Hi Judy I always take what I'm told by family members with a large pinch of salt! On the 1881 census on the LDS site there's a Reuben Wiles, aged 50, bricklayer born St Neots, living in London. He seems too young to have been Catherine's father, but he was living in Islington at one stage as he has a 23 year old daughter who was born there. Was he Catherine's brother perhaps? Have you found any of them in Islington in 1851? This is probably the key census as Catherine should still have been with her parents. What address was George at in 1861 - I have the 1851 London set, but it's not name indexed, so a street is always helpful? The George you found in 1861 appears to have died in Poplar, East London in 1888 as there is a death on FreeBMD in Sept quarter 1888 aged 81 (Reuben also lived in Poplar -per the 1881 census where he has a 9 year old daughter born there). I think George appears in 1881 as George Wilds aged 76, widow, born St Neots, living alone, so that doesn't help! Again though, this George seems too young to have married in 1822. But as I'm sure you know, to nail down her parents once and for all you need her birth/baptism details. As Lin suggested, you could request Huntingdon record office to search for George's baptism details, but I would try to narrow it down via the 1851 census first, as it is possible that George is a complete red herring. The question still remains though, as to why Catherine would have given her father's name as Reuben if he was George! Sorry if this is a bit disjointed! Regards David >From: Judy Mann <familytree91@yahoo.ca> >To: ENG-HUNTINGDON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Reuben or George WILES, St. Neots >Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 02:19:53 -0400 (EDT) > > >Thank you to each one of you who answered my St. Noets Parish Record >question. I understand everyone’s frustration, as it also adds fuel to an >already frustrating situation. > > > >Let me give the situation and maybe someone on the list will have some >light to shed on the subject. > > > >We have a marriage certificate for Catherine WILES and James Thomas GODFREY >married in Islington, London Mar 26, 1862. > > > >Bride’s father is listed as Reuben WILES, bricklayer > > > >The birth of Catherine Wiles is a mystery to us but won’t dwell on it as >it’s a London problem. > > > >Marriage cert. quotes “full age” > >The various census returns from 1861-1901 all state she was born in >Islington between 1841-44 with 1841 turning up most often. > >- no birth found in the Civil Registration birth index – the >search continues > >- thus we don’t know the mother’s name. > > > >James and Catherine’s first child was named James Rueben Godfrey. > > > >We’ve recently been sent a document confirming a marriage in St.Neots. >The sender, a family member is telling us the married couple documented are >the parents of our Catherine WILES. The problem is, the groom’s name is >George and not Reuben. > > > >George Wiles married to Susan Denniss by banns 16 June 1822. > >http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,50985.0.html > > > >We’ve been unable to locate Catherine Wiles on the 1861 census before her >marriage. > >We’ve been unable to locate a Reuben Wiles, on a census from 1861 forward. > >We realize he may have died before 1861. > >No mention of a death for Reuben on Free BMD. > > > >I have taken into consideration that George and Susannah “could” be >Catherine’s grandparents, and her father, Reuben possibly their first >child, and Catherine possibly his first child. > > > >On the 1861 there is a George Wiles born in St. Noets, b. 1807 living in >Islington, with a family however his wife’s name is Elizabeth. (second >wife?) > > > >With the fiche that are available, is there anything that will indicate >that George was George Reuben or Reuben George Wiles? The original >marriage or a baptism record about 1790’s – 1800 give or take? > > > >Any suggestions on this mystery are greatly appreciated. > > > >Thank you > >Judy > > > > >--------------------------------- >Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals >

Hello David, Your thoughts are very much appreciated, thank you very much. I don�t have access to the 1851, so no, I haven�t that information. I would appreciate you looking if you don�t mind please. Here's George from the 1861census RG 9/144 Folio: 54 Page: 15 Parish: St. Mary�s Islington Borough: Finsbury District: St. Stephen�s Mary�s Row 3 George Wiles age 54 ag. Labourer b. St. Neots Elizabeth wife age 52 b. Islington William 18 b. Islington = b. abt.1843 Stephen 15 b. Islington George 13 b. Islington Robert 11 b. Islington Sarah 7 b. Islington I can�t tell you how many hours I�ve spent going through 1861 film, looking for the family. I thought the arrival online might find them hiding. Catherine is not found at the address given on her marriage certificate in March 