Married £15 - 16 - 0 (12 months) Incidental Expenses May 1834 John BROWN snr 2 shillings Vestry Order July 1834 John BROWN snr 3 shillings January 1835 George BROWN'S medicine 2 shillings & 6 pence 1835 Paupers BROWN George (Dead) Occasional relief 6 shillings BROWN John snr £1 - 10 - 0 (over 3 months) Incidental Expenses Mrs BROWNE 3 shillings 1835 Paupers BROWN John snr £2 - 18 -6 (over 3 months) BROWN John (Red Brook) BROWN John snr £3 - 0 - 0 (over 3 months) Disbursements George BROWN'S Expenses relative to James PEARSONS trial. £1 - 8 - 0 Dr CURTEIS'S Charity 5th November 1869 to 5th November 1870 Names of honest, sober and industrious labouring families in Husbandry, entitled to a Loaf of Bread of the value of 6 pence. BROWN Stephen LG

Michael Zell wrote an interesting article called 'Population and Family Structure in the Sixteenth -Century Weald' which can be found in Volume 100 of Arch Cant. (For those not familiar with Kent, Woodchurch is on the eastern side of the Weald of Kent). He says that Woodchurch, even in the sixteenth century, had a low population density and gives a figure of 550 in the 1560s. To compare, next door High Halden, with an acreage roughly half the size of Woodchurch, had 400 inhabitants, and Bethersden, roughly the same size asWoodchurch, had 700 inhabitants. I'll quote the next bit as it's particularly relevant to Gillian's email: "What about crisis mortality? Could occasional disastrous outbreaks of disease or famine have wiped out most of the net 'natural increase' shown in the parish registers? The answer is almost certainly no. The only widespread mortality crisis, during which normal burial figures were doubled or trebled occured in 1557-59, before the substantial net 'surpluses' of the Elizabethan period. In all the extant registers the highest burial figures occurred in one or two years between 1557 and 1559 (Benenden, Edenbridge, Hadlow, Horsmonden, East Peckham, Tenterden, Tonbridge, and Woodchurch). ......However the only substantial plague outbreak of the later sixteenth century was that which struck Cranbrook in 1597-98. .....Ocasional plague burials are recorded in a few of the region's other parishes, but the Weald seems generally to have escaped the major outbreaks seen in Elizabethan and early Stuart London and several other towns (including Maidstone) in this era. Certainly when I transcribed the 18th century burials, I don't remember seeing any plague burials. Smallpox was the biggest killer at that time. I have in my notes (From: Religion and Society in Kent 1640-1914) that smallpox superseded the plague as the most dreaded epidemic from the second half of the17th century. For example, between 1740-1763 smallpox accounted for 28% of all deaths in Maidstone, Kent's county town. As Gary said, plague isn't noted in any of the published histories of Woodchurch, so if it struck, I think it would have been before he start of the registers in the 1530s. Best wishes, Josie

Gillian, Extra bit, I can give you a complete family tree from William (1) down to me, if you wish. It is also deposited in the Woodchurch Museum. P -----Original Message----- From: eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Floyd Sent: 26 August 2007 16:45 To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague Hi Philip, I'll have do do a little searching but will get back to you about the plague. Meantime, I don't suppose you have anything on the ancestors of William Paine and Mary Fuggle married Kenardington 2 March 1746 do you? Gillian From: "philip paine" <Philip@ppaine8.wanadoo.co.uk> Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:32:53 +0100 Hi, I submitted the Paine family-tree but made no mention of a plaque wipe-out, but this story would be of interest to me obviously. Was this a second-coming of plaque as the first was 1348 (I think). P To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague I recall someone sending me some family history information, I think on the Paine's, and they were mentioning the fact that almost the entire population of Woodchurch was lost to the plague, I think in the 1700's. Does anyone know anything about this? I'll have to try and track down the note I was sent, but I was just curious if anyone else had information on it. Gillian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Former Police Officer Paul Gillespies TAKE BACK THE INTERNET tips and tricks, watch the video now http://safety.sympatico.msn.ca/

Gillian, William (who I call William (1) as he was the first of three consecutive William's) was shown as "a Yeoman" and my records, which were passed on by a Linda Savage from Staplehurst, Kent (haven't got her address - sorry), state that "they had a least 4 children": William (2) christened on Dec 15th 1747, Mary Oct 7th 1750, Thomas Nov 5th 1752 and John Jan 25th 1756. William (1) was the son of Thomas Paine (date of birth not known) who married Grace Herneden on Sept 17th 1710 at Ospringe (near Faversham), a long way from Woodchurch. Thomas and Grace had a least three children; Thomas - christened on Sept 27th 1713, John October 2nd 1715 and William (1) Feb 16th 1717. PLEASE NOTE that all three of these children were registered at KINGSNORTH. Hope the latter bits are of use, Phil. ----- To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague Hi Philip, I'll have do do a little searching but will get back to you about the plague. Meantime, I don't suppose you have anything on the ancestors of William Paine and Mary Fuggle married Kenardington 2 March 1746 do you? Gillian From: "philip paine" <Philip@ppaine8.wanadoo.co.uk> Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:32:53 +0100 Hi, I submitted the Paine family-tree but made no mention of a plaque wipe-out, but this story would be of interest to me obviously. Was this a second-coming of plaque as the first was 1348 (I think). P To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague I recall someone sending me some family history information, I think on the Paine's, and they were mentioning the fact that almost the entire population of Woodchurch was lost to the plague, I think in the 1700's. Does anyone know anything about this? I'll have to try and track down the note I was sent, but I was just curious if anyone else had information on it. Gillian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Former Police Officer Paul Gillespies TAKE BACK THE INTERNET tips and tricks, watch the video now http://safety.sympatico.msn.ca/

Hi Gillian, At first glance, this seems very unlikely. A catastrophic event on this scale would doubtless appear in the historiography of the village, perhaps even the county, but there is no mention of anything like this in the several published accounts of the village and church. Moreover, the parish records show a consistent pattern of births, marriages and deaths throughout the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. Interestingly, the village population at the beginning of the nineteenth century was 698, roughly half of what it would be for the remainder of the century and for much of the next, but I doubt this low figure in the early 1800s is attributable to a significant number of plaque deaths in the 1700s, or earlier. How the village fared during the outbreak of Black Death in the mid 1300s, which really did thin out the population on a global scale, is not known. If you do come across the note again please do post it to the list. All the best Gary Samson Canterbury, Kent NOW Available Online! 'A Stroll Around the Green' www.goldbern.co.uk/woodchurch/stroll.htm Gillian Floyd said the following on 26.08.2007 14:22: > I recall someone sending me some family history information, I think on the > Paine's, and they were mentioning the fact that almost the entire population > of Woodchurch was lost to the plague, I think in the 1700's. Does anyone > know anything about this? > I'll have to try and track down the note I was sent, but I was just curious > if anyone else had information on it. > Gillian

Hi, I submitted the Paine family-tree but made no mention of a plaque wipe-out, but this story would be of interest to me obviously. Was this a second-coming of plaque as the first was 1348 (I think). P To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague I recall someone sending me some family history information, I think on the Paine's, and they were mentioning the fact that almost the entire population of Woodchurch was lost to the plague, I think in the 1700's. Does anyone know anything about this? I'll have to try and track down the note I was sent, but I was just curious if anyone else had information on it. Gillian

Thanks Josie, I suspect this is where someone got the idea of all the deaths. I'm still trying to track down my note but will let you know when I do! Gillian From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:15:57 +0100 Michael Zell wrote an interesting article called 'Population and Family Structure in the Sixteenth -Century Weald' which can be found in Volume 100 of Arch Cant. (For those not familiar with Kent, Woodchurch is on the eastern side of the Weald of Kent). He says that Woodchurch, even in the sixteenth century, had a low population density and gives a figure of 550 in the 1560s. To compare, next door High Halden, with an acreage roughly half the size of Woodchurch, had 400 inhabitants, and Bethersden, roughly the same size asWoodchurch, had 700 inhabitants. I'll quote the next bit as it's particularly relevant to Gillian's email: "What about crisis mortality? Could occasional disastrous outbreaks of disease or famine have wiped out most of the net 'natural increase' shown in the parish registers? The answer is almost certainly no. The only widespread mortality crisis, during which normal burial figures were doubled or trebled occured in 1557-59, before the substantial net 'surpluses' of the Elizabethan period. In all the extant registers the highest burial figures occurred in one or two years between 1557 and 1559 (Benenden, Edenbridge, Hadlow, Horsmonden, East Peckham, Tenterden, Tonbridge, and Woodchurch). ......However the only substantial plague outbreak of the later sixteenth century was that which struck Cranbrook in 1597-98. .....Ocasional plague burials are recorded in a few of the region's other parishes, but the Weald seems generally to have escaped the major outbreaks seen in Elizabethan and early Stuart London and several other towns (including Maidstone) in this era. Certainly when I transcribed the 18th century burials, I don't remember seeing any plague burials. Smallpox was the biggest killer at that time. I have in my notes (From: Religion and Society in Kent 1640-1914) that smallpox superseded the plague as the most dreaded epidemic from the second half of the17th century. For example, between 1740-1763 smallpox accounted for 28% of all deaths in Maidstone, Kent's county town. As Gary said, plague isn't noted in any of the published histories of Woodchurch, so if it struck, I think it would have been before he start of the registers in the 1530s. Best wishes, Josie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Former Police Officer Paul Gillespie’s TAKE BACK THE INTERNET tips and tricks, watch the video now http://safety.sympatico.msn.ca/

Hi Philip, I'll have do do a little searching but will get back to you about the plague. Meantime, I don't suppose you have anything on the ancestors of William Paine and Mary Fuggle married Kenardington 2 March 1746 do you? Gillian From: "philip paine" <Philip@ppaine8.wanadoo.co.uk> Reply-To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:32:53 +0100 Hi, I submitted the Paine family-tree but made no mention of a plaque wipe-out, but this story would be of interest to me obviously. Was this a second-coming of plaque as the first was 1348 (I think). P To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Plague I recall someone sending me some family history information, I think on the Paine's, and they were mentioning the fact that almost the entire population of Woodchurch was lost to the plague, I think in the 1700's. Does anyone know anything about this? I'll have to try and track down the note I was sent, but I was just curious if anyone else had information on it. Gillian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Former Police Officer Paul Gillespie’s TAKE BACK THE INTERNET tips and tricks, watch the video now http://safety.sympatico.msn.ca/