Jon, On old-maps website http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx Sandhill Hill cottage 'appears' to be marked where Bower Farm is today, although there are two black squares on present day map, and only one on old map. If is it the right one, it was uninhabited in 1881 census. In 1882 and 1885 Emile Bion Esq lived there. In 1891 census Richard James Curtis aged 56, born Essex, lived there with Jane Curtis, aged 43. Trade Directory lists him as farmer and hop grower. Josie

Dear Jon, I'm afraid I don't know anything much about Bower Farm. Do you know about how old it is? I can't picture it in my mind. It possibly had another name, or several(!), in the past. But I don't think it can be Burrage Farm, as they're both marked on my 'East Kent Street Atlas'. Burrage (Berridge sometimes) Farm is next to Balcony Farm, just the other side of the lane leading to Haycross. Bower is on the same side just a bit closer to Tenterden. On 'my' 1871 map, between Berridge( John Cloke) and Cherry Garden (John Davis), there are Diamond Farm and three others: Sandhill, Cott and Jones Gate (presumably an old toll cottage). There is a Cott Farm now on the left...so perhaps Bower Farm is Sandhill??? Don't know, really! Shall have to look next time I am going to Tenterden. Josie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Chaplin" <jon@frontrd.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] FW: Bower Farmhouse , Brook Street > Does anyone know anything of the history of this property, the last on the > north side of Brook Street near the boundary with Tenterden. In the 1871 > census, there is a farm called Burrage Farm occupied by John (aged 38 > years)and Maria (29 years) Cloke and their 4 children (1-7 years). I suspect > this might be the modern Bower Farm. > >

Josie Re your last paragraph, according to one world tree Amos Bessor Cole born 1803 in Woodchurch married Ann Newman in Tasmania on 23 Dec 1843 and had 7 children by her. Was this a bigamous marriage !! or had Hannah died by then. There was a Hannah Cole died Tenterden in 1843 but not till Dec1/4 would the news have reached Tasmania by 23 rd Dec I do love a mystery Regards Philip ---- Original Message ----- From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Edward Cole born 1832 > Dear Steven, > First I should say I have no answers for your query......just a few > speculations. > You said in a previous email that Amos Besor Cole was: "... previously > sentenced for > transportation in 1825 but (convict record) states he served his time at > Sheerness" ...finally transported in 1836. > There are four baptisms that seem to refer to his family on the site: > George in 1822, Amos in 1824, Richard in 1830 and Edward William in 1832. > Could it be > that his wife, Harriet gave birth to the first two in 1822 and 1824 before > his first conviction...he then served time in 1825, > returned to village after sentence of ? years in time to have Richard in > 1830, then was reconvicted and was on hulks by 1832, and tranported > in 1836? The last baptism, of Edward William in 1832 could be a late > baptism (sometimes children were baptised many years after birth) or could > he be illegitimate (?) as the record on the site doesn't actually say Amos > was his father, unless I've misread it, just that Harriet is the wife of > Amos. Did Harriet and the children follow him out to Australia > eventually, > do you know? > best wishes, Josie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know anything of the history of this property, the last on the north side of Brook Street near the boundary with Tenterden. In the 1871 census, there is a farm called Burrage Farm occupied by John (aged 38 years)and Maria (29 years) Cloke and their 4 children (1-7 years). I suspect this might be the modern Bower Farm. Thanks - Jon Chaplin ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie E Steer <mailto:julieesteer@aol.com> To: geoffandbarbara@turner79.freeserve.co.uk Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: Bower Farmhouse Hi Geoff, Its Colin & Julie Steer At Cornerways. We have just purchased Bower Farmhouse along Brook Street and wondered if the history society or the museum have any photos, plans or historical data regarding this property which we could copy. We are planning to extend and renovate the house so any information would be very helpful. With Regards Colin & Julie Steer

Firstly many thanks to Gary Bob & Co. for all your work, it is very helpful to us on the other side of the world. I do have a query as to the baptism of Edward William Cole on the 26th of Feb 1832, the listing has his father Amos being a convict on board a hulk. Does this mean that Edward was an illegitimate child? Or could it be that wives were able to visit their husbands while they were serving their sentences. Regards Steven Cole

Dear Steven, First I should say I have no answers for your query......just a few speculations. You said in a previous email that Amos Besor Cole was: "... previously sentenced for transportation in 1825 but (convict record) states he served his time at Sheerness" ...finally transported in 1836. There are four baptisms that seem to refer to his family on the site: George in 1822, Amos in 1824, Richard in 1830 and Edward William in 1832. Could it be that his wife, Harriet gave birth to the first two in 1822 and 1824 before his first conviction...he then served time in 1825, returned to village after sentence of ? years in time to have Richard in 1830, then was reconvicted and was on hulks by 1832, and tranported in 1836? The last baptism, of Edward William in 1832 could be a late baptism (sometimes children were baptised many years after birth) or could he be illegitimate (?) as the record on the site doesn't actually say Amos was his father, unless I've misread it, just that Harriet is the wife of Amos. Did Harriet and the children follow him out to Australia eventually, do you know? best wishes, Josie

Josie Mahala Bourne was the widow of Henry Rolfe and then wife of Edmund Bourne lived at the Bonny Cravat c 1845 - 1856 then Samuel Fullagar took over the Bonny. I'm certain there is a link to the Stonebridge but you can never find these things when you want them !! I will let you know when my brain is in the proper gear. Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Stonebridge > Thank you, Jon, very helpful too. > I am trying to establish that the Stonebridge "wasn't" a pub in 1849. > I've just had a look at the website, and in Bagshaw's Directory 1847 there > is Henry Rolfe at the Bonny and Dive Brissenden at a beershop, which I > believe is the Six Bells. No other is mentioned so hopefully the > Stonebridge wasn't a pub in 1849. > The first sign of three pubs is in Melville's -1858- which lists Mrs > Mahala > Bourne and Dive Brissenden as beer retailers and Samuel Fullagar at the > Bonny. However, in the 1861 census Mahala Bourne is in the Village High > Street, so perhaps she was a beer retailer in a shop, not at the > Stonebridge? > Thanks again. > Josie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Sheila Many thanks for checking those BTs against my Parish Records Transcript. Most could be found on the Website by putting in the Surname and leaving the years selection and Forename blank. Some of the spellings in the Parish Record are different (Samuel/Samuell) and I try to transcribe the first name or names to proper English where the Curate had a certain peculiarity (Elisabeth/Elizabeth). I never change the Surname (Ransly/Ransly) from that written by the Curate. The Ransley expert, David Hills, told me on Friday that he has found over 20 different spellings of that particular surname. I sometimes add something, usually additional hard information not another guess, and that is in square brackets []. If the Curate added something it is in round brackets (). I cannot replicate superscript or Greek and 'ye' is transcribed as 'the' on the advice of the leading Secretary Script Archivist at Canterbury. Two entries you highlighted need checking against the original at the Centre for Kentish Studies in Maidstone; Walker Abigail Blatcher 1769 - really a girl's name? Thomas Walker 1771 - No John and Mary Walker christenings other than this one but 3 John and Mary Walter's. Edward Pearce is Perce by mistake and I will contact Gary Samson to change it. I take all possible care to ensure that the transcript is complete. Nothing infuriates me more when researching my ancestors than to find transcriptions for say 1850-1875 with gaps. Usually these are someone's list when looking for their ancestors. You will note that when you find a Baptism/Christening on our Website there is a page number and baptism number. Before 1754 for marriages and 1813 for Baptisms and Burials the pages were unnumbered unless the Curate took the fancy. In my former life, I was an accountant so I was trained to look for a control total if possible. I therefore number each page, whether or not it has one, and then number each entry. When the transcription is finished I check that my page totals and pages match the Register I have completed. This finds entries I have missed because I am lazy or asleep or both. I have good days and bad days. So far, I have transcribed over 20,000 Woodchurch CMB entries. I rarely referred to the Bishop's Transcripts when transcribing CMBs in the past but now I am transcribing pre-1754 marriages, Canterbury Archives, if they are not too busy, kindly let me use two Film Readers, one with the Parish Register and one with Bishop's Transcripts. This causes much amusement with others. Many thanks for your interest and I look forward to hearing from you again. Bob Chown

Josie The 1861 census has Mahala Bourne at Well House (2 doors down from me on The Pavement). The front of that house was a shop for some years. She was then 38 years old. She was not there in 1851 or 1871. Cheers - Jon PS Mahala is an unusual name. Note there was also a Mahala Bright at the corner grocers shop (now 1-3 The Green or Treasures Antiques) but she was there in 1861 as well, so a different person aged 60 years in 1861. -----Original Message----- From: eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josie Mackie Sent: 15 September 2007 18:43 To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Stonebridge Thank you, Jon, very helpful too. I am trying to establish that the Stonebridge "wasn't" a pub in 1849. I've just had a look at the website, and in Bagshaw's Directory 1847 there is Henry Rolfe at the Bonny and Dive Brissenden at a beershop, which I believe is the Six Bells. No other is mentioned so hopefully the Stonebridge wasn't a pub in 1849. The first sign of three pubs is in Melville's -1858- which lists Mrs Mahala Bourne and Dive Brissenden as beer retailers and Samuel Fullagar at the Bonny. However, in the 1861 census Mahala Bourne is in the Village High Street, so perhaps she was a beer retailer in a shop, not at the Stonebridge? Thanks again. Josie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Jon, very helpful too. I am trying to establish that the Stonebridge "wasn't" a pub in 1849. I've just had a look at the website, and in Bagshaw's Directory 1847 there is Henry Rolfe at the Bonny and Dive Brissenden at a beershop, which I believe is the Six Bells. No other is mentioned so hopefully the Stonebridge wasn't a pub in 1849. The first sign of three pubs is in Melville's -1858- which lists Mrs Mahala Bourne and Dive Brissenden as beer retailers and Samuel Fullagar at the Bonny. However, in the 1861 census Mahala Bourne is in the Village High Street, so perhaps she was a beer retailer in a shop, not at the Stonebridge? Thanks again. Josie

Good Afternoon Josie By chance I was talking to Albert Boorman (97 Front Road, phone 860361) yesterday. His father and grandfather were publicans at the (old) Stonebridge but Mr.Boorman has no knowledge of the origins of the pub. Of course the building looks 18th century. I do know it has no cellar; that area by the stream is subject to flooding. I just had a quick look at the BMD records on the website. There are plenty of Boormans but I could find no reference to the Stonebridge. The only other information I can give you is that Albert Boorman is about my age (born 1936) and his wife's name is Jean. Good Hunting - Jon -----Original Message----- From: eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-ken-woodchurch-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josie Mackie Sent: 15 September 2007 11:57 To: eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Stonebridge Good morning All, Does anyone happen to know when the old Stonebridge started up as a pub? Thanks, Josie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Philip. That's very helpful. Josie

Josie The earliest date I have is 1871 referred to as the Stonebridge Inn and William Homewood as a beer house keeper. Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Stonebridge > Good morning All, > Does anyone happen to know when the old Stonebridge started up as a pub? > Thanks, > Josie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning All, Does anyone happen to know when the old Stonebridge started up as a pub? Thanks, Josie

Dear Gary Your project for St Michels sounds very interesting. I would like to attend but sadly not possible from Sydney However I have a great grandmother Salome Chalker who died on the 23rd March 1844 aged 27 whom I think could well be buried in St Michaels. If these records surface at any time I would be thrilled to know I think it is wonderful so many people are working to make our family history available to those in distance lands Thank you everyone for your contributions Kind regards from Jilda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Samson" <gsamson@goldbern.co.uk> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:28 AM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Dr Jack Gillett's transcription of MIs at StMichaels, Tenterden For information. ----- St. Michael & All Angels PCC Are you interested in the history of the village? Have you family connections in the village? We have a new churchyard survey of monumental inscriptions from 1863 –until 2007 Please come along to a presentation in the church on Saturday 15th September at 4pm. There will be a short talk on the survey followed by tea and cakes. The Churchyard Survey Books and Burial Records from 1863 to March 2007 will be available for sale on the day. Please come along - all very welcome. For more details contact Carol Stevens on 01580 762703 ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM

Dear Jilda, I'm afraid I can't take any credit for this project; I was simply passing on information I received about it. You might like to contact Carol Stevens on +44 1580 762703 to see if transcriptions of any earlier MIs exist - if, of course, the churchyard was in use before 1863. All the best Gary On 14.09.2007 09:40, jildawhiddon wrote: > Dear Gary > Your project for St Michels sounds very interesting. > I would like to attend but sadly not possible from Sydney > However I have a great grandmother Salome Chalker who died on the 23rd March > 1844 aged 27 whom I think could well be buried in St Michaels. > If these records surface at any time I would be thrilled to know > I think it is wonderful so many people are working to make our family > history available to those in distance lands > Thank you everyone for your contributions > Kind regards > from Jilda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Samson" <gsamson@goldbern.co.uk> > To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:28 AM > Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Dr Jack Gillett's transcription of MIs at > StMichaels, Tenterden > > > For information. > > ----- > St. Michael & All Angels PCC > > Are you interested in the history of the village? > Have you family connections in the village? > We have a new churchyard survey of > monumental inscriptions from > 1863 –until 2007 > > Please come along to > a presentation in the church on > Saturday > 15th September > at > 4pm. > > There will be a short talk on the survey > followed by tea and cakes. > > The Churchyard Survey Books and Burial Records from 1863 to March 2007 > will be available for sale on the day. > > Please come along - all very welcome. > For more details contact > Carol Stevens on 01580 762703 > ----- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Dear Pauline For some reason, your email address did not work. Dear Pauline All volunteers are welcome. Josie and I are meeting up at the Centre for Kentish Studies on Tuesday 25th September (11-5). We are going through her transcription of Woodchurch Marriages 1538-1600 to compare with the original. Good fun. Could you make it then? If not, we could arrange something at the Museum. I live at Canterbury so the Museum is 45 minutes away. Do you have a Laptop? Does it have Microsoft Works? I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes - Bob Chown

Oops! Elizabeth's son was called Thomas *not* John. Too early and not enough caffeine! Gary Gary Samson wrote: > Dear All, > > If anyone has access to Woodchurch burials for 1657, I'd be grateful for > confirmation, or otherwise, of the burials of Elizabeth Eley and John, > her son. > > Many thanks > > Gary

Dear All, If anyone has access to Woodchurch burials for 1657, I'd be grateful for confirmation, or otherwise, of the burials of Elizabeth Eley and John, her son. Many thanks Gary

Ross and Lynn Humphreys wrote: > Tony , what do you know about your Rebecca Knowlden ? I have Knowlden's in > Tenterden . Regards , Lynn > --------------------------------------------- SNIP ------------------------------------------------------ Do hope you will not mind this new subject intrusion. I am engaged in a long term project to link a sizable lot of KNOWLDEN/KNOWLTON --- here in north America since 1632 --- with their origins in the UK, including present day descendent's wherever they may now be. Would anyone have any history or live specimens of such creatures lurking about. With thanks, Carlisle Knowlton Connecticut, USA