1862. I�ve asked the same question, if George was Catherine�s father, why is Reuben�s name on her marriage certificate? Also her first son�s name was James Reuben. As for nailing down Catherine�s 1841-44 birth. It isn�t for the lack of trying. I�d have had a birth certificate years ago, if it was straight forward. It�s been an ongoing task for several years. A cousin has been to London and gone through the birth civil registration books with no luck. I�ve recently come in contact with a new-to-me-cousin who has also been trying for longer than I have and in comparing notes we�ve both covered the same bases and re-invented the wheel at the same time. It wasn�t exactly reassuring to either of us. Yet again, parish baptism records for Islington are the stickler. Once again, thank you for the help. Judy David Cooper <cooperda@hotmail.com> wrote:Hi Judy I always take what I'm told by family members with a large pinch of salt! On the 1881 census on the LDS site there's a Reuben Wiles, aged 50, bricklayer born St Neots, living in London. He seems too young to have been Catherine's father, but he was living in Islington at one stage as he has a 23 year old daughter who was born there. Was he Catherine's brother perhaps? Have you found any of them in Islington in 1851? This is probably the key census as Catherine should still have been with her parents. What address was George at in 1861 - I have the 1851 London set, but it's not name indexed, so a street is always helpful? The George you found in 1861 appears to have died in Poplar, East London in 1888 as there is a death on FreeBMD in Sept quarter 1888 aged 81 (Reuben also lived in Poplar -per the 1881 census where he has a 9 year old daughter born there). I think George appears in 1881 as George Wilds aged 76, widow, born St Neots, living alone, so that doesn't help! Again though, this George seems too young to have married in 1822. But as I'm sure you know, to nail down her parents once and for all you need her birth/baptism details. As Lin suggested, you could request Huntingdon record office to search for George's baptism details, but I would try to narrow it down via the 1851 census first, as it is possible that George is a complete red herring. The question still remains though, as to why Catherine would have given her father's name as Reuben if he was George! Sorry if this is a bit disjointed! Regards David >From: Judy Mann >To: ENG-HUNTINGDON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Reuben or George WILES, St. Neots >Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 02:19:53 -0400 (EDT) > > >Thank you to each one of you who answered my St. Noets Parish Record >question. I understand everyone�s frustration, as it also adds fuel to an >already frustrating situation. > > > >Let me give the situation and maybe someone on the list will have some >light to shed on the subject. > > > >We have a marriage certificate for Catherine WILES and James Thomas GODFREY >married in Islington, London Mar 26, 1862. > > > >Bride�s father is listed as Reuben WILES, bricklayer > > > >The birth of Catherine Wiles is a mystery to us but won�t dwell on it as >it�s a London problem. > > > >Marriage cert. quotes �full age� > >The various census returns from 1861-1901 all state she was born in >Islington between 1841-44 with 1841 turning up most often. > >- no birth found in the Civil Registration birth index � the >search continues > >- thus we don�t know the mother�s name. > > > >James and Catherine�s first child was named James Rueben Godfrey. > > > >We�ve recently been sent a document confirming a marriage in St.Neots. >The sender, a family member is telling us the married couple documented are >the parents of our Catherine WILES. The problem is, the groom�s name is >George and not Reuben. > > > >George Wiles married to Susan Denniss by banns 16 June 1822. > >http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,50985.0.html > > > >We�ve been unable to locate Catherine Wiles on the 1861 census before her >marriage. > >We�ve been unable to locate a Reuben Wiles, on a census from 1861 forward. > >We realize he may have died before 1861. > >No mention of a death for Reuben on Free BMD. > > > >I have taken into consideration that George and Susannah �could� be >Catherine�s grandparents, and her father, Reuben possibly their first >child, and Catherine possibly his first child. > > > >On the 1861 there is a George Wiles born in St. Noets, b. 1807 living in >Islington, with a family however his wife�s name is Elizabeth. (second >wife?) > > > >With the fiche that are available, is there anything that will indicate >that George was George Reuben or Reuben George Wiles? The original >marriage or a baptism record about 1790�s � 1800 give or take? > > > >Any suggestions on this mystery are greatly appreciated. > > > >Thank you > >Judy --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals