Suzanne and all As the instigator of this discussion regarding George Bourne King and his marriage to Jane West, I was nervous about the your findings on the marriage certificate, but I am now delighted with the result. I must admit it has been very interesting tracing him and his brothers. My next project is slightly related and concerns William Homewood who in the 1871 census was staying at Chestnut House,Woodchurch with John Bourne he was "leaving for America this day" and did sail on the Italy with his wife and 17 children and settled in Wilmington Delaware . I am looking for any details or pictures of the Italy Philip Josie This is one of my projects for the 2008 Woodchurch local history exhibition ----- Original Message ----- From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Georg King and Jane WestMarriageCertificateDetails > Witnesses were: > > G Wade > Jno Bowes/Bower > > Suzanne > > FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING > > Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London > Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon > Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex > Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada > (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) > Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon > Hendry - East London > King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross and Lynn Humphreys" <rosslynn@optusnet.com.au> > To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Georg King and Jane West > MarriageCertificateDetails > > >> Susanne , who were the witnesses ? Regards , Lynn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> >> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:38 AM >> Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Georg King and Jane West Marriage >> CertificateDetails >> >> >>> Hi All, as promised >>> >>> George King of full age, bachelor, Bricklayer, of Bromley, Middlesex, >> father Benjamin King, a Labourer, married on 18th February 1850 at the >> Parish Church of Norbiton, Surrey, to Jane West, of full age, spinster, >> of >> Norbiton, father James West, a Farm Servant. Anybody wants a copy of it >> are >> most welcome - contact me with your email addresses. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Suzanne King >>> >>> FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >>> >>> Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >>> Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >>> Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >>> Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada >> (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) >>> Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >>> Hendry - East London >>> King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 15/02/07 >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Witnesses were: G Wade Jno Bowes/Bower Suzanne FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon Hendry - East London King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross and Lynn Humphreys" <rosslynn@optusnet.com.au> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Georg King and Jane West MarriageCertificateDetails > Susanne , who were the witnesses ? Regards , Lynn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:38 AM > Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Georg King and Jane West Marriage > CertificateDetails > > >> Hi All, as promised >> >> George King of full age, bachelor, Bricklayer, of Bromley, Middlesex, > father Benjamin King, a Labourer, married on 18th February 1850 at the > Parish Church of Norbiton, Surrey, to Jane West, of full age, spinster, of > Norbiton, father James West, a Farm Servant. Anybody wants a copy of it > are > most welcome - contact me with your email addresses. >> >> Regards >> >> Suzanne King >> >> FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >> >> Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >> Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >> Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >> Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada > (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) >> Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >> Hendry - East London >> King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 15/02/07 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lynn: Looks like G. Wade and Jno. Bowes to me. The officiant looks like I. Welstead of Boarth? However I can't find that place on the map! Norbiton is, as one would expect, just north of Surbiton and just south of Kingston-Upon-Thames. The initial I doesn't look like any of the Js on the same image. Any offers on the officiant's name? Curiously, some of my Willcocks family lived in Surbiton - Walter Morgan Willcocks became an Alderman and was later made Deputy Lieutenant of Surrey, having saved Norbury Park from speculative developers by buying it for the Surrey County Council. He left over GBP185,000 at his death in 1938. He was a third cousin twice removed. HTH Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA. Ross and Lynn Humphreys wrote: >Susanne , who were the witnesses ? Regards , Lynn > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> >To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:38 AM >Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Georg King and Jane West Marriage >CertificateDetails > > > > >>Hi All, as promised >> >>George King of full age, bachelor, Bricklayer, of Bromley, Middlesex, >> >> >father Benjamin King, a Labourer, married on 18th February 1850 at the >Parish Church of Norbiton, Surrey, to Jane West, of full age, spinster, of >Norbiton, father James West, a Farm Servant. Anybody wants a copy of it are >most welcome - contact me with your email addresses. > > >>Regards >> >>Suzanne King >> >>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >> >>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada >> >> >(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) > > >>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >>Hendry - East London >>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 15/02/07 >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi All, as promised George King of full age, bachelor, Bricklayer, of Bromley, Middlesex, father Benjamin King, a Labourer, married on 18th February 1850 at the Parish Church of Norbiton, Surrey, to Jane West, of full age, spinster, of Norbiton, father James West, a Farm Servant. Anybody wants a copy of it are most welcome - contact me with your email addresses. Regards Suzanne King FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon Hendry - East London King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest

Hi Philip: I have found the folks at the Rootsweb Mariners list and the Yahoo Group Teesside Maritime to be very helpful with photos of ships. How does William HOMEWOOD connect to Richard? Was he a brother, cousin, etc.? Suzanne, many thanks for the info and image re George and Jane. Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA Phillip Whitehead wrote: >Suzanne and all > >As the instigator of this discussion regarding George Bourne King and his >marriage to Jane West, I was nervous about the your findings on the marriage >certificate, but I am now delighted with the result. I must admit it has >been very interesting tracing him and his brothers. > > My next project is slightly related and concerns William Homewood who in >the 1871 census was staying at Chestnut House,Woodchurch with John Bourne he >was "leaving for America this day" and did sail on the Italy with his wife >and 17 children and settled in Wilmington Delaware . I am looking for any >details or pictures of the Italy > >Philip > >Josie This is one of my projects for the 2008 Woodchurch local history >exhibition > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> >To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:34 PM >Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Georg King and Jane >WestMarriageCertificateDetails > > > > >>Witnesses were: >> >>G Wade >>Jno Bowes/Bower >> >>Suzanne >> >>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >> >>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada >>(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) >>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >>Hendry - East London >>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ross and Lynn Humphreys" <rosslynn@optusnet.com.au> >>To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:53 PM >>Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Georg King and Jane West >>MarriageCertificateDetails >> >> >> >> >>>Susanne , who were the witnesses ? Regards , Lynn >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> >>>To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:38 AM >>>Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Georg King and Jane West Marriage >>>CertificateDetails >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi All, as promised >>>> >>>>George King of full age, bachelor, Bricklayer, of Bromley, Middlesex, >>>> >>>> >>>father Benjamin King, a Labourer, married on 18th February 1850 at the >>>Parish Church of Norbiton, Surrey, to Jane West, of full age, spinster, >>>of >>>Norbiton, father James West, a Farm Servant. Anybody wants a copy of it >>>are >>>most welcome - contact me with your email addresses. >>> >>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>>Suzanne King >>>> >>>>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >>>> >>>>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >>>>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >>>>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >>>>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada >>>> >>>> >>>(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) >>> >>> >>>>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >>>>Hendry - East London >>>>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>>> >>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without >>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 15/02/07 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I've been watching the discussion about the children of Eleanor King and John Ditton and came upon some information this afternoon on rootsweb.com. If you enter the name Richard Ditton only nine will show up in world connect and the top one (or it was last time I looked) shows Richard Ditton married to Sarah Woodcock. If you click on that and follow it through it will eventually show the children, who they married, and how and where they were listed in various US census info. Just thought might be of interest. I've just moved house and am still unpacking so only sporadically getting to a computer at the moment! Gillian Floyd _________________________________________________________________ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx

Hi Philip As I said in my previous message I am mainly a DITTON researcher and therefore have an interest in the marriage of John Ditton to Bennet King on 19th October 1806. I have them as having 10 children, the last one Richard baptised May 21st 1826. so presumably emigrated to Lagro Wabash Indiana after that date. Regards Pauline Sims ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Whitehead" <brambledown2@ntlworld.com> To: "woodchurch" <ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Kings > Good morning all you King followers > > One of the King family that seems to have been overlooked on some of the > lists is Eleanor King, born in Woodchurch on 8th August 1762 her parents > were Benjamin King and Elizabeth Rapson. > She had 2 children Davy 1783 and Bennet 1785 in 1787 she married John > Barden. > > Her daughter Bennet born in Woodchurch 17 April 1785 had a daughter > Harriet born and died in 1804 then married John Ditton on the 19 Oct 1806 > and had 9 children, the youngest Sally born in 1823. I believe the family > emigrated to the USA via New York and finished up in Lagro Wabash Indiana. > ( the Warbash Cannonball came round the mountain doing ninety miles an > hour) !!! > > Do any listers have a passenger list that might show this family probably > between 1820 and 1847 and does anyone know what happened to Davy King > >>From a wet and soggy Kent > > Philip > >

Hi Philip No I do not have a clue as to what happened to Davy King - so can not help there - he a Male I believe, not sure if married have not checked the indexes Should not be too long when get marriage cert of George King and Jane West - posted the latest date was 15th Feb - so may arrive by Saturday I hope Suzanne FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon Hendry - East London King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Whitehead" <brambledown2@ntlworld.com> To: "woodchurch" <ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Kings > Good morning all you King followers > > One of the King family that seems to have been overlooked on some of the > lists is Eleanor King, born in Woodchurch on 8th August 1762 her parents > were Benjamin King and Elizabeth Rapson. > She had 2 children Davy 1783 and Bennet 1785 in 1787 she married John > Barden. > > Her daughter Bennet born in Woodchurch 17 April 1785 had a daughter > Harriet born and died in 1804 then married John Ditton on the 19 Oct 1806 > and had 9 children, the youngest Sally born in 1823. I believe the family > emigrated to the USA via New York and finished up in Lagro Wabash Indiana. > ( the Warbash Cannonball came round the mountain doing ninety miles an > hour) !!! > > Do any listers have a passenger list that might show this family probably > between 1820 and 1847 and does anyone know what happened to Davy King > >>From a wet and soggy Kent > > Philip > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning all you King followers One of the King family that seems to have been overlooked on some of the lists is Eleanor King, born in Woodchurch on 8th August 1762 her parents were Benjamin King and Elizabeth Rapson. She had 2 children Davy 1783 and Bennet 1785 in 1787 she married John Barden. Her daughter Bennet born in Woodchurch 17 April 1785 had a daughter Harriet born and died in 1804 then married John Ditton on the 19 Oct 1806 and had 9 children, the youngest Sally born in 1823. I believe the family emigrated to the USA via New York and finished up in Lagro Wabash Indiana. ( the Warbash Cannonball came round the mountain doing ninety miles an hour) !!! Do any listers have a passenger list that might show this family probably between 1820 and 1847 and does anyone know what happened to Davy King >From a wet and soggy Kent Philip

Hi Margaret. Have I missed a previous message regarding the name MARSHALL? I am looking for an Isaac MARSHALL, Father of Charlotte born 1820 in Canterbury, Kent, England. I don't have the marriage nor have I found Isaac MARSHALL & his wife Rebecca in a census record. Regards. Anne. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.33/678 - Release Date: 2/9/2007 4:06 PM

Hello Everyone, Just to let you all know, as several have said they would like to know if I get a reply, what my usual practice is when someone contacts me about their family through looking at the website: I either encourage the sender to join the list (as several of you have done!) writing a precis of their interests to introduce themselves or, if they do not wish to join, post a message to the list so that you can reply if you wish. That way, you shouldn't miss it if someone researching your family contacts me. In the past I used to send new contacts directly to people I knew were interested in the same name(s), but this is no longer practicable now that our numbers have increased so much and, besides, I cannot keep up with all the names researched if some people have joined without introducing themselves. best wishes, Josie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Fuller" <sharon@spaced8.plus.com> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] MARSHALL, HICKS Families > If you get a reply Josie pleae pass on as I have Marshalls too. > Sharon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> > To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:22 PM > Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] MARSHALL, HICKS Families > >

If you get a reply Josie pleae pass on as I have Marshalls too. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] MARSHALL, HICKS Families > I received today an enquiry from a lady in California whose name began with a C about four families, including Marshall and Hicks. > Unfortunately the email has vanished into the ether after I read it, and I've no idea of her address. So I'm posting this in case she reads our back postings! > If it's you, please email me again! > best wishes, Josie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >

Hi Martin and All Have just been looking into the King and Samson/Sampson saga with them in the census etc and the disappearance of Martha King (Joseph's wife) and then found this email sitting in by box unread. So looked through it and yes I agree there is no marriage index between Joseph King and Jane Sampson/Samson and no marriage index between Albert King and Adeline Sampson/Samson. The Free BMD is complete around the dates of the 1871/1881/1891 census. Thought I would try and get the birth indexes of Jane's daughters to clarify their actual surname: Adeline SAMSON, 1863, June Q, Tenterden (not on FreeBMD) and Susan SAMSON, 1868, March Q, Tenterden. I also have not found death of Martha King nor in the census. What I do find strange is that seeing Joseph and Jane wanted to get out of Woodchurch and into London, why did Joseph King come back to Woodchurch to be buried in 1898 age 70 - entry Woodchurch online records - also the burial entry states he off Union Workhouse. Thus, appeared he went back into the workhouse between 1891 and 1898, I suppose if claiming for parish relief - the parish where one's born takes on the responsibility and costs of a person - hence he returned to Woodchurch. Wonder where Jane is in the 1901 census ? workhouse? Regards Suzanne King FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon Hendry - East London King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Willcocks" <martinwill2@comcast.net> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] elusive kings > Hi Phillip: > > Have been searching the censuses for Joseph King and Jane, found 1881 > and 1891. In both, Jane is show as b. Woodchurch. Jane is 10 years > younger than Joseph, i.e. 43, 53. Her daughters (in 1881) are Adeline > and Suzan Sampson, aged 17 and 13. I can find no trace of a marriage > between Joseph King and either a Sampson, a Samson, or a Norris between > 1871 when he was in the Tenterden Workhouse, and 1881 when he is shown > with Jane in Camberwell. He is shown as married in 1871 though his > former wife Martha is not in the workhouse, as far as I can see. Just > found - in the workhouse - Jane Samson (unmarried) and children Adeline > and Susan - and in 1851 there is a Jane Samson age 16 b. Woodchurch > living with parents Thomas and Philadelphia at Brook Street in > Woodchurch -could this be her? In 1871 she is 32, with Adeline 7 and > Susan 3. So where is she in 1841 and 1861? > > In 1861 Jane is still at home, age 25, with her parents and siblings, > and there are two granddaughters ages 10 and 2 - hers, or one of her > sisters' perhaps? In 1841, the family is at Diamond House, close to or > in Brook Street, and Jane is 5. > > Also no sign of a Martha King death in the period 1861 to 1871 of > anywhere near the right age (3 years older than Joseph.) > > I suspect this is a classic case of "poor man's divorce." Martha > managed to escape the workhouse, and Joseph hooked up with fellow inmate > Jane, who already had two illegitimate children, so after they got out > of the workhouse went off to live far from Woodchurch where their lack > of marriage certificate would not be noticed! > > I have found the other marriages you mentioned, but not yet confirmed > with census or other information. > > Unfortunately Woodchurch baptisms on the web site only start with 1842, > so a Jane b. 1840-41 does not appear there. > > On another topic, in 1851 William Austen and Sarah A Austen have a > daughter Philly age 2. Philly Austen is a stepchild in the Joseph O > King/Sarah A King family in 1861, confirming this is the Sarah Ann in > question. However, William Austen married in Tenterden Dec 1840 but > there is no Sarah A in the list of brides! But there is a > "Phylydelphia", who may be the source of the daughter's name Philly. He > married again in 1848 to Sarah Ann Wanstall, whose mother is also living > with Joseph O and Sarah A King in 1861. Nice piece of confirmation! > Also seems like Philadelphia must have been a "fad" name in Woodchurch > in the early 1800's, was there a U.S. connection? > > There is a Sarah Ann Wanstall chr. 2 Feb 1834 in Birchington, Kent, d/o > Oliver and Sarah, but she is too young and has the wrong mother! > > On a different track, perhaps, there is a Philadelphia Austen chr. 28 > Oct 1832 in Woodchurch, and a Jane Austen 23 Jan 1842, also one chr. 30 > Jul 1826, all in different families. But William Austen, father of this > Jane, could perhaps be Philadelphia's uncle, as her parents are Robert > and Jane Austen. > > Much sleuthing digs up plenty of interesting stuff, doesn't it? > > Regards > Martin Willcocks > Taylorsville, UT, USA. > > Phillip Whitehead wrote: > >>Suzanne >> >>Correct me if I am wrong but I have Eliza with 3 brothers and a Sister. >>George Bourne King >>Joseph b 1830 m Martha Curtis then Jane Norris >>Lydia b 1823 spinster servant / housekeeper in Rye Sussex >>Stephen b1833 m Esther Rawlings in Clerkenwell London >>No sign of Elizabeth must be the same person ! >>But Eliza had 13 children including Elisa and Elizabeth. How on earth >>does >>an ag lab bring up all those children >>Do you know anything abour Benjamin's parents Joseph and Lydia ? >> >>Philip >>( still sunny) >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> >>To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:40 AM >>Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] elusive kings >> >> >> >> >>>Hi Philip and Martin >>> >>>Thank you all your correspondance and information in the past, most >>>appreciated. Philip, I have Eliza down in her baptism as Elizabeth bap >>>28th >>>Jan 1821 (KFHS CD) but I see that when she married Richard Homewood she >>>is >>>Eliza (Woodchurch Parish Records onlin). Was there an Eliza and an >>>Elizabeth - children of Benjamin and Sophia?? Many thanks. >>> >>>Suzanne King >>> >>>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >>> >>>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >>>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >>>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >>>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada >>>(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) >>>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >>>Hendry - East London >>>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Phillip Whitehead" <brambledown2@ntlworld.com> >>>To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:26 AM >>>Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] elusive kings >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Good morning Martin and Suzanne >>>> >>>>It's 10 am and Kent is bathed in beautiful sunshine there is not a cloud >>>>in >>>>the sky but the ground is white with frost. there's a woodpecker on the >>>>lawn >>>>and doves on the roof, the daffodils are about to bloom . >>>>Thank you Martin for all the gen they have all been duly noted. My main >>>>interest is with G B King's sister Eliza . She married Richard Homewood >>>>. >>>>I >>>>have a couple of generations of their family, if you require details >>>>please >>>>let me know. >>>> >>>>Philip >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Martin Willcocks" <martinwill2@comcast.net> >>>>To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:50 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] elusive kings >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi Philip & Suzanne, >>>>> >>>>>Yes, I will let you know what I find. But logic tells us that the >>>>>mother was the more likely to have died after her daughter in this >>>>>case, >>>>>as George got remarried in 1858, and is known to have had two children >>>>>from this marriage, both deceased at an early age. One of the things >>>>>the GRO is doing is to add the MMN to births before 1911 and the BD to >>>>>deaths for the years before 1856, so we will soon have access to those >>>>>additional pieces of information without having to buy all the >>>>>certificates. Roll on 2008, I'm on a "fixed income"! (I think their >>>>>ulterior motive, if any, is to reduce the number of certificates >>>>>ordered >>>>>for genealogical purposes - it requires a lot of additional staff to >>>>>handle all of this, so thanks to the BBC for WDYTYA prodding so many >>>>>more people into the fray!) >>>>> >>>>>Regards >>>>>Martin Willcocks >>>>>Taylorsville, UT, USA.. >>>>> >>>>>Phillip Whitehead wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi Suzanne >>>>>> >>>>>>Why didn't George Bourne King use his middle name it would life much >>>>>>simpler for us ! >>>>>> >>>>>>Just to clarify regarding Jane King 2 deaths are recorded in >>>>>>Kingston >>>>>>one in march 1853 2a 124 and one in march 1855 2a 135 there is no >>>>>>date >>>>>>of birth on either, so I don't know who died first. >>>>>>If you ever get a copy of a BDM certificate please let me know the >>>>>>result. >>>>>> >>>>>>Philip >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I hope there is a reply to the list as I am interested in the Marshall part of the enquiry Margaret

I received today an enquiry from a lady in California whose name began with a C about four families, including Marshall and Hicks. Unfortunately the email has vanished into the ether after I read it, and I've no idea of her address. So I'm posting this in case she reads our back postings! If it's you, please email me again! best wishes, Josie

Hi Martin and Philip and to all thoses searching the King family of Woodchurch. Ordered some certificates online today and thought I would go the extra mile and ordered marriage certificate of George (Bourne) King to Jane West in 1850 in Kingston, to see who his father is, hopefully that will sort this one out once and for all!! I will let you know when I have the certiifcate and will write it out and send to the mailing list and any of those who may want a copy, let me know and will happily send the certificate to their private addresses. Bye for now Suzanne FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada (Guild of One Name Study - Registered) Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon Hendry - East London King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest

Martin Where did I get the name Norris , All points towards being Samson . Did they meet in the workhouse or before quite Intriguing !! Jane must have had 2 illegitimate children Adeline and Susan. I love the occupation of Josephs son Henry "licensed shoe black" I didn't realise a licence was needed. Like yourself I can't find the marriages or deaths of either Jane or Martha. Thanks for the charts, you've been busy. Philip

Hi all: An interesting addition to the Joseph King (b. 1831) saga, perhaps: In 1871, the Jane Samson family are on page 4 of the Tenterden Workhouse census return, immediately above Joseph King and his family; Jane Samson Inmate Unm F 32 Pauper formerly Dom.Serv. Kent Woodchurch Adeline do. do. F 7 do. Scholar do. Tenterden Susan do. do. F 3 do. Scholar do. do. Joseph King do. Mar M 41 do. Labourer do. Woodchurch Henry do. do. M 9 do. Scholar St. Mary's Walworth Surrey Cripple Amelia do. F 13 do. do do. do. do. Susan do. F 9 do. do. do. do. do Albert do. M 4 do. do. do. do. do. and on the following page, line 6, William King do. M 13 do. Scholar St. mary's, Walworth, Surrey (Ancestry has his age transcribed as 73, but this is probably due to the sloping line added just to the left of the 1 digit. It could be read as 73, but this is inconsistent with "Scholar". Also, William is known from the 1861 census. The ages of some of the other children are off a little as well. Jane, daughter of Thomas and Philadelphia Samson, is another story - she is 5 in 1841, 16 in 1851, 25 in 1861, 32 in 1871, 43 in 1881, and 51 in 1891 - gradually getting younger as she grows older! In 1881, as mentioned above, Joseph and Jane are in Camberwell, stated to be married, and her children Adeline 17 and Susan 13 are listed as Wife's Daur. In 1891, they are living in Bermondsey at Albert's home, and Albert, 25, is Head, Adeline, 27 is Wife, and Joseph listed as Father, 61 and Jane as Mother, 51. Jane, of course , is Adeline's mother, not Albert's. All would be well if I could find a marriage for Jane and Joseph, which I haven't, and a marriage for Albert and Adeline, which I also have not found. Now, even if Jane and Joseph did get married, their children Albert and Adeline would have no consanguinity, so presumably could also be legally married. I haven't found Joseph's first wife Martha (mother of Albert etc.) in the death records between 1861 and 1881, either. Does anyone else have these details? Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA. Phillip Whitehead wrote: >Good morning all >The gospel according to Mr Hunt >Joseph King b 1792 d1873 son of Joseph King and Lydia Barnes married Bethula >Oliver in Woodchurch in 1815--- >Children >Kitty 1826 >Bethula 1828 Sarah 1830 >Joseph Oliver 1834 >Thomas 1836 >Mary 1837 Lydia1841 > >Joseph Oliver married Sarah Ann Austin in Tenterden Dec 1853 >Children >Ann 1854 Woodchurch >Joseph Oliver 1856 W >Charles 1859 W >John Charles 1859 W >Thomas Henry 1860 Tenterden >Henry 1861 T >Sarah 1863 T >Lydia Bethula 1865 T >Martha 1867 T >Albert James 1870 > >Bethula Oliver b1796 Kent d 1854 Woodchorch > > >Philip > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Martin Willcocks" <martinwill2@comcast.net> >To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:29 AM >Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Is it a Transcription Error or Did The >Vicar Misheard > > > > >>Hi Suzanne and all: >> >>The "Obian" could easily be a mistranscription of "Oliver", and he is >>listed in the censuses as Joseph KING with the exception of the 1901 >>where he is Joseph O KING. The 1901 has >> >>Joseph O. King Head M 67 Agricultural Labourer b. Woodchurch, >>Kent >>Sarah A. King Wife F 72 b. Woodchurch. Kent >>George A. King Grandson M 7 b. Tenterden, Kent >>RG13/779/F51/P7/Sched 38 >>Residence: Street, Smallhythe, Tenterden, Kent, Ecclesiastical Parish: >>St. John the Baptist. >> >>In 1891, RG12/897/F20/P7, Sched 44, the family comprises: >>Joseph King Head M M 57 Ag Lab b. Woodchurch, Kent >>Sarah King Wife M F 62 b. Woodchurch, >>Kent >>Albert King Son S M 21 Ag Lab b. Tenterden, Kent >>Lydia Wanstall Mother-in-law Wid F 81 b. Bilsington, Kent >> >>In 1881, at Bunyan Hall, Tenterden (between Pickhill Cottages and >>Pickhill House) >>Joseph King Head M M 47 Farm Lab b. Woodchurch, Kent >>Sarah A. " Wife M F 52 b. Woodchurch, >>Kent >>John C. " Son U M 22 b. Woodchurch, >>Kent >>Thomas H: " Son U M 20 b. Tenterden, Kent >>Lydia B. " Daur U F 16 b. Tenterden, >>Kent >>Martha " Daur U F 14 b. Tenterden, >>Kent >>Albert J. " Son U M 11 b. Tenterden, >>Kent >>RG11/0942/F77/P13 >> >>In 1871, Joseph is at Bunyan Hall, Tenterden with family: >>Joseph King Head M 37 Waggoner Ag Lab b. Woodchurch, Kent >>Sarah Do. Wife F 42 b. >>Woodchurch, Kent >>Joseph Do. Son M 14 Ag. Lab b. >>Woodchurch, Kent >>Charles Do, Son M 12 Scholar b. >>Woodchurch, Kent >>Henery Do. Son M 10 Do. b. >>Tenterden, Kent >>Sarah Do. Daur F 8 Do. b. >>Tenterden, Kent >>Lydia Do. Daur F 6 Do. b. >>Tenterden, Kent >>Martha Do. Daur F 4 b. >>Tenterden, Kent >>Albert Do. Son M 1 b. >>Tenterden, Kent >> >>In 1861, Road leading to Boars Toll Gate, Tenterden, RG6/510/F93/P22: >>King, Joseph O Head Mar M 27 Bailiff b. Woodchurch, Kent >>King, Sarah A Wife Mar F 32 Bailiff's Wife b. Woodchurch, >>Kent >>Austen, Philly Dau-in-law F 17 Scholar b. Tenterden, >>Kent >>King, Ann Dau F 7 Scholar b. >>Woodchurch, Kent >>King, Joseph C. Son M 4 b. Woodchurch, Kent >>King, John L. Son M 2 b. Woodchurch, >>Kent >>King, Thomas H Son M 5m b. Tenterden, Kent >> >>in 1841, >>Joseph King M 50 Ag. Lab Y >>Bethula do. F 45 Y >>Kitty do. F 15 Y >>Bethula do. F 13 Y >>Joseph do. M 8 Y >>Thomas do. M 5 Y >>Mary do. F 2 Y >> >>Haven't found him in 1851 yet. >> >>Though we do have a few clues as to marriage etc. Sarah A. KING has a >>daughter Philly Austen born when she was 15, and a mother Lydia Wanstall >>age 81 in 1891 (b. 1810) and is 19 years younger than her mother. No >>sign of Joseph O. King's marriage but likely to be Sarah A. Austen or >>Sarah A. Wanstall, and probably in Tenterden. Lydia could also be an >>Austen by marriage or a Wanstall, or could have later married a Wanstall. >> >>Other trees sent to me by other listers show him as Joseph Oliver KING, >>so there seems to be a consensus that Obian was probably mistranscribed, >>as Bethula was an OLIVER. >> >>I have Edwyn Dunster KING as an illegitimate son of Mary Ann KING, who >>married Edward BURDEN 19 Jun 1842. She was a daughter of John KING and >>Rebecca PAIN. >> >>Re unable to fit people, >> >>1. Charles Fuller King 1842 s/o Charles and Mary Ann >>2. Ann King 1854 d/o Joseph Oliver and Sarah Ann >>3. Joseph Oliver King 1856 s/o Joseph Oliver and Ann >>4. John Charles King 1859 s/o Joseph Oliver and Sarah Ann >>5. Amelia Elizabeth King 1861 d/o Joseph and Martha >>6. Henry Stephen King 1861s/o Joseph and Martha >>7. Sarah King 1881 d/o Stephen and Sarah >>8. Walter King 1885 s/o Stephen and Sarah >> >>2, 3, and 4 are shown in the censuses above listed so are children of >>Joseph Oliver and Sarah Ann, Joseph Oliver being presumably the same as >>Joseph Obian KING. >> >>Amelia, Henry and several other children are shown with a different >>Joseph L. King in various censuses, including in the Tenterden Workhouse >>in 1871, where Joseph was 41. This Joseph is the son of Benjamin and >>Sophia listed as age 11 in the 1841 census, chr. 25 Jan 1831. Joseph >>and Martha and family are in the 1861 at Village Green, Woodchurch: >>King, Joseph Head Mar M 30 Ag Lab b, Woodchurch, Kent >>King, Martha Wife Mar F 33 b. London, >>Middlesex >>King, Sophia Mother Wid F 80 b. Holden, >>Kent *(findmypast transcript error) >>King, Elizabeth Daur F 8 b. >>London, Middlesex >>King, William Son M 5 b. >>London, Middlesex >>King, Amelia Daur F 3 b. >>London, Middlesex >>King, Henry Son M 9m b. London, >>Middlesex. >>* should be High Halden, Kent. >> >>In 1871 he is listed as: >>Joseph King Inmate Mar M 41 Pauper Labourer b. >>Woodchurch, Kent >>Henry King " M 9 Pauper Scholar >>b. St. Mary's, Ashworth, Surrey Cripple >>Amelia King " F 13 " >>" b. " " >>Susan King " F 9 " " >> b. " " >>Albert King " M 4 " >>" b. " " >> >>At the moment I don't have any reliable information on the others you >>mentioned. >>Will keep in touch if I do. >> >>Regards >>Martin Willcocks >>Taylorsville, UT, USA. >> >>suzanne.king2 wrote: >> >> >> >>>Is anyone able to look in the Woodchurch Parish Records please for what I >>>have a transcription of an Joseph OBIAN King baptised 30th June 1833, son >>>of Joseph and Betholia (Bethula) King, thus is it a mistranscription or >>>did the Vicar misheard. Should it be Joseph OLIVER King?? Most >>>appreciated. Thank you. >>> >>>Suzanne King >>> >>>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >>> >>>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >>>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >>>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >>>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada >>>(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) >>>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >>>Hendry - East London >>>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Dear Josie sadly mine left in !839 Regards Jilda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josie Mackie" <josie.mackie@tesco.net> To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] Exhibition of Local History at WoodchurchSummer 2008 > Dear All 14+ers, > > You may remember that I wrote a few months ago to say that, following our > successful Summer Exhibition last year, we plan to hold another Exhibition > of Woodchurch Local History in the Summer of 2008. We are also planning to > write a pamphlet to accompany the Exhibition. > > This time, instead of having lots of small exhibits, we are planning to > base the whole exhibition around the village as it was at the time of the > 1871 Census, although we will hopefully have a wide range of finding aids > just as we did last time. > > Although it is still 18 months away, there is a lot of organising to be > done and time goes very quickly, so a smallish group has already begun to > collect items and write them up in readiness. > > We would really like your help with this. Nothing too complicated though! > If you have an ancestor or ancestors who featured on the 1871 census, we > would welcome a short write-up (500-600 words max), photos if you have > any, about their job, where they or their family came from if not in > Woodchurch for long, where they went to if they moved on, any family > stories passed down to you, anything really, connected with the person(s). > > Don't worry if you are researching the same family as others on the > mailing list. Different people have different ideas, different ways of > expressing their ideas. All are welcome. > > If you would be willing to help in this way, allowing us to possibly use > the material in the exhibition and/or pamphlet, please send contributions > to me (attachments won't go through the list) and I will pass them on to > my co-exhibitionists! > > Some people got in touch to say they would provide material when the idea > was first proposed.thanks very much. I look forward to receiving your > pieces when you're ready. > > Thanks again for your support.and, of course, we reserve the right to edit > where necessary. > > Best wishes, Josie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Phillip: Have been searching the censuses for Joseph King and Jane, found 1881 and 1891. In both, Jane is show as b. Woodchurch. Jane is 10 years younger than Joseph, i.e. 43, 53. Her daughters (in 1881) are Adeline and Suzan Sampson, aged 17 and 13. I can find no trace of a marriage between Joseph King and either a Sampson, a Samson, or a Norris between 1871 when he was in the Tenterden Workhouse, and 1881 when he is shown with Jane in Camberwell. He is shown as married in 1871 though his former wife Martha is not in the workhouse, as far as I can see. Just found - in the workhouse - Jane Samson (unmarried) and children Adeline and Susan - and in 1851 there is a Jane Samson age 16 b. Woodchurch living with parents Thomas and Philadelphia at Brook Street in Woodchurch -could this be her? In 1871 she is 32, with Adeline 7 and Susan 3. So where is she in 1841 and 1861? In 1861 Jane is still at home, age 25, with her parents and siblings, and there are two granddaughters ages 10 and 2 - hers, or one of her sisters' perhaps? In 1841, the family is at Diamond House, close to or in Brook Street, and Jane is 5. Also no sign of a Martha King death in the period 1861 to 1871 of anywhere near the right age (3 years older than Joseph.) I suspect this is a classic case of "poor man's divorce." Martha managed to escape the workhouse, and Joseph hooked up with fellow inmate Jane, who already had two illegitimate children, so after they got out of the workhouse went off to live far from Woodchurch where their lack of marriage certificate would not be noticed! I have found the other marriages you mentioned, but not yet confirmed with census or other information. Unfortunately Woodchurch baptisms on the web site only start with 1842, so a Jane b. 1840-41 does not appear there. On another topic, in 1851 William Austen and Sarah A Austen have a daughter Philly age 2. Philly Austen is a stepchild in the Joseph O King/Sarah A King family in 1861, confirming this is the Sarah Ann in question. However, William Austen married in Tenterden Dec 1840 but there is no Sarah A in the list of brides! But there is a "Phylydelphia", who may be the source of the daughter's name Philly. He married again in 1848 to Sarah Ann Wanstall, whose mother is also living with Joseph O and Sarah A King in 1861. Nice piece of confirmation! Also seems like Philadelphia must have been a "fad" name in Woodchurch in the early 1800's, was there a U.S. connection? There is a Sarah Ann Wanstall chr. 2 Feb 1834 in Birchington, Kent, d/o Oliver and Sarah, but she is too young and has the wrong mother! On a different track, perhaps, there is a Philadelphia Austen chr. 28 Oct 1832 in Woodchurch, and a Jane Austen 23 Jan 1842, also one chr. 30 Jul 1826, all in different families. But William Austen, father of this Jane, could perhaps be Philadelphia's uncle, as her parents are Robert and Jane Austen. Much sleuthing digs up plenty of interesting stuff, doesn't it? Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA. Phillip Whitehead wrote: >Suzanne > >Correct me if I am wrong but I have Eliza with 3 brothers and a Sister. >George Bourne King >Joseph b 1830 m Martha Curtis then Jane Norris >Lydia b 1823 spinster servant / housekeeper in Rye Sussex >Stephen b1833 m Esther Rawlings in Clerkenwell London >No sign of Elizabeth must be the same person ! >But Eliza had 13 children including Elisa and Elizabeth. How on earth does >an ag lab bring up all those children >Do you know anything abour Benjamin's parents Joseph and Lydia ? > >Philip >( still sunny) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "suzanne.king2" <suzanne.king2@tiscali.co.uk> >To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:40 AM >Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] elusive kings > > > > >>Hi Philip and Martin >> >>Thank you all your correspondance and information in the past, most >>appreciated. Philip, I have Eliza down in her baptism as Elizabeth bap >>28th >>Jan 1821 (KFHS CD) but I see that when she married Richard Homewood she is >>Eliza (Woodchurch Parish Records onlin). Was there an Eliza and an >>Elizabeth - children of Benjamin and Sophia?? Many thanks. >> >>Suzanne King >> >>FAMILY HISTORY NAMES I AM SEARCHING >> >>Bean - Roxeth/Harrow, Middlesex and East London >>Brown - East London and Plymouth, Devon >>Clark - Welwyn, Hertfordshire and Hornsey, Harringey in Middlesex >>Eastcott and variants - England, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada >>(Guild of One Name Study - Registered) >>Frost - Jacobstow, Inwardleigh, Sampford Courtenay and Okehampton, Devon >>Hendry - East London >>King - Woodchurch, Kent, East Sussex and New Forest >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Phillip Whitehead" <brambledown2@ntlworld.com> >>To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:26 AM >>Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] elusive kings >> >> >> >> >>>Good morning Martin and Suzanne >>> >>>It's 10 am and Kent is bathed in beautiful sunshine there is not a cloud >>>in >>>the sky but the ground is white with frost. there's a woodpecker on the >>>lawn >>>and doves on the roof, the daffodils are about to bloom . >>>Thank you Martin for all the gen they have all been duly noted. My main >>>interest is with G B King's sister Eliza . She married Richard Homewood . >>>I >>>have a couple of generations of their family, if you require details >>>please >>>let me know. >>> >>>Philip >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Martin Willcocks" <martinwill2@comcast.net> >>>To: <eng-ken-woodchurch@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:50 PM >>>Subject: Re: [ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH] elusive kings >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Philip & Suzanne, >>>> >>>>Yes, I will let you know what I find. But logic tells us that the >>>>mother was the more likely to have died after her daughter in this case, >>>>as George got remarried in 1858, and is known to have had two children >>>>from this marriage, both deceased at an early age. One of the things >>>>the GRO is doing is to add the MMN to births before 1911 and the BD to >>>>deaths for the years before 1856, so we will soon have access to those >>>>additional pieces of information without having to buy all the >>>>certificates. Roll on 2008, I'm on a "fixed income"! (I think their >>>>ulterior motive, if any, is to reduce the number of certificates ordered >>>>for genealogical purposes - it requires a lot of additional staff to >>>>handle all of this, so thanks to the BBC for WDYTYA prodding so many >>>>more people into the fray!) >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Martin Willcocks >>>>Taylorsville, UT, USA.. >>>> >>>>Phillip Whitehead wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi Suzanne >>>>> >>>>>Why didn't George Bourne King use his middle name it would life much >>>>>simpler for us ! >>>>> >>>>>Just to clarify regarding Jane King 2 deaths are recorded in Kingston >>>>>one in march 1853 2a 124 and one in march 1855 2a 135 there is no date >>>>>of birth on either, so I don't know who died first. >>>>>If you ever get a copy of a BDM certificate please let me know the >>>>>result. >>>>> >>>>>Philip >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-KEN-WOODCHURCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >